Open mike 22/02/2025

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  1. gsays 1

    For anyone having issues posting comments I've cracked the code.

    From a phone, enter the letters ziryry in box underneath the 'Submit Comment ' box. Remove the 3.0.

  2. gsays 2

    So now we have to trust who the supermarkets trust…

    I object to this level of surveillance especially when the 'guardrails' seem non existent.

    There should be a massive fine for Foidstuffs to pay and a surveillance stand down of a few months while we get some checks and balances.

    I expect the libertarians in parliament to make a song and dance over this eggregious invasion.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360590442/foodstuffs-confirms-security-staff-leaked-golriz-ghahraman-photo-amid-new-privacy-breach

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360590442/foodstuffs-confirms-security-staff-leaked-golriz-ghahraman-photo-amid-new-privacy-breach

    • Bearded Git 2.1

      Not good enough. Boycott Pak n Slave.

      I wonder who else was involved-I think we should be told.

    • Ad 2.2

      Try Moore Wilson's in Wellington.

      It'll set you back but the pastries and cheeses are superb.

    • AB 2.3

      It's a warning to the HR departments of large organisations that your IT and tech teams more generally might be a swamp of young and not so young men with pathologically far-right views that originate from their delusion that understanding something about tech makes them superior to others and instantly knowledgeable about the whole world. Musk' s DOGE goons are only the latest manifestation of an old phenomenon. HR departments should be aware of the reputational risk this poses to their organisations.

    • Stephen D 2.4

      Guarantee someone was paid to do the leak.

    • David 2.5

      This is a shocking breach of privacy and trust. Business collect a huge amount of information from their customers. I work in the finance and banking sector, it is drummed into all employees from day one. Certainly the operators of the supermarket must be held to account, not just the employees concerned.

  3. Patricia Bremner 3

    So they harassed her while she was shopping making it look bad, then leaked the results. Who received the information? That is two parties misusing a system. The recipient passed it as well, so should face some penalty.

    Golriz deserves our sympathy. Perhaps fewer customers may make a point to Foodstuffs about this system and the vetting of security personnel, as any system is only as good as those using it and the rules being strictly applied.

    Somewhere I saw it reported a certain restaurant owner was involved as the initial recipient, and that it was passed to Police. That aspect should be investigated thoroughly and similar penalties applied imo.

  4. Obtrectator 4

    The police did their bit as well:

    “The item taken was valued at less than $40,” police said in a statement in January.

    The item hadn't actually been "taken" at that point, not even to checkout!

    [Note: the "Reply" feature still isn't working properly. My attempted answer to comment #2 above came back with a message saying something like "Rejected because it is spam".]

  5. Obtrectator 5

    …. and there doesn't seem to be an edit/delete option offered any more, either.

  6. weka 6

    Can’t see the need for a boycott of the supermarket (at least not over this 😈), they fired the security guard who leaked the photo.

    That she hadn’t left the store but was accused by supermarket staff is not ok though and the supermarket needs to front up on that.

    Patricia, I would guess the photo went to the media, it’s a shame that Stuff didn’t explain but it probably protects her privacy.

    • gsays 6.1

      Why not get an organiser boycott going?

      Here's couple of reasons why.

      Network building and strengthening.

      Practicing people power. When we see the power balance shift when we remove or defer our $.

      The unifying strength of a group of people. The morale or belonging is tremendous.

      This is readily transferrable to other causes as we see fit-pushing back at councils for their decisions, CC actions…

      To punish a foreign corporation for being too laissez faire with our data.

      • weka 6.1.1

        I like boycotts, for the reasons you name.

        This is a matter of strategy. You would be asking people to give up their routines around feeding themselves, that's core to many people. What is the cause? A wealthy ex MP from a small political party who's been convicted of shoplifting (not food but posh frocks). Not the cause, but how it will be perceived. Even the actual cause, leaking an instore CCTV still (about a shoplifter!), isn't something most people are going to care that much about.

        For a boycott to be effective, you need mass buy in. I can't see that happening over this.

        • Bearded Git 6.1.1.1

          The Greens regularly poll 10-14% now. "Small" they are not.

        • gsays 6.1.1.2

          One person's "A wealthy ex MP from a small political party " is another's female, refugee fighter for human rights.

