English’s days numbered

54 comments on “English’s days numbered ”

• Comments are now closed

1. Colonial Viper 1

   6 January 2011 at 11:10 am

   Which is exactly why John Key will try to make sure there isn’t one.

   When’s Pete Hodgson back on deck 🙂
2. pollywog 2

   6 January 2011 at 11:17 am

   Seems only 2.3 mil over 2 years went to 4 Auckland organisations ?

   http://www.minpac.govt.nz/work-and-higher-education-package-for-young-pacific-people-2/

   What happens to the rest of the 4.8 mil ? I hope the PI ministry has it in reserve.

   …as for English. He shoulda been bounced from parliament after he got his ass handed back to him in shreds after the 02 election.

   He’s had a good run, got his snout well and truly swilled up in the trough and sucked the public tit for long enough…someone please give him a map showing where he lives in Dipton again so he can fuck off back there never to be heard from again…

   thanx
   • Colonial Viper 2.1

     6 January 2011 at 11:27 am

     The commentary I read was that the amount of funding was cut right back as a ‘punishment’ to sector interest groups who complained against PEDA. Don’t know if its true however, or if there is now a $2.5M left over slush fund sitting somewhere.
     • alfa 2.1.1

       6 January 2011 at 11:40 am

       You don’t know if it’s true? Well if you’re that unsure of your facts then I would say it’s definitely not true, and you just made it up but you want to distance yourself from a lie.

       What a pathetic post from a pathetic apologist for a pathetic labour party. Eddie labour have to learn a few more tricks other than screaming corruption if they’re going to have any credbility again.

       Remember labour was the party that had a finance minister that led us into the first recession in the world, and instructed the government to pay twice over the odds for a train set, paid for by a crown company with the labour party president as chairman. Corruption? Probably not, but a lot of people got unexpectedly very rich from that transaction. To the tune of half a billion rich.
       • Colonial Viper 2.1.1.1

         6 January 2011 at 11:48 am

         You don’t know if it’s true? Well if you’re that unsure of your facts then I would say it’s definitely not true, and you just made it up but you want to distance yourself from a lie.

         Wow trust you (Mr “We are the Left”) to take a cautious statement and read it as a bad thing! I’d say that the RWNJs are in reaching mode today. If English goes, who remains to support Key with substance? Tolley? Collins? 1st term Joyce?

         Remember labour was the party that had a finance minister that led us into the first recession in the world

         Cullen prepared us with a very low level of public debt, which English is now blowing with his unfunded deficits and incompetent economic management. National’s economic plan for the Global Financial Crisis = 18 cycleways. How’s that working out?

         Eddie labour have to learn a few more tricks other than screaming corruption if they’re going to have any credbility again.

         I agree. Claiming the scalp of another Government Minister should do the trick eh?
         • alfa 2.1.1.1.1

           6 January 2011 at 11:56 am

           Cullen blew all the surplus before the National government came into office, but don’t let facts get in the way of you repeating a lie so often that you believe it’s true. But you would have to be really stupid to believe that the people you repeat this lie to will fall for it.
           • ak 2.1.1.1.1.1

             6 January 2011 at 12:15 pm

             hmmmm…..so puerile insult, “train set” and the Cullen grinch/drunken sailor lunacies are all they can recycle in defence……this could be big. Dig into that PEDA file.
             • Deadly_NZ …

               6 January 2011 at 1:31 pm

               I found this for some interesting reading.
               is interesting the names linked to Peda

               http://pacificeyewitness.com/2010/06/21/peda-ltd-proposal-names-principal-partner-next-months-trip/
               • Rex Widerstrom …

                 6 January 2011 at 4:44 pm

                 Well spotted, Deadly!!

                 Eech what a mess. Looks to me (on the surface anyway) as a nasty little vote-purchasing exercise as opposed to a nest-feathering one as the post implies. And of course an attempt to make a putative National Party candidate look like a hero to “his people” (who, as usual, wouldn’t see a cent of the cash).

                 And I’m sorry, but am I the only person who can’t read “Pacific Island Chamber of Commerce Secretary Inga Tuigamala” without laughing aloud?
           • BLiP 2.1.1.1.1.2

             6 January 2011 at 2:33 pm

             Tell me, alfa, when Blinglish came into office and said on December 18 2008:

             Having condemned his predecessor for many years for paying off debt too quickly, English said: “I want to stress that New Zealand starts from a reasonable position in dealing with the uncertainty of our economic outlook. In New Zealand we have room to respond. This is the rainy day that Government has been saving up for,” he told reporters at the Treasury briefing on the state of the economy and forecasts.”

