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The current rise of populism challenges the way we think about people’s relationship to the economy.We seem to be entering an era of populism, in which leadership in a democracy is based on preferences of the population which do not seem entirely rational nor serving their longer interests. ...
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NZ Herald editorial shilling for the Nats again – not “cash for access” just people paying money hoping for the Nats to be re-elected.
Tories everywhere do it. So, that’s alright then. /sarc.
I’m not sure The Herald will do National any favours comparing them to Congress.
Especially after it was revealed that the US is now an oligarchy. And the reason it is is because of the rich buying buying congress.
Oh yes, the American political funding system, that’s something we want to emulate. 🙄
“[what Stephanie said]”…they all cheered, on watching the rope being created that will hang them.
How to justify a current mining tragedy Erdoğan style
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/nbpol/400895077-national-still-riding-high-with-voters—poll
Mike Hoskings has got his figures wrong. National “over” 47% Labour 29%. I seem to remember in this poll Labour was 31 or even 33%.
Riding high in the polls?? Not in the slightly more accurate Roy Morgan poll. I think you should have said in this poll Mike.
We live in a country with a corrupt media serving the plutocracy.
We’re quickly becoming like this.
Pity there’s no documentary showing how owned the NZ media is.
Hoskins.
A popinjay.
pop·in·jay [pop-in-jey]
noun
1. a person given to vain, pretentious displays and empty chatter; coxcomb; fop.
Hoskings = Fop = Perfect. Nonetheless for the skinny jeans the boy hair the bedroom eyes connection with the camera and the just concealed sneer on the mutton mouth.
Notice how Curiablog seems to have carelessly mislaid that Roy Morgan poll?
I’ve been thinking about the polls. I think we have been looking at them wrong.
The starting point should be, can this National government get 47%+ to vote for them again?
Answer (IMHO): Not a chance. They may convince 42-43%.
Ergo: The Left will win in September. Lab/Gr/ManaIp 49%
Guyon Espiner’s sly and sneaky bias is slowly undermining Morning Report.
We have switched him off rather than listening to the bias day in day out.
RNZ was the one last piece of independent mainstream media in the country.
I’m starting to feel like what it was like to live in East Germany in the 1970s.
he was at his weaselly best this morning but winston got the better of him. The thing is these popinjays believe that they are better and more important than the MP’s themselves. Listening to the whiner right now he has the tory shill o’sullivan on and she cant tell the difference between the singular and plural. These people are so up themselves that they believe that no r rules of any description apply to them. Its worse than east germany. Its a cross between disneyland and 1984 and its not looking good.
“I’m starting to feel like what it was like to live in East Germany in the 1970s” – really? Do you have any idea what it was actually like to live there, or are you just prone to hyperbole? We live in one of the best countries on earth, at one of the best times in history, and enjoy freedoms the East Germans could only dream of in the 1970s.
You can travel freely about the country; you can travel freely overseas; you can access education, healthcare, and engage with the democratic process. Above all you can spout complete rubbish such as that above, and freely criticise the government without the Stasi coming to your house and arresting you, your family and everyone you work with.
The reality of our political environment is that regardless of which party you support, we enjoy a stable government in which our trading partners have confidence and which is underpinned by a strong economy. You’ve never had it so good, and you don’t even know you’re born.
Most New Zealanders really aren’t benefiting from this rock star economy, are they?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11255016
But Key has The Solution.
Of course, the problem isn’t taxes but interest going to the rich.
A few points about the latest Fairfax poll:
(1) Its results quite violently clash with the most recent Roy Morgan.
(2) Over the last 2 election cycles, roughly half the Fairfax Polls have been pretty much in tune with other polls taken around the same time, but the other half have always skewed to the Right. Fairfax never has a Left-leaning outlier, but plenty of Right-leaning ones.
(3) Unlike previous coverage of Fairfax polls, there’s no mention in the Dominion Post or on-line about the “Change of Government” question.
This measurement is really the elephant-in-the-room as far as Tracy Watkins and Vern Small’s analyses are concerned. What readers don’t often realise (because often obscured by the Dom Post’s analysis) is that almost always more than half of Fairfax poll respondents say they do indeed want a change of government.
And yet, at one and the same time, National and the Right Bloc always lead the Left Bloc in Fairfax’s Party Vote results – poll after poll.
How can this be ? Well, those who are Undecided on the Party Vote are, of course, excluded from the poll’s party vote results. But not from the “Change of Government” results.
All of which suggests that in every one of Fairfax’s recent polls – a clear majority of Undecideds favour a Left-leaning government, while less than a quarter of Undecideds support the present government. (seems to be a particularly strong pattern among women who are Undecided). And this suggests to me they’re probably “undecided” between Labour and Green (or possibly Labour/Green and non-voting) rather than between Labour and National or Left and Right.
(4) And. as I’ve pointed out in the very recent past, we need to bear in mind that both National and Right Bloc support has been consistently and significantly over-stated (month after month) throughout the 18 months leading up to the last 2 general elections.
Here’s some revealing stats from 2008 and 2011 Fairfax Polls:
2008
February Nat 55%
April Nat 52%
May Nat 56%
2008 Election Nat 45%
2011
July Nat 56%
August Nat 57%
2011 Election Nat 47%
So – to finish off – what do the 2008 / 2011 Fairfax results presented in my previous comment suggest, given that in the latest Fairfax the Nats are polling a grand total of 47% ? Are we looking at roughly 37% for our Fine Feathered Tory Chums this September ? Or am I being just a little too generous to them there ?
+1 Sword-see my post above.
Which is why the various “get out the vote” campaigns are so vital, people have to be persuaded to participate rather than be manipulated by Fear Facts polls and think the torys will win so why bother.
Excellent points Swordfish.
I still think polls should be banned for the 3 weeks prior to election day.
Nice work, Swordfish!
Wow, Brendan Horan just said on morning report that Winston Peters has been employing Simon Lusk for advice using the NZ First Leader’s budget.
I wonder what Cameron Slater thinks?
UPDATE: Peters has just come onto morning report and is fuming and has denied everything. I don’t blame him. Suggesting that he had hired Simon Lusk is pretty defamatory …
If Lusk has his ear I would think it highly unlikely to end up heading left if he is king maker.
Some sort of unholy deceitful insurance policy for the Nats been thrashed out using a middleman?
Or Horan could be blowing smoke…
Or Horan realises he is headed for electoral oblivion and has decided to spend the last few months attempting to take Peters with him. He possibly knows enough to make Winstons life a bit uncomfortable for a while…
Yes, whispering through the back of my mind as i listened to Brendan Who and Winston Peters on the wireless this morning was the little chant, ”fight you bastards fight”,
Could He tho is the real question here, Brendan Who topple Winston from the heady heights of ”King-maker” that is,
The race horse appears not to have any legs both in the press and on the track but IF Brendan Who can produce the smoking gun which shows the alleged ”mis-spending” by Peters from the NZFirst ‘leaders budget’ Peters and therefor NZFirst might just suffer electorally,
i have my doubts, Brendan Who has taken a scatter gun approach, ala His ex mentor, to throw out a variety of allegations about Peters claiming to have the proof and ”next week” He will reveal the ”smoking gun” of proof,(classic Winston Peters),
Here’s hoping, come on Brendan Who show us all what your made of, stout stuff or just shit,???…
In my dedication to bring some lightness and laughter to the darkness produced by political discussion I give you two versions of Whispering Grass all about – ‘not to tell the blathering trees, it’s no secret anymore. Why tell them the old things’ Winston might say to Brendan Horan. (I thought he sounded like Jamie Whyte coming on strong against Winston. Brendan certainly tried to do a number on him. There’s no fury like a politician scorned eh.)
Don Estelle’s fine voice from a small frame with Windsor Davies hamming it up alongside – gold!
And Don at our very own Ohaka Aerodrome with NZs at leisure on a fine day.
Better known as ‘Lofty’ Sugden from the British TV comedy series ‘It ‘Ain’t Half Hot Mum’, Don Estelle had a hit with this song back in the mid-1970’s alongside co-star Windsor Davies.
This performance was filmed at the Classic Fighters 2003 airshow in Blenheim, New Zealand, a short five months before Don died in August 2003
another attempt by the Right to take out Peters?…the personal and legacy costs of Peters going with Nact would be absolutely dire
Depends,
If its a beat up its all about Horan getting utu and im sure the right will facilitate that.
If true I worry that something much more machiavillian is going on in terms of post election negotiation.
Or its a combination in that its public knowledge Key has little time for both Peters and Lusk and he is using Horan to discredit them both in one hit.