          • weka 6.1.1.2.1

            of course.But my guess is that outside of GP voters and supporters (and not all of those), there aren't that many people that would give up their grocery routines for this cause. What % of the population needs to take part of a boycott to be effective?

            • weka 6.1.1.2.1.1

              I'm also wondering how stupid Ghahraman has to be to put things in her bag after having a shoplifting conviction. Lots of people will assume she was shoplifting again. This is not a useful rallying point.

    • gsays 6.2

      "..they fired the security guard who leaked the photo."

      That is woefully inadequate. No disrespect to security guards meant.. they are at the bottom of the chain. There are white collar folk who argue for and implement this intrusive surveillance.

      There will be managers of the security firm contracted to provide security. Are their training and vetting processes up to scratch?

      As Patricia says there are a lot of unanswered questions and firing a security guard is nowhere near enough accountability.

      • weka 6.2.1

        It wasn't clear to me if the security guard that got fired was part of a firm, or was an independent contractor.

        The issue I see is the leaking of the photo. And auto sending the photo to the police. I also think accusing someone of shoplifting before they've left the shop is not ok. But beyond that are you saying that supermarkets shouldn't be using camera surveillance?

        • gsays 6.2.1.1

          Not so much not using camera surveillance, more, if a big company is going to harvest our biometric data, then there have to be serious and onerous conditions and they need to be enforced. Eye-watering consequences when they are in breach of those conditions.

          I take my Mum shopping each fortnight and on the rare occasion we do the self checkout at Countdown, and I have bought a few items too, the machine locks up, accuses us of theiving and an assistant has to come and investigate and unlock till.

  7. weka 7

    Lprent is aware of the commenting and format issues, but didn’t have time to sort it out yesterday. I expect it will be resolved soon.

    • lprent 7.1

      Looks like it was a single post coming from Greater Auckland. It had some kind of graphic listed as its image. I have changed them to a priority bus default logo and set it to always be on.

      About to test the new router.

  8. Tony Veitch 8

    We live in an upside down political world – an Orwellian, dystopian crazy place.

    James O'Brian, a UK talkback host, discusses, or at least, ponders what Keir Stammer should say to Donald Trump – the truth, and face a backlash, or lick his arse to keep on the right side of the most powerful and irrational man in the world.

    The same sort of questions could be put to our CEO, though we all know, in advance, what his position will be (and to a large extent, totally understandably) – tell Trump the truth and crash our economy, or tell him how great he is and only get 25% tariffs?

    15 mins long.

  9. dpalenski 9

    In terms of an Economist views you want to hear on Trump's it's properly Steve Keen's

    • tWig 9.1

      The same people who believe in economic theories completely unsupported by real-world data, eg, 'free trade', are the ones who criticise Māori observation of the natural world, and associated language and framing as unscientific.

  10. SPC 10

    I think he is mostly wrong.

    He is right that inclusion in the first world market as more than a resource supplier is advantageous for other nations.

    Their comparative advantage is lower cost/cheaper labour society. Inclusion in that market allows industrialisation – foreign investment/access to industrial tool.

    He is right that global capital is advantaged by access to this labour supply. Thus the result of greater returns to those with capital.

    But he ignores the returns to (western workers) boomers made on savings for retirement. Of course some nations – did better out of this an others (we through the NZSF and KiwiSaver were late to this).

    The extent to which nations (relatively) benefit from changes that grow the entire global market is based on how they act/apply policy domestically. And how that international trade was/is regulated.

  11. SPC 11

    US Senators (bi-partisan group) with a different approach to that of Trump.

  12. SPC 12

    The GOP say who they are.

    The US government bought weapons from US companies (US jobs and corporate profits) and now want the Ukraine to cede land and pay back the USA for the aid.

    They do not mention aid from European nations to Ukraine – some of which involved transfer of US made weapons and replacement of their stocks with new purchases.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360590554/ive-had-it-trump-admits-russia-attacked-ukraine-he-blames-zelensky-biden

  13. Tony Veitch 13

    Re 9 above: what Keen seems to be saying (he speaks so fast with a bewildering array of images etc) is that we cannot leave it up to the free market to decide what is best, because it will always go for the least costly, most profitable option, which may not be in the best interests of their country of origin.
    We need, in fact, government intervention, and on a massive scale, a la China, to get the best outcomes.
    Is Keen suggesting the age of neoliberalism is over?

