Open mike 12/11/2023

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  1. lprent 1
    12 November 2023 at 6:02 am

    Rolled the wordpress back to 6.3.2 to re-enable mobile version.

    This from yesterday.


    The issue appears to be related to one specific line of code within WordPress 6.4 that has caused this same error in a wide array of plugins across the ecosystem – so it's not just a WPtouch specific issue.

    We're working as fast as we can and hope to have something released shortly.

    Pretty much what I found – the js and css on the mobile theme simply weren't loading. The debug was reporting that they were loading from an unexpected location which was neither the mobile theme directory nor the child theme that I wrote.

    Best general discussions on the issue was
    https://wordpress.org/support/topic/wordpress-6-4-the-plugin-no-longer-works/

    Bug trac
    https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/59847

    THe actual solution long-term is….

    • Keywords needs-unit-tests added

    I think it would be good to introduce some unit tests with any fix here to help prevent a future similar regression

    In the meantime there is a plugin bug-fix.

    @olimate Apparently, this problem isn’t only with Any Mobile Theme Switcher, but with a lot of themes and other plugins too. A different fix for the problem is this Plugin: https://gist.github.com/joemcgill/dd569c287013ad545f41495f93d7a27e

    However for my purposes a rollback was preferable. It should get fixed in the next sub-release wordpress 6.4.2

    I don’t do much with the open source communities because my employers tend to keep me somewhat busy. Maybe when I start getting around to ‘retiring’.

    However the conversations read just like the ones I am currently having with the QA group after my groups last major release. They are writing feature tests before running stress soaks. In that process finding the bugs that neither I nor my unit-tests found.

    • Red Blooded One 1.1
      12 November 2023 at 6:49 am

      I didn't understand a word you said, but thank you, from me and my mobile. yes

      • bwaghorn 1.1.1
        12 November 2023 at 9:29 am

        Hear hear!!

      • Anne 1.1.2
        12 November 2023 at 9:35 am

        He might just as well be an alien speaking from another galaxy. 😉

        Even so, without him TS would not exist.

      • Terry 1.1.3
        12 November 2023 at 10:40 am

        When the tech geeks try to tell me why my laptop isn’t working, as I want it to, my eyes just glaze over and I go and get another coffee.

        But thanks I think it’s now working like it should, so don’t mess with it…..

  2. johnr 2
    12 November 2023 at 8:38 am

    I will never understand techies. They make something that runs like a Swiss watch, then can't resist the urge to have a fiddle. But I thankyou also.

    • Visubversa 2.1
      12 November 2023 at 9:54 am

      At least there is only one set of techie fingers in this particular pie. The minute you get more than one of them involved – all hell breaks loose. I ended up with 150,000 emails in my PC Outlook Inbox (and more duplicates coming in every minute) when I got someone to make a minor adjustment to the sinching with my mobile and they accidently set up some sort of feedback loop that just kept on replicating everything on the server.

      It took someone else 4 hours on a Sunday afternoon to fix it.

      • Terry 2.1.1
        12 November 2023 at 10:47 am

        Back in the day, vintage windows 95, my pc keep on running slow, the tech geek told me that my brain had become so accustomed to my pc being so fast, that I was more productive, so I actually believed my pc was running slow…

  3. joe90 3
    12 November 2023 at 11:10 am

    It only took 35 years and a white guy singing it…

    Tracy Chapman was honored with Song of the Year for her 1988 folk anthem "Fast Car" at the Country Music Awards on Wednesday, becoming the first Black songwriter to ever win the award

    https://www.npr.org/2023/11/09/1211853629/tracy-champan-fast-car-cmas-luke-combs

  5. joe90 5
    12 November 2023 at 6:42 pm

    Elmo's move fast and break things includes his employees.

    Reuters documented at least 600 previously unreported workplace injuries at Musk’s rocket company: crushed limbs, amputations, electrocutions, head and eye wounds and one death. SpaceX employees say they’re paying the price for the billionaire’s push to colonize space at breakneck speed.

    https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/spacex-musk-safety/

  6. georgecom 6
    12 November 2023 at 8:54 pm

    well I'll be damned. sunlight dishwashing liquid, another thing we used to make in this country but no more

  7. joe90 7
    12 November 2023 at 9:32 pm

    They've known the likely outcome for >50 years.

    @zackbeauchamp

    Yeshayahu Leibowitz, prominent 20th century Orthodox intellectual, writing in his 1968 essay "The Territories." It was prophecy:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-g7Fe1W4AA_XET?format=png&name=small

    @zackbeauchamp

    It gets more damning as you read

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-g70rVWsAAVugh?format=jpg&name=small

    https://twitter.com/zackbeauchamp/status/1722691874941480981

    edit: added links, image resizing seems to be beyond me

    • weka 7.1
      13 November 2023 at 12:23 am

      Linking to twitter needs to be to the specific tweet, not the person's twitter account. Click on the date/time stamp on the tweet, then copy/paste the URL to TS.

      Image resizing is most easily done by editing the comment after it has been made. Put this just before the end > in the HTML of the image link:

      width="100%"

      (or a lesser %).