So Horan is either a whistle blower to scheming or a man with a chip on his shoulder with nothing to lose
My pick is this is Brendan Who’s parting shot at Peters, quite clever timing from Mr Who, should the allegations turn out to have some evidence behind them and thus gain traction through the media some real damage could be the end result in terms of votes for NZFirst,
Considering the latest Roy Morgan, Brendan Who managing to do some real damage to the NZFirst vote in September is way far worse news for National than for Labour/Green, my calculations say that National have ditched any idea of trying to promote Colon Craig’s Conservatives into the Parliament and is ‘gambling’ on Winston opting to side with National after the numbers have been counted in September,(which will require National to cut adrift Dunne),
The IF in all this i see as being the proposed Mana/Internet alliance, IF this goes ahead i can see such an alliance gaining 4% of the vote, and, as the latest Roy Morgan showed, that 4% could well come without harming in any way a rising Labour/Green % of support, that’s a Labour/Green Government right there without having Winston dictating anything to anyone,
Hence the desperation, outlined in Lprent’s post on the evil baby look-a-like’s (Farrar),latest piece of bullshit attempting to slur Cunliffe, and, Mickey Savages latest on Slippery the Prime Ministers desperate ”tax cuts coming” when even His Finance Minister knew nothing about any such plan…
New Lows for Morning Report!
i do hope the pants are sued off Guy Espiner and Morning Report for defamation!!!…and Paul Thompson for allowing it…. these accusations against Peters are entirely gratuitous and amount to bias and defamation
….and Suzie Ferguson on it was absolutely appalling the other week when interviewing Lianne Dalzeil…i was interested in hearing what Dalzeil had to say but couldnt….because Ferguson kept loudly interrupting and talking over her ( i did not get around to making a complaint but I know others also thought it was disgusting)
Morning Report starting to sound like Hosking in the morning.
Welcome to the 1 party state, NZ.
whats even worse is the little whining weasel tied to put Winston on the spot as if horan has more credibility than Winston.
Radio New Zealand should be ashamed of themselves employing somebody of the calibre of guyon espiner. He whines and whinges and pretence of objectivity is absent.
They [RNZ] have loaded themselves up with a cadre of infantilised mental midgets who are not up to the job of presenting news qua news but are revealed as mere propagandists.
They all scratch each others backs and pretend that their behaviour is normal when it is descending into the slime of goebels and his style.
Horan sounds like he is auditioning for the natz party. He goes on to boring espiners show to dish the dirt and then says that he can’t comment further because of the budget and “we have a country to run” etc. Pure keyspeak. I was shocked that gaspiner allowed horan to call Peters a thief outright. Wouldn’t want to be in Brendan’s shoes!
After Horan’s claims on Morning Report, I suspect some lawyers are very busy right now! LOL.
Just checked RNZ’s site, and nothing re Horan’s claims in the News section that I could see; and the Morning Report play back section does not include the Horan or Peters’ interviews.
Wonder how Espiner is enjoying his new job today?
They way Espiner just sat there, allowing enormous amounts of dead air between Horan’s accusations, was a starkly suspicious contrast to his usual yapping mid-sentence during answers.
Exactly. Espiner should have shut the conversation/accusations immediately. I don’t have much time for Kathryn Ryan on Nine to Noon, but she handled Hooten’s faux pas a few months ago very professionally in shutting it down immediately ( I cannot even remember what it was!)
Instead, Espiner failed to do so and has probably landed RNZ in it as a result.
My default position is (and I think the left inclined voters’ default position should be) that Winston is more likely to go with National after the election than with Labour.
That is why I won’t feel safe and comfortable until the polls indicate that the total party vote support for Labour+Greens is close to or over 50 %.
Internet Party web site is very, very impressive, as one would expect…still awesome!….if i was a techy (and not so interested in other parties) i would be tempted to join up!…my son is interested!
….my only issue is the smart meters…from what i have heard from a friend in Florida…they definitely are NOT a good idea!…..something about privacy and radiation…
…can anyone elucidate?
Yes. The sky is falling. Take some tinfoil and make a hat, then go directly to your nearest secret government underground bunker and tell them you’re from Area 51.
OAB…not very helpful…there has been quite a debate about it in the USA
So what? All sorts of things get “debated” in the USA: whether 9/11 was perpetrated by the US government or the Illuminatii, whether the Moon landings were filmed in Florida or Mexico, whether Buzz Aldrin is secretly in league with the HAARP cabal.
Take the global secret government, for example. Naturally, they’re all-pervasive and very very busy, as well as being invisible, so of course smart meters are part of the plan.
What was I thinking?
Good question ! The sensor could be remote, no intrusive probes.
Hi Chooky and Millsy … my personal view is less benevolent. Why would I want a modem equivalent to many dozens of cellphones on permanent link on the side of my house ? I arranged via Grey Power Electricity to have the Smart Meter here at my home removed … it was just outside my bedroom wall ! There is some good scientific research out there and everyone has the right to make an informed decision.
This link at least offers access to some good advice and research.
http://www.stopsmartmeters.org.nz/
and here for you Chooky …
http://www.earthcalm.com/are-smart-meters-really-dangerous/
+1 yeshe
OAB — bet you thought tobacco was as safe as Imperial Tobacco and Phil Morris told you it was for all those years too !!
The New Zealand radio-frequency exposure standard, in fact.
I expect that’s all part of the secret government’s agenda though.
The respected Nature journal last week published a peer reviewed article that demonstrated electromagnetic radiation disrupts the migratory flights of birds.
These things take a long time, but eventually such research, and other studies, may well pressure the New Zealand standard.
Or perhaps the birds are just conspiracy theorists, or Nimbys?
You need to do a bit more reading OAB before castigating others with your bombastic derision.
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I heard a rumour once (I think it was in a “Physics” lecture) that Earth generates its own electromagnetic field which pervades everything, but that can’t be true because electromagnetic fields are poisonous.
Right, the safety standards are redundant then because of natural radiation.
But you just cited the NZ RF standard as representing a safety threshold. Why do you cite that, if we don’t need safety limits? Which is it? Do we need a standard or not?
No, we can rely on statements made by Phillip Morris in the 1950s.
Geeezus mate perhaps you should have kept going to physics beyond 101 as you might have figured out that the electromagnetic field of the earth and the electromagnetic radiation output by RF transmitters have completely different characteristics, and is in fact a completely different form of energy. Bloody hell.
I’m guessing that you think that a 40kHz sound wave and a 40kHz RF wave are sort of similar too.
An electromagnetic field is a completely different form of energy than an electromagnetic field? This is some profound science.
Or perhaps it’s all just a matter of amplitude and frequency. Let’s put it to an opinion poll.
“that the electromagnetic field of the earth and the electromagnetic radiation output by RF transmitters have completely different characteristics, and is in fact a completely different form of energy.”
CV, can you explain that in a little more detail? You’ve lost me.
“I’m guessing that you think that a 40kHz sound wave and a 40kHz RF wave are sort of similar too.”
I assume you mean a 40 kHz radio wave vs a 40 kHz sound wave. There are similarities, but the differences are probably more important.
‘No, we can rely on statements made by Phillip Morris in the 1950s.’
Spot on! Good to see you’re now showing some understanding OAB.
You’re right: the archaic industry-supported RF standard is decades out of date in only measuring thermal effects. The orthodoxy is slowing shifting – like tobacco it will take a long time.
Especially once the huge spike in tumours kicks in the way it did with cell-phone towers.
Or we could ask ourselves: “What causes more health problems, smart meters or irrational fear-induced stress?”
Then we could point to the global blancmange of wittering Chicken Little fear-mongers and notice how much more harm they do than any of the so-called evils they decry.
Sometimes it takes many years or even decades for health threats to be realised and acted on. There is a bloody long list of such failures by authorities and by the scientism fanciers like yourself. Being blase about it and pretending that people who raise the point are irrational does not help. Did you learn nothing from thalidomide? From the Dalkon shield? From the Unfortunate Experiment? From Vioxx? From BPA leaching from plastics?
Pretending that modern technology has not brought with it serious human costs, as well as serious human benefits, does not help.
Gosh you live in a little bubble. Do you have a smart phone? Maybe an iPhone? You do realise that all iPhones from 4S on have a warning, stored inside the phone and no doubt also buried in the paperwork fine print, that you are not to store the phone less than 10mm away from yourself, right? That for instance precludes you from putting the phone in your jeans pocket. Tell me, why do you think that is? Is Apple playing “chicken little” now too?
+1 the fact warnings are quietly tucked into the phones now really does say a lot.
What a sad joke. People who cite a paper on the fact that birds can “see” an EMF as evidence of some sort of danger from smart meters then tell me I’m religious.
Still, thanks for alerting me to the 10mm rule, it certainly made me think twice about using my smart meter as a hot water bottle.
PS: smart meters are not particularly analogous to cell-phones unless you are having trouble arguing your way out of a paper bag.
That probably has something to do with this rather than RF.
“I expect that’s all part of the secret government’s agenda though.”
Interesting. See I would think it’s more the result of ordinary people doing stupid things on the basis of a belief in Science as God. The capitalist imperative probably has a fair amount to do with it too.
Whereas some of us prefer to work with the precautionary principle, as well as the principle of choice. Esp given how many times science has fucked up and told us everything is alright and then all the Science religionists have ridiculed any questioning of the Science as God doctrine.
(and let’s save us all a lot of time and not assume that everyone who challenge’s the domination of science is anti-science or scientifically illiterate).
Read the BioInitiative Report.
http://www.bioinitiative.org/
This important independent evidence-based report is significant.
Some European states are starting to adopt its precautionary principles.
Independent non-industry science is crucial; your pro-industry hysteria is unhelpful OAB.
