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“Ms Curran said the decision to source couplers overseas showed Government procurement rules released by Economic Development Minister Steven Joyce in April, and which take effect on October 1, was a ”complete sham, delivering no real benefits”.
“Dunedin North MP David Clark said the Government’s procurement policy was just ”window dressing” and should take into account the ”whole-of-economy costs”, which included the extra tax paid by having people employed in New Zealand. ”
http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/267903/rail-contract-shows-policy-be-sham
Don’t often find myself in complete agreement with both Dunedin Labour MPs on an issue, so thought I’d acknowledge that here. This is how NACT deal with our unemployment and manufacturing crises:
“Bradken [the multinational that leases Hillside] had missed on a contract to supply couplers for KiwiRail’s older wagon fleet, resulting in 64 staff moving to a four-day week”
Even the mislead youth from his own party opposes the GCSB bill, and what does Banksie do?
He says, “They are misinformed, they don’t know what I know because if they knew, they would know.”:-D
Time to give the old man a kick up the backside, Act.
http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/act-campus-opposes-spy-bills-ck-143916
They (ACT on Campus) kicked Botox Banks’ arse over marriage equality…….why when it comes to the spy bills do they take this confused crap (“because if they knew they would know….”), from this screechy caricature of a man ?
Never good to kick people who will be your sole source of on the ground volunteers at the next election.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/07/al-qaeda-conference-call-intercepted-by-u-s-officials-sparked-alerts.html
A dead guy manages the organization ?
And he has conference calls. American Intelligence agencies Now there’s an Oxymoron.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/07/al-qaeda-conference-call-intercepted-by-u-s-officials-sparked-alerts.html
And yes they do say he’s a dead un
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-13-19361-Al-Qaeda-leader-killed-in-NWA-drone-strike
The conference call reference is ridiculous – 083033 – Telecom meet me conference facility, dial in, please enter your pin code – You have been joined to the conference!
Just like regular office folk, this lot!
It’s as if the story tellers are not even trying to sound serious!
That’s about the death of Abu Zaid, not Zawahiri.
Well spotted McFlock, which is why I have not used that particular link, as it refers to taking out the supposed next in line…
This is what you want to read, and the Sibel Edmonds links.
Um – where did the US say that Zawahiri was dead? Injured and “possibly” dead after a strike, sure, but they never said he was definitely dead (unlike Bin Laden). Just they it seemed they’d seriously injured him and he might have been killed (obviously, he recovered from his injuries).
Which makes me look sceptically on any “news” story that says he’s “back from the dead”. It seems to be distorting original statements from the US in order to further an agenda. So what else might they have distorted, I wonder?
Have to agree with you, McFlock, and it only serves to show the charade that the whole lot really is!
Like this garbage from CNN and telegraph, its like an episode of days of our lives the way they write about it!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/8578914/Ayman-al-Zawahiri-the-worlds-most-dangerous-terrorist.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/06/16/al.qaeda.new.leader/index.html
It’s all a charade, with innocent people being maimed and killed around the world, mostly by imperialist fighting the so called, war on terror!
so why bother linking to sites that distort the truth to suit their own agenda? They tell you nothing – garbage in, garbage out..
“A dead guy manages the organization?”
Where has it been reported that al-Zawahiri is dead?
“tribal sources” are perhaps not the most reliable. I can find no other independant confirmation that Ayman al-Zawahiri is a dead-un
http://ceasefiremagazine.co.uk/whistleblower-al-qaeda-chief-u-s-asset/
Alrighty then!
thx Muzza .. what mind-exploding details ! I am amazed Sibel Edmonds has managed to stay alive as US have been trying to silence her for years. Brave and smart woman .. what a story. Long may she remain safe.
No worries,
My default setting is to be cautious about so called whistle blowers, especially those who manage to stay alive, when there are so many that have been disappeared!
Gotta keep some faith though, because not everyone wants to die sitting back with the information they have, without taking it public.
The question is though, can enough people such as this, light a big enough fire under the sheep, before the technological grid becomes unbreakable, permanently!
http://whoar.co.nz/2013/4-things-you-probably-didnt-know-about-crack-americas-most-vilified-drug-comment-ed-my-experiences-in-the-world-of-crack-cocaine/
(excerpt..)
