Daily review 23/11/2021

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  1. dv 1
    23 November 2021 at 5:50 pm

    Interesting factoids, the last 3 daily infection totals in Japan are LESS than NZ numbers!!!

    • Koff 1.1
      23 November 2021 at 6:54 pm

      According to one recent Japanese scientific analysis* of the Delta variant in Japan, it may have mutated in such a way to make it much less infectious. There is no indication that this, if actually correct (sounds a bit dubious to me from an evolutionary point of view) might be repeated anywhere else. What's a bit more disturbing is that NZ's daily case rate is now higher than that of New South Wales, which reached between 1 to 2,000 daily cases before peaking and dropping. Changes in infection rates are all over the place worldwide at the moment and it's hard to decipher what is going on. Not sure whether any of the precicitive modelling has been that accurate.

      * https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/11/18/national/delta-variant-self-destruction-theory/

      • Nic the NZer 1.1.1
        23 November 2021 at 7:20 pm

        This idea about Japan appears to make no sense. Most mutations of the virus are not successful and don't become dominant. More infectious ones are more likely to get over that hurdle. So the question would be how the less infectious mutation became dominant in order to subsequently die out by being less infectious. We can (I think) exclude the possibility that most infections suddenly mutated in the same way to simultaneously become less infectious.

        Probably its just that Japan is successfully implementing a lock down and vaccination and masking strategy and that is working with high compliance.

      • dv 1.1.2
        23 November 2021 at 8:43 pm

        Yes i had seen that koff,
        And Nic that is also ttrue.
        Apparently there were 6 infection in Tokyo yesterday.

  2. Pete 2
    23 November 2021 at 5:56 pm

    If some 17 year old South Auckland kid wilfully ignored bail conditions there would be a clamour to have him chucked in jail and the key thrown away. Saying to the system, "Up you, I'll do what I like," would not be greeted well.

    Brian Tamaki said today, "I am basically innocent," when further charges were laid against him. "I think this is a national issue today. It's a very important issue to all New Zealanders," he said. He was referring to the 'right to gather.'

    It's an important issue for New Zealanders that justice is equally dispensed. Having years on your side, thinking you also have god on your side and a baying crowd outside, should make no difference.

    Tamaki was in court on October 20 for being at the second Domain protest on October 16, allegedly breaching bail. Today he apparently was appearing again for breaching bail conditions.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-destinys-brian-hannah-tamaki-charged-over-latest-auckland-lockdown-protest/DPTDTLEIBEI2SLLKQTMF7WVCYE/

    • mary_a 2.1
      24 November 2021 at 1:49 pm

      Pete (2) … 100% in agreement with your statement.

      I take it Tamaki is setting his own bail, or should I say that given him by his vulnerable "congregation." So no sweat of Tamaki's back each time he's in breach. Easy come, easy go for himsad Shameful man in every respect and his wife is no better! Predatory charlatans, the pair of them!

  3. Jester 3
    23 November 2021 at 6:00 pm

    Surely these passports have to be scanned to check if they are valid? Otherwise people will just photograph other people.

    Covid-19 NZ: Jacinda Ardern says vaccine passes don't need to be scanned, Ministry of Health says they do | Stuff.co.nz

    • weka 3.1
      23 November 2021 at 6:58 pm

      how would they load the photo of someone else's pass into the app?

      • McFlock 3.1.1
        23 November 2021 at 7:23 pm

        It's just a QR code.

        I haven't figured out how to put it onto the android I upgraded partially to use the tracer app (they did make the app a bit more backwards compatible, but not enough for my sturdy beast).

        • roblogic 3.1.1.1
          23 November 2021 at 7:28 pm

          There should be a link to Google Pay (or whatever it’s called) in the Covid Passport email from the Min of Health.

        • weka 3.1.1.2
          23 November 2021 at 7:31 pm

          so having a QR code in the app is a pretty good sign that one is double vaxxed, but it might have expired?

          • Nic the NZer 3.1.1.2.1
            23 November 2021 at 7:41 pm

            The expiry date is shown on the PDF directly anyway. If it scans with the app then it largely checks its not a fraudulently doctored PDF however. It was actually generated by the MOH.

            • weka 3.1.1.2.1.1
              23 November 2021 at 7:48 pm

              I actually have no idea how the process works. Are you saying you have to scan a PDF version into the phone, and this is what the venues will then scan in turn (or not).

              • Nic the NZer …
                23 November 2021 at 7:53 pm

                There is a QR code in the PDF. The scanner just needs to be shown that in which case it can check it was made by the MOH.

                Similar to how a phone scans a printed QR code. Should also work for a printed PDF.

                • weka …
                  23 November 2021 at 8:12 pm

                  would you mind starting from the beginning?

                  People using the app have to get a paper version first and scan it into their app?

