Daily review 02/09/2020

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  1. gsays 1
    2 September 2020 at 6:04 pm

    It was heartening to hear one of Peter Ellis' defence team speak on RNZ today.

    Natalie Coates mentioned two things: " that both Māori and Pākehā have mana in death and if the appellant was successful, this would have an impact on his mana and that of his whānau."

    and- "She said tikanga Māori was a "thread" of law that should be drawn upon by the courts where relevant."

    The first is obvious and the second would be an interesting development of law in Aoteroa.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/425026/supreme-court-allows-peter-ellis-appeal-to-continue

    • JanM 1.1
      2 September 2020 at 9:13 pm

      I agree – very heartening for two reasons. Like many early childhood teachers I was heartbroken when Peter Ellis was convicted on such unsafe evidence. Quite apart from the very unprofessional way evidence was gathered from children, those of us with teaching experience could easily see that the majority of claims were downright impossible. It also caused a lot of damage among the all too few men in the profession at the time – the echoes of which are still being felt today.

      I am also warmed by the concept of mana being applied and extended to Pakeha – what aroha!

    • Muttonbird 2.1
      2 September 2020 at 6:22 pm

      This depth charges National's bizarre policy for returnees to negative test before the board.

      Mr Reti had five Covid suggestions in parliament today ranging from the useless to the wasteful.

      A limp ending to the parliamentary term for Mrs Wong-Tung's National Party.

      • indiana 2.1.1
        2 September 2020 at 6:24 pm

        This is on the assumption that the testing program in India is as good as ours…or knowledge of the gap between the last negative test and when the aircraft was boarded.

        • Muttonbird 2.1.1.1
          2 September 2020 at 6:33 pm

          How does the National Party propose to address this? Returnees from India will effectively be barred from entering the country. Charming.

  3. Bearded Git 3
    2 September 2020 at 6:23 pm

    The Green School director on Morning Report, and just now on Checkpoint, said (and I may have the words slightly wrong but not the sense) "to be absolutely clear this was never ever going to be a grant of $11.7m…..it was going to be a 25% grant and the rest as a loan."

    So this is not about $11.7 million at all-it is about $2.9m. And from the Checkpoint article it sounds like soon it will be a 100% loan.

    The media could have found this out in 10 minutes by ringing the director.

  4. Ad 4
    2 September 2020 at 6:29 pm

    Good to see Markey beat Kennedy.

    Old school Green New Deal liberal wastes the fool.

    • Muttonbird 4.1
      2 September 2020 at 6:34 pm

      Would you mind providing a link to whatever the hell you are talking about?

      • Robert Guyton 4.1.1
        2 September 2020 at 7:03 pm

        Interested…watching….

      • Sabine 4.1.2
        2 September 2020 at 7:04 pm

        Young Kennedy the Third challengend the incumbent Markey for his senate seat and lost.

        https://time.com/5885508/joe-kennedy-loses-massachusetts-senate-primary/

        • Robert Guyton 4.1.2.1
          2 September 2020 at 7:28 pm

          Oh, right..not interested.

          • Muttonbird 4.1.2.1.1
            2 September 2020 at 7:37 pm

            +1. Load of irrelevant crap.

            It would be nice if that author respected the forum rules though. The rest of us work pretty hard to get it right.

            • Sabine 4.1.2.1.1.1
              2 September 2020 at 7:57 pm

              i thought it was quite clear to be honest.

              nothing annoying, or upsetting. If one follows US elections this would have been of their radar as this was a primary challenge by an upstart with a good name supported by the old guard dems. So not sure why the upset?

              • Muttonbird …
                2 September 2020 at 8:02 pm

                We mortal comments are regularly told in bold type to explain what we mean, provide links, etc, to the nth degree of the forum rules.

                That's fine, but when an author doesn't do the mahi it dilutes everyones efforts and energy.

                • weka …
                  2 September 2020 at 8:10 pm

                  Moderation around linking is almost always related to two things. One is cut and pasting from offsite, and two making a claim of fact that needs backing up.

                  People dropping their reckons in a comment generally is not a problem, people can ask for an explanation if they are interested.

                • Sabine …
                  2 September 2020 at 8:11 pm

                  oh i know, i know, but that was easy i thought.

                  Never mind, always link lest we get a virtual spanking.

  5. Draco T Bastard 5
    2 September 2020 at 6:37 pm

    Recycling is how we become sustainable.

    https://www.linkedin.com/posts/the-economist_japans-radical-recycling-regime-activity-6705383594904301568-aCQV

    The downside, for some, is that it will also preclude international trade.

