Number of Reported Child Abuse cases have dropped

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1. mickysavage 1

   23 January 2015 at 12:57 pm

   I wondered at the statistics Tracey. There was some discussion on Morning Report and Children’s commissioner Russell Willis thought it may be in part because incidents are being referred to non governmental agencies rather than to CYF itself and so CYF do not necessarily capture all the incidents in the statistics. This Government have done it with police offence data, it may be that this is also not evidence that things are actually improving.

   The audio of the interview is at http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/20164585/children's-commissioner-on-child-abuse-statistics
   • Kiwiri - Raided of the Last Shark 1.1

     23 January 2015 at 1:02 pm

     one of the questions that popped up when i heard this was whether this is yet another instance of gnats cooking the books. after all they have done it with the country’s finances, healthcare, etc etc
   • tracey 1.2

     23 January 2015 at 1:02 pm

     Hi Mickey

     I listened to that and wondered about the collection of the data. I guess I WANT to believe that;

     A, they are dropping;
     B. the drop will continue because it is the effect of government policy
     • mickysavage 1.2.1

       23 January 2015 at 1:08 pm

       There was also a recent anomaly about the collection of domestic violence statistics which I blogged about a few months ago (http://thestandard.org.nz/lies-damn-lies-and-crime-statistics/)

       Briefly it records an increase in DV incidents between 2010 and 2013 by about 10% BUT a decrease in incidents where an offence was recorded which dropped by about 17%.

       If the police are not recording offences as often as they used to then it is likely abuse is also being reported less.

       Strange that DV incidents go up but reporting goes down …
       • tracey 1.2.1.1

         23 January 2015 at 1:13 pm

         I hear you. If we were a transparent democracy, we would have information attached to ALL Government Press releases, for those who care to read, that addresses the possibility (or not) of such anomolies.
   • One Anonymous Bloke 1.3

     23 January 2015 at 1:47 pm

     Is this a recent change, that ngos are picking up more work?

     If so, in what sense are this year’s statistics comparable to last years in any meaningful way at all?
     • Macro 1.3.1

       23 January 2015 at 4:36 pm

       Yes it is a recent change and the reality is that now we have no idea whether the total numbers of abused children has dropped or not. 🙁 Non physical (verbal and psychological) abuse cases have not been recorded in these numbers as they were in the past.
2. ghostwhowalksnz 2

   23 January 2015 at 12:58 pm

   “The Government yesterday released child abuse figures for the year ending June 2014. The figure fell by 2306, or 12 per cent, on the previous year.”

   Im suspicious about these sort of ‘government says’ this or that, using numbers which they have collected ( and massaged) to show how good they are.

   We all remember the Wairarapa police team investigating child abuse, who just stuck files in a cabinet and never did any investigation let alone recorded them in the statistics.

   Sometimes a ‘drop’ can come about by simply reducing the hours of the call centre where reports are made !
   • Gosman 2.1

     23 January 2015 at 1:06 pm

     You are mistaking Government with the (supposedly) independent Government agencies that are responsible for reporting. If the Government was attempting to reduce figures using different reporting techniques then it should be easy enough to identify. There will be a paper trail where the Government agency is requested to change. All you need to do is submit an OIO request. Of course you could just continue to mindlessly speculate for political purposes. I wonder which option you are likely to choose…
     • Rosemary McDonald 2.1.1

       23 January 2015 at 1:44 pm

       “There will be a paper trail where the Government agency is requested to change. All you need to do is submit an OIO request. ”

       Hmm. Could be a problem with that. Agencies who contract to the government to provide disability assessements and coordinate services (NASCs) are not subject to the OIA.

       Whanau Ora, and its agencies are not subject to OIA.