His religious fundamentalism isn’t helpful either.
Or perhaps more accurately termed, secular or atheistic fundamentalism
I think it’s more religious thing. I have no idea if OAB is atheist or not, but the belief in Science as god strikes me as religious. Religion in its faith and worship sense, not its spiritual sense. The etymology of religion is the Latin for obligation, bond, reverence 😉
Well, you might say it’s “belief in Science as god”, but I just reckon that we shouldn’t worry too much about stuff that has no clear evidence of harm after 3 decades or more of pervasive use across much of the globe.
Absence of evidence =! evidence of absence, etc.
On the other hand, maybe Monsanto has a point and after 20 years of development its time to go full tilt into GMO agriculture as the next best thing.
You might say it’s “belief in science as god”, and I might say that you cite science when it suits your argument and that’s called cherry picking.
Actually, in this case absence of evidence is indeed evidence of some degree of absence.
e.g. we know to a certain level of surety that there is a distinct absence of, say, rapid and terminal brain cancer afflicting 99% of cellphone users within six months of their phone purchase.
There might be a one chance in several tens or hundreds of millions for cancer to result from a smart meter’s RF emissions. We don’t know either way.
But as OAB pointed out, stress as a serious risk factor for morbidity and mortality has been well demonstrated. So it’s the devil we have evidence for versus the devil we have no evidence for.
This doesn’t mean that monsanto or even motorola should be trusted (at the very least monsanto’s business practices raise serious questions about biodiversity, sustainability, and long term monopolisation). It just means that we needn’t jump at shadows, especially if we’re in broad daylight.
“certain level” as in “given level”.
Essentially a reasonableness test.
Bit unclear there, sorry about that.
“I might say that you cite science when it suits your argument and that’s called cherry picking.”
You could say that but it would be without evidence. On the otherhand, maybe I use science as one tool amongst others for understanding the worlds, and I pick which science to believe based on whether it’s good science, and whether it stands up to other tests of validity such as trustworthiness and integrity. What I don’t do is assume that all science is right or good or true. Nor do I believe that everything an be explained by science (ie science isn’t omniscient), or that science isn’t as flawed as the rest of human endeavour. I also know that science has been misused a lot, and that it has made enough mistakes to be cautious when it comes to human and environmental health. Further, science works within a specific set of principles (which is what makes it very good in some areas), but the world doesn’t operate solely within in those principles, hence those that belief it does are basing their belief on faith not evidence or other ways of knowing.
All of that is in the context of the precuationary principle.
McFlock, that’s a very convincing argument except for the fact that science is not that good at studying complex, multiple cause, interrlated events. Has a study been done on people living with smart meters who also use cell phones and have all the other exposures of modern life that might challenge health (including stress)?
Afaik, medical research simply doesn’t look at the world in that way. Plus it looks at populations, which is very useful unless you are the individual that gets ill.
🙄
Yeah sure, Weka, and as soon as I cite safety standards that explicitly acknowledge the potential dangers of this technology I’m exhibiting religious traits.
Raise the double standard.
You are missing the point OAB. I don’t really care about smart meters today, and although I am aware of the debate going on in NZ around this, I haven’t been following it enough to have an opinion about safety. So my comments aren’t about your views on smart meters, but your beliefs about science, how you use it, and how you ridicule people that don’t have your particular belief system. Science as god is just another form of funadmentalism. Don’t get me wrong, I see plenty of fundamentalism also amongst the alternative sub-cultures who are the ones that generally raise the alarm about new tech – it’s a human thing I guess.
Just so we are clear, here is where I entered the conversation,
http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-15052014/#comment-814622
in response to where you said:
“I expect that’s all part of the secret government’s agenda though.” and tied it into conspiracy theories.
All you have to do now is demonstrate how asking for evidence, or relying on extant evidence, is the same as the notion that “science is god”.
It isn’t: you’re projecting.
As for the ridicule, if you know a better way to separate people from their deeply held beliefs, I’m all ears.
Weka,
Yes, the systems are complex. Yes, there is no one type of research that can answer all the questions – case/control, longitudinal, population, and even animal testing all answer parts of the question “is this shit something I need to worry about?”
Some of the most difficult tasks in medical science involve identifying “high consequence/low incidence” outcomes in complex situations – e.g. long term adverse reactions to different medicine combinations.
But that doesn’t get around the fact that we have more evidence as to the debilitating effects of stress (including worrying about health harms that might not exist) than we do about the debilitating effects of RF emissions from smart meters and cellphones (individually or combined).
So, nah – not bovvered. And that isn’t saying “science is god”. I just have no grounds to worry.
Well, I would say that it activates the exact same parts of the brain, yes.
Thanks for that little bit of info!
‘What a sad joke. People who cite a paper on the fact that birds can “see” an EMF as evidence of some sort of danger from smart meters then tell me I’m religious.’
OAB, the paper said EMR disrupted the birds’ flights. It’s not relevant whether they can see it or not. The point is it has an effect at levels lower than the WHO/ICNIRP safety levels.
The article is relevant because even if you don’t care about birds (and many people do), animal models show there may be effects we can’t write off as psychosomatic.
The Science Media Centre is a government funded body aiming to increase the public’s awareness of science. Last week it disseminated this migratory bird flight paper to its stakeholders with no critical comment (they enlist local scientists to debunk work they perceive as ‘bad science’).
In case you don’t know, the SMC guys are the very pillars of the paradigm you think you are championing, and they’re pretty quick to jump on anything they perceive as lacking an evidence base.
They thought this peer reviewed published research was interesting, and should be disseminated.
‘But as OAB pointed out, stress as a serious risk factor for morbidity and mortality has been well demonstrated.’ – McFlock
This is ironic, given OAB’s mocking and ridicule is an example of the stress inducing intolerance displayed to people who hold views other than what is perceived as mainstream.
So rise up and smash the mainstream majority oppression of electromagnetic field NIMBYs.
First world problem much?
If you’re right (and you’ve read at least the abstract from Nature), you’ll know that the birds are confused by (relatively) tiny emissions (One thousand times weaker than the “lower exposure limits” for humans).
Perhaps the pervasive nature of Earth’s EMF explains NIMBYism and right wing political beliefs too!
OAB is quite right. It is a government agenda. Secret it is not. Millions of us know that “smart” meters are dangerous. Since “smart” meters run exactly the same technology as your mobile, just read the article in the Dominion Post today; “Study finds heavy cellphone use causes brain tumours”. It refers to the latest of many hundreds of studies which have proved the point. But Government employees, in their loyalty to the cellphone industry, insist on maintaining their corporate lie.
You are correct on smart meters Chooky. There is cause for concern from electromagnetic radiation and privacy; at the very least, people must be able to choose whether to have one.
Electromagnetic radiation is a possible carcinogen, according to the World Health Organisation’s re-classification in 2011.
Privacy is a very serious concern – people monitoring these smart meters can see when you arrive home, when you wake up in the morning, when you are away on holiday, when you have extra guests stay, etc.
So can your neighbours, and it’s a fair bet the Post Office has an idea too. Luckily, they are mostly good people, except at the Post Office.
It is widely accepted that electromagnetic radiation in the PHz range causes cancer. As for µ-waves and longer wavelengths, I think we should be careful. If µ-waves are shown to cause cancer at a significant level, the development of texting may have saved a lot of people.
As far as using a smart meter goes, I just wouldn’t bother. Any damage may well be minimal, but will be cumulative, and we’ve survived for years without them.
“….my only issue is the smart meters…from what i have heard from a friend in Florida…they definitely are NOT a good idea!…..something about privacy and radiation…
…can anyone elucidate?”
There’s been a bit of debate on this in Organics magazine (NZ). I haven’t followed it but your library would have the back copies. You might find some stuff on their website too.
WRT smart meters. You now have the choice of having the meters installed without the ‘smart’ capability i.e. no modem.
The biggest thing you have to worry about when they get installed is tripping out breakers or shorting out wiring leading to part-power, no hot water etc. Not to mention that wiring in a lot of housing is quite challenging to work with. Plus there is a lot of pressure being put onto the techninicans resulting in them making mistakes when installing. I work for a company that has a contract to install them around the country.
thanks millsy
… and thankyou everyone for a stimulating debate and helping me make a more informed decision!!!!!…guess i wont be going with these meters!!!!….guess the Internet Party should think about this policy some more …at very least from a PR perspective
coincidentally ….also i heard on the radio on my way home from town…. that a recent French University study concludes that cell phones used long term (for more than half an hour a day close to the head ) have a long term increased prognosis of brain tumors…( too busy to find the link at the moment)
We have one and its a f…ing nightmare. At least once a month the hot water relay trips. Cold showers in the morning are Not appreciated. Millsy, could I have it removed and replaced with a standard meter?
see my reply at 8.1.2 … good luck.
But I bet most householders are not told that they have this option…
But you can find the option to have it removed, or at least the modem removed. I parted company with Powershop, who could not, or likely, politically, would not do the removal for me. After searching around, I eventually happily signed with Grey Power Electricity, but only after their customer service person initially seemed very surprised at my request for meter/modem removal. I asked for, and received written confirmation from a supervisor guaranteeing removal before I signed with them.
