Open mike 12/11/2023

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  1. lprent 1
    12 November 2023 at 6:02 am

    Rolled the wordpress back to 6.3.2 to re-enable mobile version.

    This from yesterday.


    The issue appears to be related to one specific line of code within WordPress 6.4 that has caused this same error in a wide array of plugins across the ecosystem – so it's not just a WPtouch specific issue.

    We're working as fast as we can and hope to have something released shortly.

    Pretty much what I found – the js and css on the mobile theme simply weren't loading. The debug was reporting that they were loading from an unexpected location which was neither the mobile theme directory nor the child theme that I wrote.

    Best general discussions on the issue was
    https://wordpress.org/support/topic/wordpress-6-4-the-plugin-no-longer-works/

    Bug trac
    https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/59847

    THe actual solution long-term is….

    • Keywords needs-unit-tests added

    I think it would be good to introduce some unit tests with any fix here to help prevent a future similar regression

    In the meantime there is a plugin bug-fix.

    @olimate Apparently, this problem isn’t only with Any Mobile Theme Switcher, but with a lot of themes and other plugins too. A different fix for the problem is this Plugin: https://gist.github.com/joemcgill/dd569c287013ad545f41495f93d7a27e

    However for my purposes a rollback was preferable. It should get fixed in the next sub-release wordpress 6.4.2

    I don’t do much with the open source communities because my employers tend to keep me somewhat busy. Maybe when I start getting around to ‘retiring’.

    However the conversations read just like the ones I am currently having with the QA group after my groups last major release. They are writing feature tests before running stress soaks. In that process finding the bugs that neither I nor my unit-tests found.

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  2. johnr 2
    12 November 2023 at 8:38 am

    I will never understand techies. They make something that runs like a Swiss watch, then can't resist the urge to have a fiddle. But I thankyou also.

    Reply
    • Visubversa 2.1
      12 November 2023 at 9:54 am

      At least there is only one set of techie fingers in this particular pie. The minute you get more than one of them involved – all hell breaks loose. I ended up with 150,000 emails in my PC Outlook Inbox (and more duplicates coming in every minute) when I got someone to make a minor adjustment to the sinching with my mobile and they accidently set up some sort of feedback loop that just kept on replicating everything on the server.

      It took someone else 4 hours on a Sunday afternoon to fix it.

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      • Terry 2.1.1
        12 November 2023 at 10:47 am

        Back in the day, vintage windows 95, my pc keep on running slow, the tech geek told me that my brain had become so accustomed to my pc being so fast, that I was more productive, so I actually believed my pc was running slow…

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  3. joe90 3
    12 November 2023 at 11:10 am

    It only took 35 years and a white guy singing it…

    Tracy Chapman was honored with Song of the Year for her 1988 folk anthem "Fast Car" at the Country Music Awards on Wednesday, becoming the first Black songwriter to ever win the award

    https://www.npr.org/2023/11/09/1211853629/tracy-champan-fast-car-cmas-luke-combs

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  5. joe90 5
    12 November 2023 at 6:42 pm

    Elmo's move fast and break things includes his employees.

    Reuters documented at least 600 previously unreported workplace injuries at Musk’s rocket company: crushed limbs, amputations, electrocutions, head and eye wounds and one death. SpaceX employees say they’re paying the price for the billionaire’s push to colonize space at breakneck speed.

    https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/spacex-musk-safety/

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  6. georgecom 6
    12 November 2023 at 8:54 pm

    well I'll be damned. sunlight dishwashing liquid, another thing we used to make in this country but no more

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  7. joe90 7
    12 November 2023 at 9:32 pm

    They've known the likely outcome for >50 years.

    @zackbeauchamp

    Yeshayahu Leibowitz, prominent 20th century Orthodox intellectual, writing in his 1968 essay "The Territories." It was prophecy:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-g7Fe1W4AA_XET?format=png&name=small

    @zackbeauchamp

    It gets more damning as you read

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-g70rVWsAAVugh?format=jpg&name=small

    https://twitter.com/zackbeauchamp/status/1722691874941480981

    edit: added links, image resizing seems to be beyond me

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    • weka 7.1
      13 November 2023 at 12:23 am

      Linking to twitter needs to be to the specific tweet, not the person's twitter account. Click on the date/time stamp on the tweet, then copy/paste the URL to TS.

      Image resizing is most easily done by editing the comment after it has been made. Put this just before the end > in the HTML of the image link:

      width="100%"

      (or a lesser %).

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    • weka 7.2
      13 November 2023 at 12:27 am

      I've resized the images. There was some odd code in there, plus too many italics tags (around the images).