    • Sabine 5.1
      2 September 2020 at 7:07 pm

      Well, one day soon we get recycling worked out for our milk bottles and other standard waste, and then in a few more decades and maybe we get the hang on our electronic waste and a few centuries later – if humans have not drowned to death in their rubbish we even get the hang on how to recycle lithium batteries.

      Until then why don't we just continue to recycle our waste into different colored bins for feel good sentiment while it all gets dumped on the same tip.

      Any day now….soon, any day now

      • Draco T Bastard 5.1.1
        2 September 2020 at 7:17 pm

        I do like the Japanese response to recycling. Make it a law, subsidise the recyclers and put a huge amount of government R&D into recycling.

        The result is that there's only 5% waste. Everything else is recycled.

        And they're looking to get that 5% to be even lower.

        • Sabine 5.1.1.1
          2 September 2020 at 7:32 pm

          one thing i liked about living in Holland was the recycing was paid for every time you bought an item like a wash machine etc, they came with an extra fee at point of purchases and when broken you put them outside the curb and the town would pick up to electronic recycling. The yellow sticker on your machine was the 'ticket' to prove that the recycling was pre-paid.

          But essentially we need to use less packaging, any surplus packaging that does not need bet needs to be eliminated. Germany had a time in the nineties, where people just left surplus packaging behind at the stores and supermarkets to protest excessive packaging. And once the supermarkets had to pay for the removal of the extra rubbish they quickly managed to instruct suppliers to thin down on the waste.

          I would also think that bottle collection bins (large ones), paper bins etc could be put up at supermarkets for people to use and for a glass recycler or a paper recycler to pick up and re-use.

  6. Ben 6
    2 September 2020 at 7:05 pm

    So James Shaw has gone from the Green School being 'just another project embedded in a long list of projects', to threatening not to sign off that same list until the school was included.

    I think he is now on shaky ground, and the Green party as well.

    • observer 6.1
      2 September 2020 at 7:17 pm

      Nobody really thinks Shaw is "on shaky ground", though of course the game-playing requires people to pretend he is.

      The leader of the National party is not deemed to be "on shaky ground", even while there are daily offences committed by her directly, or in her name. It is not clear why her apologies for lies are sufficient, while his apologies for errors are not.

      Perhaps James just needs to use his eyebrows.

      • Alan 6.1.1
        2 September 2020 at 7:28 pm

        I think he is on shaky ground, if anyone from any other party did the same thing, they would be on shaky ground too.

        • Draco T Bastard 6.1.1.1
          2 September 2020 at 8:13 pm

          I'm pretty sure that you'll find that every other party has done the same thing.

          Except for the bit where they admitted it was a mistake.

        • weka 6.1.1.2
          2 September 2020 at 8:13 pm

          Would they? Isn't this what Peters has been doing all along?

          My problem at this point is still not knowing what actually happened. All we have is an email that one journo has selectively quoted. You think there is no spin in that?

          There are problems with Shaw's decision making, and with the optics for political purposes, but I don't think the public is being well served here by the debate, political culture or the MSM

        • observer 6.1.1.3
          2 September 2020 at 8:19 pm

          What does "shaky ground" mean?

          Resign/sacked as minister? Obviously no. Resign as leader? That's a matter for his party, and while technically possible it would be an absurd over-reaction. By any comparable ethical standard, Collins and Peters would be long gone.

          So that only leaves the voters to decide the shakiness of the ground – as indeed they should. No evidence of any tremors there.

      • Jester 6.1.2
        2 September 2020 at 9:42 pm

        I think he's on shaky ground. I bet Marama, Chloe and Gloriz would love to get rid of him after the election. If Tova's email is genuine, he has not made a mistake, he has made a huge error of judgement and held up projects just to get his way. He often accuses Winston of doing that so I bet Winnie is enjoying this.

        • Hanswurst 6.1.2.1
          2 September 2020 at 10:29 pm

          I would question your spin here, since Shaw himself called it an 'error of judgment', so suggesting that he tried to pass the latter off as a 'mistake' is simply inaccurate.

        • observer 6.1.2.2
          2 September 2020 at 10:29 pm

          Again, what does this "shaky ground" mean in practice?

          After the election, votes permitting, the Greens will negotiate an agreement with Labour. The Green MPs you name will be far more focused on getting the best possible policy wins in that arrangement.

          What comes out of those negotiations will be vastly more important than today's passing headlines. That is what will determine James Shaw's standing in the party – what the Greens can deliver, in government.

