"Your claim is predicated on abortion killing a person..." My claim is predicated on abortion killing a human. Yes. That is what the science clearly demonstrates. "...but you’re still leaving a yawning logical chasm where your compelling argument for ...
"your earlier references? You mean the out-of-context extracts in the prolife propaganda that argued a whole human being is a single-celled organism?" Translation "I didn't know which references you meant, so I'll pretend I read one of tem and claim you ...
The mother is the best person to make a call about whether she will receive a state funded abortion and state funded after-care? The mother is the best person to make a call about taking a life that, in your world, would have zero advocacy? You have ...
...at least they get a choice. And a taxpayer funded abortion and support. The life taken received nothing. Not even your advocacy.
"If a given teacher is in fact trained why would they not seek registration?" Good question. The term 'trained' can be misleading (which is likely why KJT used it). Traditionally when someone claimed to be a 'trained' teacher, that would have been ...
When a life is taken without justification, it is killing. When a life is taken to assuage some distorted view of autonomy or entitlement, it is killing.
No, what I argue for is to allow children to flourish, as they are, away from state schools, if that is best for them. You are married to an ideology that appeases the unions over children's best interests. And given your claim to be some kind of 'expert',...
"But still nothing in the scientific dictionary that was so near to your hand when you looked up “life”." So you missed my earlier references? "Sans eyes, sans ears, sans brain, lungs, legs and every other organ of the human body, yet is a “whole human ...
"Says people who base their views on reality rather than pretense. " Really? Yet you don't even try to justify that assertion. "And “virtually indistinguishable” is a bit optimistic – that umbilical chord is a dead giveaway." That umbilical cord is what ...
What irony? There is no irony. Not in my argument.
"Children live outside their mothers’ bodies." Says who? A child of one hour old is virtually biologically indistinguishable from a child one hour from being born. "You’re arguing that you have the right to refuse bodily autonomy for an actually-existing ...
"So there’s no definition for “human” in that scientific dictionary, huh?" I don't know. But here, this may help you... http://www.dictionary.com/browse/human-being "a person, especially as distinguished from other animals or as representing the human ...
"Then perhaps you should have copied the “scientific definition” of “human” as well." You're the only one confusing humans with grass.
" “Living” like plants or fungus. Does grass have bodily autonomy?" We are discussing the ending of a human life, not grass.
" the whole late term abortion thing is a red herring." No, it isn't. It speaks to a number of aspects of this discussion. It particularly points out the huge ethical dilemma confronted by those who argue abortion is simply a matter of 'rights', and the ...
"Abortion is a medical procedure; all women need to to be able to access it as of right, if that’s what they choose." There is no 'right' to access abortion. There is no 'right' to take another life. "It isn’t my business – or that of anybody else – if a ...
"You think the Governance of the country should depend on who “wins” petty games?" No. That's what OAB thinks, apparently.
"Women have the right to make choices that affect the unborn foetus, irrespective of how one views that foetus. " Invoking 'right's when discussing taking the life of human being some rather entitled. No-one has the 'right' to take life. No-one. "This is ...
You are confused about the meaning of autonomy in this context. Autonomy is the right or capacity to make decisions about ones existence. We have an ethical tradition in which we protect those who have this right but not the capacity. My argument is simply...
The American Heritage Dictionary of Science: Life is “the form of existence that organisms like animals and plants have and that inorganic objects or organic dead bodies lack; animate existence, characterized by growth, reproduction, metabolism, and ...
"Which “science” in particular? " Moore, K. and T.V.N. Persaud. 1998. The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology (6th ed.), W.B. Saunders Company, Philadelphia. Larsen, W.J. 1998. Essentials of Human Embryology, Churchill Livingstone, New York. ...
We aren't discussing killing bacteria, though, are we?
The answer is based on how one views the foetus. That is my point. For example, if one backs the science, and views the foetus as a living human (at least at some stage of pregnancy, if not from conception), then that living human does have bodily autonomy...
Well said. I was not saying anyone here WAS viewing the unborn in either way I outlined, but many do. My point has been to respond to the idea that abortion is simply an issue of ‘bodily autonomy’ and ‘human rights’. If one takes the view that this is the ...
"I can view life as starting at conception and still believe that it’s the woman’s right to choose. " Ah yes, but that was not the point I was addressing. I was responding to Anon here https://thestandard.org.nz/labour-to-reform-abortion-law/#comment-...
We share a similar experience. But science tells us that that unborn child was life. Not potential life. Life.
I agree.
"That sounds more likely." Why would there be a judicial review? We have a government who is talking with forked tongues (or maybe it's just incompetence?), implementing poor policy to assuage a vested interest group who funds them, and riding roughshod ...
This issue really comes down to how you view the nature of life. If you view life as beginning at some point early inside the womb, then the 'human rights' and 'bodily autonomy' of the mother have to be weighed against the 'human rights' and 'bodily ...
"You’re always good for a laugh when you try to report what you think is reality." Find it yourself. It's publicly available now. It hasn't been suppressed, although on past form that would probably your preference, aye.
"Judicial review is all about right and wrong. Try again." Yes, but that's not your concern. Is it? Your concern is pure ideology, and you'll support lies and deception to achieve it.
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