    • weka 7.2
      13 November 2023 at 12:27 am

      I've resized the images. There was some odd code in there, plus too many italics tags (around the images).

  8. newsense 8
    13 November 2023 at 2:05 am

    Alastair Thompson calls out Hipkins for conceding on election night and also for not pursuing the possibility of a governing arrangement with the two parties further left and NZF.

    Because, he says, it is disrespectful to the voters to ignore that possibility entirely.

    In the last two weeks since the poll – MMP has not really [sic] functioning as it is supposed to. Chris Luxon is not yet the "Incoming Prime Minister" he is just the Leader of the National Party until Luxon can command the confidence of the house.

    https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL2311/S00011/editorial-mmp-comes-of-age-a-broader-view.htm

    • Belladonna 8.1
      13 November 2023 at 8:58 am

      However, it is not possible (politically, and in the court of public opinion) for Labour to reach out to NZF – while they continue to characterize people who voted for them as reality-challenged conspiracy theorists.

      I note that Thompson also suggests that the GP – should explore a coalition with National

      The Greens and National could technically form a government with 63 votes in a 123 seat parliament with a bare majority.

      It sounds to me as though Thompson is flailing around, desperately, to find a mathematically possible political solution which would keep the Right out of government – without taking a realistic look at the people and history involved.

      I note, that even in his desperation – and commitment to a MMP more reminiscent of Germany, than NZ – he's not proposing that Labour should negotiate with ACT.

      • newsense 8.1.1
        13 November 2023 at 12:44 pm

        Or Labour with National.

        As for conspiracy theorists there’s a continuum. Listened to a David Farrier podcast where he discussed a guy who attacked a place because of the conspiracy. I think there were no deaths through luck iirc. He believed himself a hero.

        These are dangerous beliefs, disconnected from reality, rejecting scientific evidence and many other things. We don’t have a state religion and accept all comers.

        But if that causes harm to others and crosses into criminality I have no sympathy or patience for it. And as for people who know better (and thoroughly MMRed etc people for that matter) who stirred up doubt over vaccines for political purposes, this is a specially destructive evil.

        Hence the 50% in 2020.

        But as David Farrier also observes people slide from one conspiracy group to another as fashion changes. As we keep being told the pandemic is over. Don’t mention it. It’s not a factor.

        So the concerns of Winston’s voters in the future is where a polite, public inquiry should be made. Winston has always represented a section of the elderly and they may concern about the unhinged free marketers in ACT. Those wanting administrative affairs as a real department, to cut waste.

        If only for the purpose of representing your voters and core values. If only for the purpose of reminding them that this was a choice. Setting out a stall for next election. Reminding voters that while Labour has dropped from a historic high, that the election is still very close between the blocs.

        ‘Thompson flailing around desperately’ is how someone from the right designed to monitor and steer debate here would characterise it I guess.

        He sees it as a duty to not concede before you have exhausted all efforts on behalf of your voters. Even if in government or campaign you didn’t exhaust all efforts.

        ACT had said it wouldn’t work with Winston. The alternative government shouldn’t make that backflip easy for them.

        Another point is the extra concessions Winston may achieve if there is genuine negotiation pressure.

        But yes, we had a great pandemic response because the media by and large didn’t pick up the destructive and immoral stories the way the Murdoch empire and those worse did overseas. Now we have our own version beyond regulation, to the envy of ZB, the media landscape which helped us to unite over our pandemic response may be gone. We certainly haven’t seen all hands to the pump since the storms, floods and landslides announced in no uncertain terms the arrivals of climate change costs and worries.

  10. Eco Maori 10
    13 November 2023 at 3:39 pm

    Lucky my kaitiaki has my BACK and my Whano I put out the warnings but no one listens to Eco Maori.

    This SYSTEM ain't gonna change

    My FATE

    KA KITE ANO WHANO

  11. Eco Maori 11
    13 November 2023 at 3:42 pm

    I have done nothing wrong except being born first in Gisborne hospital and my whakapa Te Pokai te mana flows from Te Pokai.

    Kia Kaha Whano

  12. Eco Maori 12
    13 November 2023 at 3:47 pm

    These people are giving me and my kaitiaki SAS training I have learnt a lot in the last few days. I say no more.

    Ka kite Ano whanau

  13. Eco Maori 13
    13 November 2023 at 4:24 pm

    I'm related to the Makaa my greatgrand mother sister was a Makaa I was raised by my Great grandmother she was my mother so I know my mother is looking down PROUD OF HER SON.

    Kia Kaha Ps I’m closer than that though whano

  14. Eco Maori 14
    13 November 2023 at 5:16 pm

    Ron I'm your cousin get it.

    Ka kite Ano whanau

  15. Eco Maori 15
    13 November 2023 at 7:34 pm

    Watch your waha FOX. spinning lies about me.
    Ka kite Ano whanau

  16. Muttonbird 16
    13 November 2023 at 7:47 pm

    Eco Maori. Have you managed to get trusted support in your current position in the health system? I'm sure there are people available to help, and who understand you.