Daily review 05/07/2021

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1. Matiri 1

   5 July 2021 at 5:44 pm

   We have a little game when listening to Nat Rad, a bit like the games we played as kids on long car journeys when we counted cars.

   Now it’s how many times is the word ‘sustainable/bly’ used?? Recent hot topic was packaging used in e-commerce….. we lost count!
   • Muttonbird 1.1

     5 July 2021 at 10:00 pm

     I do the same. I count the number of times Dr. Bryce Edwards uses the word woke.
2. Fireblade 2

   5 July 2021 at 8:01 pm

   PM Collins 2023?

   https://www.twitter.com/garycmorgan/status/1411944746814169088
   • Pat 2.1

     5 July 2021 at 8:27 pm

     There was always only one direction of travel from such a high.
     • alwyn 2.1.1

       5 July 2021 at 9:43 pm

       True, but no politician ever quite believes that until it is too late.

       Anyone else remember the limbo craze of the early 1960's?

       As Chubby Checker would have asked the PM. "How low can you go?" She looks reasonably fit and agile. I would guess she will go very low. I think before then the Labour Party may be considering a move to Grant. With his physique I think that "low" for him would be a much higher number.
       • AB 2.1.1.1

         5 July 2021 at 10:03 pm

         Nice to see you perked up by being behind by only 10% (51 Lab/Green vs 41 Nat/ACT) despite a period of frenzied, irrational attacks on the vaccine rollout, etc.. We'll even forgive your strained metaphor and the body-shaming.
   • McFlock 2.2

     5 July 2021 at 10:37 pm

     lol this might keep her in charge for another few months, but Bridges and Luxon are still in the wings.

     edit: and so is Seymour…
3. Anker 3

   5 July 2021 at 10:16 pm

   • I think the proposed hate speech laws will do Labour real damage
   • Muttonbird 3.1

     5 July 2021 at 10:18 pm

     Really? I think there's bugger all in it. Those who are fighting this (for some strange reason) are fighting against decent society, that's the way I see it.
     • greywarshark 3.1.1

       6 July 2021 at 11:15 am

       People who are against it as stated so far, are crying slow down and think out consequences. Change but don't go at it like a bull in a china shop. If no-one can understand what i mean, think of the difficulties that the hate speech laws will cause, and the frustration and resentment of being likely hauled over the coals for what many would regard as simply a negative comment.

       We have so many sensitives now who are deeply wounded by a cold breeze touching their arm, that idealists will have increased the animosity and hostility that is out there, because they have no concept of practicality, only visions of purity that humans will never want – too restricting of normal sensible behaviour.
       • Drowsy M. Kram 3.1.1.1

         6 July 2021 at 12:41 pm

         People who are against it as stated so far, are crying slow down and think out consequences. Change but don't go at it like a bull in a china shop.

         Why the 'too fast' concern? After all, there's still another month to provide feedback on the proposals – only proposals – remember?

         And, like the 'anti-smacking legislation' (which removed the legal defence of "reasonable force" for parents prosecuted for assault on their children), those opposed can go down the Citizens-Initiated Referendum path if any change isn’t to their liking. And vote the Govt out if they can't get no satisfaction. Hope it doesn't come to that, although even proposing changes seems a step too far for some.

         Proposals against incitement of hatred and discrimination in Aotearoa New Zealand
         https://www.justice.govt.nz/justice-sector-policy/key-initiatives/proposals-against-incitement/
         https://consultations.justice.govt.nz/policy/incitement-of-hatred/
         • greywarshark 3.1.1.1.1

           6 July 2021 at 12:54 pm

           For Pete's sake DMK this is one of many problems that face us. It is enervating to say the least to have to fight with all tactics and time required each blathering OTT proposal that government or deemed regulations come up with AND AT THE SAME TIME supplicate, argue, demonstrate for, design, a better system of looking after each other's interests – one of the main ones being decent housing.

           Which is only the most obvious need, there are tons of others. Can we get sensible laws and regs passed after reasonable scrutiny in a timely fashion, so we can tackle the other problems – from the past, present ones not fit for purpose, and plan sensible and fair ones for the future. Please!!
           • Drowsy M. Kram 3.1.1.1.1.1

             6 July 2021 at 1:00 pm

             Apologies grey, just my opinion. Didn't mean to upset you – bit surprised tbh.

             Fwiw, I don’t consider the proposals against incitement of hatred to be blathering, or OTT, but accept that I may be in a minority
   • tc 3.2

     6 July 2021 at 7:33 am

     Agreed. Like anti smacking theres spin and mischief around it to manufacture discontent IMO
4. Anker 4

   5 July 2021 at 11:04 pm

   • I read there is a range of people who oppose it from John Minto to Richard Prebble.
   • we now live in a culture where rather than openly debate issues, a significant proportion of the community wants to shut debate down. Cancel stuff.
   • so it appears to me that if someone feels offended by what is said about a group of people, you will just be able to call the police. Three years in jail is a huge penalty….
   • who decides what is offensive? Is it offensive to call someone a terf? What about if I express gender critical views and say I believe biological sex trumps gender identification? Trans activists will likely find that offensive. What if I refuse to use peoples pronouns? What if I say I disagree with the statement trans women are real women, or rather think it’s a polite fiction? I think trans activists would likely dream this hate speech.
   • aside for my own concerns about being able to voice my views, I believe these changes will build huge resentment and be more likely to radicalise people (not myself, I will just give up on politics completely)….
   • if you want to know how fired up about the changes people are visit the Daily Blog.
   • an example in one of the papers was that of Israel Folau. Wtf would be the point of putting him in jail for three years? Better for society to feedback to him what we think
   • McFlock 4.1

     5 July 2021 at 11:45 pm

     The background documents might provide you with some answers, and you have a month to put a submission together.

     Proposal 6 in the discussion document will likely be of specific interest to you.
5. Anker 5

   6 July 2021 at 9:48 am

   • Thanks McFlock

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