Open mike 12/09/2023

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  1. Bearded Git 1
    12 September 2023 at 6:15 am

    This is the latest Newshub Reid poll released yesterday:

    • National: 40.9 percent, up 4.3 points (53 seats)
    • Labour: 26.8 percent, down 5.5 points (34 seats)
    • Greens: 12.3 percent, up 2.7 points (16 seats)
    • ACT: 10.1 percent, down 2 points (13 seats)
    • Te Pāti Māori: 3.1 percent, up 0.4 points (4 seats)
    • NZ First: 4.6 percent, up 0.5 points
    • TOP: 0.7 percent, down 0.8 points

    I'm not sure who writes the RNZ headlines but Labour and the Greens have been "left in the dust" according to their news reports this morning.

    In fact Lab/Gr/TPM 42.2% versus Nat/ACT 51.0% is nowhere near as bad as described by RNZ.

    Of interest is Hipkins going UP 6.6% in the preferred PM stakes and Seymour dropping 3.9%.

    Also this is the fourth poll I have seen where the Greens have beaten ACT, who seem to be in freefall.

    This poll doesn't take into account Luxon's dire performance when interviewed on Sunday by Jack Tame nor Seymour's loony "we will not give National supply" utterances yesterday.

    The rumour is that the 20% of people who have not yet made up their mind mostly voted Labour last time. All is not lost.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/497780/labour-drops-5-point-5-points-in-latest-newshub-reid-research-poll

    • Tiger Mountain 1.2
      12 September 2023 at 7:12 am

      There will be some sore heads on October 15 if the dirty Natzos and filthy Act are able to assume office due to revenge voting (“what have I done”….). Of course that will be just part of the story, renter transience, homelessness and the degradation of NZ Post into basically a courier service, alienation, low profile of non published roll, new gen and Māori roll turnout, will all play their part. As will have Labour’s timidity on a wealth tax recommended by Robbo and David Parker following a clear lead from IRD.

      It is a strange time indeed when undecideds may decide the fate of the rest of us. NActFirst have laid it out rather clearly what will be lost for the majority and how Capital and Finance Capital will benefit if NZ Labour and Green’s multiple incremental reforms are trashed by would be vandals Seymour and Baldrick.

      VI Lenin posited that Parliamentary elections are an exam on the level of working class political understanding. But I guess NZ has such a high quotient of petit bourgeoisie, self employed, and aspirationals–as many decades of elections have demonstrated, that a class analysis makes little odds to the “me me me’s”.

      I’ll still be campaigning for a Labour/Green/Te Pāti Māori Govt. in various ways and it is definitely not over yet.

      • PsyclingLeft.Always 1.2.1
        12 September 2023 at 8:19 am

        due to revenge voting

        Yea I cannot fathom the reasoning behind that ! Its such a small minded action. I know I personally will be worse off, if NActFirst get their claws on NZ. But I absolutely think of all the many thousands of others…like me..or even worse off.

        I’ll still be campaigning for a Labour/Green/Te Pāti Māori Govt. in various ways and it is definitely not over yet.

        You are so on to it…

        • Tiger Mountain 1.2.1.1
          12 September 2023 at 9:11 am

          Networks, online, local markets and media channels, and signs on our corner site with reasonable vehicle movement numbers.

          2017 it was Andrew Little then signs changed to Jacinda, 2020 Jacinda, partner worked for an NZLP affiliated union so I agreed to that signage. 2023 it is TPM and Green as she has retired and supports CGT and Wealth Tax!

  2. joe90 2
    12 September 2023 at 8:34 am

    VUW law prof; Rimmer's in front of his skis.

    Geoff McLay

    @GeoffMcLay1

    Hmm as ⁦ @drdeanknight is away does it fall to me to point that under our constitutional system supply is confidence? If you can’t guarantee you can pay to govern you can’t govern!

    https://twitter.com/GeoffMcLay1/status/1701045832806728152

  3. Patricia Bremner 3
    12 September 2023 at 9:36 am

    Jenner Lynch Newshub Editorsurprise So that gives me pause.

