Only there for the photo-ops

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1. Fustercluck 1

   5 November 2012 at 12:24 pm

   I recall the lapdog press applauding Whittall as he laid the early smokescreen for his masters. One of the most disgusting displays of journalistic incompetence I have ever observed. Remember the Australian reporter pilloried for daring to question the appointment of a “country cop” to run a technical underground mine rescue?
   • Colonial Viper 1.1

     5 November 2012 at 3:38 pm

     Our media was pathetic and weak. The locals of the Coast were poorly served by what passed itself off as journalism.
2. vto 2

   5 November 2012 at 12:35 pm

   The owners and directors of this company were negligent in the performance of their olbligations to such an extent that 29 men were killed dead.

   This negligence manifested itself through incomplete drilling on the access tunnel, while all the money went on drilling holes onb the actual ore body (this is better for share price of course), which was evidenced by the need to go back to the public for more funds when the access tunnel ran into granite.

   This negligence manifested itself in the ownership structure being a one-off menagerie of investors with no common goal other than to make a bundle out of the coal. This company had no history and no culture and no future. This resulted in the flawed management on site who the directors continually turned a blind eye to.

   This negligence manifested itself in offering bonuses if the miners could get out a certain amount of coal by a certain date. Bugger safety and other standards.

   This negligence mainfested itself in the company never having enough money to do the job properly. How many times did it have to go back to the public for funds? Way too many.

   All of the above was public knowledge before and immdiately after the killings, as was pointed out at the time. The media’s fawning over Whittall was pathetic and wrong.

   In the same way failings in the rescues following the Chch earthquake were highlighted shortly after the event, these failings were evident but simply ignored or not questioned.

   I am going to say, for both events, told you so ….
   • Bill 2.1

     5 November 2012 at 12:50 pm

     This negligence manifested itself through incomplete drilling on the access tunnel…

     Seeing as how it was illegal from as far back as 1813(?) in the UK to work a mine that had only one access/exit point, I find it incredible that NZ, a country colonised by the UK and that adopted the widespread use of UK legislation, allowed for such a thing in the 21st C.
     • vto 2.1.1

       5 November 2012 at 12:57 pm

       What I was referring to there Bill was the following …. when you find and prove a mine there need to be plenty of drill holes sunk onto the actual ore body so that there is certainty around how much ore there is. The same thing needs to be done to gain certainty around how easily the ore body can be mined – as such, especially in this case with a 2.4km long access tunnel, there need to be plenty of drill holes sunk into the access route so that you know what you have to go through to get to the ore body.

       This second lot of drill holes to establish the route was not done anywhere near to the extent it needed to be done. And because of this lack of drill holes the company ran into an unknown area of granite when it started putting in the access tunnel. This cost much more to go through and so the company ran out of money.

       If the company had done the correct work previously then it would have known about this area of granite. This debacle is indicative of how this company operated – from day one to its final.

       The ownership and directorship was deadly negligent.
       • Bill 2.1.1.1

         5 November 2012 at 1:09 pm

         I misunderstood your point then. But my question is still legitimate and is simply – why was the mine allowed to become operational when it only had a single entry/exit point? It’s fucking insane and has been known to be fucking insane for generations.
         • vto 2.1.1.1.1

           5 November 2012 at 3:11 pm

           The answer to that is found in ‘self-regulation’, the most bizarre pairing of words ever…..

           But get how crazy this thinking gets and how far it goes…… now the same ideologues want the heavy trucking industry to self-regulate as well.

           you gotta ask yourself
         • Draco T Bastard 2.1.1.1.2

           5 November 2012 at 3:39 pm

           I believe it had a second access point – it just wasn’t operational.
           • Colonial Viper 2.1.1.1.2.1

             5 November 2012 at 3:42 pm

             Like the chained up fire exit out of a cinema which burned down.
           • McFlock 2.1.1.1.2.2

             5 November 2012 at 3:43 pm

             wasn’t the secondary escape route a 50 or 100m ladder in a vent shaft? Something stupid like that managed to tick off the “safe” box.
             • vto …

               5 November 2012 at 3:47 pm

               yes that’s it mcflock. And nobody had tested it by climbing it – apparently everybody used to get too knackered because it was too high etc.

               Amazing I know – but these items paint the picture of the people and the organisation/s running the show. And that picture is ugly and deadly.
     • Bill 2.1.2

       5 November 2012 at 1:07 pm

       Correction. It was the aftermath of the Hartley Mine disaster that entombed 199 men and boys that led to the 1862 Act of Parliament whereby it was “compulsory for all new mines to have two shafts, while all existing mines must have another shaft sunk before 1st January 1865.”

       http://www.bbc.co.uk/legacies/work/england/tyne/article_4.shtml

       Meanwhile, over 150 years later in NZ….
       • Colonial Viper 2.1.2.1

         5 November 2012 at 3:41 pm

         Jeeezus H Krist. Good find Bill, but so saddening.
3. vto 3

   5 November 2012 at 12:45 pm

   If corporate manslaughter comes into existence as it is in many other places…….

   …… then so too should political manslaughter.

