Down the club

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1. Delma 1

   26 May 2008 at 9:49 pm

   What a jerk. As usual Farrar will claim he’s *really* talking about means-testing superannuation and it has nothing to do with Clark being a woman, and a childless one at that.

   Of course David’s readership knows exactly what he’s saying. They make that abundandtly clear in the sexist comments that follow.
2. James Kearney 2

   26 May 2008 at 9:51 pm

   He’s hat-tipped Whaleoil. I think that says it all.
3. Benodic 3

   26 May 2008 at 9:55 pm

   I don’t think David Farrar cares about whether Helen Clark is a woman but his rabid readers do and he knows it. It’s a bit of raw meat for the activists, a chance whip up the base. Pretty standard stuff for an operator like DPF.

   The sad thing is deep down I think he’s actually a really nice guy. It’s the fact he knows better that bothers me the most.
4. Billy 4

   26 May 2008 at 9:57 pm

   “Down the club”? You’ve never actually met real a right winger, have you IB?
5. IrishBill 5

   26 May 2008 at 10:01 pm

   It’s a metaphor, Billy. Any thoughts on the actual topic of the post?
6. James Kearney 6

   26 May 2008 at 10:17 pm

   I find it interesting that video was part of the “Don’t Vote Labour” series. Remember National’s entire hope for getting elected relies not on their own merits but on making people dislike Labour.

   There’s no vision of their own, no policy to back it up, just constant running down of New Zealand and pathetic Tory jokes about Helen being childless.
7. Billy 7

   26 May 2008 at 10:20 pm

   Billy takes a puff on his cigar, adjusts his top hat and his monocle and then says: “No. This post seems a bit pointless to me.”

   Catchpa: rampant community.
8. roger nome 8

   26 May 2008 at 10:20 pm

   God, first the infamous “Danish boobs” post, and now this? Poor David. He really doesn’t have a clue does he? And he says that most of his close friends are women. With this kind of stunt you’ve got to wonder.
9. IrishBill 9

   26 May 2008 at 10:35 pm

   Billy, using humour to deflect real comment only works if you are funny. Luckily for you you are. Bill doffs cloth cap, draws on pipe and prepares to go to bed to read Marx’s collected journalism and dream of socialist utopia. G’night.
10. Tane 10

    26 May 2008 at 10:49 pm

    Bill, that Marx’s collected journalism any good? I heard the interview on Doug Henwood’s show and it sounded interesting, but it sounds like the sort of thing you probably have to import. They didn’t have a copy down at Johnsonville PaperPlus.
11. burt 11

    26 May 2008 at 11:08 pm

    Lots of families all having lots of families all paying no tax, hows that going to work?

    captcha: Lebanon noted
12. AncientGeek 12

    26 May 2008 at 11:44 pm

    burt: And what on earth does that have to do with the post?

    Diversion perhaps? So tell me, what do you think of DPF’s & Whales’s post? Good, bad or ugly?
13. dad4justice 13

    27 May 2008 at 6:52 am

    [Tane: Dad, too far. Take a week off.]
14. Coaster 14

    27 May 2008 at 7:28 am

    I’ve never commented before. But after that, I have to!

    Dad – As a proud West Coaster, i just want to say – Get Over It! ‘Distraught Children’? Yeah, rite!

    It was, like a hundred years ago and, if the only Coasters that Helen Clark has met are like you, then it’s no wonder that she thought we were all ‘feral inbreds’.
15. dad4justice 15

    27 May 2008 at 7:35 am

    Hey Coaster do you want the various affidavits from school teachers from Buller that I have collected? Thought not and I do savour the day she is in the dock.
16. higherstandard 16

    27 May 2008 at 8:01 am

    IB

    Don’t know why you’re so sensitive about this the Prime Minister quite obviously meant that eventually the baby boomer generation is going to need someone to keep NZ society going once they are past the point of working. I don’t think she’d give a damn that someone’s made a video of her.

    The way she put it however did leave her open to ridicule as the thought of others children paying for her pension which she is most unlikely to require after so many years in parliament along with its overly generous super plan.