    They(the press) say Talbot Mills is favourable to the Left.

    I say this Newshub Reid Mills Poll is an outlier for the Right, cementing in the Newshub theme of the Right are winners.

    Keep hopeful Labour as we are fighting for the undecided 20%.

    So far they are not convinced by Lux and Willis.

    Labour need to present our cheerful hardworking crew and consider other alignments with the Greens and Te Maori Party which show solidarity of purpose.smiley

    Don't believe all the presented hype, stand tall for our beliefs.

  4. Patricia Bremner 4
    12 September 2023 at 9:42 am

    Sorry Mods, I added the 20% and now I have two comments , the second is the actual finished one.

      • Tiger Mountain 5.1.1
        12 September 2023 at 10:44 am

        Well Mathew Hooton may not be wrong, but what is his motive for this knifing one may wonder?

        First time I heard Luxury Luxon on RNZ before he officially became leader, he was asked a welfare related question regarding solo parents and benefit abatement rates and gave a reasonable but totally non National response–he likely got a good slapping when he got back to the office.

      • AB 5.1.2
        12 September 2023 at 10:44 am

        Why has it taken Hoots so long? It was pretty obvious to me about 30 seconds after I first heard Luxon open his mouth around 2 years ago. And I do imagine that someone is paying Hooton well for making so many enemies. (And what Weka said at 4.2.1)

        • observer 5.1.2.1
          12 September 2023 at 1:26 pm

          Ultimately it doesn't matter much what motivates Hooton, he's always been in love with the sound of his own voice. But elections are not about voting for commentators to govern us.

          What does matter is the character and competence of the man who wants to be PM. On that score Matthew's assessment is sadly accurate. Luxon is emptiness personified: "Let me be clear, what I'm saying to you is … (nothing)".

          I've asked since he became leader: what is it we are supposed to respect? The answer is always the same: "But Labour bad, but Labour bad!". Which speaks volumes.

          Nobody – not even fervent Nats – can ever come up with anything else in his favour. Open invitation for anyone to do so here – without talking about his opponents, or polls, or any other non-answer – just him.

          Expect tumbleweed.

          • Incognito 5.1.2.1.1
            12 September 2023 at 1:30 pm

            Roll him now or roll him soon.

            • observer 5.1.2.1.1.1
              12 September 2023 at 1:38 pm

              There is zero chance that he would last a term as PM. National are driven by one thing: get re-elected. So he's a goner, win or lose.

              • Incognito …
                12 September 2023 at 2:31 pm

                If he does somehow manage to negotiate a deal with ACT and possibly NZF and become PM he won’t handle the pressure of running Government and actually deal with the many issues that will need his attention. He’ll be a complete shambles as PM and Minister.

                He’ll want to add it to his CV and add I-used-to-run-a-countrty, next to I-used-to-run-an-airline. He’s no different from John Key in this respect.

                I think he’ll be rolled by Christmas, one way or another.

    • Bearded Git 5.2
      12 September 2023 at 10:21 am

      Blimey that was an interesting read. Hooton thinks Luxon is a complete idiot.

      • weka 5.2.1
        12 September 2023 at 10:43 am

        let's not forget that Hooton's job is to garner votes in the interests of the ruling classes. In this case, my guess is they want more votes going to ACT than Nat.

        • weka 5.2.1.1
          12 September 2023 at 10:44 am

          he's also running the perennial bullshit lines about the Greens and Nat.

        • Bearded Git 5.2.1.2
          12 September 2023 at 11:28 am

          True Hooton always has a hidden agenda when he says anything. His comments on Jacinda in the article are, frankly, insulting.

          • Tiger Mountain 5.2.1.2.1
            12 September 2023 at 11:53 am

            Yep, Mathew is a jumped up chancer, always with a “game changer” plan. Jacinda is way beyond what he ascribes to her.

