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Three heavyweight academics have conducted a linguistic analysis of the Greens parliamentary utterances: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/123001871/analysis-shows-the-greens-have-changed-the-language-of-economic-debate-in-new-zealand
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that was cool.
My God. What are that lot in America on? Beggars belief:
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-54427762
They're barking mad!
Indeed.
A top Trump health official met Monday with a group of doctors who are proponents of the controversial “herd immunity” approach to COVID-19, even as other experts warn of its deadly and dangerous consequences.
Martin Kulldorff, a professor at Harvard; Sunetra Gupta, a professor at Oxford; and Jay Bhattacharya, a professor at Stanford, all of whom are epidemiologists studying infectious diseases, were invited to the meeting by Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar and Scott Atlas, an adviser to Trump on whom other experts have cast doubt for his statements about COVID-19, including his endorsement of herd immunity.
In the meeting, the three doctors told Azar that allowing the virus to spread uncontrolled among young, healthy people while protecting older adults and those at higher risk for serious illness would build up enough population immunity to stop it from spreading widely while avoiding lockdowns and other mitigation measures that have had a damaging impact on the economy.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/519727-trump-health-official-meets-with-doctors-pushing-herd-immunity#.
Judith says she likes blood sports, but only when she's the hunter, not the prey. The Christchurch leaders' debate is not what she had in mind.
Is she not enjoying herself? Pity.
Oh, she's enjoying being Trumpy and getting votes back from Advance and New Cons, maybe ACT.
It's just the country she's losing.
No doubt the tRump cultists will lap up an unproven vaccine.
In his theatrical Monday display of flouting his doctors’ advice and returning to the White House, President Trump’s triumphal videotaped message contained a line that deserves more attention than it received: “The vaccines are coming momentarily.”
Trump has spent weeks hinting that he would like a vaccine to be announced before the election, and also that he distrusts his scientific advisers. Now his administration has overruled the Food and Drug Administration’s proposed vaccine guidelines, according to a report from the New York Times. It is abundantly clear Trump’s political team is overruling its scientists in order to rush through the approval of a vaccine before the election.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/10/trump-vaccine-overrules-fda-election-coronavirus-science.html
Not being funny, but Ardern is looking a bit weak in this one to me.
She's simply not good at it. And it's hurting the campaign. She's not good at turning crowds – much better simply riding with crowds who already agree with her.
The faster Woods and the campaign team gets Ardern back flashing that grin across the malls of New Zealand the better it will be for us all.
Are you even watching it?
She doesn't need to turn the crowd.
Will be quite interesting to see what the people criticising Collins about interrupting will say about about Ardern's this time.
I hate to quote the devil but this is exactly on point …
https://twitter.com/MatthewHootonNZ/status/1313370460743057408
There's a link to the stuff site below @4.2
This is probably the most interesting debate so far.
They are letting them go a bit free form
She's got the crowd eating out of her hand
She closed well.
If you mean Ardern I just thought I had never seen someone throw so many slogans in with so little substance behind it.
I've never seen someone spout the same porkie in both debates.
https://twitter.com/TheSpinoffTV/status/1313366621629542400
Making up facts on the hoof is the leader’s call.
https://asiapacificreport.nz/2020/03/20/tonga-declares-state-of-emergency-shuts-borders-over-coronavirus/
Though not a month
NZ 19 Samoa 21st.
Cheers
There appears to be a bit of confusion.
Quite funny how the spinoff can't google
Or Stuff
Collins' earned an early round of boos when she said Samoa had shut its borders before New Zealand (it didn't), something Ardern immediately pushed back on.
https://asiapacificreport.nz/2020/03/20/tonga-declares-state-of-emergency-shuts-borders-over-coronavirus/
March the 20th
Actually. Apologies.
Thought we closed ours on the 23rd.
You are correct
Fact check: Did Sāmoa really lockdown ‘a month before New Zealand’? In the most heated exchange of the debate so far, Collins accused Ardern of “disrespecting” Sāmoa for rejecting Collins’ claim that the nation went into lockdown a month before New Zealand. So who’s right? In this case, Ardern. Sāmoa went into lockdown on March 26, a day after New Zealand entered level four lockdown.
Well if we were the 25th then that makes Samoa first given my link.
Links to official news stories don't lie
They never lie
2:00 pm on 26 March 2020
Samoa is now officially on lock down. The government said people or organisations who don't adhere to new Covid-19 lockdown requirements will face finds. Prime Minister Tuila'epa Sa'ilele Malielegaoi said the last flights from Fiji, New Zealand and American Samoa had arrived and all passengers are now under 14 days quarantine.
Shutting the borders and locking down are not the same thing. NZ was first by a day or two on both measures. Why Collins persist with this pointless and demonstrable lie I have no idea.
I find it quite bizarre that voting is already well underway and Ardern has yet to release a manifesto.
Makes me think we're in for a term of smile-and-wave politics punctuated by crisis management, wrinse and repeat, here comes 2026.
better vote Green then eh.
Like eating dry Weetbix
I like dry weetbix. Good nibbling food while consuming a book.
Hey you're the one who wanted a manifesto.. 🙂
You can moisten them with your tears or keep them dry and crunchy and add a bit of butter and honey or vegemite on them. They are fillers till something better comes along, which we all await but the piece of resistance may have to wait till after the election.
