Saving the world

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1. prism 1

   24 May 2013 at 9:35 am

   If we don’t act to save the world – we will get those who have variable standards taking over and there will be more and more lows and highs will vanish. Fascists like to use the country and people as a resource. Large Italian manufacturers were big supporters of fascism there in the 1930s.

   This is an interesting piece from Wikipedia on auctions where a country was reduced to being an estate to be sold off to the highest bidder. This happened in history where the army took over the Roman Empire.. Armies can have a few individual highs of courage and selflessness but overall they are interested in coercing, cowing, killing and conquering. So part of the low standards sector or vector.

   One of the most significant historical auctions occurred in the year 193 A.D. when the entire Roman Empire was put on the auction block by the Praetorian Guard. On March 23 The Praetorian Guard first killed emperor Pertinax, then offered the empire to the highest bidder. Didius Julianus outbid everyone else for the price of 6,250 drachmas per guard,[citation needed] an act that initiated a brief civil war. Didius was then beheaded two months later when Septimius Severus conquered Rome.[8]

   From the end of the Roman Empire to the eighteenth century auctions lost favor in Europe,[8] while they had never been widespread in Asia.[6]
   • Ugly Truth 1.1

     26 May 2013 at 2:02 pm

     The Roman Empire never really died, it’s religious base continued even as the emporer-pontiff was replaced by the pope. The Roman symbol of the eagle and the Christian religion was taken up by Germany (Luther’s protestantism), by Russia (Eastern orthodox), and by the United States.
2. ianmac 2

   24 May 2013 at 10:13 am

   Those in power just go ahead and “do it” without showing a moment of concern for the people who put them in power. And the apparent reaction of the people? Largely unconcerned/disconnected. What will it take to set fire to Public Opinion?
   • Ugly Truth 2.1

     26 May 2013 at 2:06 pm

     Knowledge of the issues is key. If people don’t know the reason for the problem then they are likely to waste time and energy or on workable solutions.
3. just saying 3

   24 May 2013 at 12:16 pm

   If anyone figures out what action ordinary people could take that would have some effect towards this end I’d be grateful if they’d let me know.

   edit: saving the world that is.
   • Ugly Truth 3.1

     26 May 2013 at 2:03 pm

     A tax embargo and re-establishing the common law hundred court.
4. Rich 4

   24 May 2013 at 12:51 pm

   Also: “mate, if I was you I’d get one of those nuke things before the Nazis do”
   • Draco T Bastard 4.1

     24 May 2013 at 1:34 pm

     We’re human, not omnipotent gods. Some things we can see clearly only after the facts are in.
     • Rich 4.1.1

       24 May 2013 at 4:02 pm

       Actually making and using a bomb was the only thing the US could have done in the context of WW2. The blame for Hiroshima lies with the Japanese ruling classes for starting a war they couldn’t win.
       • Draco T Bastard 4.1.1.1

         24 May 2013 at 4:37 pm

         Actually making and using a bomb was the only thing the US could have done in the context of WW2.

         Don’t disagree.

         The blame for Hiroshima lies with the Japanese ruling classes for starting a war they couldn’t win.

         Or perhaps the US who seemingly pushed Japan to declare war.
         • prism 4.1.1.1.1

           24 May 2013 at 8:11 pm

           Or perhaps various factions in the USA were delaying on entering to really defend Britain with full support. And Japan attacking Pearl Harbour brought the situation to a head enabling the leaders of the USA who were pro-war to commit. And they had assessed that the Japanese ambitions would force the USA to act eventually, and they didn’t trust Hitler, and it was as well that pretence of neutrality by the USA be abandoned before the Japanese got larger control in the world.
5. ghostrider888 5

   24 May 2013 at 1:54 pm

   “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.

   The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it’s limits.

   It is easier to denature plutonium than to denature the evil spirit of man.

   Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character.

   Small is the number of people who see with their eyes and think with their minds.

   Strenuous intellectual work and the study of God’s nature are the angels that will lead me through all the trouble of this life with consolation, strength and uncompromising rigour.

   The high destiny of the individual is to serve rather than to rule.

   He who cherishes the values of culture cannot fail to be a pacifist.”

   -Albert Einstein
6. jaymam 6

   24 May 2013 at 2:15 pm

   Well if you are going to quote Einstein, a real Scientist:

   In the late 1970s, Freeman Dyson, the successor of Einstein himself at Princeton University, got involved with early research on climate change at the Institute for Energy Analysis in Oak Ridge, Tenn.

   That research, which involved scientists from many disciplines, was based on experimentation. The scientists studied such questions as how atmospheric carbon dioxide interacts with plant life and the role of clouds in warming.

   But that approach lost out to the computer-modeling approach favored by climate scientists. And that approach was flawed from the beginning, Dyson said.

   http://suyts.wordpress.com/2013/04/05/theres-intelligence-in-the-obvious-climatologists-are-no-einsteins-implies-dyson/
   • McFlock 6.1

     24 May 2013 at 2:21 pm

     I know for a fact that some atmospheric chemistry experimentation has been done in NZ in the last few years. Met a chap who was doing it at the time.
   • One Anonymous Knucklehead 6.2

     24 May 2013 at 2:26 pm

     Ooh, here’s Jaymam agog with the blinding revelation that models have flaws. Geez, it’s a good thing George Box never pointed out that all models are wrong but some are useful, or Jaymam would simply look like an ignorant tool with less than no idea what he’s mumbling about.

     No, wait…
   • Murray Olsen 6.3

     24 May 2013 at 3:19 pm

     No computer model can be better than the understanding of the system under consideration by those who made the model. Climate science involves experiment, observation, and modelling. The understanding is continually improving, except by the deniers, who mostly just make stuff up.
     Any experiments on global climate can only be very limited by definition, since we only have one globe to work with and we don’t have control samples. We can at most do experiments with very limited pieces of the environment, although we can affect the whole global environment in an unplanned, uncontrolled and damaging way.

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