            • tc 5.2.1.2.1.1
              12 September 2023 at 12:31 pm

              Matthew 'team muller' Hooten folks. Worth remembering as he used his soapbox very effectively for that.

              Didn’t work out for him and is now back doing what he does best.

  6. Tiger Mountain 6
    12 September 2023 at 10:10 am

    Always worth recalling… 50th anniversary of Allende coup.
    https://jacobin.com/2023/09/salvador-allende-chile-coup-fiftieth-anniversary-politics-socialism-anti-imperialism-legacy-memory?mc_cid=aa0621c01d&mc_eid=5a2883fd7c

    There was ultimately an NZ connection too, several hundred Chilean exiles made their way to NZ as the 70s ran on, some starting printing businesses, restaurants and musical groups. I had the fortune through political networks to meet some of them and assist in various ways. The Chilean exiles always showed up when torture ship Esmeralda came to these shores. A colleague of mine was actually in Santiago for academic reasons during the coup. And…the Natzos union busting 1991 Employment Contracts Act was based in part on Chilean Labour law from Pinochet’s first Labor Secretary–José Piñera.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/José_Piñera

    Leftists all had their own take on what should have and could have happened re the attack on the Presidential Palace and the long right wing destabilisation campaign. But none the less it was US Imperialism’s effort to warn the rest of Latin America not to go socialist.

    • Bearded Git 8.1
      12 September 2023 at 1:49 pm

      So NZ no longer in recession (which it never was really) with growth of 1.3% to year end June 2024.

      Fitch, Standard and Poor's and Moody's still love us.

      It's all a pretty good effort given the massive cost of Covid and the cyclones that hit Auckland and the East Cape and Hawke's Bay.

      (The current account deficit, at 6.6% of GDP, still looks a bit rough though.)

    • AB 8.2
      12 September 2023 at 6:53 pm

      “National must be spewing”

      They wheeled out the same attack cliches they would have used whatever the PREFU said: i.e., that Grant Robertson would go down as the worst Finance Minister ever, that it was economic mismanagement on a scale never seen before, that Robertson had been spraying the money hose around.

      No-one asked Luxon on the basis of what historical data had he made that characterisation of Robertson. No-one (save Tame last Sunday) would have stopped him babbling out his usual evasions in response to that question, no-one would have asked him to withdraw his assertion as he had no data, etc. Lying and catastrophising with impunity.

  9. PsyclingLeft.Always 9
    12 September 2023 at 2:21 pm

    Far right loser Kyle Chapman charged with the unlawful possession of firearms and ammunition.

    Court documents seen by The New Zealand Herald allege that Chapman, listed as a driver, was unlawfully in possession of a prohibited firearm, a Norinco NHM 90 Sporter Rifle.

    those who know about….or dont..this is all a real worry. (Norinco NHM 90 kinda similar to AK 47 ? ! )

    I was also boggled, seeing this name…connectivity?

    Lawyer Sue Grey told the Herald: “Kyle rang me for Bill of Rights advice after he was arrested on Friday. I understand he was given bail when his case was called in the Christchurch District Court, where he was assisted by a duty solicitor.”

    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/christchurch-far-right-activist-facing-firearm-charges

  10. observer 10
    12 September 2023 at 3:51 pm

    I realize that trivial matters like health are not as important as opinion polls [/sarc], but in Luxon's PREFU press conference just now (available soon as links in usual media) he was repeatedly asked about Nationals' Big Lie (my description, not the reporters').

    He's been coached to repeat the line "we will spend more on health". If you've seen/heard any Luxon interviews in recent days, you've probably heard it.

    At the press conference several journalists, who know a con when they hear one, asked the obvious follow-up question: is that more in real terms? (allowing for inflation, population growth etc. ).

    Luxon did what he always does: repeated his prepared script ("what I'm saying to you …") and didn't answer.

    Cuts. If you vote National you vote for cuts in health services. It could not be any clearer if Luxon was wearing a T-shirt with the message on it.

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