                  • McFlock …
                    23 November 2021 at 8:30 pm

                    You jump on the site, they email you a pdf with a QR code and some basic details on it (expiry date, etc). Apparently, there is some way to include this in various apps the young people use to pay things and show qr codes for cafe loyalty programs.

                    There is a phone number for the tech-impaired who don't handle apps or pdfs.

                    Basically, it's the opposite of contact tracing: for tracing you scan the venue QR code into your app, for the vaccine pass the venue scans your qr code into their app.

                    • weka …
                      23 November 2021 at 9:01 pm

                      ta. So if I transfer the PDF from my laptop to my phone, I just need to open the PDF so a venue can scan it? Or can I just take a photo of it?

                      This takes us back to Jester's original question. What's to stop people from using other people's QR codes?

                    • Nic the NZer []
                      23 November 2021 at 9:11 pm

                      Whats to stop people using other peoples QR codes?

                      The QR code contains the same information printed in the PDF. It also contains a digital signature of that info signed by the MOH.

                      So either you embed a QR code which doesn't have matching info for the PDF, or the signature doesn't verify as signed by the MOH.

                      Both would be invalid. You could probably investigate this if you have access to the venue app and QR code creation/reading/editing facilities and/or PDF editing facilities.

                    • McFlock …
                      23 November 2021 at 9:08 pm

                      Yep.

                      It's basically like what's stopping underage kids using their older siblings' drivers licenses to get into bars.

                      Except in this case one should be able to audit the use of qr codes to see if one got into the antivaxx crowd, and is being used the same night but hundreds of miles apart.

                  • Nic the NZer …
                    23 November 2021 at 8:32 pm

                    People checking passes will be able to use an app to scan these. The vaccine pass QR code can be provided from showing the PDF on a phone, a print out of that PDF on paper or from loading it into a digital wallet on a phone.

                    As long as its a valid pass is not being checked, you can check it by simply looking at the PDF you get emailed.

                    I don't think these can be attached to the covid tracer app though it also uses QR codes in a different way.

                  • KJT …
                    23 November 2021 at 10:22 pm

                    The easiest way is simply to use the link in the email to put it in your digital wallet. Google pay or Apple, depending on your phone. It then also gives you an option to put a shortcut on your home screen.

                    Already keep my store cards and coffee cards in the digital wallet, wherever possible. Saves having to dig them out from 20 others in a real wallet.

        • Nic the NZer 3.1.1.3
          23 November 2021 at 7:37 pm

          Theres a signature in the QR code so the app can check was signed by the MOH. But otherwise its just the name and DOB printed in the PDF (probably with a salt) as far as I understand it.

          I do think the NSA could probably fake them in a few weeks if they were trying. Most would not have the compute resources for that however.

      • Jester 3.1.2
        23 November 2021 at 10:25 pm

        Download yours and you will see there is no photo.

  4. observer 4
    23 November 2021 at 6:34 pm

    ACT MP thinks Donald Trump made his country "awesome".

    And has the usual toddler tantrum about the PM

    It's important that people look beyond David Seymour's soundbites and discover who ACT really are.

  5. joe90 5
    23 November 2021 at 7:05 pm

    If they survive quaffing H₂O₂ and the bio pellets this shit's going to end in a Jonestown/Heaven's Gate like mass suicide.

    Garner’s sister left her family behind and drove to Dallas about a month ago and has cut off almost all communication with her family.

    According to Garner, her sister has so far handed over about $200,000 to the group, and is being forced to drink a hydrogen peroxide solution and take “bio pellets” to ward off COVID-19 and stay healthy. Her phone calls and messages are also being monitored, according to Garner, who believes her sister will never return.

    […]

    Garner’s sister was one of the hundreds of people who initially traveled to Dallas to see JFK reappear on Nov. 2. However, when that didn’t happen, the goalposts shifted, and Protzman convinced dozens of people that if they waited long enough, something else would happen.

    Katy says her sister’s brief messages to her parents have gone from “be home in a few days” to “I am not coming home, my husband can take care of the kids. I am not leaving until this is over.”

    While the group initially appeared to be waiting for the reappearance of JFK, over the weekend, the tone of Protzman’s comments shifted dramatically. Besides proclaiming that he was God’s representative on earth, he also took part in a video chat where participants openly spoke about having to experience death in order to learn the truth.

    “Ultimately… we have to experience that physical death… let go… come out on the other side,” one of the participants in the video call suggested.

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjb8mv/qanon-jfk-cult-tearing-families-apart

    • RedLogix 5.1
      23 November 2021 at 8:09 pm

      A good example of what happens when the good idea of 'freedom' steps over the boundary into 'free to do anything your please' as the totalising solution to all problems. Closely related to anarchism and libertarianism.

      The only upside is this particular ideological form tends to be more of a threat to themselves than anyone else.