Chooky et al .. we can make ripples … and ripples are the promises the waves make to the flood. Good luck and good health to you all, including OAP 🙂
Did you explain to the customer service person that you believe they’re an agent of the secret global government?
OAB .. are you really so stupid or is this just a comedy fail from you ?
Oh, have you noticed that I’m not exactly taking this rout seriously?
+1 Paul
Thanks for your comment. I have the same opinion on the lowering of the standards at NZ’s only non commercial state broadcaster, and National is stacking the board and freezing the funding. It’s beginning to show on Morning Report with Guyon and, to lesser extent, Suzie. It didn’t take long after the departure of Geoff Robinson.
One solution would be for a lot of people to question the story selection of the show, given this is a publicly funded broadcaster.
Front foot these media puppets.
“……… stacking the board and freezing the funding”
Hence my reply to a comment yesterday in response to “when did it start” (2008)
I’m surprised they haven’t renamed Morning Report the “Espiner & Ferguson Show” – but perhaps I shouldn’t be giving them ideas.
Thankfully, I don’t think it’s going unnoticed. The harder they rise, the harder they fall though – as they say.
The funny thing about Morning Report is I’ve just stopped listening to it. It wasn’t deliberate. It just died away after Espiner started. The “tone” of the show is all wrong now. Instead of being earnest but proudly public radio, it is suddenly some sad, dowdy attempt at commercial radio without the zing. Espiner and Furguson keep trying to insert themselves into the story. The “journalist as celebrity” culture kills the news value of everything it touches.
Today was the last straw. We switched it off.
Sadly there are no reliable impartial mainstream sources left.
Gradually democracy is being eroded in this country.
Talking of RNZ Bryce Edwards got to me this morning. He said the Key government was being “really strategically smart” in the budget and later said in comparison with the Oz budget “it makes Bill English’s [budget] almost socialist” (at which point Espiner giggles)
WTF!! Even O’Sullivan and Hoskin, the right wing commentators, to their credit gave the government a serve on how little vision they were showing. But so-called lefty Edwards crawls up Key’s nether regions.
Has Edwards actually looked at the Oz budget, where dole provisions for young people have been massacred?
And before that Espiner started asking whether Key’s obvious cock-up last night (where he blurted out tax cuts) was actually a cock up, but before anyone could answer Espiner said “I don’t think it was”. Why bother with the experts-you tell us Guyon. Your mate Key could never make a mistake.
But tell that to Bill English who dismissed the idea of tax cuts until he was told Key had said it, at which point he was obviously embarassed. See tv3 news last night for both Key and English.
I’ve never been able to understand how Bryce Edwards could be considered leftish. At best, he’s some sort of stamp collector, with his Herald contributions just being lists of which commentator said what in praise of the Key regime. Sometimes he throws something by Bomber in, but it’s highly debatable how much that helps any of us.
Bryce Edwards loves a cosy up with those in power, like most of the MSM and wannabe MSM.
More people switch off, and then some future Tory government will say, hey no ones listening to it (because it’s so shit) so we’ll switch it off altogether.
It’s a brilliant long term plan…
Yes CV that’s what bothers me. Don’t ignore the radio, Paul. Contact them and tell them of your concerns, and give them some praise when they do well too. Don’t make them feel that you are just prejudiced against them.
Don’t worry about criticising them though, I heard the early news team reading out a critical email about something that was the most pathetic prejudiced rubbish – they must have picked out one that scored the lowest for reasoning or joined-up thought. So they are fairly thick-skinned about the sort of job they do.
A change of government could demand and fund public radio to be giving good quality information and make changes to give us better public information on NZ. .That is if the left are more alive than they were when they allowed our public television to go private, the stupid, unthinking, ignorant s..ts.
The present outfit isn’t there in concrete. The whole thing could vanish. It could be wiped like they wiped broadcasting house, merely on a whim in one parliamentary session. This is a weakness of politicians having the right to be change agents when they should have to get permission to wipe out or majorly change systems and infrastructure. They should be only managers during their reign, the decision making should go with a referendum from people who undertake study of how the country works and operates so we get informed responses.
Aaah the obscene sense of entitlement extending a cloud that reeks over the heads of the National Government,
Kicked out of the Parliament last year for an over exposure of the sense of entitlement was Aaron Gilmore, He of ”dont you know who i am” infamy,(well NO Aaaron your a complete non-entity), the replacement into the National Caucus off of the Party List, Claudette Hauiti has just been caught with Her hand in the cooky jar,(or is that with the nose firmly stuck in the trough),
Apparently Claudette saw fit to hire Her partner to work in Her electorate office, a clear breach of the rules administered by the House Speaker,
Having been caught, the partner has now been dismissed from the employment and the Speaker has said no further action will be taken,
Its easy then to see why these people happily break these so called ”rules” isn’t it, my view is that at the least Claudette Hauiti should be paying back to the taxpayer the monies wrongfully paid to Her partner as an employee,
It goes further then that tho doesn’t it, allowing low level corruption such as what Claudette has engaged in,(claiming She had no knowledge of the rules???), simply enables and encourages further acts of corruption of a greater and more widespread nature,
Claudette Hauiti should be removed from the Parliament immediately…
What rules? Nepotism rules eh! It obviously makes sense to have one of your own bringing further cash into the family.
And then there are the rest of the family, you become a business centre an economic dynamo spreading opportunities and largesse throughout your happy whanau. It is very practical and the way that things are done in the world of advanced power, so expect more of it as time goes on.
Bill English, Conor English, friends of Bill and Conor in positions of farming interest there is one example of spread of influence and lines of connection. If you looked at any long term politician there would be similar. So those parliamentary rules need to be kept dusted.
Incidentally I heard Damien O’Connor making an unashamed spiel for his West Coast constituents the other day, strengthening his connecting lines. He was speaking about mining there and lauding it as an earner, and the fine quality which I think is especially good in steel making. No reference to temporary, while we work hard on getting other fuels and alternative technologies to replace the harm that coal burning will do – climate change etc. You would think it was the 1970s. Isn’t it time that people in positions of power and privilege acknowledged our looming climate troubles, before the tsunami hits and to assist after?
+1
(look what happened to Queenstown. I can’t remember the name of that National Party non-entity responsible for it all, but it seems Damien is intent on going down the same track). Really short term thinking!
Thankfully I wont’t be around, but watch ’em all squeal like pigs when the inevitable comes to pass.
Nothing against pigs btw … they’ll probably have the last laugh
Cooper? Or as he got called Mini-Cooper.
Are you sure it wasn’t Dennis Plant, MP for Wakatipu South?
Cooper was mayor and a Tory Minister at the same time IIRC.
Yesterday I started a new 10 minute radio slot with Raglan Radio. I will be a guest on the morning live show Wednesday once every two weeks and the next one will be 9:10 am 28th of May. Subject matter is the history of the transient nature of Europe’s State borders connected to events playing out today.
Go fo it Travellerev – what we don’t know about Europe and its changing borders would fill several large battleships. So it would be a good idea to get a surplus on that deficit of knowledge.
I love how these financialised mainstream economic concepts now permeate all our thoughts.
I hate it CV. But (as above) … watch ’em all scream like stuffed pigs when it all turns to shite. I’m sure it’ll be televised. Possibly on The Guyon and Susie Show.
Cheers greywarbler thanks!
“..Subject matter is the history of the transient nature of Europe’s State borders connected to events playing out today…”
..keeping it light/breakfasty..eh..?
..and a shame it’s radio..
..as this wd be a great visual-aid:..
“…Europe Map Video Shows Changing Borders, ’10 Centuries In 5 Minutes’…’ (VIDEO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/14/10-centuries-in-5-minutes-video-europe-map-history-_n_783309.html
Oops. A signal that “this video does not exist.” Pity.
oops..!..sorry..!
..here ya go..!
it’s a little ripper of a vid..
..and makes almost every ‘historical claim’ a bit of a joke..
grr..!..again..!
..that wasn’t the version i originally linked to..and should not be mentioned in same breath..
..apparantly there is a copyright issue around it..
..and i have looked..but have been unable to find it..
..my original link came from my archives..and apologies for not checking link was still working first..
anti semite! anti semite!!
[lprent: You appear to be an idiot making a comment that has no relationship to what you are replying to. Putting you on probation. ]
Am I the only one confused reading this comment?
nope (you are not the only one)
I think Marius is attempting some form of humour, but perhaps I’m just being anti-semitic. I thought it was funny, anyway.
Jane Clifton like many others was enchanted by the Campbell Live Cunliffes at home program.
It was a nicely crafted item, and a must-watch for anyone interested in politics. This will be one of the most-talked-about pieces of television in this election campaign, even though Cunliffe featured as more of a bit-part player. His was nonetheless a telling cameo.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/culture/television/10040943/Cunliffes-wife-proves-a-gem
I agree, it was a great piece of political TV. I feel more confident about Cunliffe’s capacity as a PM having seen what his wife is like.
Plus he’s a cat person!