“….i found using crack-cocaine to be the most obsessive/compelling of all the drugs i have used/explored..”
phillip ure..
Related.
“We went looking for the effects of cocaine,” Hurt said. But after a time “we began to ask, ‘Was there something else going on?’ ”
While the cocaine-exposed children and a group of nonexposed controls performed about the same on tests, both groups lagged on developmental and intellectual measures compared to the norm. Hurt and her team began to think the “something else” was poverty
http://articles.philly.com/2013-07-22/news/40709969_1_hallam-hurt-so-called-crack-babies-funded-study
when i said crack was the ‘worst’..i didn’t mean in physical health outcomes..
..for example..heroin/barbiturates and alcohol all take a higher physical toll on the user than does cocaine..
..(had i drunk as much booze as i used narcotics..i would be rheumy-eyed/drooling in a corner..
.seriously..!..booze is the brain-killer..)
..but it is that compulsion to use that was the strongest of any i experienced..
..that led to the labelling as ‘worst’..
..’cos with smack/barbs/booze you have eventually had enough..and you pass out..
..but with crack..you can go at it for days/nights on end..there is no stop button..
..(you go up (and down) like a high-speed lift in a skyscraper..
..and you just all the time want to get back ‘up’ again..
..and that was what frightened me off so effectively..
..you could be sitting there ‘waiting for the pipe’..with yr best friend..and looking at them in pure hatred..
..because they ‘are taking too long’ to pass the pipe back to you…
..(it is one head-fucking drug..)
..when i said it is a monkey on the back..it is actually more of a gorilla..
..with the crackhead becoming a total pawn of the drug..
..but as i say..as for fucking the mind/body from long-term use..
..excess booze is hard to beat..
..phillip ure..
Govt pays NZ$30 mln to smelter owners in a deal that will clear the way for the float of Meridian Energy
http://www.interest.co.nz/news/65787/govt-pays-nz30-mln-smelter-owners-deal-will-clear-way-float-meridian-energy
More welfare!!!
That’s another $30 million additional cost to the people of NZ to sell off their own assets..
Something else for Shearer to rrrreview.
No, something else for Shearer and Labour to repudiate and repeal.
The PRISONER:
Everything is suspicious if you look at it properly, everyone has secrets, no one is without guilt. It’s just we have to work out what it is that they are guilty off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycdZpjq4ykw
And there ‘lies’ the power of surveillance…..The Panopticon, social engineering at it’s finest.
Dare you speak out….. no. 2 has got ya……………………
[lprent: Not related to the post – moved to OpenMike. ]
Cunliffe is willing to be in government with Shearer. Don’t see you criticising that.
[lprent: Perhaps you could point out the “criticism” in the post? I can’t see any. It just asks a question.
A poor attempt at diversion. Moved to OpenMike. Address the post rather than your own strawman construction. ]
D’oh! Has Cunliffe said Peters is “completely and utterly wrong per usual.” Errr….no.
“Key’s comments raise an important question: ‘would Key have in his government a man who is normally “completely and utterly wrong”?’”
It doesn’t stop the majority of people here supporting the Greens.
[lprent: Diversion. Doesn’t address the post – moved to OpenMike. ]
You seem to be suggesting that the majority of people here think the GP is completely and utterly wrong but would still work with them.
When you can’t count past one, you become a majority. And a neoliberal.
For one of the worlds biggest companies .
Using funds for the sale assets to prop up failing policy how much more is the govt going to bribe kiwis to part with what they already own.
Chris Trotter on the upcoming Labour Party conference, and issues likely to arise. He talks about the conflict between caucus and the rank and file, and possible outcomes. Also the party policy platform proposed by the rank and file that will be voted on as binding at the conference, and the problems this presents given the caucus doesn’t support this direction.
Labour believes that social justice means that all people should have equal access to social, economic, cultural, political, and legal spheres regardless of wealth, gender, ethnicity, or social position. Labour says that no matter the circumstances of our birth, we are each accorded equal opportunity to achieve our full potential in life. We believe in more than just equal opportunities—we believe in equality of outcomes.