             . . . was he lying then, or are you lying now?
             • Bright Red …

               6 January 2011 at 3:33 pm

               oh oh, I know this one!

               English was telling the truth in 2008.

               alfa thinks he’s telling the truth but he’s actually just regurgitating spin because he hasn’t bothered to inform himself.
       • pollywog 2.1.1.2

         6 January 2011 at 12:17 pm

         Personally…I’d rather have a train set than a taxcut, especially if i could pimp some wagons out and market them as high end luxury tourist packages.

         couldn’t think of a better way to see the country than by rail…

         …rather that than some stupid cycleway. I mean just where are all these freedom cyclists supposed to shit ?…in a bag and mail it to smile and wave’s place ?
         • Rex Widerstrom 2.1.1.2.1

           6 January 2011 at 4:48 pm

           With instructions to the postman to set it on fire on the doorstep? 😀

           Yeah, I was watching some good old Kiwi music on YouTube last night, blubbering with homesickness, when I came across one guy who’d edited his holiday videos over the music.

           Damn, we have the world’s most diverse natural beauty. Other countries look like bits of NZ, but none can match us for everything.

           So now we’re saddled with a rail network (not something I supported buying, I might add) let’s dress it up and use it!
           • prism 2.1.1.2.1.1

             6 January 2011 at 8:12 pm

             Don’t know if it would be feasible but it would be good to be able to register interest in train travel destinations on a left-wing site, and then if enough had the same travel plans, to reserve a carriage or group seating and be able to talk and meet others with similar views while trundling along.
             • Rex Widerstrom …

               6 January 2011 at 8:29 pm

               = my vision of hell.

               😛 😉
               • prism …

                 6 January 2011 at 8:49 pm

                 Well Rex W – Is it the train journey that makes you shudder or the possible conversation? You like to blog here and discuss. Wouldn’t the chance to sit and natter about current events etc be good? The discussion would keep moving forward for sure. It would probably rarely result in fisticuffs unless some people used the sort of unbridled language that they spew on-line.

                 And it would be a good way to use long travelling times, with the view from the windows real and ‘earthy’ unlike the distant vistas from planes.
                 • Rex Widerstrom …

                   6 January 2011 at 9:01 pm

                   Yes, yes prism I was joking, hence the over-use of smilies at the end. I love train journeys, and even being trapped in a carriage with lefties would do little to dull my enthusiasm 😀

                   OTOH, the idea of luring a group of lefties aboard a fast-moving non-stop train and then revealing that their tour guide was, say, Redbaiter would provide me with a great deal of entertainment…
                   • pollywog …

                     6 January 2011 at 10:35 pm

                     I’d be more likely to get blazed and soak up the sights in silence. 😛
       • Deadly_NZ 2.1.1.3

         6 January 2011 at 1:17 pm

         Yeah true but to the corruption how about we add Deception (Blinglish and PEDA)
         Dishonesty (Tax cuts) Incompetance (One cycle way in 3 years) Vanity ( the shit he went through to meet Pres of USA (AND still didn’t get invited) Dishonesty 2 (The Dalai lama)
         Incompetance 2 (The Borrowing of $9 Billion to pay for taxcuts to the rich)

         And as to the rest Even Blinglish was surprised at how good the books were 2 years ago (They’re fucked now!)

         Yes Labour bought Kiwi Rail after National SOLD it and it had been pretty much asset stripped and was in dire straits and yes we probably paid too much for it BUT all the work being done on the Rails and at least keeping some in work was all arranged by Labour and the work is being done by KIWIS

         Now Kiwi Rail needs new cars where does the Nats go??? to nz?? NO to Fucking CHINA
         which is like them saying to us fuck you…
         • MrSmith 2.1.1.3.1

           7 January 2011 at 4:05 pm

           Can anyone tell me where Jenny Slippery &Wong fitted into the train deal if at all?
       • mickysavage 2.1.1.4

         6 January 2011 at 1:47 pm

         Gee Alfa must have been given the RWNJ manual for christmas!