       Perhaps some are getting lost in the neoliberal mire?
       • tracey 2.1.1.1

         23 January 2015 at 1:57 pm

         it seems odd to me that organisations getting so much of their operating funds from taxpayer are not subject to oia. hopefully their minister is not hands off so has alot of correspondence with them.
       • McFlock 2.1.1.2

         23 January 2015 at 5:07 pm

         Even if the contracting agencies were subject to OIA, if the reporting criteria changed in the contracting out process there wouldn’t necessarily be a formal request to change the scope of the criteria. Anyone looking to find the change would have to manually compare requirements for each service.

         It is one of the functions a minister would theoretically do before sign-off, but we saw how well ministerial oversight worked with novapay…

         But one never knows, there might well have been a substantial decrease in abuse. We can but hope 🙂
         • One Anonymous Bloke 2.1.1.2.1

           23 January 2015 at 5:41 pm

           I read somewhere that European nations reported a marked decrease in violence against children after they outlawed “physical correction”, aka assault.

           Pretty sure it was one of the submissions to the “anti-National Party Parenting Style” bill.
           • Naturesong 2.1.1.2.1.1

             23 January 2015 at 8:48 pm

             Credit where it’s due; National did vote for the amendment.
   • tracey 2.2

     23 January 2015 at 1:08 pm

     Ghost

     See my response to Mickey

     I figured commenters would address the possible stats and lies issue 😉

     I would hope that any government’s stat collection on such an important issue would include all sources (i.e. non government orgs). We shouldn’t need to do OIA’s every time the government releases something like this, it should be included and/or attached to the Press release.

     I listened to the reporter from Canberra this morning. The Aussies seem much more grown-up about politics in many ways than we do. They seem to have seen through Abbott quickly. Apparently he pursues things if they save money, and if they turn out to not be so great just drops them… sound familiar? But Aussies are apparently expecting and now demanding coherent policy direction first… (mind you they voted him in). Take, also, the recent incident of an on court television presenter asking a world class female athlete to “give us a twirl” (so “we” can see what and who you are wearing). Apparently this too has been met with widespread amazement and embarrassment. Our PM would probably tell us which tennis player he fantasizes about (cf the actress he drooled about).

     Our children hear how our leaders speak of people. They hear how their parents speak of men and women, beneficiaries, disabled,rich and they accept it for themselves. THAT is why leadership matters.
3. greywarshark 3

   23 January 2015 at 1:18 pm

   The picture of Anne Tolley?/woman looks like a career woman hard-line jail governor. Just my quick reaction to it. And the falling stats for child abuse. Unbelievable. Somewhere they have been sidelined into a dark room and manipulated, then let back into the sunlight. Things aren’t getting better. And no change with system or it worsening, will be matched by the stats for violence and harm and pervading angst.
4. One Anonymous Bloke 4

   23 January 2015 at 3:23 pm

   I don’t believe this statistic.

   We’ve seen this government massage the figures too many times to trust anything they say at face value. In particular, the way public expenditure has been removed from OIA scrutiny is a major cause for concern (leaving the ideological pretence that the private sector is a more efficient service provider to one side).

   I wish I did believe this statistic because it would be a good bit of news.

   Look for anyone in a position of authority who contradicts it to be given the Slater treatment. They probably already have been, given the overt threats the National Party has made against charitable organisations.
5. kiwigunner 5

   23 January 2015 at 3:58 pm

   I work in a low decile school. It is always clear when things are tough out there or when they are improving for the school community I mean. This reflects then on the children. My observation is that over recents years things have gotton tougher and this is evidenced by less folk paying for school trips, less shoes on the feet of the children and more children coming to breakfast club each day. It is also reflected in my spending more time on suspected chidl abuse / neglect cases last year than any time in the previous seven years. So in my little corner of NZ this data rings a little falsely.
   • Tracey 5.1

     23 January 2015 at 4:23 pm

     thanks for the anecdotal evidence kiwigunner.
   • greywarshark 5.2

     23 January 2015 at 4:25 pm

     Just a note about the report on radionz this a.m. – that parents are noticing a rise in the demands for schools’ parent contributions. Now includes for many, $500 for a laptop or whatever. Bloody ridiculous poncey ideas about what constitutes education for the youngster’s future needs and advantage.