      Reply
  8. newsense 8
    13 November 2023 at 2:05 am

    Alastair Thompson calls out Hipkins for conceding on election night and also for not pursuing the possibility of a governing arrangement with the two parties further left and NZF.

    Because, he says, it is disrespectful to the voters to ignore that possibility entirely.

    In the last two weeks since the poll – MMP has not really [sic] functioning as it is supposed to. Chris Luxon is not yet the "Incoming Prime Minister" he is just the Leader of the National Party until Luxon can command the confidence of the house.

    https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL2311/S00011/editorial-mmp-comes-of-age-a-broader-view.htm

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    • Belladonna 8.1
      13 November 2023 at 8:58 am

      However, it is not possible (politically, and in the court of public opinion) for Labour to reach out to NZF – while they continue to characterize people who voted for them as reality-challenged conspiracy theorists.

      I note that Thompson also suggests that the GP – should explore a coalition with National

      The Greens and National could technically form a government with 63 votes in a 123 seat parliament with a bare majority.

      It sounds to me as though Thompson is flailing around, desperately, to find a mathematically possible political solution which would keep the Right out of government – without taking a realistic look at the people and history involved.

      I note, that even in his desperation – and commitment to a MMP more reminiscent of Germany, than NZ – he's not proposing that Labour should negotiate with ACT.

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      • newsense 8.1.1
        13 November 2023 at 12:44 pm

        Or Labour with National.

        As for conspiracy theorists there’s a continuum. Listened to a David Farrier podcast where he discussed a guy who attacked a place because of the conspiracy. I think there were no deaths through luck iirc. He believed himself a hero.

        These are dangerous beliefs, disconnected from reality, rejecting scientific evidence and many other things. We don’t have a state religion and accept all comers.

        But if that causes harm to others and crosses into criminality I have no sympathy or patience for it. And as for people who know better (and thoroughly MMRed etc people for that matter) who stirred up doubt over vaccines for political purposes, this is a specially destructive evil.

        Hence the 50% in 2020.

        But as David Farrier also observes people slide from one conspiracy group to another as fashion changes. As we keep being told the pandemic is over. Don’t mention it. It’s not a factor.

        So the concerns of Winston’s voters in the future is where a polite, public inquiry should be made. Winston has always represented a section of the elderly and they may concern about the unhinged free marketers in ACT. Those wanting administrative affairs as a real department, to cut waste.

        If only for the purpose of representing your voters and core values. If only for the purpose of reminding them that this was a choice. Setting out a stall for next election. Reminding voters that while Labour has dropped from a historic high, that the election is still very close between the blocs.

        ‘Thompson flailing around desperately’ is how someone from the right designed to monitor and steer debate here would characterise it I guess.

        He sees it as a duty to not concede before you have exhausted all efforts on behalf of your voters. Even if in government or campaign you didn’t exhaust all efforts.

        ACT had said it wouldn’t work with Winston. The alternative government shouldn’t make that backflip easy for them.

        Another point is the extra concessions Winston may achieve if there is genuine negotiation pressure.

        But yes, we had a great pandemic response because the media by and large didn’t pick up the destructive and immoral stories the way the Murdoch empire and those worse did overseas. Now we have our own version beyond regulation, to the envy of ZB, the media landscape which helped us to unite over our pandemic response may be gone. We certainly haven’t seen all hands to the pump since the storms, floods and landslides announced in no uncertain terms the arrivals of climate change costs and worries.

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  10. Eco Maori 10
    13 November 2023 at 3:39 pm

    Lucky my kaitiaki has my BACK and my Whano I put out the warnings but no one listens to Eco Maori.

    This SYSTEM ain't gonna change

    My FATE

    KA KITE ANO WHANO

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  11. Eco Maori 11
    13 November 2023 at 3:42 pm

    I have done nothing wrong except being born first in Gisborne hospital and my whakapa Te Pokai te mana flows from Te Pokai.

    Kia Kaha Whano

    Reply
  12. Eco Maori 12
    13 November 2023 at 3:47 pm

    These people are giving me and my kaitiaki SAS training I have learnt a lot in the last few days. I say no more.

    Ka kite Ano whanau

    Reply
  13. Eco Maori 13
    13 November 2023 at 4:24 pm

    I'm related to the Makaa my greatgrand mother sister was a Makaa I was raised by my Great grandmother she was my mother so I know my mother is looking down PROUD OF HER SON.

    Kia Kaha Ps I’m closer than that though whano

    Reply
  14. Eco Maori 14
    13 November 2023 at 5:16 pm

    Ron I'm your cousin get it.

