Open mike 04/06/2024

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22 comments on “Open mike 04/06/2024 ”

  1. AB 1

    Every time I turn on the radio I hear Luxon or Willis crapping on about "fiscal cliffs" and "fiscal holes" left by Labour – and especially so in justifying the CoC's failure to fund the 13 promised cancer drugs.

    The story of these supposed cliffs and holes is in danger of becoming the received wisdom of the day. My understanding is that time-limited funding is quite normal, and that when a time-limited programme is going to be continued, it is covered through the operating allowance. Therefore, the continuation of time-limited programmes becomes problematic only if a government decides to radically cut the operating allowance – as Willis has done in this budget, and Labour had no intention of doing.

    If this is right (and I'm open to correction), why the hell are Hipkins and Barbara Edmonds not calling press conference after press conference and screaming to the rafters about the lies?

    • aj 1.1

      Absolutely agree AB. I suspect it's too late.

    • gsays 1.2

      It is concerning, the apparent lack of an opposition particularly Labour.

      From Shane Jones blatant disregard for the environment, Luxon and crew's broken promises (as listed by Incognito) through to Taxpayers Union filming in parliament.

      These are just easy points to make while also detailing what Labour would do differently.

      • weka 1.2.1

        I hope the Opposition are busy strategising, and not just doing damage limitation on the back foot. It's probably ok they take some time this year to sort their shit out (all the opposition parties).

        • gsays 1.2.1.1

          I do too, (strategising), but for an organisation that big is it too much to ask that they walk and chew gum?

          • weka 1.2.1.1.1

            I still cut Labour some slack because of the pandemic. Few really acknowledged the toll of working under such high prolonged stress in what is an already stressful job. Whatever is going on with individuals, that's going to have impacted on organisational aspects.

            That's not an excuse, but I don't think hard man NZ is the way out of something like that. It's not like we're out of the pandemic's shadow either.

        • Drowsy M. Kram 1.2.1.2

          Our government has changed, so (of necessity sad) shitty (regressive) short-term 'planning' has gone up a gear – gotta absorb billions in tax relief to landLords somehow. By the time the shit really hits the fan/polls, current govt MPs will be planning their next stint in opposition (or, in the case of canny Winston First MPs, in govt) – either that or a new role in the private sector and/or consultancy.

          Of the 60 headlines on Scoop's first page of "Latest Parliament Headlines":

          47 are from the govt, govt departments, ministers or parties of the govt
          4 are from the Labour party
          7 are from the Green party
          1 is from Te Pāti Māori
          1 is from FIRST Union (?)

          Hang on, there’s another one from Labour late this morning:

          More Than $1.5 Billion Slashed From Housing [4 June, 11:53 am]
          Fewer public homes, maintenance funding slashed and millions gone from rangatahi youth transitional housing and Māori housing.

          Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone…

          Like most of us, opposition parties may be strategising about how best to apportion their efforts and resources between mitigation and adaptation (to govt shit), real opportunities for mitigation being few and far between for the next wee while.

          Re "sort their shit out", thank goodness they don't have to please everyone.

          • weka 1.2.1.2.1

            Are you saying that the Opposition is impotent due to circumstance?

            • Drowsy M. Kram 1.2.1.2.1.1

              Are you saying that the Opposition is impotent due to circumstance?

              Yes, largely impotent – there being few opportunities to mitigate (the effects of) govt shit (policies), due to the circumstance of being in opposition and (to quote Belladonna) "the highly oppositional nature of NZ politics".

              The opposition isn't completely impotent, but typically it can influence parliamentary legislation only with (some) govt support (bipartisanship). The willingness of NZF/ACT to support a Green Party bill is a (rare) example.

              Why did ACT and NZ First break with National on restoring citizenship to people born in Western Samoa? [11 April 2024]

              Imho [and this is very much a case of do as I suggest, not as I do], Aotearoa NZ would be better off if there was greater parliamentary agreement/consensus on major long-term infrastructure projects (ferries on/off), health policies (smoking ban/repeal; Pharmac funding), minimum wage increases (above / below inflation), Māori seats/wards (good/bad), climate change initiatives (more/less EV incentives; realistic commitments to agricultural emissions reductions), increasing the age of eligibility for superannuation (yes/no), taxation, etc. etc. But politics is adversarial, so our representatives expend energy disagreeing, rather than working towards compromise/consensus. And why not, when a party can reverse its policy on some issues from one election to the next, acclimatising Kiwis to yo-yo / start-stop / flip-flop politics.

              https://www.interest.co.nz/rural-news/122531/guy-trafford-finds-nationals-opportunistic-climate-policy-flip-flops

              https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/490887/national-s-backdown-on-bipartisan-housing-accord-a-massive-flip-flop-sepuloni

              Political division/polarisation rules, resulting in a quite dysfunctional state of political affairs: three steps forward and two back, or two steps forward and three back, depending on your PoV, issue by issue, govt by govt.