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/08/07/bitterness-anger-and-deep-deep-division-labour-prepares-for-its-97th-annual-conference/
Labour promises more funding for Plunket. Smart move. As organisations go in NZ, it’s doubtful you could point to one more trusted. Opposing this wouldn’t be tenable. But we might see National gazumping the pledge in next year’s budget.
Yep….
National gives $30 million to one of the world’s largest mining companies Rio Tinto
Labour gives $6 million to Plunket
Get the headline Labour and lay it right next to Rio Tinto
I wonder whether the Speaker would rule out Mr Key being referred to as ‘the Prime Muppet of Nz’?
Food bank manager won’t give parcels to people she thinks are on drugs. Not knows, thinks. Paula Bennett apparently agrees. http://www.northernadvocate.co.nz/news/feisty-rose-weeds-out-drug-users/1976269/
Hey, if sight testing is all that’s required I think John Key is on drugs and should stand down. His skin is grey, he looks tired and there’s even memory lapses to back up my visual assessment.
I’m assuming she means illegal drugs and self-prescribed off-label use of pharmaceuticals, not alcohol or anti-depressants etc.
Mrs Walker challenged Mr Clendon to do what she did and said it was her right to determine recipients of food parcels.
“We struggled to get our money and we have a right to say who gets it and who doesn’t. Who the hell does he think he is? Will he come up here and help us get enough money to feed everyone?”
That is really fucking evil. So poor drug users are now fourth class citizens, even worse than beneficiaries. Why not just brand them and be done with it?
The manager’s attitude seems to be completely at odds with the rest of the operation – which is all about supporting people in need –
http://www.healthpages.co.nz/community-support-services/sexual-abuse-a-rape-support/kaitaia-women-children-fresh-start-support
One look at her photo illustrates the old maxim “There’s nowt as cold as charity.” I sort of almost feel sorry for her, because she’s probably had very little joy in her life. She’s the embodiment of the Presbyterians that Billy Connolly jokes about, who can turn their mouths into assholes at will.
She looks like a fucking nasty old bag. And we leave the provision of social services to people like her.
On the radio news – NZ is the only country in the OECD that does not produce an annual report on the condition of its environment? Did I hear that right – surely I misheard.
We used to do this very sensible thing but it was canned only a few months ago by this government. Why would they do that I wonder?
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Yes, that’s true. The official reporting on the state of our environment has never been great and Labour have been as bad as National Ltd™ in this regard. The Ministry of the Environment was created under David Lange in 1986. Eventually, the Ministry was charged with providing a regular “state of the environment” report, the first published in December 2007. In the lead up to the 2012 report, the Ministry issued a discussion paper backgrounding the need for legislation to be introduced specifically to require the production of such reports to bring New Zealand into line with other OECD countries. In the forward to that report, the then Minister for the Environment, Nick Smith, said . . .
There was exactly zero progress in this proposal to enshrine environmental reporting into New Zealand law. Then, sometime in late 2012, silently and without even telling its own Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment, National Ltd™ cancelled the 2012 report. This fact was dragged out of Amy Adams following a question from the Greens.
Basically, National Ltd™ was watching the compilation of the 2012 report and, without shame, saw exactly how dangerous it would be if New Zealanders were to realise the egregious impact its policies were already having on the environment. What’s worse, the incoming reports noted that the exponential increase, now underway and accelerating, is already beyond any possibility of mitigation for generations to come.
Then Fonterra fucked up, then the China Mail told the world New Zealand’s 100% Pure slogan is a “festering sore” and, guess what, hey presto – suddenly, just today, National Ltd™ realises that the environment is essential to business and it had better do something about it. Well, either that or this latest announcement is just more PR bullshit.
It’s National and thus it’s PR BS. They won’t do anything to protect the environment because that reduces profits.
The most dangerous thing to life in this country is the National Party.
+1 googolplex, should be a front page article
We did have a program that would have reported every five years but National scrapped it.
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Yep, one report was presented in 2007 and the December 2012 report was cancelled months before it was due to be released. If Nick Smith had kept to his word in that 2011 discussion document, National Ltd™ would not have been able to secretly cancel the report and, indeed, the five yearly regime.
