Why was GCSB spying on Dotcom? Big business is watching you!

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1. BloodyOrphan 1

   2 October 2012 at 2:27 pm

   All that bootleg software in Russia left a stain on Kim Dotcom methinks.
   And we all know what the US thought of them for man many years.
2. insider 2

   2 October 2012 at 2:56 pm

   YOu forgot to mention the Bildebergers, the Rockefellers and the Seven Sisters…
   • Colonial Viper 2.1

     2 October 2012 at 3:27 pm

     except that this stuff is happening in our backyard, backed by agencies we call our own. Of course, Key, is part of the wider international bankster cartel.
3. Richard 3

   2 October 2012 at 3:01 pm

   I think you’ll find that Kim Dotcom was in fact about to blow the whistle on the Pentagon/Majestic-12’s new online espionage artificial intelligence. He had to be silenced. The truth is that he died in the raid on his house, and it has been an actor ever since.

   Wake up sheeple!
   • Colonial Viper 3.1

     2 October 2012 at 3:06 pm

     Yeah i figured this was what happened, thanks for the confirmation.
     • Ed 3.1.1

       2 October 2012 at 11:21 pm

       Perhaps the same explanation is relevant to John Key’s recent (past 4 years) behaviour as well . . .
4. blue leopard 4

   2 October 2012 at 3:05 pm

   “The GCSB’s value to police in the Dotcom raid was its expertise in managing top-secret data feeds so that New Zealand,”

   Interesting; and Mr Bull English couldn’t use this “top-secret data feed” to inform Mr Key of the document he signed?
5. blue leopard 5

   2 October 2012 at 3:08 pm

   The international surveillance network “…being used for intelligence related to promoting corporate interests.”

   This issue regarding the power that corporate interests have really needs to be addressed
   • marsman 5.1

     2 October 2012 at 3:50 pm

     Are our MSM ‘journalists’ onto this? Will any of the MSM toadies that accompany John Key on his Hollywood trip actually find out who he is meeting with and why?
     • karol 5.1.1

       2 October 2012 at 8:27 pm

       marsman, it seems to me the MSM are largely following Key’s lead and trying to contain with damage within quarantine limits. Key has also attempted to inoculate himself from criticism beyond that of the limited issues of law breaking by the GCSB and/or police by raising the “conspiracy” specter.

       So questions of mission creep (into corporate and commercial activities) never get raised by the MSM.

       But his latest response on the legal issue is that he doesn’t need to know every operation that the GCSB are involved in, if it doesn’t involve national security issues…..cause that would be, like, too autocratic of the PM….

       really? so if the GCSB is doing a bit of moonlighting – lending out their technology and expertise, say, to the US, FBI….. “No problem” as far as key is concerned….????
6. AmaKiwi 6

   2 October 2012 at 4:12 pm

   Two weeks after the Dotcom raid Obama held two private fundraising events in Hollywood (invitation only, no press). Price of admission: $39,000 USD per person!

   What a perfect made for Hollywood Obama fund raiser!

   At the time I was willing to bet the US would quietly drop the Dotcom case once the election was passed. 35 more days to go.
7. muzza 7

   2 October 2012 at 4:46 pm

   Must be “another conspiracy theory” eh bro’s…..

   They know all about you, and what you are up to!

   You know SFA, about them, or what they are up to!

   PS – Karol – fine work!
   • karol 7.1

     2 October 2012 at 8:30 pm

     Ah, well, muzza, an issue that rolls through the whole Dotcom affair is to do with privacy, surveillance, legitimate use of digital technologies etc.

     But of course Key et al don’t want to do that. Dotcom himself tends to raise some of the wider issues in a jokey, exaggerated fashion, within 130 characters. But maybe he knows no more than the rest of us about the role of US corporates and their political alignments.

     Just not enough transparency.
     • terryg 7.1.1

       2 October 2012 at 9:47 pm

       Karol, I’ll second muzza: fine work indeed.

       sadly, big brother won a few years ago, but people haven’t noticed yet. It was when hard drive density/cost dropped to the point that it becomes feasible to store everything, permanently. add to that the phenomenal progress in dealing with huge datasets, image recognition etc and we’re screwed.

       for those of you who aren’t paranoid yet, look how cool smartphones are:
       http://gizmodo.com/5947385/scary-new-malware-uses-your-smartphone-to-make-a-map-of-your-house-for-robbers
8. captain hook 8

   2 October 2012 at 4:58 pm

   this world is full of ghastly little creeps and snoops who find their home in security orgs prying on others.
9. AmaKiwi 9

   2 October 2012 at 5:08 pm

   @ muzza. It is NOT a conspiracy theory.