   Politicians dismantled the mine safety regime, which led directly to death. Clear cut.
   • Draco T Bastard 3.1

     5 November 2012 at 12:55 pm

     +1

     We really do need to hold politicians to account for passing legislation that results in predictable deaths.
     • vto 3.1.1

       5 November 2012 at 2:32 pm

       If the crime of political manslaughter was in existence today it would be interesting to see how far the No More Warrants of Fitness for your Car Bill would get through Parliament …………
4. fustercluck 4

   5 November 2012 at 1:06 pm

   Further to my comments regarding journalists, we should also create the crime of journalistic accessory to manslaughter/murder. Failure by the MSM to properly hold these corporate/government criminals to account is a shameful chapter in the rather tatty history of NZ journalism.
5. Fisiani 5

   5 November 2012 at 1:42 pm

   Yet another partsan post simply to try to unfairly throw muck at John Key, the most popular Prime Minister ever.Pathetic
   Key has kept his word. No one has ever presented him with a plan to safely get the bodies out.
   When there is such a plan and he ignores it feel free to throw as much muck as you can.
   • ropata 5.1

     5 November 2012 at 1:53 pm

     Key has not kept his word.
     People who hero worship politicians are pathetic.
     (GW Bush was also very popular for a couple of years post 911. )

     There is no plan to get the miners out because there is no political will and no more money to be made.
     • Fisiani 5.1.1

       5 November 2012 at 2:33 pm

       Solid Energy bought the mine because once it is rendered safe enough to extract the bodies it is safe enough to mine the thousands of tons of coal and there is a lot of money to be made even with the current low price of coal. Key has only broken his word once. He promised tax cuts in I think 2010 but due to the GFC he had to defer them.
       Some posters here would love nothing more than for JK to ignore the technical advice and send a team of body recovery volunteers down the mine. Then the methane laden mine explodes and more are dead. “Killed by JK’s political expediency” would be the headline. Utterly pathetic.
       • crashcart 5.1.1.1

         5 November 2012 at 3:14 pm

         Just the once. I seem to remember the nice honest Mr Key promising not to put up GST. I guess that wasn’t him breaking his word in your totally balance unbiased view of that lovely man Mr John Key.

         Of course his promise to hold MP’s to a higher standard of ethics when he became PM wasn’t broken with his recent treatment of both John Banks and Paula Bennet either.

         Those two are just off the top of my head so feel fre eto stick to your line of one broken promise.
         • Fisiani 5.1.1.1.1

           5 November 2012 at 3:28 pm

           Yey Just the one broken promise and he fessed up to it. No matter how often you claim the discredited GST canard it never stacks up as broken promise/
           Key has applied a higher standard then Helen Clark ever did to Philip Field.
           • felix 5.1.1.1.1.1

             5 November 2012 at 3:34 pm

             Err, lolwut?

             “National is not going to be raising GST” isn’t a promise to not raise GST?
   • mike e 5.2

     5 November 2012 at 3:09 pm

     Remember what Gerry Brownoselee said as media and family criticised Pike River coal for taking short cuts with safety.
     brownoselee said a company that spent $300 million on a mine wouldn’t take short cuts !
     Yeah right!
6. JonL 6

   5 November 2012 at 2:28 pm

   Fisiani……Fuckwit……both start with the letter F…..coincidence?…..I think not!

   [lprent: Fis has this correct – read the policy. That was pointless abuse. Don’t repeat unless you want a holiday from the site.. ]
   • Fisiani 6.1

     5 November 2012 at 2:34 pm

     Read the Policy.

     [lprent: Probably works better if you link to it. http://thestandard.org.nz/policy is enough. ]
     • mike e 6.1.1

       5 November 2012 at 3:00 pm

       Fisianal we should send you into the mine as you are so far up Shonkeys ass that you’d be used to lack of oxygen and concentration of methane!

       [lprent: Ditto. ]
       • Fisiani 6.1.1.1

         5 November 2012 at 3:28 pm

         Read the Policy
         • Colonial Viper 6.1.1.1.1

           5 November 2012 at 3:33 pm

           I think Fisi’s feelings are hurt. Poor Fisi, I’ll get JonL to go easy on you OK?
         • vto 6.1.1.1.2

           5 November 2012 at 3:33 pm

           Read the news.

           Then you could gain some understanding of subjects and make some comment. Like on this subject of 29 dead men and the reasons for them being killed – many of which turn on the various centrepieces of right-wing ideology.
7. Pascal's bookie 7

   5 November 2012 at 3:59 pm

   Kate Wilkinson; resigned.
8. Pete 8

   5 November 2012 at 4:03 pm

   Kate Wilkinson has resigned her portfolio.
9. Pete 9

   5 November 2012 at 4:12 pm

   The reduction in FTEs at the Department of Labour over 4 years is quite marked

   31/12/2008 – 2044
   30/06/2011 – 1950
   31/12/2011 – 1929
   30/06/2012 – 1833

   Source: http://www.ssc.govt.nz/sites/all/files/capping-dec11.pdf ; http://www.ssc.govt.nz/sites/all/files/capping-june12.pdf

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