    Ka kite Ano whanau

    Reply
  15. Eco Maori 15
    13 November 2023 at 7:34 pm

    Watch your waha FOX. spinning lies about me.
    Ka kite Ano whanau

    Reply
  16. Muttonbird 16
    13 November 2023 at 7:47 pm

    Eco Maori. Have you managed to get trusted support in your current position in the health system? I'm sure there are people available to help, and who understand you.

    Reply

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    4 days ago

  • Top 10 news links at 10 am for Monday, Nov 27
    PM Elect Christopher Luxon was challenged this morning on whether he would sack Adrian Orr and Andrew Coster.TL;DR: Here’s my pick of top 10 news links elsewhere at 10 am on Monday November 27, including:Signs councils are putting planning and capital spending on hold, given a lack of clear guidance ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago

  • Gordon Campbell on the new government’s policies of yesteryear
    This column expands on a Werewolf column published by Scoop on Friday Routinely, Winston Peters is described as the kingmaker who gets to decide when the centre right or the centre-left has a turn at running this country. He also plays a less heralded but equally important role as the ...
    Gordon CampbellBy lyndon
    4 days ago

  • The New Government’s Agreements
    Last Friday, almost six weeks after election day, National finally came to an agreement with ACT and NZ First to form a government. They also released the agreements between each party and looking through them, here are the things I thought were the most interesting (and often concerning) from the. ...
    Greater AucklandBy Matt L
    4 days ago

  • How many smokers will die to fund the tax cuts?
    Maori and Pasifika smoking rates are already over twice the ‘all adult’ rate. Now the revenue that generates will be used to fund National’s tax cuts. Photo: Getty ImagesTL;DR: The devil is always in the detail and it emerged over the weekend from the guts of the policy agreements National ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago

  • How the culture will change in the Beehive
    Perhaps the biggest change that will come to the Beehive as the new government settles in will be a fundamental culture change. The era of endless consultation will be over. This looks like a government that knows what it wants to do, and that means it knows what outcomes ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    4 days ago

  • No More Winnie Blues.
    So what do you think of the coalition’s decision to cancel Smokefree measures intended to stop young people, including an over representation of Māori, from taking up smoking? Enabling them to use the tax revenue to give other people a tax cut?David Cormack summed it up well:It seems not only ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    5 days ago

  • 2023 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #47
    A chronological listing of news and opinion articles posted on the Skeptical Science  Facebook Page during the past week: Sun, Nov 19, 2023 thru Sat, Nov 25, 2023.  Story of the Week World stands on frontline of disaster at Cop28, says UN climate chief  Exclusive: Simon Stiell says leaders must ‘stop ...
    Skeptical Science
    5 days ago

  • Some of it is mad, some of it is bad and some of it is clearly the work of people who are dangerous ...
    On announcement morning my mate texted:Typical of this cut-price, fake-deal government to announce itself on Black Friday.What a deal. We lose Kim Hill, we gain an empty, jargonising prime minister, a belligerent conspiracist, and a heartless Ayn Rand fanboy. One door closes, another gets slammed repeatedly in your face.It seems pretty ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    5 days ago

  • “Revolution” is the threat as the Māori Party smarts at coalition government’s Treaty directi...
    Buzz from the Beehive Having found no fresh announcements on the government’s official website, Point of Order turned today to Scoop’s Latest Parliament Headlines  for its buzz. This provided us with evidence that the Māori Party has been soured by the the coalition agreement announced yesterday by the new PM. “Soured” ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    6 days ago

  • The Good, the Bad, and the even Worse.
    Yesterday the trio that will lead our country unveiled their vision for New Zealand.Seymour looking surprisingly statesmanlike, refusing to rise to barbs about his previous comments on Winston Peters. Almost as if they had just been slapstick for the crowd.Winston was mostly focussed on settling scores with the media, making ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    6 days ago

  • When it Comes to Palestine – Free Speech is Under Threat
    Hi,Thanks for getting amongst Mister Organ on digital — thanks to you, we hit the #1 doc spot on iTunes this week. This response goes a long way to helping us break even.I feel good about that. Other things — not so much.New Zealand finally has a new government, and ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    6 days ago

  • Thank you Captain Luxon. Was that a landing, or were we shot down?
    Hello! Here comes the Saturday edition of More Than A Feilding, catching you up on the past week’s editions.Also in More Than A FeildingFriday The unboxing And so this is Friday and what have we gone and done to ourselves?In the same way that a Christmas present can look lovely under the ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    6 days ago

