Green Party confirms plan for five weeks annual leave

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1. georgecom 1

   16 September 2023 at 2:20 pm

   a slight change of focus but still Greens related. Anyone who is concerned about climate change should want the greens in givernment. Of the larger political parties (yes the Maori party will make progress but they are not larger), they are the one who will make the most meaningful progress in addressing CC. And in order for the Greens to be able to make meaningful progress in Government on CC, we need the Labour party there as well. Recent history shows that pretty clearly. Nine years of the John Key govt, little if any meaningful action on CC. The last Labout govt wanted to introduce a price on agricultural emissions, national opposed it and scrapped it. Key inherited the ETS but did nothing with it. He made a 'deal' with the greens in power, some house insulation.

   Useful but stuff all to address CC. We are starting to see the effects of CC now, not 10 or 20 or 50 years down the road. Our current response to CC is not enough, we need to do more and go further. The current govt has made some useful progress on CC but that is not enough, we urgently need prices on agricultural emissions and we need to kick on from here. A national/act government will result, at the very best, in the status quo, nothing new been done. At worst a partial dismantling of what we already have in place. a national or act government has no plan for CC, they think bau or kicking the can down the road a few years is fine.

   Continual meaningful progress on CC requires the Greens in government and requires the Labour party to be there as well.
2. bwaghorn 2

   16 September 2023 at 2:33 pm

   Why, 4 weeks,12 stats and 10 days sick if you're unhealthy or a slacker is more than enough, way to piss of business owners before an election.

   Dumb policy.
   • weka 2.1

     16 September 2023 at 2:35 pm

     from the post,

     “Everyone should be able to spend quality time with their whānau and friends, but right now Aoteroa is not working for all working people. Tens of thousands of people are working two, sometimes three, jobs just to make ends meet. This leaves hardly any time in the day for people to rest and enjoy time with the people they love,” says Green Party co leader Marama Davidson.
     • bwaghorn 2.1.1

       16 September 2023 at 5:30 pm

       Those people arnt gonna be taking 4 holidays as it is , so it's typical lala land Davidson stuff

       Getting wages up so people only need to do 40 hours and can actually afford holidays should come ahead of another week
       • weka 2.1.1.1

         16 September 2023 at 7:45 pm

         Don't know who you think those people are, but a few years ago Davidson spent a lot of time doing grass roots work in lower income communities in Auckland. The Greens also periodically do projects connecting with the people they are developing policy for. I think your characterising of the Greens as being out of touch is buying into a myth about them.

         Getting wages up so people only need to do 40 hours and can actually afford holidays should come ahead of another week

         Of course.

         2.1 Encourage organisations to pay a ‘living wage’ and limit the ratio of highest to lowest pay rates within the organisation, and to only use suppliers doing likewise.
         2.2. Progressively increase the minimum wage to a level that enables people to cover their costs (see our Workforce Policy).
         2.3. Encourage firms to share profitability with employees including through ownership stakes in companies, such as a cooperative ownership structure.

         and so on.

         https://www.greens.org.nz/household_livelihoods_policy
   • Descendant Of Smith 2.2

     16 September 2023 at 3:46 pm

     Right now we have too many people working long hours and others with no work.

     Bring back time and a half for Saturdays and anything past 8 hours a day and double time for Sundays. This will force employers to choose between paying O/T or actually hiring enough people – or investing in plant that will lift productivity.
     • bwaghorn 2.2.1

       16 September 2023 at 5:31 pm

       I agree we've slipped into a culture of just work harder and harder, but that's different to another week off.
       • weka 2.2.1.1

         16 September 2023 at 7:47 pm

         someone who needs to work a forty hour week plus pick up shifts on the weekend, why would they not benefit from an extra weeks paid leave every year?

         It's not so much slipped into a culture of work harder and harder (although NZ does have a weird work ethic in that regard), it's the pressures of the housing crisis and employment precarity meaning low income people have to work so many more hours just to make ends meet.
         • bwaghorn 2.2.1.1.1

           17 September 2023 at 7:32 am

           Why not make 6 weeks or 7 ,then just a silly policy that makes the greens look irresponsible, hopefully it'll slip off quietly in all the noise
           • weka 2.2.1.1.1.1

             17 September 2023 at 9:46 am

             why have 4 weeks instead of 3 or 2? Four isn't some magically ordained number.

             Neither is the 40 hour week.

             We're going to have higher unemployment, either through automation or climate pressures or both. Best we start exploring ways to transition to less worked hours.
     • SPC 2.2.2

       17 September 2023 at 8:14 am

       Agree.

       And end the requirement of people to be willing to work shifts to get a job.

       There are people prepared to work evenings and weekends as second jobs (to save to buy a house etc), or part-time (students etc).

       And we certainly need investment in tech to improve productivity – reduce dependence on low wage labour – and that will end pressure on infrastructure from heavy migrant worker inflow.
   • Incognito 2.3

     16 September 2023 at 6:16 pm

     Not all businesses are shut on stat days.
     • bwaghorn 2.3.1

       16 September 2023 at 6:25 pm

       The laws a day in leau isn't it, ?
       • Incognito 2.3.1.1

         16 September 2023 at 7:34 pm

         Usually, yes, but not always.

         Days in lieu (alternative holidays)
         If you work on a public holiday and it’s a day you usually work, you may get a paid day off you can take later. This is usually called an alternative holiday or a day in lieu.

         https://www.govt.nz/browse/work/public-holidays-and-work/days-in-lieu-alternative-holidays/
         • Belladonna 2.3.1.1.1

           17 September 2023 at 10:05 am

           That's a bit of a fudge. You get an alternative day off, if you are required to work a public holiday, unless you:

           A. Don't usually work that public holiday day (if your work week doesn't include Mondays, you don't get either a day off or holiday pay for Easter Monday)

           B. Are on call for the holiday – but that doesn't restrict your leisure activities, and don't get called in.

           C. Are only employed to work that public holiday (e.g. casual employee, agreeing to work Easter Monday, doesn't get either holiday pay or an alternative day in lieu.)

           All people with regular hours of work, which include that holiday, either get a day's leave or an alternative holiday.

           https://www.employment.govt.nz/leave-and-holidays/alternative-holidays/#scrollto-when-an-employee-doesn_2019t-get-an-alternative-holiday
3. Mike the Lefty 3

   17 September 2023 at 8:44 am

   Wishful thinking really.

   Labour wouldn't go along with this for fear of making the business community cross and we know that the NACTs want to REDUCE annual leave entitlement, National covertly and ACT openly.
   • weka 3.1

     17 September 2023 at 9:49 am

     One of the ways the Greens effect change is to put out ideas for discussion. Maybe this isn't high on the list of priorities, but it's a good thing to talk about.
     • Grey Area 3.1.1

       17 September 2023 at 3:55 pm

       "Maybe this isn't high on the list of priorities, but it's a good thing to talk about."

       Is it really Weka? Why don't we reclaim the "C word" while we're at it?

       Some of us get the strategic voting thing but with looming disaster on the right vs neoliberal, never apologised for Rogernomics Labour and the Greens with Marama “I am the prevention violence Minister, and I know who causes violence in the world, and it’s white cis men" Davidson at No1 on their list on the left, forgive me if some of us are looking at large dead rats. Yes I'm sure we'll swallow them because we know Luxon/Willis/Seymour will be disastrous for three years for NZ, but it's a really unpleasant place to be.

       It may be TPM party vote for me and I never thought I'd ever say that.
       • weka 3.1.1.1

         17 September 2023 at 4:15 pm

         TPM is a good left wing option imo.

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