    • gsays 13.1

      Tony, I've found (on an Android) that long hold on reply, 'open in new tab', then you can reply to a person's comment.

    • tWig 13.2

      He's claiming neo-lib economics in relation to trade is unscientific and not evidence-based.

      • gsays 13.2.1

        Yep my half arsed view on neo-liberal economics, globalism is that it's only to suit capitalists.

        Eg we (apparently) pay a global price for cheese because globalism. Absolutely no mention of a global wage. Pay parity with Aussies would be a great place to start

      • dpalenski 13.2.2

        Yeah. I do admit the way Steve goes about his videos, he isn't trying to convert people who only understand Neoclassical economics. You kind of have to somewhat understand other economics theories.

        Confession, I was subbed before I posted the video

        So kind funny whoever is managing the channel was juicing the algo to show up for US libs that wanted:

        1. Orange Man Bad!
        2. Orange Man Tariffs Bad!

        And instead got

        Orange Man tariffs won't work but…

    • dpalenski 13.3

      Looks it's fixed now I'll repost the comment here too:

      Tony that’s my understanding too. He’s not saying the tariffs by themselves will work like Trump does. Basically, countries need some kind of industrial policy and not leaving it all to market forces. The age of neoliberalism is over, but I said in another OP comment we don’t have a popular alternate to neoliberalism yet.

  14. dpalenski 14

    Tony that’s my understanding too. He’s not saying the tariffs by themselves will work like Trump does. Basically, countries need some kind of industrial policy and not leaving it all to market forces. The age of neoliberalism is over, but I said in another OP comment we don’t have a popular alternate to neoliberalism yet.

  15. SPC 15

    Tariffs on China would work in the sense that, if applied selectively, jobs would transfer to other suppliers to the western market.

    That said, China is facing a demographic decline and outsourcing low tech/low reward production should be part of its future plan – part of moving to new tech (solar panels/EV/AI/robotics). Little wonder it wants Taiwan (most advanced research in chips) incorporated.

    Sanctions on Japan by the USA led to war. Blocking Chinese access to Taiwan's advanced chips is on point here.

    For now, the Taiwanese company is building production offshore in the USA and Europe (to secure its independence ability to continue to supply to the western market sans a takeover by China).

    The USA-Russia Ukraine deal might lead to another one on Taiwan. GOP fascists seeking continental partners to co-rule the world.

    • SPC 15.1

      The best we can hope for.

      The EU stands by Ukraine.

      The EU negotiate a cease-fire, in return for inviting the American forces to leave Europe and be replaced by EU ones in the Baltic, Poland etc.

      The EU offering to withdraw from NATO, in return for security guarantees from Russia and a settlement as per Ukraine.

      The orange one needs to be quarantined by the grown-ups.

      • Ad 15.1.1

        Optimum optimistic.

        Will Europe really generate a strong EU alternative to NATO?

        • SPC 15.1.1.1

          If only Poland and Czechoslovakia had stood together.

          Poland with EU troops and Ukraine (with an input of volunteers as per Russians in the Donbass 2014).

          • aj 15.1.1.1.1

            2022:

            'DiEM25 has a plan for peace in Ukraine'

            https://diem25.org/diem25-has-plan-for-peace-ukraine/

            Yanis VaroufakisToday:

            "Back then, we were denounced as Putin's handmaidens but the warmongers propagating the illusion of a Ukrainian victory. Today, DiEM25's 2022 Peace Plan maybe less feasible, as Ukraine is in a much weakened position (courtesy of the ridiculous policy of going for victory). But it remains a good foundation for a Just Peace that will allow Ukraine to rebuild without handing over its assets to Trump or becoming the stomping ground of several foreign armies"

            https://x.com/yanisvaroufakis/status/1892138872265404704

  16. Tony Veitch 16

    Ah, Jonathan Pie – telling it like it really is! (But not if you're easily offended by foul language!!). 5.47 mins long.

  17. SPC 17

    The harm Elon Musk is doing because of the myth they could find the money for their tax cuts.

  18. Joe90 18

    They've arrived.

    /

  19. tWig 19

    Ooh look. UK anti-trans activists, and vocal anti-trans journalists, including JK Rowling think Trump is fantastic, and a feminist icon. Trump, the (final) solution for woke everything.