  • Cans of Worms.
    “And there’ll be no shortage of ‘events’ to test Luxon’s political skills. David Seymour wants a referendum on the Treaty. Winston wants a Royal Commission of Inquiry into Labour’s handling of the Covid crisis. Talk about cans of worms!”LAURIE AND LES were very fond of their local. It was nothing ...
    Bowalley Road
    6 days ago

  • Disinformation campaigns are undermining democracy. Here’s how we can fight back
    This article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons license. Read the original article. Misinformation is debated everywhere and has justifiably sparked concerns. It can polarise the public, reduce health-protective behaviours such as mask wearing and vaccination, and erode trust in science. Much of misinformation is spread not ...
    Skeptical Science
    6 days ago

  • Peters as Minister
    A previous column looked at Winston Peters biographically. This one takes a closer look at his record as a minister, especially his policy record.1990-1991: Minister of Māori Affairs. Few remember Ka Awatea as a major document on the future of Māori policy; there is not even an entry in Wikipedia. ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    7 days ago

  • The New Government: 2023 Edition
    So New Zealand has a brand-spanking new right-wing government. Not just any new government either. A formal majority coalition, of the sort last seen in 1996-1998 (our governmental arrangements for the past quarter of a century have been varying flavours of minority coalition or single-party minority, with great emphasis ...
    A Phuulish FellowBy strda221
    7 days ago

  • The unboxing
    And so this is Friday and what have we gone and done to ourselves?In the same way that a Christmas present can look lovely under the tree with its gold ribbon but can turn out to be nothing more than a big box holding a voucher for socks, so it ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    7 days ago

  • A cruel, vicious, nasty government
    So, after weeks of negotiations, we finally have a government, with a three-party cabinet and a time-sharing deputy PM arrangement. Newsroom's Marc Daalder has put the various coalition documents online, and I've been reading through them. A few things stand out: Luxon doesn't want to do any work, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago

  • Hurrah – we have a new government (National, ACT and New Zealand First commit “to deliver for al...
    Buzz from the Beehive Sorry, there has been  no fresh news on the government’s official website since the caretaker trade minister’s press statement about the European Parliament vote on the NZ-EU Free Trade Agreement. But the capital is abuzz with news – and media comment is quickly flowing – after ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    7 days ago

  • Christopher Luxon – NZ PM #42.
    Nothing says strong and stable like having your government announcement delayed by a day because one of your deputies wants to remind everyone, but mostly you, who wears the trousers. It was all a bit embarrassing yesterday with the parties descending on Wellington before pulling out of proceedings. There are ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    7 days ago

  • Coalition Government details policies & ministers
    Winston Peters will be Deputy PM for the first half of the Coalition Government’s three-year term, with David Seymour being Deputy PM for the second half. Photo montage by Lynn Grieveson for The KākāTL;DR: PM-Elect Christopher Luxon has announced the formation of a joint National-ACT-NZ First coalition Government with a ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 week ago

  • “Old Coat” by Peter, Paul & Mary.
     THERE ARE SOME SONGS that seem to come from a place that is at once in and out of the world. Written by men and women who, for a brief moment, are granted access to that strange, collective compendium of human experience that comes from, and belongs to, all the ...
    Bowalley Road
    1 week ago

  • Weekly Roundup 23-November-2023
    It’s Friday again! Maybe today we’ll finally have a government again. Roll into the weekend with some of the articles that caught our attention this week. And as always, feel free to add your links and observations in the comments. This Week in Greater Auckland On Monday Matt ...
    Greater AucklandBy Greater Auckland
    1 week ago

  • Geoffrey Miller: New Zealand’s strategy for COP28 in Dubai
    The COP28 countdown is on. Over 100 world leaders are expected to attend this year’s UN Climate Change Conference in in the United Arab Emirates (UAE), which starts next Thursday. Among the VIPs confirmed for the Dubai summit are the UK’s Rishi Sunak and Brazil’s Lula da Silva – along ...
    Democracy ProjectBy Geoffrey Miller
    1 week ago

  • New Zealand welcomes European Parliament vote on the NZ-EU Free Trade Agreement
    A significant milestone in ratifying the NZ-EU Free Trade Agreement (FTA) was reached last night, with 524 of the 705 member European Parliament voting in favour to approve the agreement. “I’m delighted to hear of the successful vote to approve the NZ-EU FTA in the European Parliament overnight. This is ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

  • Further humanitarian support for Gaza, the West Bank and Israel
    The Government is contributing a further $5 million to support the response to urgent humanitarian needs in Gaza, the West Bank and Israel, bringing New Zealand’s total contribution to the humanitarian response so far to $10 million. “New Zealand is deeply saddened by the loss of civilian life and the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago

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