Hmmmm . . . Having had a wee re-read of some of this material, I’m wondering now when National Ltd™ cancelled the 2012 report. Given its rip-shit-and-bust agenda, its not surprising the Ministry for the Environment was National Ltd™’s first target. It was effectively sidelined with John Key’s imitation of his US betters with the formation of the EPA – stacked full of National Ltd™ cronies, of course. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if the report was cancelled early on but we only became aware of it when the Greens chased it up????
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/06/new-zealand-environment_n_3710859.html
This is seriously bad!
Have I just not noticed it before, or has Stuff added 2 new sections to the bottom of its home page?
They are: NZ Farmer and
Science.
Today, the Science section has an interesting article on global warming.
A DIPLOMATIC SULK
Looks like Obama has thrown his toys out of his cot over Putin’s decisions to grant Edward Snowden asylum, at least for the time being. A meeting between Putin and Obama has been cancelled. All this on account of someone the Pres wrote off as a 30 year old hacker of no consequence. I’d say actions speak louder than words. If only Snowden had elected to come to New Zealand, he’d be tucked up safe and sound in a US dungeon right now:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/07/obama-putin-talks-canceled-snowden
Considering who Snowden worked for and the access he had to information I’m pretty sure he knew that which is why he went the other way.
rebounding after sharp decreases in the first half of 2011 linked to the La Nina weather pattern.
Thats an incorrect statement ( or poorly posed ) MSL rises during the La Nina phase and decreases during El nino similarly during the negative phase (positive) of the inter decadal pacific oscillation
(FYI – the GCSB Bill is being debated (Committee Stage) again today).
8 August 2013
‘Open Letter’ from Auckland Mayoral candidate Penny Bright to National MP for Auckland Central Nikki Kaye – a further 385 signatures opposing the GCSB Bill:
Nikki Kaye
National MP for Auckland Central
Dear Nikki,
I attempted to fax copies of these petition forms this morning. but with limited success.
Here are scanned copies of 385 further signatures of those who signed the following petition:
To National Party Member of Parliament for Auckland Central, Nikki Kaye :
“The will of the people is the basis of the authority of Government.”
We, the undersigned, call upon YOU, as an MP, to defend the lawful human
rights of New Zealanders to privacy, freedom of association and freedom of
expression – that is – to oppose arbitrary search and surveillance by the
State over citizens.
If YOU, as an MP, vote for this GCSB Bill, which will allow widespread spying
on New Zealanders, we, the undersigned hereby PLEDGE to campaign against
your re-election in 2014, and to encourage our families, neighbours and workmates
to do the same.
______________________________________________________________________________
Please be advised that there were only two of us, ( myself and Jacquelyne Taylor) collecting signatures yesterday, outside Auckland University, between 1 – 3.30pm, so 385 signatures is arguably a significant number in a comparatively short time, which is indicative of the public concern over this matter.
As you are no doubt aware, (and this is meant in a respectful way), the total number of signatures of people who have pledged to campaign against you (now 885) if you continue to support this GCSB Bill, is more than your winning margin of votes cast in the 2011 election?
http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2011/electoratestatus.html
Electorate Result Winning Candidate 2nd Place Margin
Auckland Central 100.0% KAYE, Nikki (NAT) ARDERN, Jacinda (LAB) 717
Nikki, please do not underestimate the growing concern, and numbers of citizens who do NOT agree with the State giving the power to the GCSB to spy on New Zealanders?
There were times yesterday, when people were literally queuing up to sign this petition.
Nikki, please do the decent thing, and do NOT support this GCSB Bill.
I realise that you have been very busy with the Fonterra matter, but my full response to your reply to the first 500+ signatures on this above-mentioned petition is available here:
http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz
Hopefully, you will have found time to read it, before the GCSB Bill is further debated today, because I have put some time into addressing the points you have raised, in support of this legislation.
Kind regards,
Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation’ campaigner
2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate
+1 Penny…you are a gem!
http://www.odt.co.nz/news/galleries/gallery/your-town/140238/reader-photos-cloud-formation-over-dunedin
Have to assume use of the word cloud, was purely out of ignorance!
nothing since 2010 to feed your chemtrail delusion, then? That means they’re just getting better at hiding their activities… /sarc
Actually, I assumed you would be the one to respond, so thanks, because I have a question.