Bit worried about the Green vote swinging back their way though 😉
the comments are amazing , “they were acting”, & a mate of mine told me the radio talk back world reckoned that the bee hives & animals were just brought in for the filming. ffs! anyway, fuck the haters, most ppl with a brain could see how awesome the cunliffes were.
Totally non political but this is remarkable “Cat saves boy from dog attack!”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/life-style/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503081&gal_cid=1503081&gallery_id=143017
Yes ianmac but what is most remarkable is how we humans continue to under-estimate the animal kingdom.
One example – this ridiculous notion that sharks mistake humans for seals. I mean, really. Sharks have been swimming around in th ocean for millions of years munching on seals and we think they cannot tell what they are chomping on? Perhaps by illustration – if you were under water ianmac do you think you could tell the difference between a seal and a human?
Often times I think the thickest animals on the planet are we humans …..
National MP hires her wife then claims
Hauiti said she was unaware of the prohibition on employing spouses when she contracted her wife to work in her office.
“I’m really disappointed that I didn’t know the rules, I’ve only been here a year and I should have kept up to speed with that and I didn’t.
“I made a really big mistake.”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10045412/MPs-wife-gets-the-boot-from-electorate-office-contract
I mean how dumb can you be?
Whatever,
Do new MPs get a briefing about what they can and can’t do?
I had the same thought. I think the speaker should take the bigger blame here if he did not inform Hauiti as she claims she was unaware of the rules!
Hauiti became a Member of Parliament in May last year following the departure of National MP Aaron Gilmore, who resigned after abusing a waiter while drunk in Hanmer Springs.
From the ‘Don’t you know who I am?’ Gilmore to ‘Don’t you know who my wife is!’ Hauiti!
National has become a discredited shameful outfit in so many ways!
The new Government certainly gets a briefing from the Reserve Bank and from Treasury about what they can and can’t do.
+1
And that’s one of the reasons both pretty much need to be closed down.
http://www.3news.co.nz/Peters-Collins-must-have-dirt-on-John-Key/tabid/1607/articleID/344102/Default.aspx
If you look at this link there is an interview with Winston Peters about Judith C.
It then crosses to David Cunliffe, but spliced in there is a flash to a clip (just a still pic of Shane Taurima ……….its at about the 4.52 minute mark……
Europe’s racist right wing will continue to rise because the Left is proving weak and unprincipled in the face of corporate power and money
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/14/rise-of-europe-far-right-only-halted-by-populism-of-left
“What is common to all is that they are drawing on the social discontent that has mushroomed across the continent on the back of a decade of growing insecurity and unemployment, falling living standards and austerity. For many of their voters abandoned by the establishment parties, the populist right looks like the only alternative to hand.
Not that their advance will change anything on the ground. The European parliament is barely a shadow of a democratic assembly. “Choose who’s in charge in Europe”, its posters demand in an effort to convince sceptical voters to turn out next week.
In reality, they will be choosing no such thing. That is not just because Strasbourg is weak and toothless and the establishment alliance of centre-right and centre-left will continue to dominate it”
Europe, left or right since 1972.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2011/jul/28/europe-politics-interactive-map-left-right
How stupid could you get? Well you could rail against secret trusts then get caught using one to fund your leadership campaign or you could still hang around with the imbecile who suggested it to you in the first place.
Though to be fair, this is pretty stupid.
[lprent: You know better. Four week ban for being fairly stupid in attacking an author, being off-topic in a post, attempting to do a diversion post, and wasting my time writing this. The comment is moved to Open Mike ]
Just attended the Business Expo at North Harbour Stadium and was intercepted by a large contingent of Police and civilians under the guise of Community Patrol.
I had never heard of this organisation so have just looked it up and it appears that it has been around since 2001. They seem to be highly organised across NZ and they have cars and uniforms.
The cars are also fitted with what looks like radio telephones of some kind.
Does anyone have any details how these people came into being. They seem to be working very closely with police and councils and I wonder just who is paying for this service. I think that I prefer law enforcement to be carried out by properly trained police officers and not defacto ones.
Just a little worrying but maybe I am paranoid?
They’re probably a good idea but, yeah, would like to know where the funding is coming from.
They work well.
If you are being paranoid, I share the feeling. They could be a new version of Massey’s Cossacks, ready and waiting, with links to the police already in place.
Except they are generally a couple of old diggers driving around in a tatty old corona being nosey and putting the crims off of busting down warehouse doors and the like. Totally harmless. For the danger I would suggest keep an eye on whaleoil and farrar diehards.
On their website their cars look good, but the personnel do look as if their days of frontline work would be a distant memory.
As far as the WhaleSpew army goes, I’d suspect that most of them would be the sort of psycho idiots that would be good at kicking people who were already on the ground and handcuffed. This fits in with the vile they spew at those least able to defend themselves, such as solo mothers and other beneficiaries. Many of them would give Walter Mitty a real run for his money, and make this hilariously obvious. Still, as shown in 1981 and since, if a big enough group of them can find a small enough group, preferably containing women and children, of those they don’t like, they can get brave enough to do some real damage.
Got budget day blues? A little aside.
Vote me by hovering over the big al1en picture and clicking the pop up orange vote button.
Ta 🙂
http://www.theaudience.co.nz/the-al1en-2/little-bird-im-a-worm/
I started getting depressed looking at the fresh Dep Index this week, and listening to commentators wondering why consumer spending keeps tracking resolutely down in the Waikato and East Coast.
Who can change inequality? This is part of a longer article you can find in Salon.com from Robert Reich, which I liked because it was simple and because they are themes I have heard for a good few years now. Also because the US appears to be facing the same kinds of challenges, from a far less fair and less regulated economy than ours. And then Easton’s article recently talked about how gvoernment’s rarely improve the economy. Got me searching…
“What We Must Do
There is no single solution for reversing widening inequality. Thomas Piketty’s monumental book “Capital in the Twenty-First Century” paints a troubling picture of societies dominated by a comparative few, whose cumulative wealth and unearned income overshadow the majority who rely on jobs and earned income. But our future is not set in stone, and Piketty’s description of past and current trends need not determine our path in the future. Here are ten initiatives that could reverse the trends described above:
1) Make work pay. The fastest-growing categories of work are retail, restaurant (including fast food), hospital (especially orderlies and staff), hotel, childcare and eldercare. But these jobs tend to pay very little. A first step toward making work pay is to raise the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour, pegging it to inflation; abolish the tipped minimum wage; and expand the Earned Income Tax Credit. No American who works full time should be in poverty.
2) Unionize low-wage workers. The rise and fall of the American middle class correlates almost exactly with the rise and fall of private-sector unions, because unions gave the middle class the bargaining power it needed to secure a fair share of the gains from economic growth. We need to reinvigorate unions, beginning with low-wage service occupations that are sheltered from global competition and from labor-replacing technologies. Lower-wage Americans deserve more bargaining power.
3) Invest in education. This investment should extend from early childhood through world-class primary and secondary schools, affordable public higher education, good technical education and lifelong learning. Education should not be thought of as a private investment; it is a public good that helps both individuals and the economy. Yet for too many Americans, high-quality education is unaffordable and unattainable. Every American should have an equal opportunity to make the most of herself or himself. High-quality education should be freely available to all, starting at the age of 3 and extending through four years of university or technical education.
4) Invest in infrastructure. Many working Americans—especially those on the lower rungs of the income ladder—are hobbled by an obsolete infrastructure that generates long commutes to work, excessively high home and rental prices, inadequate Internet access, insufficient power and water sources, and unnecessary environmental degradation.
5) Pay for these investments with higher taxes on the wealthy. Between the end of World War II and 1981 (when the wealthiest were getting paid a far lower share of total national income), the highest marginal federal income tax rate never fell below 70 percent, and the effective rate (including tax deductions and credits) hovered around 50 percent. But with Ronald Reagan’s tax cut of 1981, followed by George W. Bush’s tax cuts of 2001 and 2003, the taxes on top incomes were slashed, and tax loopholes favoring the wealthy were widened. The implicit promise—sometimes made explicit—was that the benefits from such cuts would trickle down to the broad middle class and even to the poor. As I’ve shown, however, nothing trickled down. At a time in American history when the after-tax incomes of the wealthy continue to soar, while median household incomes are falling, and when we must invest far more in education and infrastructure, it seems appropriate to raise the top marginal tax rate and close tax loopholes that disproportionately favor the wealthy.
6) Make the payroll tax progressive. Payroll taxes account for 40 percent of government revenues, yet they are not nearly as progressive as income taxes. (…)
7) Raise the estate tax and eliminate the “stepped-up basis” for determining capital gains at death. As Piketty warns, the United States, like other rich nations, could be moving toward an oligarchy of inherited wealth and away from a meritocracy based on labor income. The most direct way to reduce the dominance of inherited wealth is to raise the estate tax by triggering it at $1 million of wealth per person rather than its current $5.34 million. [Would a Capital Gains Tax do a similar job, or do we need a proper Estate Tax]
8) Constrain Wall Street. The financial sector has added to the burdens of the middle class and the poor through excesses that were the proximate cause of an economic crisis in 2008, similar to the crisis of 1929. (…) The Glass-Steagall Act, which separated commercial- and investment-banking functions, should be resurrected in full, and the size of the nation’s biggest banks should be capped. [Made me wonder what the Aus equivalent of Glass-Segall was]
9) Give all Americans a share in future economic gains. The richest 10 percent of Americans own roughly 80 percent of the value of the nation’s capital stock; the richest 1 percent own about 35 percent. As the returns to capital continue to outpace the returns to labor, this allocation of ownership further aggravates inequality. Ownership should be broadened through a plan that would give every newborn American an “opportunity share” worth, say, $5,000 in a diversified index of stocks and bonds—which, compounded over time, would be worth considerably more. The share could be cashed in gradually starting at the age of 18.