          Chasing those passing headlines is exactly why 3 successive National leaders got it so wrong. Over-excited commentators may not understand this, but the Greens have always seen the bigger picture. Climate change is not an issue for knee-jerkers.

          Let's revisit this in November. Nobody will be talking about a school.

    • Robert Guyton 6.2
      2 September 2020 at 7:27 pm

      Ben, your idiocy is wasted here; go back to Kiwiblog.

      • Ben 6.2.1
        2 September 2020 at 7:44 pm

        Thank you for the thoughtful response Robert. You appear to be off your game tonight.

        I believe Shaw lied, or at best obfuscated, at the beginning of this issue and it has come back to bite him and his party.

        P.S Kiwiblog is not somewhere I frequent.

        • Robert Guyton 6.2.1.1
          2 September 2020 at 8:11 pm

          You're very polite, Ben, but very wrong at the same time. James did not lie.

          Not Kiwiblog? My bad.

          Where then?

        • Anne 6.2.1.2
          2 September 2020 at 8:12 pm

          Why do you think he lied? He came across as 100% genuine to me. Did you feel it in your bones or something? Or is it you just don't like the Greens cos……..?

          • Ben 6.2.1.2.1
            2 September 2020 at 8:36 pm

            Anne, please read my first post. Shaw initially played down the significance of the school, but as it transpires it appears to be an area of focus for him.

  7. bwaghorn 7
    2 September 2020 at 7:20 pm

    Just did my vote compass.

    TOP was the winner again . Not sure I can follow through though they appear not to be registering.

  8. weka 8
    2 September 2020 at 8:18 pm

    This is the sum total of what I've seen about Shaw's leveraging the covid funding situation.

    Newshub has obtained an email that went to Government ministers and the Treasury from Shaw's office and it included a stark ultimatum.

    "Minister Shaw won't sign this briefing until the Green School in Taranaki is incorporated."

    …

    "Minister Shaw has also discussed this one with Minister Hipkins.

    "Sorry to be the spanner-in-the-works, but if we can get the project included, he'll sign everything this afternoon," the email said.

    Is that the whole email? Or did Shub selectively quote? If we put aside the issue of the private school being funded, and just look at the issue of blocking something to do with the funding, how far outside parliamentary norms does this sit?

  9. Cricklewood 9
    2 September 2020 at 8:27 pm

    For my 2 cents worth… Green politicians in NZ particularly the Leaders have kept to extermely high ethical standards in how the Greens went about 'politics', In James Shaw they have a Co Leader from a commercial background who is prepared to play a more traditional political game ala Winston Peters to get things done.

    I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not tbh…

  10. Morrissey 10
    2 September 2020 at 8:45 pm

    The excellent Daily Mail, newspaper of unimpeachable integrity noangry

    https://twitter.com/SueSuezep/status/1300531272733908992

  11. Muttonbird 11
    2 September 2020 at 8:46 pm

    I see Dylan Reeve, who protected and defended the man who spread fake news about the source of the Auckland outbreak, is defending David Wong-Tung's anti-Ardern Facebook storm.

    Not difficult to see where his allegiances lie.

  12. ianmac 12
    2 September 2020 at 8:56 pm

    Been away today but now tried to view Question Time On Demand. Nothing showing so I guess that end of Parliament X On Demand. Anyone?

  13. ScottGN 13
    2 September 2020 at 9:01 pm

    It’s all there. But it is a really frustrating website. Why can’t they at least stick all the QT vids into one easy to access page?

    https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parliament-tv-on-demand/

  14. Tiger Mountain 14
    2 September 2020 at 9:38 pm

    To muttonbird and molly@ 11 and 11.1:

    Dylan Reeve comes across as a real whimp, performing all sorts of acrobatics to let the young professional off the hook for his blatant racist behaviour.

    I read Emmaline’s piece when it first appeared and feel it does offer some redress to those affected, as opposed to Reeve’s pandering.

    • Molly 14.1
      3 September 2020 at 7:13 am

      Yes, I thought that too. It's really worth the read, especially as a follow up after reading Dylan Reeve's piece.

  15. Jester 15
    2 September 2020 at 11:12 pm

    James Shaw's recent actions with the Green school funding may lose a few votes maybe even 2%, but they will still end up on at least 5%-6%.

  16. tc 16
    3 September 2020 at 7:06 am

    In these times the msm are probably doing the greens a favour. Facts countering their narrative.

    IMO the gotcha politics works both ways now more than before.

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