Dishonourable Judith Collins

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Has John Key now read Dirty Politics?

Because having set up his incredibly narrow inquiry into Judith Collins – to try and investigate her for the one thing she didn’t do – he’s now scared to give her her ‘Honourable’ title, before she is ‘cleared’.

Normally ex-Ministers get Honourable as a title for life as a matter of course.  It would have probably gone unnoticed if he had given it to her.  There would only be screams of wanting to remove it once she had been proven guilty of something.  And while there’s a lot of proof, it’s not coming to an inquiry near you, as Key’s terms of reference are designed to whitewash.

So he must suspect that the judge is going to broaden those terms, or something else is going to become too compelling to ignore.

Let’s hope the judge does look at things properly broadly, and in the meantime, Judith will continue to fester on the backbench.

I wonder how she’ll feel about the view from her new seat?

 

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  1. Jono 1
    14 October 2014 at 6:44 pm

    The difference in tone between the Herald and Andrea Vance’s reporting is interesting. Collins comes off pretty pissed at Key directly in the latter

  2. TheContrarian 2
    14 October 2014 at 6:52 pm

    Ho ho ho.

  3. marty mars 3
    14 October 2014 at 7:17 pm

    key distancing himself vigorously – looks like the stiff-arm fend still works

  4. Rawmadness Natshark 4
    14 October 2014 at 7:28 pm

    A spokesman for Mr Key this afternoon said: “It’s the Prime Minister’s intention, should Ms Collins be cleared in the current inquiry, to recommend to the Governor General that she be granted the use of the title “The Honourable” for life.”

    Alone Collins making statements about Katy Bradford the reporter is enough for me to cry foul even if she is found not guilty in Keys farce of an investigation.

    Her texts of shame, china fiasco, if she’s honourable, I’m Saint Paul.

  5. rawshark-yeshe 5
    14 October 2014 at 7:28 pm

    So sad for her .. her value to Oravida must have dropped sharply … shame.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 5.1
      14 October 2014 at 7:38 pm

      Chop chop for Judith. I wonder if Oravida will order a bleach attack too.

      • Kiwiri - Raided of the Last Shark 5.1.1
        15 October 2014 at 12:46 pm

        Oravida can make her feel better by super-fasttracking her ‘canonisation’ as their patron saint even while she is politically comatosed at the moment.

  6. Lanthanide 6
    14 October 2014 at 7:30 pm

    Apparently Richard Worth and Pansy Wong both got it for life, despite in Richard’s case not even serving a full term as a minister.

    • Rawmadness Natshark 6.1
      14 October 2014 at 7:34 pm

      Elitism alive and kicking in 2014. Wong…shudders…

    • the sharkman 6.2
      14 October 2014 at 7:40 pm

      Well given that ejaculating on a sleeping woman’s face (according to Slater in his e-mail/facebook exchanges) wasn’t enough to be stripped of the Honourable title, do we really think it being held back from Collins is evidence she won’t get it post-inquiry?

      Just more whitewash (*snicker*) I’m afraid.

    • Tracey 6.3
      15 October 2014 at 11:31 am

      and it also shows what this govt thinks about

      sexual harrassment, and
      misusing your office for personal business…

      its honourable baby

  7. Rodel 7
    14 October 2014 at 7:34 pm

    ‘Honourable’ , ‘the Right honourable?’ What a load of nugatory pretentious crap.
    (I imagine ms. Collins subscribes to the convention)

    We want people who can govern and manage-not indulge in such meaningless self aggrandizement. I’ll vote for (nearly) anyone who rubbishes this bullshit nomenclature.

    Politicians should get into the20th century…and then some.
    (Tories- sorry about the big words)

    After thought edit………………………….Actually I like the honorific ” Dishonourable”in this case.

  8. One Anonymous Bloke 8
    14 October 2014 at 7:36 pm

    “Judith Collins is honourable,” said the Red Queen.

  9. Rawmadness Natshark 9
    14 October 2014 at 7:42 pm

    The most dangerous thing Key could do to all opposition parties, is after already having thrown Judith to the Kerb he runs right over her on his way to showing the faithful, when he says he will keep his MP’s honest he meant it. Isn’t he great. Deflection, adoration, just a day in the life of our man Key. Isn’t he great.

    Did I say how great he is.