         Rule 1: Maintain the opposition is not telling the truth vehemently, even if you have no proof whatsoever.
         Rule 2: Characterise an honest appraisal as a weakness. Never ever make any concession yourself.
         Rule 3: Always say that Cullen was a terrible Minister of Finance. Ignore the decade of economic security and all of the glowing Treasury reports and the fact he left the Government’s books in remarkably good shape.
         Rule 4: If in a tight spot talk about trains.
         Rule 5: If there is any sign of corruption on the part of a National Minister see 3 and 4 above.
       • Draco T Bastard 2.1.1.5

         6 January 2011 at 2:10 pm

         The only person lying in this thread so far happens to be you alfa.

         Guess what, National are corrupt – it’s the default position of psychopaths.
         Dr Cullen did not lead us into recession – the GFC did that. He left our books in remarkably good shape according to Bill English himself. Certainly better than what the psychopaths in National would have left us considering their calls for tax cuts throughout the last decade and what tax cuts would have actually done even in good times (collapsed the economy as they always do).

         As for the trains, well, they’re needed infrastructure especially with Peak Oil here and it was national that sold them to the asset strippers in the first place putting us in the position of having to buy them back.
       • Lanthanide 2.1.1.6

         6 January 2011 at 2:21 pm

         It’ll be so nice when the GST stats for December quarter come out and we can conclusively say that NZ is the only country so far to enter a double-dip recession, under National’s watch.

         I’ll be looking forwards to your spin on that one.

         captcha: sincerely
         • mickysavage 2.1.1.6.1

           6 January 2011 at 2:38 pm

           Double Dipton delivers double dip!
         • luva 2.1.1.6.2

           7 January 2011 at 12:15 am

           So you think it will be nice if we have gone into a recession.

           This is why politics is so distasteful to the majority of people. The left will absolutley love it if we are in recession. They will gloat and say we told you so. The left are hoping and praying that the economy has gone backwards.

           So NO Lanthanide, it won’t be nice at all. It will be fucking terrible and anyone who basks in others economic misery needs their head read.
           • Draco T Bastard 2.1.1.6.2.1

             7 January 2011 at 12:21 am

             It will be fucking terrible and anyone who basks in others economic misery needs their head read.

             You mean like all the RWNJs and their bene bashing?

             The left will absolutley love it if we are in recession. They will gloat and say we told you so.

             No, we won’t love it and we won’t gloat but some of us will most definitely point out that we did say that National would trash the economy.
             • luva …

               7 January 2011 at 12:25 am

               Draco

               Lanth is the one who has said it will be nice……Is that the statement of a LWNJ or RWNJ?
               • Draco T Bastard …

                 7 January 2011 at 12:26 am

                 Learn to read sarcasm. It’s like when youngsters use “bad” to mean “good”.
                 • luva …

                   7 January 2011 at 12:29 am

                   sarcasm or not, Lanth isn’t alone in hoping we are in recession for the sole reason of political point scoring
                   • Colonial Viper …

                     7 January 2011 at 12:39 am

                     for the sole reason of political point scoring

                     No mate you got it all wrong.

                     Its for the sake of throwing these NACT tossers out on their ear so we can get on with the job of building a resilient economy and decent society which every New Zealander can participate in and be proud of.
               • lprent …

                 7 January 2011 at 7:00 am

                 A rarity of an actual CNJ ? that is how Lanth reads to me.
                 Frankly I cannot see how anyone could read political blogs (entertaining and diverting as they are) without being some kind of NJ
3. stever 3

   6 January 2011 at 11:36 am

   So, at what point did the formal decision of Parliament to give this money, as they voted to do in the budget, to PEDA, get formally revoked, and by whom, and on what authority?

   Or can the Government actually ignore Parliament? Isn’t that a “constitutional crisis”??
   • pollywog 3.1

     6 January 2011 at 12:19 pm

     must have been one of Gerry the hut’s dictates.
     • ghostwhowalksnz 3.1.1

       6 January 2011 at 1:11 pm

       Its not a big deal to not spend money authorised by the budget. The amounts are normally maximums.

       The problem was the inserting of the ‘earmark’ into the budget in the first place. While this does happen for organisations like Plunket, for an unknown business as PEDA Ltd ( even the name is designed to mislead) its clear that MP Sam Lotu-Liga jacked this up with his friends in the pacific community and English went along with it.
   • Bright Red 3.2

     6 January 2011 at 1:10 pm

     they’ll pass retrospective legislation amending the Budget.

     this actually happens every year when ministries end up not needing money budgeted for some project and spends it on something else instead, Parliament passes tidying-up legislation later. The need to be able to do this is understandable – the government can’t know exactly what it things will turn out to cost etc over a year ahead of time.