10) Get big money out of politics. Last, but certainly not least, we must limit the political influence of the great accumulations of wealth that are threatening our democracy and drowning out the voices of average Americans. The Supreme Court’s 2010 Citizens United decision must be reversed—either by the Court itself, or by constitutional amendment. In the meantime, we must move toward the public financing of elections—for example, with the federal government giving presidential candidates, as well as House and Senate candidates in general elections, $2 for every $1 raised from small donors.”
[for me Reich has something extra from Easton, though I enjoy Easton as well. Thewre’s a nice barely buried anger with Reich.]
One of the main reasons that Australia, and New Zealand weathered the GFC so well, apart from not having National in power, for the previous 9 years, to run up the deficit with unaffordable tax cuts, asset sales and borrowing, is because of Keating’s tight regulation of the Ozzie banks.
I have to geniunely feel sorry for Krus Funlysun eh, ez the budjit is delivud. Look who the cnut has to his right – and more importantly the two places to his rear. There’d be a load of hypocrisy that a carbon tax equivalent mechanism would be hard to disperse.
Just saying.
There’s a ….. “I never inhaled” from the Keputee rejin
…….. a Ladder Puler Upper (eaxtra-ordinaire) complete with leapardskun suit under an ensemble feshun edvoisus hev rekumended
……. and a fick shit pretending some sort of ekademuk cheevmint (with stifikuts ta prove it0
…… all rolled into a nodding, hero worshipping, bunch of hypocrisy one could ever hope to come across as some sort of sociological study.
Pity their spouses eh?
Still, what they don’t know won’t kill them (and of course they’ve ‘nothing to fear’ – as their Dear Leader would have ’em believe.
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Well, interesting you should mention that, I just happen to have it open . . .
. . . don’t like to clutter up threads with the whole thing in case I interrupt the flow . . . but since you asked.
^^ Considering the budget debate and the forthcoming election, that should probably be a guest post.
Was anyone else attempting to watch the Budget debate via TV and have the transmission cut off for an ‘update’?
This occurred toward the end of Mr Cunliffe’s speech and has just come on again with Key yapping away about some garbled nonsense (as usual). Unsure how long transmission was cut – about 10 minutes I think.
It seems like a very odd time to choose an update at the very time that the NZ parliament are debating the countries’ budget and in an election year?
[Got anything to say for yourselves freeview managers?]
Anyone else have this occur?
I used to admire John Pilger greatly, but I think he’s past his use by date
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/ukraine-us-war-russia-john-pilger
Do you mean past his use-by date because the US war machine is likely to take Pilger out for exposing the US government war machine actions?
Or do you mean past his use-by date because Pilger is wrong on this Ukraine matter? And if so it would be interesting to know why you think such. You seem to have a thorough knowledge of matters in those parts of the world (though I have no idea how accurate that knowledge might be, nor how that knowledge might convert to understanding)
As if Russia was ever going to allow the Ukraine to be taken over by NATO and the EU. Not happening.
The western military industrial complex already knew that however, and with the wind down of Afghanistan and Iraq they need new justification for even bigger military budgets out of Washington.
Riiiiight – so in your mind that translates to “lets annoy a major nuclear power”? In case you haven’t noticed, the US military-industrial complex has a marked preference for asymetrical conflicts that don’t run the risk of getting them turned into a pile of radioactive slag.
How arrogant to basically suggest the Ukraine people can’t have any autonomy in who they choose to side with – in fact they were quite happy to court both though neither side were having it – though maybe the preference of younger Ukrainians for the EU is something to do with better employment opportunities, better economic development and social liberalism (not being chucked in the gulag for saying you’re gay, for example). Please outline for me what Russia was offering?
But by all means continue smoking Putin’s pole.
Oh for fucks sake Pop1 you have no fucking idea, do you. A new cold war against Russia means new contracts for Gen VI fighters, new strategic bombers, a new generation of nuclear missile submarines, spy satellites, war head designs etc. etc. etc.
There is no fucking money in assymetrical warfare shit (building mine resistant APCs and walky talkys which jam IEDs lol), but there are trillion dollar budgets in building the next gen strategic nuclear missile submarine.
The chance of not having the US and IMF infiltrate your country, gift it to neo-Nazis and the Right Sector and turn it into a failed state.
Which by the way the US is quite happy to have happen as it becomes a major problem for Russia at that point.
The US and EU have put neo-Nazis and the Right Sector in charge of Kiev now. They’ve invited 400 Blackwater mercernaries in to do the dirty work for them in Eastern Ukraine because they can’t rely on their own forces to turn against their own people. Once this gets going, it’s not going to be about putting gays behind bars. These are the same people who burnt 41 people to death in the trades union building in Odessa. Being put behind bars is going to be a fucking mercy at this rate.
Fuck you really have no idea. Stop watching fucking CNN would you.
This statement is too moronic, too naïve and too bleeding incorrect, for words.
Personally I can think of one grumpy little Marxist who has watched one too many James Bond films.
“The chance of not having the US and IMF infiltrate your country, gift it to neo-Nazis and the Right Sector and turn it into a failed state.”
Oh almighty fucktard, Ukraine was already a failing state – probably something to do with all that money being syphoned off by corrupt oligarchs puppeted from Moscow, so they could build palaces with private zoos.That was what was behind the original riots in the first place. I realise you are a cretin so I’ll try to make it simple for you. No former Soviet or Warsaw Pact state has any real desire to go back under the thumb of Moscow, if you don’t understand that you have presumably never had many dealings with Czechs, Poles etc – maybe you should read up on the Holodomor before you make such fucking stupid suggestions in future you sad pathetic little man. Maybe you should read up on what happened to the fucking Crimean Tartars you arrogant little shit.
As hard as it might be for someone of your pathological confirmation bias and liited intelligence to grasp, but having endured generations of Soviet oppression, the IMF and CIA are a fucking summer camp (the CIA doesn’t tend to execute you with a plastic bag, shove a potulism-tipped brollie up your jaxie, or put Polonium in your tea). If you are not an ethic Russian you are fucked. I you have issues with the Putin regime you are fucked. There is no freedom of speech or association and your callous disregard for minorities and dissidents is nauseating.
Naz1s? Har fucking har. I’ll tell you what’s naz1 – persecuting minorities and using ethnicity as a justification for invading a sovereign country al al fucking Putin. Maybe you should sit down and watch some videos of gays, Caucasians and Central Asians being beaten and tortured with the tacit approval of the Russian government because that’s how Putin rolls you useful idiot. Maybe you should stop to consider why a group like Pussy Riot would have a big fan base in the US but gets thrown in a gulag in Russia.
Now if you had a functioning brain you might have noticed that the US has in fact been largely withdrawing from Europe to focus on Asia and the Pacific. If the US was going to be picking fights with a nuclear superpower it is more than likely going to be China – and given the Chinese government seems a lot more organised and less psychotic than Putin’s Russia, that would by far be the safer bet for a nice safe cold war.
You are a moron and a swine. Jesus Christ people like you make me despair of the whole point of left wing politics. How can you possibly consider life under Russian rule even on the same universe of basic human decency as the EU? For the love of basic human decency pull your head out of your arse.
For those of you interested in the red pill unlike Populux, who has seems to have swallowed the blue pill of mass MSM propaganda wholeheartedly, here are a few links you might want to check out.
On the history of the Ukraine, whether the majority wants to be part of Russia and why, The Neo-Nazi threat to some 30.000 Jews, The illegality of the Kiev Dictator ship and what it means to the local population. Perhaps the fact that Julia Timoshenko (that weird female billionaire with the braided hairdo) thought that nuking them an mass was a good idea and the Odessa massacre was welcomed by her as a great example of how the illegal Ukraine dictatorship should deal with them pesky millions of people who identify as Russian, speak Russian and want to be able to continue to live peacefully in the Ukraine as Russians.
Also here is some information putting the hysterical Western MSM condemnation of Russia’s “anti- gay” laws in perspective.
Perhaps a bit of info about the NGO’s and the Academia (former Blackwater) and CIA death squads operating in the Ukraine helping the illegal Kiev Dictatorship.