In your opinion, which direction is the trail heading?
If I had to hazard a guess, I’d call from northish to southish.
There’s a heavy South America flight that follows that rough direction over Dunedin, and I assume the Deep Freeze aircraft do, as well.
Northish-Southish – How would that header relate to the South American flight, which fyi, is nowhere near NZ at 930am anyway, even if it was, the trail would be east-west.
That’s what I was after anyway, a local opinion, which is why posted it, as I figured you would respond.
Cheers
You are aware that the world is roughly spherical, right? What affect might that have on flight paths, do you think?
Very little, when talking about the flight paths from from South America in context of passing over Dunedin, as they head towards their destination in Australia.
Otherwise what you say is relevant, but still your contention it needs to be overlaid against the geography of a relatively static reference point, in this case Dunedin, with the variable being the flights path. Makes it very difficult to leave a northish-southish trail, McFlock.
Wrong.
And that’s not including a direct flight to Antarctica, of course.
When was your chemtrail photographed? December?
Occam’s Razor can be a bitch.
Do you know what a falcon is, McFlock, cos that ones hit you, right in the face!
Why is it a falcon, muz?
Ah, so because it might have been a military flight, it must have been spraying chemtrails? Moron.
I doubt muzza’s a league man TRP.
Good call Joe!
For mine, its a c17 heading to the ice. And the height may be an optical illusion, ;a big vapour trail from a big plane. Google globemaster, image. Lots of similar shots.
@ Voice – Perhaps I didn’t make it obvious enough to McFlock – on his comment referenced below.
There is no commercial flights from South America which would leave a trail on that header/direction, which was the message I was attempting to convey, McFlock went off into examples and links about military flights to Antarctica – I thought it was obvious my comments were referring to commercial flights, as they head towards their destination in Australia!
Anyway, I gave him a falcon for missing what I believed to be fairly clear in the comments that it was commercial, not military I was talking to, but I see below, he has again jumped on the military angle, McFlock, re-read the comments above fella!
@ J90 – Wrong, thus Voice, you have backed the wrong horse there, although you might well be correct about the flight, who knows. The only certainty is that it was not left by a commercial flight from South America, to anywhere!
Well you’ve just been shown that there is an airline flight route that can roughly approximate that heading, especially if winds are taken into account, even if you think that the earth is flat.
But even if there weren’t, what’s your fucking point in recycling a two and a half year old photo of the sky?
Soot.
Direct effect (contrail-cirrus). Linear and spreading contrails, initially formed from exhaust water vapor and particles, constitute and additional cloud type and enhance cirrus cloud coverage. Initial contrail occurrence relies on well understood thermodynamic principles, initial contrail properties depend on soot and sulfur emissions and near-field exhaust (jet/vortex) dynamics. The spreading process of persistent contrails is controlled by wind shear and relative humidity. Contrail-cirrus are advected with the wind field over large distances, even into regions without significant air traffic. The direct effect is largest in regions without background cirrus.
http://www.pa.op.dlr.de/pazi/
I could never work out why the flights home from South America went down to the bottom of the map and then did a right turn to head back up into the Pacific and approach Dunedin from the East. Are you saying Mercator’s projection shouldn’t be taken literally?
Apparently not.
Indeed
http://gc.kls2.com/faq.html
Lots of jet stream use too.
http://www.aviator.edu/129/section.aspx/59/principles-of-HYPERLINK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Greatcircle_Jetstream_routes.svg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_circle
I always flew into Auckland, so they probably went a bit closer, but any large planes over Dunedin are probably Deep Freeze anyway.
I think there was one a few months ago that drew similar comment – that one was definitely a flight from south america. Must have been under Muzzas radar, though.
http://cloudappreciationsociety.org/jan07-cloud-of-the-month/
Draco, I would have given you more credit than that – Whats the name they giving those rainbow clouds, you know, the ones which never existed until recently, and which have the appearance of an oil slick?
I dunno, muzzocumulus?
muzzonimbuslenticularus. Howz that. 😛
A circumhorizontal or infralateral arc, and we have descriptions of them going back at least to medieval times. Dick.