     But it’s never done with this kind of callous disregard for due process or so politically. The Budget was barely out of the House when English said ‘oh, we’ll just hand out the money in a different way then’
     • Bright Red 3.2.1

       6 January 2011 at 1:13 pm

       I found an explanation from a parliament paper on the budget process:

       “Expenses or capital expenditure undertaken without authority (otherwise called unappropriated
       expenditure) are unlawful. This includes expenditure in excess of the amount appropriated,
       expenditure outside the scope of an appropriation, or expenditure undertaken without
       appropriation or any other authority (such as under a permanent legislative authority).
       For the financial year ended 30 June 2009, such unappropriated expenditure totalled more than
       $927 million. 11 This unauthorised expenditure has to be separately reported and validated in
       the Appropriations (Financial Review) Act that is passed after each financial year. In this case,
       by section seven of the Appropriation (2008/09 Financial Review) Act 2010.”

       http://www.parliament.nz/NR/rdonlyres/915E92F3-C7F0-4249-B27D-E0DE5FBFC38A/142407/Budget2010AguidePart1Overviewofthefinancialcyclean.pdf
4. just saying 4

   6 January 2011 at 11:56 am

   Problem is, ditching, or even just demoting English would be a popular move especially amongst those pesky swing-nat voters with whom he is deeply unpopular.
   The focus groups may have already spoken…
   • Colonial Viper 4.1

     6 January 2011 at 4:57 pm

     Yeah, sure, Bill English will willingly volunteer to take yet another bullet for the team. Do you really reckon?
     • just saying 4.1.1

       6 January 2011 at 6:28 pm

       Wouldn’t imagine English will be too thrilled if it comes to pass.
       But he is highly dispensible and this sort of thing is the ‘smiling assassin’s’ specialty.
5. deemac 5

   6 January 2011 at 12:38 pm

   in any other country this would be a major scandal. It says a lot about who owns and controls 99% of the NZ media that it isn’t so here.
6. Alwyn 6

   6 January 2011 at 1:53 pm

   This is an entirely useless thing to attack the government on. People simply don’t understand the minute details of what is proposed and then amended in the budget.
   It is only small, and to the parties concerned seemingly inconsequential, items that really stir up a fuss with the public and gain traction.
   Remember the parties that spent money in, according to the Auditor General, illegal ways. The parties involved didn’t think it mattered and some said they weren’t going to pay it back but it was something that was understood by, and reverberated with, the public. In the end all except NZ First said they would pay it back. I’ve never seen any evidence that either the Greens or United Future actually did so but at least they said they would. NZF said they wouldn’t and Winnie is STILL copping flak about it.
   It is the case here. What did the Dom-Post have as their editorial today? It was on Phil Goff and the editorial was about the fact that he had said that he would sell his apartment in Wellington 18 months ago and he hadn’t done it. Worse was that he appeared to have someone being paid by the taxpayer acting as his rental agent.
   Now Phil was doing nothing wrong in renting out a place he happened to own. The problem was that he had promised to do something else and hadn’t done it. People understand that, even including the typically rather stupid journalists. People don’t understand this PEDA story, whatever it is. The most they are going to see that the Government changed its mind.
   Parkinson, of “Parkinson’s Law” explained it all about 60 years ago. He had the Board of a company discussing the building of a Nuclear Power plant for 5 minutes and then spending 4 hours discussing the bicycle shed that the company was also going to build. (I’m making up the times because I don’t have a copy of the book handy but they were that sort of magnitude). The point is that they understand bicycle sheds and they don’t understand Power stations.
   Similarly they understand whether a flat has or has not been sold, they don’t understand the intricacies of budget proposals.
   If you think this is party specific just change the Pansy Wong saga for Phil Goff. It’s the fact that there was the Dom-Post editorial today that makes it so striking.
   • Draco T Bastard 6.1

     6 January 2011 at 2:13 pm

     This is an entirely useless thing to attack the government on.

     No, pointing out the corruption of the present government (which ever government it happens to be) is never useless. In fact, it’s essential so that the government can be prevented from becoming corrupt.
   • Lanthanide 6.2

     6 January 2011 at 2:28 pm

     You’re right Alwyn, which is why this requires the media to boil it down to a nice simple thing to understand: Bill English promised some of hits mates $4.8M in the budget. When put under pressure, he stood by the decision and deflected it to another minister, and eventually backed down and ended up giving the money to other people.