Oh, and the Son of Vice President Biden becoming one of the directors of the biggest private gas company in the Ukraine making Collin’s conflict of interest pale in comparison.
gawd… what with the horrific things pop says and the horrific things you say trav ….. what are we to do?
it’s like the entire world needs picking up and given a good shake so that all its peoples come back down in all different places and all mixed up so we can start again as people with no histories…
.. traditions … cultures … histories … religions … they all just lead to conflict when the different ones meet. And to think we all just arrived at these various spots just a few thousands of years ago as we migrated out of Africa and to the west and to the east. Now we are all crossing up and over and getting all upset and fighting over the dwindling resources … and fighting over our so-called traditions, cultures, histories, religions … these things are a crock … a sop … and a bar to rest our lazy lives on..
always be wary of crying “but its our tradition / culture / history / religion” – ’tis the sign of lazy and danger
How unusual for you to be concerned about Jewish welfare, Ev, you’re normally the one ranting about Rothschilds and John Key’s lapsed Hebraism, but lets look at Russia’s long and illustrious hstory of protecting Jewish rights. Jews weren’t even allowed to live in Russia proper until after WW2 – Cf. the Pale of Habitation, Shetls and so forth. There is a reason why so many move t Israel even now.
The opinion of Ukraine’s Jews (and gays for that matter) is that things are far from ideal, but they’d rather sort things out internally rather than have Moscow “protect” them.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/12/us-ukraine-crisis-jews-idUSBREA2B1NT20140312
Not to mention that if your weird Protocols of the Elders of Zion fantasy is in any way accurate, the EU and US are puppets of the Zionist conspiracy and will not allow such things in their vassal states. Seriosuly, if they’re not going to tolerate the genocidal expulsion of Muslims from the Balkans, they are hardly going to stand by for a second Holocaust.
There are were and presumably are thousands of people living in New Zealand who would be happy to do so as British or Chinese – should Britain or China be given carte blanche to invade us?
CIA death squads? check your meds you loony muppet – the only foreign forces in Ukraine are decked out in Russian uniforms (curiously missing their insignias) and carrying Russian weapons.
You don’t know shit about Russia’s anti-gay laws. “Gay propoganda” in Russia can be interpreted as simply standing up for yourself as not being an evil paedophile or even simply saying that you are gay. Imagine if we passed laws that prevented you expressing yourself as a crazy conspiracy theory nutter.
No, actually I am not ranting about the Rothschild’s (Fuck I don’t even know how to write the name correctly) and those who read my blog and my comments can attest to that.
I have written extensively about Israel and the fact that many, many Jewish groups oppose the abomination that it is.
I have pointed out that “Jewish” John (Something he only uses if it gives him gains) is supporting an anti Semitic Neo Nazi dominated (not by numbers but by their willingness to use violence) illegal government with his NATO palls. I don’t know about you but I wonder why it is OK for NZ soldiers to go die for a war in the Ukraine.
Elders of Zion? Must read the book one day.
I have not espoused any knowledge of what Ukrainian Jews might want contrary to you and it would be good for those of you reading Populux’s rants to keep in mind that 27 million Russians died in the second WW, that they were the first to arrive in Berlin and that along the way they were the first to liberate prisoners of war, Jews and Gays from Concentration camps such as Auschwitz.
I also have not claimed any knowledge about how Gays feel in Russia but how about letting them speak for themselves. And here is a white paper written by a an American gay man and the full text of Russia’s “anti-gay” law analyzed.
Apparently it is fine to be openly gay in the Russian army for starters.
And apparently there is an upward trend in Anti Gay hate crime in the US
Is the situation for gays ideal in Russia. I’m sure it is not but neither is it in the US or Europe or here in NZ for that matter.
The issue here is not how gays are faring in Russia. The issue here is that we are overwhelmed with propaganda making us feel like we are the good guys and the Russians the bad guys. I always worry if and when that happens because the end result invariable is that people will die as a result.
How fascinating that the only mention of Brian M. Heiss on line, author of this white paper, is the “white paper” itself. I say “white paper” because it isn’t written like any white paper I’ve ever seen and more like an article for Gawker or InfoWars. Equally interesting is that Mr Heiss’ methodology is to compare reported hate crimes committed against LGBT people in Russia and the US according to the SOVA Center and the FBI as opposed to any independant analysis and is a statistically dubious if you were even just comparing two cities in the same country.
Anti gay hate crime in the US is not the topic, systemic and institutional LGBTQ people by the Russian state is. Perhaps you should actually talk to some LGBTQ Russians rather than cherrypick bullshit.
DNFTTT
No, actually there is a facebook page and a twitter account too and if we’re talking how gays are being treated we should so in every country, not just the enemy du jour who needs to be vilified.
Fill ya boots.
http://equaldex.com/
Joe90, great link!
And about the expressing myself as a crazy conspiracy nutter? They would love nothing better than that. Which is why I use the freedom to express myself like there is no tomorrow, In fact there might not be what with the Americans beginning to resemble the NAZI’s more and more every day.
So the tinfoil hat and a Godwin it is
Actually it would be more things like that in the 21st century when Aboriginal Australians are making their own doccumentaries I don’t see why a middle class white guy should be taking it upon himself to direct their narrative. Nor do I appreciate his whole “marriage equalisation is a bourgeois distraction from Chelsea Manning” – and he did rather ignore the whole transgender angle. I really don’t like his blindly reflexive defense (cough cough blame the victim cough) of Julian Assange (I think it’s possible to praise Assange’s work while decrying his tendency to be a smug misogynist douchenozzle) – and this despite losing all the bail money he put down when Assange, as all innocent people do, inflicted himself on the hospitality of Ecuador’s ambassador to London.
But yes, I am pissed off by Pilger’s ignorance of the Ukraine matter – has he ever been to Ukraine? Does he know any Ukrainians? I regularly discuss the issue with my Ukrainian and Russian friends. Basically he’s so busy blaming the US (who certainly owns a portion of blame, no doubt) that he neglects entirely to mention the Budapest Accord (which Moscow is in flagrant violation of), he ignores any Russian perfidy in manipulating Ukraine’s politics (like, oh I dunno, puppet and kleptocrat Viktor Yanukovych). In blaming the woes of Islam on the US, he neglects the USSR’s invasion of Afghanistan, or Russia’s current atrocties in Chechnya. Nor is the US dragging us to war – they put up with North Korea, they certainly have no intentions of going toe to toe with a major nuclear power, and it’s not them that has troops occupying sovereign Ukraine territory. Also calling the current government of Ukraine neo-naz1s is ridiculous – yes Svoboda are a pack of far right nationalist bastards, but they are the smallest party in the coalition and about the only portfolio they control is agriculture.
Two little pieces of wisdom, my enemy’s enemy is merely my enemy’s enemy and nothing more than that, and my favourite quote from Emily Bronte:
“Conventionality is not morality. Self-righteousness is not religion. To attack the first is not to assail the last. To pluck the mask from the face of the Pharisee is not to lift an impious hand to the Crown of Thorns.”
Fair enough pop, good for you in punching out what you know and standing up for what you see and understand.
Here is how this small contingent in the Illegal Kiev dictatorship bought by the Nuland “Fuck Europe” Neocon faction (also a very small but powerful group) for a mere $ 5 billion thinks a democracy ought to work.
As opposed to just sending in troops when you don’t agree, eh? Nutter.
In the excellent piece by John Pilger there is a link to William Blum’s article which contains the following informative paragraph
http://williamblum.org/aer/read/128
So what’s the difference between that and the caviar line to Moscow?
Cunliffe doing the Q&A thing on Facebook from 7pm.
And Key answers question from voters live on Campbell live at 7pm tonight.
Or what really happened was John Key avoided giving any answers but managed an “Its all Labours Fault” line. What a fraud!
All up about 8 minutes of drivel!
Cunliffe’s budget speech was brilliant. John Key’s speech stupid & sneering trying to be the David Letterman to his sycophants sitting beside him. He is an awful role model for young kiwis.
Key’s concern that Cunliffe is a better more competent person is showing through in his psychospeech.
All the comments here deserve some attention, but the problem is, the wider public do not read here, never visit her, and will not give any consideration what valued or less valued commentators state on The Standard.
I am afraid, and I am not happily afraid, that with today’s budget, the election 2014 has been decided, and that Labour may as well fold up their tents, no matter how nice David Cunliffe may be as a person.
Fact is: The Nats STOLE Labour’s most valuable policies, like extended parental leave and also by offering some more free health care for young children, plus a few other bits here and there. This budget was an “election year budget”, and it was designed to convince middle class young and not so young families, and those wanting to get there, to vote National.
The only chance Labour will have to challenge the Nats now is on housing, and perhaps the economy, but that latter topic will be too hard to debate on, as no matter how much the government uses basic, simple economics, the results will be perceived as OK for most voters.
Many voters will also not dare to take risks re a change in economic planning, they rather stick with the fossil fuel deal, and renege on a Labour Green option, as that will be something they are not familiar with and is perceived as too “tricky”.
Welfare will be a “no go issue” for Labour and Greens, so nothing will change there. All other topics, including finance, will only be rather marginal given Labour’s and even the Green’s rather conservative approaches.
It is now all over, I fear, this election will not offer a change, it is a done deal, unless something totally unexpected, like a scandal will happen.
I am sorry, I wish it was different, but I see the pretty under-qualified, divided and unconvincing Labour caucus the worst that any larger party ever had prior to running an election campaign. They are not fit for the challenge.
Labour, Cunliffe and the rest, you are “done”! Get another job, as the future may be taken over by a totally new political movement.