   I gave ONLY facts you could easily verify.

   These two fund raising events and their admission price are a matter of public record. They were reported as part of the battle for campaign bribes (correction, “contributions”) between the Democrats and Republicans. The fact that BOTH major parties spend a lot of time courting Hollywood for celebrity endorsements and big contributions is also an age-old well-known fact.

   “Follow the money.” (Deepthroat to Woodward while trying to uncover the Watergate conspiracy.)

   P.S. “Follow the money” is also a basic IRD tactic. It is also why Key is going to Hollywood except we are not sure if the Hollywood money will be only for the NZ economy or perhaps others, too.
   • muzza 9.1

     2 October 2012 at 5:18 pm

     Hi Ama – I think those who are familiar with some of my comments will realise that I was being /sarc.

     Hollywood = Propaganda machine, close “working relationships” with the military/intelligence communities, and behind all that of course you have the banking/financial systems.

     Its all the same control mechanism, that should be reasonably clear to all but the most challenged of minds!
     • AmaKiwi 9.1.1

       2 October 2012 at 8:34 pm

       Yup, missed that.

       The problem is there are conspiracy theories that would make a great spy movie but are contradicted by the facts. I don’t doubt the timing of the Dotcom raid was not a coincidence, coming a fortnight before the Obama’s invitation only Hollywood fund raisers. It might not be ethical, but it’s legal. It’s one of the huge advantages of being the incumbent.

       Only the team that’s behind wants a level playing field.
     • karol 9.1.2

       2 October 2012 at 8:43 pm

       Agreed, muzza. It’s not so much some carefully planned and orchestrated conspiracy (I’m not into those myself), as a load of loosely interconnected international networks, of power, wealth, and common interests

       I suspect it includes cronies, colleagues, and acquaintances, with similar attitudes and aims, who bend a little in each others’ direction, and lend a bit of help when it’s mutually beneficial.

       The only writers I’ve seen raise issues beyond the current media-focused concerns of legality, can be seen mostly on Scoop: the Scoop Team article of the use of GCSB technological capability for the benefit of the FBI, and of course Gordon Campbell’s latest article.

       Campbell extends the idea of national security to include economic security. But in the Dotcom case he says:

       http://gordoncampbell.scoop.co.nz/2012/10/02/gordon-campbell-on-the-kitteridge-inquiry-into-the-gcsb/

       Arguably the TPPA has far more serious and long term implications for New Zealand’s economic security than the activities of one German-born entrepreneur.

       Campbell also kind of refers to the possibility of mission creep when he says:

       Yet the opposite tactic – of having no independent oversight of SIS and GCSB operations at all – seems equally dangerous. In that vacuum, the security agencies are being invited to function as laws unto themselves, free to define their own diplomatic, commercial and security goals, and operating behind a self-serving cloak of secrecy.

       Jane Kelsey also says people need to look beyond the more obvious Dotcom issues, to Key’s visit to the US and the TPPA:

       http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1210/S00015/look-beyond-kim-dotcom.htm

       Hollywood is driving the US push for unprecedented extensions to intellectual property rights, carrying with them the further criminalization for breaches and massive cost increases for everyday Internet users. It also wants a ban on parallel imports.

       The DotCom saga shows how far the US government will go to secure the commercial interests of the industry.

       “The Hobbit saga was a forerunner of things to come if a proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership treaty is agreed and the US has its way”, said Professor Kelsey.
10. Jenny 10

    2 October 2012 at 9:59 pm

    Will this be the new, New Zealand police force look?

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/walmart-workers-strike-for-safe-warehouse-conditio

    As our security and police are already in lockstep agreement with the US in taking over-the-top action in partizan defence of corporate interests, 9even if it entails breaking the law). It can only be a matter of time.

    When it comes to civil liberties, as the saying goes; “You will only know what you’ve got, when it is gone”

    The civil liberties which we enjoy today have been hard fought for over centuries by previous generations, and are there for a reason.

    Fight to keep New Zealand sovereignity and civil liberties inviolate.

    Demand:

    NO illegal spying!

    NO soft touch for police perjury!

    NO extradition with out a hearing!

    NO hearing without evidence being presented!

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/technology/7706772/Dotcom-in-court-for-documents-appeal
    • BloodyOrphan 10.1

      3 October 2012 at 5:57 pm

      Well bloody said Jenny!.
11. Jokerman 11

    2 October 2012 at 10:57 pm

    O it’s broken the lock and splintered the door;
    O it’s the gate where they’re turning, turning;
    Their boots are heavy on the floor
    And their eyes are burning.

    -Auden

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