    I bet the fly on the wall at the Collins residence is getting nervous watching his mates losing wings “Does he love me, does he not”

    • North 9.1
      14 October 2014 at 8:55 pm

      Dear Mr/Mrs/Ms RawMadness…….insightful assessment you make in your first two paragraphs. And your last paragraph…….friend Patrick Gower wants you to write his scripts !

  10. ankerawshark 10
    14 October 2014 at 7:43 pm

    I wonder what Judith’s good friend Cam thinks about this???????????Watch out John.

    • Anne 10.1
      14 October 2014 at 7:52 pm

      So, what’s the stuff she’s got on Key then?

      Maybe we will find out soon enough.

    • RedLogix 10.2
      14 October 2014 at 9:49 pm

      Yes Collins is way too smart to do anything direct while Slater is busted as an attack conduit for the time being.

      Maybe some entirely new source? My instinct is that after today’s little outburst Collins will go very quiet – but she will NOT forget.

      I think she will bide her time until Key is vulnerable for other reasons. And then it will be subtle.

      • ghostwhowalksnz 10.2.1
        15 October 2014 at 12:27 pm

        Suddenly the funds promised after the election by the usual Chinese sources linked to Collins wont be forthcoming.
        We had that after the last election, Chinese donors were very generous, but maybe not this time. Love you long time instead!

      • Tracey 10.2.2
        15 October 2014 at 2:32 pm

        payback double vs smiling assassin

  11. ianmac 11
    14 October 2014 at 8:21 pm

    I think that the Key master plan is knowing that there will be insufficient evidence against Judith, he can make the grand gesture of reinstating her. There.
    See what a strong decisive leader is John? (And if by some mischance that Judith is guilty of something Key still appears to be a decisive leader.)
    Cunning.

  12. North 12
    14 October 2014 at 8:31 pm

    This is a calculatedly cruel public smacking. Hero to Zero……Roxstar to Poxstar……Crusher to Crasher.

    Bets on one day the political lexicon containing the line – “the lady’s not for spurning…….” ?

    Nah. She’s buggered. Ya gotta give it to TheGodKey. He’s successfully quarantined Dirty Politics in one always unlovely individual. Hypocrisy high but he’s done it !

  13. les 13
    14 October 2014 at 8:59 pm

    Only good thing Collins ever did was stand up to the Bain G-Train.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 13.1
      14 October 2014 at 9:41 pm

      Your inalienable human right to hold an ignorant opinion on complex legal matters is one I’d gladly relinquish.

      • left for deadshark 13.1.1
        14 October 2014 at 11:13 pm

        Well said,OAB

      • les 13.1.2
        15 October 2014 at 11:39 am

        well go ahead and relinquish it then!

        • One Anonymous Bloke 13.1.2.1
          15 October 2014 at 2:28 pm

          I doubt very much whether that is the last ignorant opinion we’ve heard from you.

          • les 13.1.2.1.1
            15 October 2014 at 3:11 pm

            its actually very informed opinion thanks very much.

            • One Anonymous Bloke 13.1.2.1.1.1
              15 October 2014 at 3:31 pm

              And yet, even in this case, ignorance is a condition we all share. Personal certainty is proof of nothing.

              Collins’ behaviour can be judged by Justice Binnie’s reaction, whatever the merits of Bain’s case for compensation.

              • les …
                15 October 2014 at 3:46 pm

                surely that includes your own ‘personal certainty’…Binnie is not the last word on the matter,and little wonder why.

                • One Anonymous Bloke …
                  15 October 2014 at 5:06 pm

                  Did I say Binnie has the last word? No, that was you.

                  I said that Collins’ behaviour can be judged by Binnie’s reaction.

                  Binnie (among other expert jurist observations) casts doubt on the fairness (his words) of Collins’ approach. Can you smell a judicial review of the decisions made by the Minister whose office is a crime scene much?

                  • les …
                    15 October 2014 at 5:21 pm

                    you needn’t try and put words in my mouth…Binnies report was flawed.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke …
                      15 October 2014 at 5:32 pm

                      And again with the red herrings.

                      Only clueless wingnuts still pretend that something Binnie did is relevant to Collins’ inept and prejudicial behaviour.

                      “He did it too!” “But but but but Llllaaaabbbboooouuuurrrr!!!!”

                      Heard it all before. It didn’t work at Primary School either.

            • Tracey 13.1.2.1.1.2
              15 October 2014 at 3:34 pm

              based on what? if you have an informed opinion, give us the informed basis.

