Open Mike 19/06/2018

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  1. DB 1
    19 June 2018 at 6:11 am

    Delicious irony as rich parents butt heads against a corporate wall.

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/06/17/123505/when-corporate-culture-clashes-with-education

    Who’d have thought it, they don’t give a toss.

    • tc 1.1
      19 June 2018 at 7:00 am

      From the article “The overwhelming feeling at the meeting was that we had been screwed over by a corporation that didn’t care about our children….”

      That’s how national ran education so is anyone surprised this behaviour exists in the sector. Felt like how some describe Akl grammar these days to me also.

      Living in a zone and forking out the cash doesn’t mean youre getting value…..it never did, wake up people.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 1.2
      19 June 2018 at 10:48 am

      Trickle-down erodes the middle class. Who to eat next?

    • Gabby 1.3
      19 June 2018 at 2:26 pm

      I’m sure they were responsible and bought posh school closure insurance.

  2. Ffloyd 2
    19 June 2018 at 7:20 am

    Hector Espiner back to his usual badgering bullying tone. Doesn’t seem to be working though.

  3. Ad 3
    19 June 2018 at 7:34 am

    Awesome to hear Trump blame the Democrats for forcing the separation of children at Mexican border when it’s not law and he controls all parts of government.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 3.1
      19 June 2018 at 7:48 am

      Worth a read..

      …evil against children may not be okay, but abusing Democrats works…

      This isn’t a byproduct. Child separation as punishment, on display, was always a feature not a bug.

      Sanctions on his business interests, his real estate, his children, his enablers. Interpol arrest warrants for the lot of them. Bullets wouldn’t be an ideal solution but I could live with it.

      • Sabine 3.1.1
        19 June 2018 at 8:01 am

        he advertised it.

        He was very vocal about what he was going to do , and he is doing it.

        Those of us that warned the cheerleaders of the future to come were poopoo’ed.

        I hope that his cheerleaders will suffer a life time of swallowing saliva that tastes like shit.

        • Ad 3.1.1.1
          19 June 2018 at 8:50 am

          There are already plenty of Senators and Congress reps and Fox News commentators saying cages for children aren’t that bad, or aren’t really cages.

          Every time a film clip is sneaked out of the Detention Centres from here on in, they are going to get burnt hard.

          • Sabine 3.1.1.1.1
            19 June 2018 at 9:36 am

            I don’t care if they get burned. I want them to swallow shit and piss for the rest of their lifes, and that includes ANY cheerleaders that could not wait for that orange piece of shit to get voted in in order to bring ‘change’. And i include all and any of the resident cheerleaders especially CV. Shit and piss no matter what you eat, not matter how much and how often you brush your teeth, cut your tongue and it will still be shit and piss.

            I am fully out of snark.

            I would also like to remind people of Theresienstadt, who was inspected by the international Red Cross with much fanfare to find ‘nothing untowards’.
            Fuck goodwin, and fuck his cheerleaders, enablers and third party voters. Fuck em.

            You want to know why not voting for these people is so important, that the lesser evil is sometimes the better choice, The lesser evil, while not being the Unicorn the left seems to need in order to get ‘engaged and inspired and lovely dovey’ does not remove the progress made, progress for women, children, and all others that are not white, male, heterosexual and their assorted arsekissers and bootlickers.

            • Alan 3.1.1.1.1.1
              19 June 2018 at 9:43 am

              cunts last night and now shit, piss and fuck.
              Weka, Weka?

              • Sabine …
                19 June 2018 at 9:44 am

                oh dear, you are upset?

                Sad!

                • Alan …
                  19 June 2018 at 9:53 am

                  no, not at all, but it probably puts a few people off reading and commenting, which after all is the point of a blog

                  • Sabine …
                    19 June 2018 at 10:01 am

                    honestly if people are’nt put off after everyday Gosman, Wayne, and other assorted bullshitters come here and infect every thread with their offerings, they surely will not be offended by me wishing Trump supporters to taste shit and piss every time they swallow.
                    But then, who knows there are a lot of things right wingers have no issue with it, child abuse – be it by witholding funds from the mother as Winz drones under Anne Tolley and Paula Bennett have done,, – or by republicans in the US seems to not give them a hard time. Cause ….reasons.

              • solkta …
                19 June 2018 at 9:48 am

                Weka never pulled me up for swearing. I’ve never used that “c” word though.

              • Robert Guyton …
                19 June 2018 at 2:51 pm

                Count the number of times James used those words…
                (like a pig in muck).

                • James …
                  19 June 2018 at 2:58 pm

                  Context Robert, context.

                  I say it’s bad. You seem happy accepting it.

                  • Robert Guyton …
                    19 June 2018 at 4:23 pm

                    James, you are trolling; taking “offensive” words and repeating them ad nauseum, being a smart-arse, adding nothing to the discussion. Leave out the “butter wouldn’t melt in mouth” crap; you’re trying to disrupt, put a spanner in the works, take the “high” ground; but your no more than a troll, stirring muck for your own perverse pleasure. Others here suggest that you “grow up”, b*gger off”, get a life and I’m sympathetic to their calls. James, you are boring us to death, we don’t trust what you say, we don’t enjoy your contributions, we don’t respect your point of view. What more can I say? The quality of your comments, dull and pointless in months gone by, has deteriorated into foul-mouthed sniping; have you no personal pride, no standards of behaviour? Puckish Rogue, for all his faults, is rarely offensive: you James, are unfailingly offensive. Grow. Up.
                    And enjoy the experience 🙂

    • marty mars 3.2
      19 June 2018 at 7:54 am

      Yep the trump is going to pay a heavy price for this with a bit of luck but probably not

      “US President Donald Trump has attacked the German government’s approach to immigration, as he comes under pressure over his own crackdown on migrants.”