    PS Marx’s collected journalism are you still hoping for the dawn of the communist state in New Zealand ?
17. IrishBill 17

    27 May 2008 at 8:09 am

    HS, I’m sure Helen can cope with a Slater video but I’m sick of the misogyny of the right as it signals to women in general that they are not welcome in politics.

    Marx’s collected journalism was a joke. You may be surprised to know I don’t wear a cloth cap and smoke a pipe either.
18. higherstandard 18

    27 May 2008 at 8:22 am

    But I had such a clear picture of you in my head with a thick Irish brogue, a pipe and cloth cap frothing invective at management… you’ve ruined it all for me.

    Re misogyny of the right I think it’s unfair to tar everyone who votes towards National and Act as a misogynist there’s just as many who vote for the left.
19. r0b 19

    27 May 2008 at 8:32 am

    OK, that’s well over the line. I nominate d4j for some time out.

    [Tane: Fair point r0b, I usually just scan over D4J’s comments without reading them, bit this has crossed the line. Dad, have a week off.]
20. dad4justice 20

    27 May 2008 at 8:34 am

    I am talking about debating skills r0b, why try and twist things? Why does the left always silence critics by dishonest tactics for effect.
21. r0b 21

    27 May 2008 at 8:50 am

    “Debating skills” is “sort the bitch in 2 seconds flat” is it D4. Yeah right.

    I am not one of those who attack you as a person, and I think the editors are right to let you continue to post here (on probation). But you should stay well clear of posting anything that looks like filth or threats of violence.
22. TomS 22

    27 May 2008 at 9:07 am

    Sometimes the mask slips from David Farrar carefully cultivated self image of an avuncular fellow who just happens to have some unfortunate commentators in his comments section and the reality – that he fancies himself as the National parties answer to Karl Rove – appears. And he can’t have it both ways. Having dismissed people who qualify for WFF as “breeders” – http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/calculating_tax_cuts.html – he then sets his online Brown Shirts (yes, thats exactly what they are) out onto the virtual streets to beat up on Helen Clark for being childless.
23. illuminatedtiger 23

    27 May 2008 at 9:15 am

    I make no apologies for anything I’ve said about these scummy people and their scummy behaviour. This kind of crap is not on and credit goes to you guys for laying the boot into them!

    Also a message for dad4justice: Enjoy your one week holiday! 😉
24. djp 24

    27 May 2008 at 9:53 am

    I think you guys missed the boat. There is no mention of HC’s gender or whether she has children or not.

    The issue is that HC (as one the most highly paid people in NZ) wants to spend her final years on welfare.

    You guys seem to want to avoid this point?
25. Vanilla Eis 25

    27 May 2008 at 10:04 am

    djp: Farrar makes it quite clear that “she will be relying on… your children” in direct reference to the fact that she doesn’t have any children herself to pay tax while she’s retired.

    Tell me how you missed this?
26. IrishBill 26

    27 May 2008 at 10:11 am

    I figured the fact that the video was cut to repeat the phrase “I don’t have children” twice might have been a giveaway.
27. ak 27

    27 May 2008 at 10:12 am

    heh heh, thanks TomS – so parents are “breeders” eh?

    Fascinating insight into the Nat/Act psyche. I wonder if they make the logical progression and subconsciously recognise themselves as ageing steers and wethers – too old to be “eaters” and thus doomed as “culls”. Would explain the metaphorical roaring, charging about and indiscriminate spraying of urine over in Farrar’s rough block (and dad’s feral inbreeding!)
28. Vanilla Eis 28

    27 May 2008 at 10:17 am

    Good point IB: I never actually looked at the video. Clicking onto KB was enough to make me want a shower.
29. djp 29

    27 May 2008 at 10:28 am

    vanilla: HC was the one who specifically mentioned that she has no children. She was the one who said she will be relying on “your” children.

    But I dont really care who said she is childless or whatever (it seems to be a smokescreen on your part).

    The point is:
    She is one of the most highly paid people in NZ and she wants welfare

    Once again, it seems this is the point that people want to ignore on this blog.
30. Vanilla Eis 30

    27 May 2008 at 10:33 am

    djp: Indeed. Note that she has also paid tax on her considerable income. Would you deny Theresa Gattung welfare if she applied? I mean, she has probably paid more income tax than most people would earn in a lifetime. Or would you prefer that the money go solely to those that need it?