    • Tracey 13.2
      15 October 2014 at 2:33 pm

      you left an ‘s’ off your name

      • les 13.2.1
        15 October 2014 at 3:13 pm

        you may have a different opinion but childish retorts probably dont give it much credibility.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 13.2.1.1
          15 October 2014 at 3:34 pm

          Neither does “G-train”.

          • les 13.2.1.1.1
            15 October 2014 at 3:44 pm

            as 5 people are dead,and millions has been spent on this case,including literally hundreds of thousands of dollars on an ex football player for his legal services I think G-Train is an apt description.

            • One Anonymous Bloke 13.2.1.1.1.1
              15 October 2014 at 5:25 pm

              And Tracey thinks you left an ‘s’ off your name and I think your personal opinion hefts as much weight as hers, or mine, for that matter.

              Suck it up.

              Two separate subjects: one, the Bain compensation case, and two, Judith Collins’ inept and prejudicial handling of said case.

              Please observe that my argument is based on behaviour and yours is based on ad hominem red herrings.

              • les …
                15 October 2014 at 5:31 pm

                no you have an opinion,so do I…there is no ad hominem red herring at all.Tracey can think that…you can accept she thinks that…so what!

                • One Anonymous Bloke …
                  15 October 2014 at 5:33 pm

                  No, your observation that someone was a football player has no relevance to your argument whatsoever, no sirree, which begs the question…why did you mention it, dim-bulb?

                  • les …
                    15 October 2014 at 5:44 pm

                    the relevance is this…a person with no legal qualifications booked up hundreds of thousands of dollars at $95 an hour.I see calling people names is a common occurrence with some posters.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke …
                      15 October 2014 at 6:08 pm

                      So the courts found he’d wasted their time and none of his arguments stood up to scrutiny? Um, no. They found his arguments compelling. So you’re struggling to match a football player’s arguments.

                      Embarrassing much, to be judged by your own measure?

  15. ghostwhowalksnz 15
    15 October 2014 at 9:37 am

    Cant wait to see the payback, make that double payback from Mrs Wong Tung of St Heliers.
    What will the gnomes beavering away in Stonedon Dr, searching way back in the little black books of National party tricks, come up with ?

  16. Tracey 16
    15 October 2014 at 11:29 am

    not upset for bringing legal profession into disrepute
    not upset for lying about oravida visits
    not upset about turning blibd eye to stolen police evidence
    not upset at leaking personal details ofca public servant
    not upset by leaking information to slater
    not upset coubties manukau police fudging burglaries so she can crow to constituents

    upset she doesnt have a title! tells you all you need to know.

    • srylands 16.1
      15 October 2014 at 12:36 pm

      Unfortunately she will be forever tarnished by her close association with Whale Oil Beef Hooked (WOBH). That looks a bit tacky but it is hardly an offence.

      I predict that the current inquiry by Judge Lester Chisholm will find that she committed no offence, nor breached any convention in relation to her relationship with the CE of the SFO. The Prime Minister has indicated that if she is cleared, the Honourable title will be conferred for life.

      As for the rest of you apparant smears, I have no idea what you are referring to.

      • Tracey 16.1.1
        15 October 2014 at 2:40 pm

        yeah you see no offence cos you set all behaviour at the legal standard. lowest common denominator thinking. three act mps convicted of fraud or deceit and a former candidate on charges of defrauding the revenue. thats the standard of behaviour you vote for so I understand why you have put forks in your eyes rather than read or understand collins contraventions, including the cabinet manual which demands the “highest ethical behaviour”.

    • whateva next? 16.2
      15 October 2014 at 8:54 pm

      exactly, I am shocked that she is shocked. Does She realise what “honorable ” means? Obviously not.

  17. John 17
    15 October 2014 at 8:17 pm

    Amazing how Collins is more worried about a title the average member of public couldn’t give a toss about. It is a shame she didn’t have the same reaction to the portfolios she was meant to be looking after, ie the IPCa.

  18. Jonathan 18
    16 October 2014 at 7:30 am

    Its great to see Slater starting to turn feral on Key and English on Collins behalf.
    It might end up being an unpleasant 3 years for some people but the side show is shaping up to be interesting.

  19. Sable 19
    16 October 2014 at 4:31 pm

    Watch as its all swept under the carpet.

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