              Beyond COVID-19: five actions which would improve the health of all New Zealanders [NZMJ, 22 May 2020]
              We need to reflect carefully on the fact that in 2020 our political leaders united in bipartisan agreement to make dramatic changes to our way of life in the interests of public health.

              Sure, our pandemic response wasn't perfect, but it was better than many.

              Consensus welcomed [10 May 2024]
              BusinessNZ is congratulating the Minister of Climate Change for his work in achieving cross-party consensus for a way forward on climate adaptation.

              BusinessNZ has been advocating strongly for consensus on long-term issues that will affect New Zealanders’ lives to 2050 and beyond, and we are delighted to see moves in that direction – kudos to all parties involved,” Catherine Beard said.

              Now our Minister for Climate Change can turn his attention to achieving cross-party consensus for a way forward on global warming mitigation – maybe a first step would be to agree that civilisation on spaceship Earth doesn't have the luxury of time to persist with a "going slower to go faster" approach.

    • Nic the NZer 1.3

      The only difference between time limited and non time limited funding is, you explicitely said the time limited funding was planned to end earlier on in your forecast.

      As the CoC has demonstrated this doesn't actually imply any funding will continue or that other additional budget priorities won't be pursued anyway. The main thing Willis statements highlight is how committed to making budget cuts this govt are.

    • Matiri 1.4

      Was the policy a good one in the first place? Could National have delivered it without undermining Pharmac? What’s the truth behind the fiscal cliff?

      Professor Chris Jackson, oncologist writes in Newsroom:

      https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/06/04/cancer-patients-will-die-waiting-on-govts-failed-election-promise/

  2. bwaghorn 2

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350292093/government-halts-new-school-build-nightmare-commute-continues

    Imagine voting for national as most in omokora would I'd guess, and have them cancel your new school!!

    • Grey Area 2.1

      Nah, it's all good. It's Labour's fault.

    • tc 2.2

      Diverting funds to sort out those choked roads by funding more orange cones so job done.

      The good folk of omokoroa will have to use all that extra cash they're getting from Nicola on transport costs…. sorted.

  3. mikesh 3

    Are any of the motor companies thinking of importing those inexpensive EVs, the ones that Biden wants to impose a 100% tarrif on.

  4. Ad 4

    I'd have to rank Obrador's Presidential continuity to Sheinbaum as an outstanding left-politics lineage that has been carefully orchestrated and fought for.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/world/andres-manuel-lopez-obrador-legacy-interview/

    This article on The Nation interviews several left Mexican analysts on what to expect from this new left president, and some of the continuity to Obrador.

  5. newsense 5

    Crazy- turns out most industries need decades of consistent government to function and putting in crazy powers legislation and calling any concerns every name under the sun is very bad for business as

    a)it makes locals notice you and b) automatically think badly of your business and industry almost irrespective of what you do.

    Perhaps a short dose of the worst government in half a century may be worth it if the opposition get their act together.

    https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/04-06-2024/shane-jones-pro-mining-culture-war-risks-destroying-the-industry-he-loves

    • Ad 5.1

      Great to see an experienced ex-MBIE bureaucrat with sector knowledge giving a sage view of the impact of politics on regulation and on the mining industry generally.

      I was up at the central Otago Macrae gold mine on the weekend, and what used to be a constrained operation in the 1990s is now of a scale that the entire state highway has been shifted a couple of kilometres to accommodate new mining, there are two massive dewatering lakes on either side of the road, and the tailings are of a scale that they have formed their own range.

      There's every reason to believe the new mine being prepared behind Tarras will be just as massive and with a similar scale of environmental effects.

      Believe it or not, it is this scale of landscape alteration that is the dominant mode since the founding of New Zealand.

      • Obtrectator 5.1.1

        And all that to extract a metal which looks nice but can't actually be used for making anything useful (apart from some bits and pieces of electronics), and which is only valuable because everyone's decided to agree that it is.

    • tc 5.2

      "… if the opposition get their act together. "

      Yes a massive IF given the free hits available already across the board. They must start now and be consistent with this useless owned Media unable to ask basic questions like 'how does not exploring over the last few years for oil and gad solve electricity demand today minister brown ?'

  6. aj 6

    The modern pickpockets.

    The Age of Recoupment

    How power, technology, and opportunity have come together to gouge consumers.

    https://prospect.org/economy/2024-06-03-age-of-recoupment/

  7. Adrian 7

    I think Labour and the Greens have been trying to get attention but maybe it just doesn’t get past the editors. TPM get some attention but only by making some quite outlandish demands and statements, that’s their job but it may well be counter productive. McAnulty comes across well, very considered with a nice sly humour. I think that is working well.