Twaddle.
Whatever. I was refering to poor paranoid Muzza’s rainbow clouds, not contrails.
https://sylverblaque.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/medieval-nuremberg-ufo-battle1.jpg?w=584
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:V%C3%A4dersoltavlan_cropped.JPG
And a further check reveals the phenomenon described in Apuleius (c. 125 – c. 180 C.E.) Apologia XV
Muzza could also be meaning these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noctilucent_cloud
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nacreous_cloud
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_iridescence
One interesting thing about science, is that the more we learn about the world, the more stuff we discover that apparently “never happened before”, when actually it did, just no one wrote about it or noticed it.
In the case of rainbow coloured clouds, I suspect the widespread availability of coloured cameras, coupled with greater populations of people living in areas (polar regions for the first 2 above) where these things are more likely to happen than any previous time in history, leads to muzza’s mistaken claim that these clouds “never existed until recently”.
“Whats the name they giving those rainbow clouds, you know, the ones which never existed until recently, and which have the appearance of an oil slick?”
Or the appearance of light being refracted by water droplets.
Sorry – I mean ice crystals. Not droplets.
Anyway, it has a name. It’s called a Circumhorizontal Arc.
It’s a contrail dissipating in the upper atmosphere.
Reminds me of the crap about flying saucers off the Kaikoura Coast in the 1970s. The Met Service made it clear what it was – lights from a group of Japanese fishing vessels at the surface being reflected by an anticyclonic inversion layer at around 1500/2000ft – but the media of the day including an overseas contingent ignored them. The truth was too boring and non sensational.
Hi Anne, yes the met office, quite!
In any case, no it’s not a contrail, and its not in the upper atmosphere!
Here you go, some reading.
http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/8/1689/2008/acp-8-1689-2008.pdf
Strewth… I’m not arguing against that lot muzza but I still think it’s a contrail. Watched them forming at around 25,000 ft plus. You can’t actually see the plane but you can tell its whereabouts by the slow and regular lengthening of the contrail. That’s exactly what they look like 10 to 20 minutes after their formation.
Btw. I have to concede one point. From the photo it doesn’t look that high I must admit – 15000 ft maybe?
Hi Anne, wasn’t looking for an argument, or for you to provide one.
One of the links salient points is that very precise sets of met conditions are required, to create a trail of any sort, let alone the long, and horizon to horizon type trails, followed by a widening effect.
These types of trails required impossibly precise conditions in the troposphere, referred to as super-saturation over ice. Despite these rarified requirements, persistent trails are being recored, around the globe at ever accelerating velocity!
Have a good evening.
Edit – Just saw your BTW comment – The trail in the pics is very low, which is where the discussion about the precise met conditions requirements, comes into play. Such conditions to create so called persistent trails (super-saturation over ice), could not exist at that height, to support the trail as shown in those pics.
Hi Anne, wasn’t looking for an argument, or for you to provide one.
No, I wasn’t either. Went back to check the photo and noted it appeared unusually low. Hence the later edit. Interesting phenomenon. I wonder if a NIWA or Met Service scientist has commented.
Btw: Twaddle referred to Pop1. He’s talking through a hole in his head.
And here is some reading for you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail
I slept one night on the beach at Kaikoura during that. My girlfriend from the time remembers seeing the lights. I don’t. She went on to become an alchemist. I am a physicist. Funny old world.
Murray O and Morrissey
Thanks for giving me the info on the book I had been looking for. You correctly named Stick out, Keep Left by Margaret Thorn as being the one I wanted. I actually went on to Abe NZ
and got it. It’s very good. Very humbling how passionate and committed she and her husband were – we owe these older people who shaped Labour so much. It would be a shame to drift back to the old system, to lose most of it, but it’s not impossible that could happen. I thought I’d put a few paragraphs in from time to time, just to keep the vision before us.
If the Government doesn’t back down on this bloody stupid only 3 snapper for non-commercial fishers they’ll be well fucked even granted labour being useless.