     Pretty simple really and easy for the public to understand.
     • Alwyn 6.2.1

       6 January 2011 at 3:11 pm

       The point however is that the scheme WAS scrapped. Nobody got any money as further study caused them to scrap the idea.
       Talking about Treasury not approving is irrelevant. Wasn’t it Michael Cullen who dismissed their ideas as being “an ideological burp” or words to that effect.
       I don’t think this scheme, and for the life of me I can’t see ANYTHING conceivably criminal about what actually happened, is going to have any resonance at all with the public.
       It is pointless asking the press to make a simple story out of anything at all complicated. Choose things that show a clear wrong-doing and harp on that.
       Does anyone else remember how the extension of the parliamentary offices was canned by Richard Prebble (I think) labelling it as the “Parliamentary Palace” and the Carbon tax was killed by the genius who thought up “the fart tax”
       • Draco T Bastard 6.2.1.1

         6 January 2011 at 3:19 pm

         he point however is that the scheme WAS scrapped.

         no, the point was that the money was allocated in a corrupt manner.
         • Lanthanide 6.2.1.1.1

           6 January 2011 at 8:21 pm

           Yes, this is my point and what I see the narrative is. It really doesn’t matter that the government might’ve fixed their mistake. The problem (and the story) is:
           1. They were corrupt.
           2. They lied about it and tried to cover it up.
       • Bright Red 6.2.1.2

         6 January 2011 at 3:30 pm

         “Talking about Treasury not approving is irrelevant”

         they don’t have to approve of the government’s budget. that isn’t the point. the point is there is a formal budget process for creating new budget allocations. It’s called doing the due dilliegence with taxpayer money. English short-circuited that process. Why?

         “The point however is that the scheme WAS scrapped.”

         So, it’s like attempted robbery isn’t a crime, eh?

         “Nobody got any money as further study caused them to scrap the idea.”

         Actually the moeny went to other orgs, after public embarrassment forced the Nats to open the money up to tender and PEDA – the org that English was trying to give $4.8m – wasn’t good enough to win a cent of it.
   • prism 6.3

     6 January 2011 at 8:22 pm

     I think one important point that Parkinson brought up in his example of committee discussion of bike sheds and nuclear programme was that a weariness sets in as the meeting trails on. After a solid hour of discussion about the bike sheds the chairman says now we have to make a decision on the nuclear program before we finish the meeting and go for dinner etc. Probably says I am sure we all have a clear understanding of this matter and nobody is going to admit to the opposite.
7. M 7

   6 January 2011 at 2:25 pm

   But, but… if English goes Key will only have one sub-alpha to kick around – Gerry – to make himself look good.
8. tc 8

   6 January 2011 at 2:33 pm

   The issue should be pursued based on the sheer arrogance of Blinglish when he’s got more subtle, less questionable devices and the means with which to cover his tracks he goes and does this.

   He knows the MSM will leave it alone besides they have some cycleway openings to cover don’t they?
9. BLiP 9

   6 January 2011 at 2:39 pm

   Hopefully someone will be asking Sam Lotu-Iiga what his involvement in this attempted robbery was.
10. Sanctuary 10

    6 January 2011 at 3:30 pm

    The Herald has scented something tasty over this – it will be interesting to see if the reporters are allowed to keep this story alive. I can’t help but see all the aspects of a humdinger of a scandal in it, it has got hints of troughing for the fat cats, a scent of corruption, and a reduction of that favourite sauce for the talk-back Taliban – free money for brown people to do nothing. What is more, the dish on offer is a salivatingly big one, the deputy PM and finance minister!!!

    Something for everyone in this one then.

    as his nickname tells us, the double dipper of Dipton has already got form in the mind of the public. I can see this bringing him down.
11. prism 11

    6 January 2011 at 8:29 pm

    I have no proof but, knowing there are always tight little groups of self-interested people with money and influence who belong to exclusive clubs in small towns, it seems highly possible that Bill English and his family connections were tightly woven into the SFC debacle. Everyone knows everybodys business in small country towns. If so the payout would then be one of the greatest examples of largesse to cronies of recent times.

Links to post

1. The Standard: posted on 5 January 2011 at 9:26 pm

• Comments are now closed

• Log in
• Donate
• Contribute post

• Articles RSS