In this important election the atmosphere is so full of pollution that exposing a manifesto to air will have it covered in viruses and other noxious matter from the right/wrong-wing.
After, we expect a great meal with healthy salads prepared by seasoned chefs plus all the other healthy foods, not forgetting the sensitive gluten intolerant.
She has already won the argument.
Apologies.
Would have probably helped putting the stream link in for people.
They are currently having a half time break for a few minutes.
But there is a discussion on the first one going on inbetween
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122837729/election-2020-livestream-jacinda-ardern-and-judith-collins-face-off-in-the-press-leaders-debate
Donald Trump could just stay in the White House behind the oval office desk and do interviews with Hannity (the most powerful tv show by and long way) and keep dominating the news cycles of Fox (the most powerful station ever).
That Trump name will perpetually echo even harder through every news cycle.
On the other hand if after a week he decides to hit the campaign trail with Pence, he will be lauded as the 3rd day resurrection of the next Christ: conquering death itself.
I see plenty of upside plays for Trump right now, and I'm sure he's got the confidence to play them.
https://twitter.com/RepMattGaetz/status/1313125654897008641
https://www.thewrap.com/matt-gaetz-chuck-norris-donald-trump/
An oldie but still a goodie:
Herman who?
https://twitter.com/TimOBrien/status/1313192280971452418
But Cain's twitter-thumbs still work. Something for the tinyfingers twittertwat to look forward to.
Trump's by no means 'out of the woods'. It's the second week of COVID infection that is the most dangerous.
Still he's looked at the odds and decided they're good enough to roll with. He's a gambler by nature.
He's been in tighter corners than this before, and won.
His brand and media force just make it impossible to talk about Biden.
Which might still be Biden's best strategy. Let it be all about Grampa Rage Nappies.
He's won coming out of tight corners by bringing others to his level. Drive up the Hillary-hate. Make sure the regulators that could bring him down would go down with him. Be too big for his banks to allow to fail. But if Biden stays out of the pig-wrestling pen, the Master of the Looniverse will be exposed out there all by himself.
That seems to be working on the nationwide polls and on the betting spreads.
So bloody true, I like your comment.
confidence, try – cocksure full of oneself arrogant as bold as brassaudacious brazen impudent insolent
The PM smashing the acting leader of the national party in this debate.
Well noted @TheAl1en
After two debates where Judith Collins managed to steer the discussion more often than not, and keep her from performing paragraph-long sentences, Jacinda Ardern commanded the stage at The Press debate. She interrupted Collins whenever she felt like it. She didn't pause or hesitate when Collins interrupted her – steam-rolling all the way through. And she played the room like a fiddle.
lol
Some of the cost of Covid is the unique people we have lost to it. In this case an artist from St. Petersburg.
Meanwhile, Poots lives in his very own bubble.
However, Putin's courage will not be so desperate if you take a closer look at the same program "Moscow. Kremlin. Putin". Even at the height of the epidemic, Zarubin, who had previously announced his stories about Putin directly from the studio of the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company, standing next to Solovyov, suddenly and without any explanation began to get in touch on TV from a mysterious room resembling a hotel room .
The interlocutors of the "Project" explain that all people who have to be near the head of state, regardless of their regalia and age, have to serve a very strict two-week quarantine. There are at least three places for the supreme quarantine.
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.proekt.media%2Fnarrative%2Fvaktsina-koronavirus%2F
well saw last half and dont think anyone will be changing their minds after tonight..and for over 10% of voters its too late anyway
Actually enjoyed that one.
Both showed up with a bit of back bone.
Ardern is starting to come across as over practiced too much and fake, but she is going to win anyway so she might as well go with the flow.
I think Arderns debating has slipped markedly since last election, not sure why that should be,,,,but her interview skills are very good as she is currently demonstrating…Collins probably 'won' the debate but wont have won any new votes
Last election all she had to do was concentrate on campaigning. This time she's PM and is running the country as well as campaigning. That, I suspect, is the difference.
Funny how bias colours your comment, where mine saw nothing fake about Jacinda at all, rather I saw a bit of a flake in Judith.
You could point your own point back at you tbf
I did actually, tbf (mine)
Good debate though. Both showed they are no roll over and be hammered.
Not much sign of Judith’s mob on Twitter. And wonder of wonders Henry Cooke at Stuff thinks Ardern won it.
As discussed previously, Collins has spent the entire campaign in safe blue territory. Tonight she had a tough, lively audience, for the very first time. They weren't there to provide sycophantic nods and smiles. They responded to what she said, and mostly they weren't impressed.
Reality hit her hard.
But that's the story of her career. Always believes her own mirror. National will be relieved to get rid of her next month. It will be the most welcome exit from NZ politics since Don Brash.
Judith started with raucous interjections but she looked a little startled by the negative audience reactions for the reasons as you pointed out Observer. It seemed that she was biting her tongue from there on in – most of the time. And afterwards she didn't seem happy with the journalists questions either. Same reason?
Did she not lead the audience in prayer then?
Spend 20 minutes and learn some political economy….and if you think this dosnt apply here remember that the ratings agencies are US based as well.
https://michael-hudson.com/2020/10/%e2%80%a8debt-deflation-and-the-neofeudal-empire/
But there is hope as we have a Parliamentary system and can at least vote for alternatives