I’d support a cut to 8 snapper, with a closed season during spawning, and a lot more enforcement of the commercial rules. I saw a lot of rubbish when I used to go out fishing a lot, including upgrading and trawling straight through spawning grounds. One time we watched a large trawler drag its nets from just off Whangaparoa down to and through the Rakino Channel, at the height of the spawning season. We got its number and reported it to an inspector at the Orakei ramp when we got back. He was less than interested and said that, even though what they were doing was illegal, he couldn’t do anything unless we had video evidence.
I feel a bit sick after this when I see young Maori or Pasifika shown on tv for grabbing a few paua. Just like with any crime, it seems that making it big enough gets you immunity. Doing it while brown and on a small scale gets you prison.
Quite a few of my family have already been limiting the catch they take. It’s not the limiting the catch that pisses them off, it’s the fact that the commercial operations haven’t been limited as well. They’re recognising it as a move to maintain/protect commercial fishing rather than to protect the fish.
I’m agreeing with you 🙂
Sometimes I agree with other people, just to see what it feels like.
There is simply no way the personal take (‘recreational’ is a bullshit phrase) should be cut before the commercial. It’s as disgusting as mining in schedule 4.
Too many governments see the resource as only being worth something if it is being sold. That’s fucking stupid. All fishers use the resource and there is no rational reason to say that those who use it for consumption should have to pay those who use it to sell, or have their rights to it diminished in favour of those who are only seeking to turn a profit.
Reserve Bank and Treasury staff seen giving birth to kittens on The Terrace:
Bank of England Governor Mark Carney bets the bank: Revolutionary plan to target joblessness
(It should be noted that his target of reducing unemployment to 7% is still above the 6% rate that the incomparibly evil Bill Phillips said was the ideal level to prevent inflation)
Radionz piece. Scientists up in arms. Sir Paul Callaghan left a business when he died that has a leading place in the world in lenses for telescopes? They have cancelled a contract saying that it was risky and had too tight schedules.
Can’t NZ manage to do anything right twice? Anyhow signing contracts with unreasonably short completion times is fairly frequent from what I hear. World pressure is on to be competitive. But even if you’re near the top of the industry you can’t sign up and then reneg or you get a bad name.
I remember a book about one of the first Japanese business men to start a business in industry after World War 2. Went to USA and overcome language barrier, started a whole new trend making motor scooters and went on to be a world industry. If we want to develop something else besides traditional animal husbandry and agriculture we can’t afford to be so laissez faire, which in NZ parlance is she’ll be right.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint
Scientists upset lenses contract pulled ( 2′ 24″ )
18:40 The Association of Scientists says it beggars belief that a Crown agency has
pulled the plug on a multimillion dollar international contract for telescope lenses.
That makes me sick to my stomach, Rt. We have some of the world’s best optical scientists, most of whom are working overseas because of the tall poppy syndrome, among other reasons. These guys have identified a market and are playing to their strengths, only to have some politically appointed seat warmers sabotage it for them. There is only so much people will accept in their careers before they take the opportunities available overseas. And then the country is left with the million dollar executives of Fonterra ballsing up one of the few things the government will back, or Shane Jones and his slave fisheries getting us locked out of other markets. Why are those who rule over us so bloody hopeless?
Murray O
(See my recent comment to you.
Why do these jerks… I think the Peter Principle. And being good talkers. We seem to be mesmerised by good talkers. I think many of us are a little inarticulate and I have noticed that we can be galvanised by someone with vitality, confidence and a loud voice.. Into the valley ..ride the 4 million!
And seat warmers. There is some sort of reserved place in employment heaven that chaps and busy business ladies get to and it takes a lot of bad karma for them to get taken down a peg or two.
I remember getting this feeling when Jim Salinger got his hand slapped and I didn’t think for anything important except for giving an opinion free on ‘the possible weather’ which was no longer okay because it was all to be charged for. Run by a seat warmer.
But of course there is this generic management idea. As if each type of business hasn’t its own set of strengths and problems and it helps to have some depth of experience in the field you are managing. My favourite is putting a manager into the social welfare who used to manage a seaport. He probably wished he could put them all on a Slow Boat to China.
Scientists gobsmacked by funding withdrawal
Stopped from signing, not cancelling/breaking the contract.
Still, it really was a stupid decision.