Mike TSO
You may like to see someone else’s opinions of each parliamentary member, and see how they compare to yours.
Go into Google and search under – denis o’rourke Maori gangs
then look for Roll Call 2013 – Trans Tasman Newsletter.
This is the home page – http://transtasman.co.nz/home/
This is NOT about gangs, it is about policy, right or wrong.
Mike the Savage One
You have not even looked at the link I put up which is not about gangs they were just part of the search phrase. I won’t bother with you. You are a waste of time.
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Yep . . . tr0ll, alright. I think this was the narrative s/he was seeking to insert . . .
. . . the lie upon which it was vectored is the suggestion that The Standard is not read by a sufficient number of people to make any difference. We inhabitants are, apparently, wasting our time. The comment then seeks to define the debate upon which National Ltd™ can be challenged . . .
Labour can challenge National Ltd™ over the performance of any government portfolio because all have performed poorly. Education, Police, Health, ACC, EQC, IRD, WINZ, Justice . . . oh, and Environment. Don’t forget John Key’s “responsibilities” – shall we start with the appointment of his old mate Ian Fletcher as GCSB boss?
It turns out that the GCSB has been involved in the illegal spying of individuals around the world. Such is the nature and scope of this spying, New Zealand’s international standing is taking a battering. Gone now is the idea that New Zealand is an “honest player” on the international stage, now we are just Barack Obama and Warner Brothers’ pacific bumboy. Now, if any other group or individual were to blacken New Zealand’s name so thoroughly on the international stage, the GCSB would be investigating the hell out of them. Kinda ironic.
Social welfare is actually a MUST GO area for the Greens and Labour. Nothing may change until September so by the time we get there the opposition has a duty to inform New Zealand of what National Ltd™ has done.
All in all, IMNSHO, the comment is a semi-slick attempt at reinforcing the notion that “National Ltd™ is going to stroll in, you might as well shut up now and stay at home in September”.
I expext we will get more of these sorts of tr0lls as we get closer and closer to the electon. Some of them have money riding on it and think they can game the system by employing there mate’s PR firm.
Thanks BLIP you made sense of that ridiculous mishmash. It sounded or was meant to, like a concerned younger voter trying to ‘analyse this’, but not well.
But the number of comments scattered all over yesterday by this trial was a clue.
It must be a fun job allocated to various boys and girls hanging around the places of power, influence and money with notes being compared on who did the best writing job. It helps to have read about how the anti-Castro and USA government agents mounted covert attacks on him. Once you know the extent that people will go to, the mindset required can be understood better.
I was thinking, the confusing and constant number of trials raining down on the left could be compared to the Windows system in WW2 with the intention of misleading and confusing the opposition.
Wikipedia – WINDOW was the code name for small metallised strips, like tin foil, designed to be dropped in bundles from RAF bombers. The result was a gently drifting cloud of metallic strips that created confusing signals on German radar screens and concealed the position of the actual bombers.
BLIP
I think your lists and links compiled about this era of our political history is an extraordinary effort and a valuable resource and you should some time soon think of offering it to some august ivory tower NZ university political science library. For the aforementioned reasons.
Many prominent commentators on this site castigate the government for the borrowing it has undertaken over the last 6 years to maintain services, and avoid austerity measures given the collapse in revenue that began in the 2008 Budget. We had the latest farce today, parodying John Key for his fiscal record (“John Key’s Surplus”).
These commentators, such as the author of that earlier post, laughably castigate the Government for its fiscal record (which is the envy of the OECD). Yet at the same time they propose higher government spending, and typically oppose every measure the government has introduced to restrain public expenditure.
So here is yet another example of delusion or hypocrisy. It is a joke. You are either a pathological liar or you are talking the piss.
[lprent: Don’t do diversion trolls on posts. This had nothing to do with the post apart from a wee wank at the end. I have already banned two people today for 4 weeks or more for doing that. I’d have little compunction in doing a few more. Moved to Open Mike. ]
No srylands, it is you who is “talking the piss” (whatever that is …) with this comment … “castigate the government for the borrowing it has undertaken over the last 6 years to maintain services and avoid austerity,”
The government is castigated for borrowing $50billion for things like …
Tax cuts for the rich at $1.2billion per annum (7.2billion total).
Allocating 0.4billion to dairy farmers for irrigation.
Fraudulently giving $1.8billion to SCF investors.
Those alone add up to 9.4billion, or about 20% of the borrowing. That is not to maintain services, that is to help out their rich mates.
Go back to your plastic buckets.
Hey, srylands pulled his comment after my reply …. typical… what a chicken – bok bok, talking absolute shite as per usual.
stupid plastic chicken man bucket toss
oh there it is … that was weird ….
Looks LPrent doing some administering 😈
I moved a comment that was off topic, then saw you had replied to it. So moved those as well.
Srylands or
“Scry to Heaven Lands”, whatever the name, I hope you do not refer to any of my posts, I am actually a Labour and LEFT supporter, just a bit disappointed about how things are going. It would be extremely FRIVOLOUS and NAUGHTY for any National Party fan brigade member as yourself, or any other below average intellectually capacitated “member” of the now ruling government to presume that the elections is a “foregone conclusion”.
The very evident lack of insight, enlightenment and intellect of your humble comment here give extreme courage to any alternative forces in NZ politics to take a different, more pro active and constructive approach, be this economic, social or other, which you may not even be capable of dreaming of.
So please crawl back into your snails house and be quiet, we are in the process of evolution in political terms, to develop a better government for New Zealand, which this country desperately needs!
By the way, there may yet be some REAL surprises coming this election or after, we do not have to settle with what we have now.
https://twitter.com/fakeedbutler/status/466752993681887232/photo/1
Yeah, I know, it’s about Australia but it may as well be here.
meanwhile
http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/newzealand
RIGHT back to bed now, before you get nightmares, ok?! And take your pills too, otherwise we may have to call the cops.
The NZ Government does not need to source NZ dollars, dollars that it itself can print, via interest bearing loans from foreign investors and foreign banks.
Why are we putting our nation in hock to the Chinese, the Saudis, the Germans, the Australians etc. in order to secure NZ dollars for our government to spend. It is ludicrous.
Thomas Piketty on capital, labour, growth and inequality.
http://www.ippr.org/juncture/juncture-interview-thomas-piketty-on-capital-in-the-twenty-first-century
Just been digging my way through the costs on the site at mid-month (ie looking for anything that is costing too much), when I noticed the amount of data going out of the public interfaces of the site at present.
15 days ~= 44 GB in, 475 GB out from Sydney. There is a bit of data transferring to other nodes ~26GB as well which would have been for overseas readers. But it does show how suppressed spambots must be feeling as that used to be about 75% of the aussie/nz load and most of the over seas text volumes was from bots. They get pretty rate limited these days (ie less than 10 pages per minute with a 2 hour lockout unless they are google, feedburner, or the national library). I suspect they are finding other sites to pester.
That bandwidth is now our major cost, so I expect I’ll have to look at ways to reduce that.
Now get this. That mostly isn’t the images or css or javascript. They are handled by the cdn, which has handled about 5 million requests almost all from Sydney, most of which would have said 304 (??) – you already have it. The cdn system separately sent a mere ~25 GB of data out, so most of the clients already had those images so didn’t get to get a fresh copy (you have to love caching) unless the cdn “image” had changed (seldom) or their client side expiry date was reached..
So those GB’s are pretty much all the text on the page, the bit that dynamically changes. A large part of that is the comments are coming in faster. We hit 700k comments on March 6. Now we are already at 732k and the pace is picking up.
Looks like the new level of web servers is working well. They seem to be a lot faster at processing and sending the pages.
Damn good thing too. At present it looks like the month will be at least 15% and probably closer to 20% higher than last month for page views and visits. Looks like election season has definitely arrived.
This time we don’t have a rugby world cup around as a distraction. In 2011 we we just over 300k page views in July, August, September, then just over 400k in October, and over 500k in November when the election happened. Essentially a 2 month election campaign that definitely favoured the incumbent.
In 2011 National just managed to scrape together a coalition with essentially no votes to spare. Since then the Maori party has been imploding, I rather think Act is dead, Dunne looks shaky, and who in the hell would want Crazy Colin as an electorate MP? Even National voters will balk at that.
And this time around, the characteristic sharp sustained election rise is apparently happening nearly 5 months earlier. I don’t think that they’re going to be so lucky this time.
Intresting lprent. The steam engine is building up pressure. I’m a railway fan. Time to change the points.
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http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-does-the-u-s-look-like-after-3-meters-of-sea-level-rise/
On news that expected future sea level rise could be 3 metres.
Previously once when discussing climate change with Lynn Prentice lprent made the flippant comment, “I’m all right I live on a ridge.”
I told him he had better invest in storm shutters then.
In fact he should prepare for his ridge to be wiped clean.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/hurricanes-move-away-from-equator-with-expanding-tropics1/
And this impending disaster is likely to arrive much faster than sea level rise.
And still the government he wants, wants to allow deep sea oil drilling, fracking and more new coal mines?
It is hard to get a straight answer out of them, but it seems that this is still the case.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10822510