     The world’s circumference was worked out by ancient Egyptians I think. The Persians had something else was it calculus, the Greeks, the Indians thought up the concept of nought. PC. That is pre-computer. We have so much information now that nobody can be bothered with it, we can’t take it all in. Instead we make up stories that relect our wishes and ignore the facts (emperors clothes etc.) Favourite quote goes – People can’t comprehend things like infinity, so instead we ignore it mostly, and sit down and eat cheese on toast. (NB If you mix a little mustard in with the cheese it’s very tasty.)

     Learning how to process facts and information yourself with the computer as an adjunct is what is needed. But well-off countries must have their toys. Pity that we are expected to live like a well-off country for the sake of the pride of the would-bes. Just keep papering over the cracks dear, they’ll never know what a sham we are.
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     • Tracey 5.2.1

       23 January 2015 at 4:26 pm

       We could try an informal scheme.

       For one year decile 10 parents make their school donation to a decile 1 school and vice versa, and the academics study the results.
       • JanM 5.2.1.1

         23 January 2015 at 4:34 pm

         That would be interesting, no doubt, but of questionable value, s abuse can be the result of stress and is therefore not confined to the poor. The rich hide their goings-on as they tend to have material wealth and friendly legal beagles to hide behind,
         • Tracey 5.2.1.1.1

           23 January 2015 at 4:50 pm

           I was thinking more from a financial point-of-view than abuse. It might be one way to assist the higher earners to have some understanding of what you don’t get if you can’t pay school fees.
           • JanM 5.2.1.1.1.1

             23 January 2015 at 5:03 pm

             Yes, that would be instructive – you’d have to offer personality transplants in many cases, though, as many of the rich are used to yelling and screaming until they get their own way 🙂
     • One Anonymous Bloke 5.2.2

       23 January 2015 at 4:34 pm

       What a load of bollocks. Like arguing that today’s kids don’t need paper because their slate is enough.

       National Party vandalism underfunds low decile schools because their education policy is bigotry with lots of small print. School “fees” are a small aspect of that vandalism.

       Sheet it home to your local National Party parrot, harass the fuck out of them, because this government only has a one seat majority: hunting parrots is in this nation’s best interests.
     • Murray Rawshark 5.2.3

       23 January 2015 at 7:35 pm

       Being a little pedantic here, but:

       “The world’s circumference was worked out by ancient Egyptians I think.”

       A Greek, Eratosthenes. The measurements that he based his calculation on were done in Egypt.

       “The Persians had something else was it calculus,”

       Calculus was invented by the Europeans Isaac Newton and Gottfried Liebniz in the 17th century. The Indian mathematician Bhaskara II plagiarised their work five hundred years earlier and claimed to have invented differential calculus. Europeans are still doing this, with Roy Glauber earning a Nobel Prize in Physics that should have gone to George Sudarshan.

       “the Greeks, the Indians thought up the concept of nought.”

       Babylonians, Indians and Mayans all independently invented (discovered?) zero.

       But I agree with your basic premise. Learning to use a computer gives access to a heap of data, but unless a person has developed the means to evaluate and process it, it can be worse than useless.
6. JanM 6

   23 January 2015 at 4:08 pm

   Theses statistics are essentially meaningless – the differences are too small to be significant and there are too many possible variables.
   The very stressful, competitive society we live in will always have a number of ‘victims’ and children, lacking any real independence, are the most likely to fall into that category. Until we start paying real attention to the social causes and show we ‘give a shit’ enough to do something about them, numbers may go up and down slightly, but it really is a case of ‘lies, damn lies and statistics’.
   There are good programmes available for schools and pre-schools to support children seeking help – encouraging attitudes of ‘my body belongs to me’, but results, I imagine will be somewhat variable, and not helped by the fact that there has developed some well-founded negativity about CYF from the ‘frontliners’ (usually teachers) based on past experience.

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