    *gasp*

    But that’s income redistribution!
31. djp 31

    27 May 2008 at 10:39 am

    vanilla: yes I would rather it go solely to those that need it.

    I would rather a limited “safety net” welfare state then a total “lifetime” welfare state.
32. uroskin 32

    27 May 2008 at 10:51 am

    How many children does Mr Farrar have?
33. Phil 33

    27 May 2008 at 4:05 pm

    “How many children does Mr Farrar have?”

    Slightly less than you do
34. Lew 34

    27 May 2008 at 5:03 pm

    If you can’t bag ’em on policy, bag ’em on something else. Just stay on-message and regular.

    Delma/Benodic: I think you’ve nailed it here. Farrar, to an extent, relies on his commenters to make him look moderate and reasonable, and generally I get the impression he is. But I can’t hold too much respect for anyone who tolerates or promotes this sort of stuff with such glee.

    L
35. Matthew Pilott 35

    27 May 2008 at 5:13 pm

    Phil – fewer… Slightly fewer children.

    DJP – what happened to paying taxes all your life (supporting the state) and retiring and being supported by the state. I guess that’s some filthy Red notion that should be abolished along with Eating Babies and Inheritance Tax.
36. QoT 36

    27 May 2008 at 10:52 pm

    I gotta say, guys, it warms my heart after a hard day’s being accused of Stupid Feminist Hysteria (TM) to see the classic, “IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HER BEING A WOMAN, THAT’S WHY SO MUCH ANTI-HC HUMOUR REVOLVES AROUND HER LOOKS AND FAMILY STATUS, HONEST!” defence being used in full seriousness. It’s even a bit funny, really, realising that some people actually BELIEVE that!
37. AncientGeek 37

    27 May 2008 at 11:04 pm

    Helen has a rather large cohort of nieces and nephews, cousins, and sisters. So for that matter does Peter. It is a fairly close set of families, just like mine.

    Now I don’t have kids myself either. But that has never seemed to stop me getting involved in family life. I always have people crashing on my couch, being called help deal with obnoxious teenagers, babysitting (including the disgusting nappies), bailing kids out of jail after being caught driving without documentation, getting hauled in to watch the little horrors at sport, etc etc. In short spending a lot of time helping raise other peoples kids.

    Clearly some of the dick heads on here have no close family or they’d know these things. I wonder why their brothers, sisters and cousin’s don’t want to use them?

    And by the way, I’ve seen Helen with the families kids. It isn’t that much different, she just has less time than Peter does (or I do for that matter).
38. Inventory2 38

    28 May 2008 at 7:52 pm

    I’m a bit late catching up with this one gents, but WhaleOil put together the video on the basis of an e-mail I sent to him on Friday morning.

    I posted about it then, here:

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2008/05/helen-clarks-new-low.html

    Read my post carefully. It is NOT an attack on Helen Clark’s childless state – I don’t, and won’t, go there. However it IS a criticism of Helen Clark’s attitude to everyday New Zealanders.

    Make no mistake. Helen Clark is a very affluent woman, who will retire from Parliament with the type of superannuation package that most of us could only dream of. And so she should. I would not have her, or any other politician’s job for quids. However, at a time when New Zealanders are hurting financially, it was a crass comment for her to make, and IMHO, she deserved to be called on it. And I reiterate – it was NOT an attack on her as a childless woman.

    For what it’s worth, here’s what she said again – judge for yourself:

    “I don’t have children, but thank God most people do , and they’re going to be looking after me in my old age.”
39. Robinsod 39

    28 May 2008 at 8:07 pm

    Yeah, that’s right bro – it’s about super. That’s why the video loops her saying she has no children twice and only runs the cut of her talking about retirement once. IV2 – you’re a smart man and a moral one. Don’t degrade yourself defending this shit. It’s embarrassing.
40. Tane 40

    30 May 2008 at 2:26 pm

    In case any of Farrar’s apologists didn’t get the message, it looks like his wingnut mates sure did:

    “I don’t have children”

    So why Helen do you think you know best when it comes to parenting and smacking??

    http://nzdebate.blogspot.com/2008/05/i-dont-have-children_26.html

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