    ‘Though trans-exclusionary feminism originated with a subset of radical American feminists in the 1970s, Lewis notes that the ideas found little support in the US beyond a tiny fringe of eco-feminists and the explicitly anti-feminist religious right. Anti-trans thinking survived and thrived in the UK, however, becoming part of establishment feminism, only to be “exported back to the US in the 21st century like an unholy boomerang”, she says.’

    [Full link for those that found it difficult to see:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/21/sophie-lewis-feminism-far-right%5D

    [please don’t misrepresent the politics of political figures to readers. It distorts the debate, and makes the left look like fools. Alwyn has addressed the claim that JKR thinks Trump is fantastic below and provided evidence to the contrary. I’ll also respond in a comment with reference to what she was saying in the original tweets – weka]

    • joe90 19.1

      First they came for the trans…..

      /

      https://sfba.social/@alfredtwu/113506987706901341

      JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (KTVI) – Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey (R) has filed a lawsuit against Starbucks, claiming the international coffee chain has violated federal and state anti-discrimination laws.

      In a lawsuit formally filed Tuesday, Bailey claims the company engaged in race-and-sex-based hiring practices, unlawfully segregated employees and offered certain training and employment benefits exclusively to select groups.

      […]

      The filing, citing employment data from 2020 and 2024, asserted that Starbucks’ workforce has become “more female and less white” over time. Bailey contends that the coffee chain uses quotas to shape its workforce and board of directors, arguing that its policies disadvantage other employees.

      https://thehill.com/business/5140951-missouri-attorney-general-sues-starbucks-anti-discrimination-laws/

      • weka 19.1.1

        how revisionist. They've been dismantling abortion rights since 2016.

        • Visubversa 19.1.1.1

          And today's so called "Trans Rights" activists are preaching an ideology which is at its base and its heart homophobic and misogynistic. They have battened onto the Gay Rights movement like giant ticks, hid behind our flag and stolen the good name we spent the last century working for.

          • weka 19.1.1.1.1

            yep. And lol just seen the cartoon has free speech as one of the things falling later on. Not just the Americans that don't get irony.

    • alwyn 19.2

      " including JK Rowling think Trump is fantastic, ".

      Would you care to share your evidence for this claim? When I looked for it I found that she thought Trump was entitled, like everyone else, to freedom of expression. However she seems to think, in general, that Trump is an awful person.

      "JK Rowling has said that while she finds almost everything that Donald Trump says “objectionable”, he still has her full support to come to the UK and “be offensive and bigoted there”." and "his freedom to speak “protects my freedom to call him a bigot”, just as those critics who have claimed that she is trying to convert children to satanism with the Harry Potter books “are at liberty” to do so, and she is “free to explain that I’m exploring human nature and morality, or to say ‘you’re an idiot’, depending on which side of the bed I got out of that day”.

      https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/may/17/jk-rowling-defends-donald-trumps-right-to-be-offensive-pen-america

      She doesn't hesitate to defend herself against the people on the left who want to take away her freedom of speech.

      "Harry Potter author JK Rowling has hit back at Twitter users who threatened to burn her books following her criticism of President Trump."

      "Another Twitter user posted: "You're a grown ass woman whose entire career is based on stories about a nerd who turns people into frogs. Stay out of politics."

      Rowling responded "In – Free – Countries – Anyone – Can – Talk – About – Politics.

      "Try sounding out the syllables aloud, or ask a fluent reader to help."

      https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-38842695

      Now where, apart from your imagination do you get the idea that she thinks highly of Trump?

    • weka 19.3

      mod note.

  20. tWig 20

    And Vance thought the same of Trump in 2016. But if someone delivers your wishlist…no matter how politically suspect…

    According to Rowling this January, it's a small portion of the vocal left's fault for decrying transphobia which resulted in Trump gaining power.

    On X, "Rowling's post included a photo of Trump surrounded by applauding female athletes as he held up the executive order he had just signed, as well as a message for "the left" who adamantly fought to allow biological males to compete in women's sports." https://www.yahoo.com/news/jk-rowling-mocks-left-trump-153855334.html

    From Lewis’s interview I quoted before:
    ‘Though there are thought to be fewer than 10 trans athletes among the more than half a million competing in college sports in the US, it was this sports-related executive order that prompted certain, trans-exclusionary feminists to declare Trump’s feminist bona fides.’

    Hate the sinner, love the sin.