Regardless of the legalese, no money. That’s death to a new venture.
ruhroh
Meridian sale looks more and more reckless:
http://t.co/ReNkynGkOg
Oxymoron anyone think?
Minister and mayor say approvals for mine taking too long ( 3′ 17″ )
18:12 The Conservation Minister and the Buller District mayor say it’s taking too long
for a West Coast open cast coal mine to get the all clear from authorities.
Conditional go-ahead for Denniston Plateau mine ( 4′ 47″ )
17:46 Bathurst Resources expects to be coal mining on the Denniston Plateau by the
end of the year after winning conditional go-ahead from the Environment Court.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint
Sorry, It’s Not A ‘Law Of Capitalism’ That You Pay Your Employees As Little As Possible
The greed of the few is destroying even the consumerist economy that the politicians and the economists have lauded for the last few decades.
it is eating itself
A New Zealand hero
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/9018548/Surfer-Byrne-dies-after-motorcycle-accident
salute
Took me right to the bottom of that article to find something that he did that might actually be considered beneficent. Most of it just went on about his sporting achievements which is, IMO, rather mundane.
Yes not a hero of the valiant battlefield invent penicillin kind, a hero of the live the dream push your own boundaries someone to look up to kind.
Shows everything that’s wrong with Kiwi mainstream values – sports – man vs wild.
not doing anything actually of social value, or to benefit the common good.
he live the dream push your own boundaries someone to look up to kind.
Sounds very libertarianz
Sheesh Karol, that’s off the planet ……………… and shows everything that’s wrong with leftwing mainstream values – land rights for gay whales. No wonder commentary from the right lampoons your way of viewing the world and your way of lumping everybody’s choice of life together. Get a life.
Actually, you show everything that’s wrong with mainstream values – always looking to sporting heroes, which is what got him the MSM attention, and most of the coverage in the article as DTB says.
Anyone who is doing these things, as mentioned ny joe90:
clean water projects, anti-malaria work, vaccination projects, tsunami aid, earthquake aid in the west of the Indonesian archipelago
Yep. Doing things of value.
But there’s a lot of people doing such things who never get MSM attention – so not so much a great Kiwi hero, as a Kiwi showing some good citizenship.
and you show everything that is wrong with leftwing bigots.
Sports man, P3 navigator, family man, artisan, innovator, employer, clean water projects, anti-malaria work, vaccination projects, tsunami aid, earthquake aid in the west of the Indonesian archipelago so yeah, nothing actually of social value, or to benefit the common good.
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Thanks joe90, I was only aware of some of those things. But yep, add those things you have listed together with his surfing and the way he went about life and you get a true New Zealand hero, in the sense I meant (tho didn’t explain perhaps).
He was someone I looked up to – surf-wise and life-wise
Indeed vto, a thoroughly decent man who walked the talk in his own quiet way.
btw, one of my nephews is spending the season in Indonesia and following a cut throat sponsorship drive he left with ten of these.
mmm, the warm waters of indo. I try not to think of such when paddling out into the cooler waters of the south island.
Those filters look like life-savers in those environs.
Last time he was away it was mosquito nets vto but the self serving surfing yoof of today have damn sight better social consciences than I ever had.
The only things he was mentioned for in the article was his surfing and the fact that he made better surfboards. Most people reading that article would have have NFI who he was and so, by reading that article, would have the understanding that he became a “hero” for surfing. Nothing, IMO, good enough to get a mention in a newspaper article.
“Nothing, IMO, good enough to get a mention in a newspaper article”
Draco, you are not thinking. Most people would imagine that reaching the top position not just nationally but internationally (and which no other New Zealanders ever had before in this realm) in their chosen ‘sport’ is entirely good enough to get a mention in a newspaper article. Don’t you think that would be why newspapers do it? Because that is what the most people want to read? Your opinion may well be that that is not good enough for a newspaper mention – few would agree with you.
The hero piece was clearly my opinion. Heroism is, again if you think about it, subjective. You will note that the original post did not hype it up – I kept it simple and short, in keeping. There are a lot of people I consider my heroes, for many different reasons and in many realms. Some are business heroes, some are good people heroes, some are save the world heroes, ….
It seems that you and Karol save hero status for only the very most exceptional of people.
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