      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44524873

      What a scum trump is and many other governments are not too far behind including our one. Separating children from their parents – colonisation 101 – they’ve been doing it, like forever!

      • tc 3.2.1
        19 June 2018 at 9:53 am

        At no extra cost you get the hypocrisy of quoting the bible as a defense by the white house just to rub some salt in.

        This is a deliberate and provocative action with wonderful examples of humanity like Jeff Sessions supporting it.

        Parents are being told their kids are being taken away for a bath…..it’s dickensian shit.

        Colbert was scathing about this practice in an opening monologue last week. Notice it’s the comedians actually standing up against this whereas the msm……mmmm.

        • Adrian 3.2.1.1
          19 June 2018 at 10:30 am

          Isn’t that what they were told about the showers at Auschwitz ?
          Fair game now to call Trump et al Nazis

          • riffer 3.2.1.1.1
            19 June 2018 at 11:06 am

            Since we’re all about the Godwins today I’ll admit to wondering how long it would be before Trump announced his final solution to the problem of the Mexican untermenschen.

          • Anne 3.2.1.1.2
            19 June 2018 at 11:50 am

            Any mention of Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin (pick your favourite) in reference to Trump is now fair game.

            How can the Brits justify inviting him to visit Britain next month now?

            And Prince Harry tells his Dad-in-law to “give Trump a chance”. What a chump!

            • Sacha 3.2.1.1.2.1
              19 June 2018 at 1:32 pm

              Didn’t the Brits invent the concentration camp?

              • Gabby …
                19 June 2018 at 1:37 pm

                No.

              • arkie …
                19 June 2018 at 1:52 pm

                The first use of concentration camps was the in the US in 1830’s, the Brits used them during the Boer War. Both countries, like their eugenics programs, preceded/inspired the Nazis use of them.

                • Stuart Munro …
                  19 June 2018 at 3:15 pm

                  I used to think that too, until someone pointed out that the Brits were copying ACW prison camps.

            • p 3.2.1.1.2.2
              19 June 2018 at 7:28 pm

              Anne, According to a journalist/magazine?

          • Anne 3.2.1.2.1
            19 June 2018 at 12:00 pm

            I hope this turn of events marks the beginning of the end of the road for Trump and his evil team of despots and religious nuts.

            I never thought the day would come when I would support the “lock em up and throw away the key” brigade but in this instance… bring it on!

        • humma 3.2.1.3
          19 June 2018 at 6:30 pm

          I do believe even in NZ parents are separated from their children if they are incarcerated. So lets all calm down people. Obama did it too and nary a cry. Hypocrisy much!

          • solkta 3.2.1.3.1
            19 June 2018 at 6:41 pm

            Obama did it too and nary a cry.

            citation needed.

          • Anne 3.2.1.3.2
            19 June 2018 at 6:50 pm

            Obama did it too and nary a cry.

            Liar!

          • Macro 3.2.1.3.3
            19 June 2018 at 7:12 pm

            The trouble with your reasoning is that first it starts with the false premiss that these people entering the US from Mexico are doing something illegal. They are not. Seeking asylum is not an illegal activity.Trump has made it “illegal” contrary to the declaration of Human Rights and is blaming it on the Democrats. But in placing blame upon them he is telling lies.

            This is not true. There is no law that requires immigrant families to be separated. The decision to charge everyone crossing the border with illegal entry — and the decision to charge asylum seekers in criminal court rather than waiting to see if they qualify for asylum — are both decisions the Trump administration has made.

            https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/17443198/children-immigrant-families-separated-parents
            Whilst some unaccompanied teenagers were place in immigration detention whilst their cases were sorted out during the Obama administration there were no instances of young children being separated from their parents.

    • NZJester 3.3
      19 June 2018 at 11:18 am

      The extreme Right Wing media is already starting the narrative that the kids are “Crisis Actors” coached by people paid by the Democrats.
      The same exact words they have also used to try and discredit the survivors of school shootings pushing for tougher gun laws.
      Trump’s attorney general Jeff Sessions in his speech defending the policy of separating the children from their families used the very same bible verse that was popular among slave owners in the southern US States to support their right to own slaves.
      Meanwhile, Trump himself has apparently been breaking US law every day by ripping up memos, screwing them up and tossing them in the bin after he has finished reading them. A whole team of document specialists is now having to retrieve them from the bins and reconstruct them so that they can be preserved and archived as required by US law.

    • Tricledrown 3.4
      19 June 2018 at 11:24 am

      Trump continues to show the worst side of humanity.
      He and Session’s should be taken to the Hague for trial.
      This is the old dead cat tactic every time prosecutors get closer to bringing him and his cronies to trial for treason the more outrageous his distractions,!

  4. Puckish Rogue 4
    19 June 2018 at 8:59 am

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/359841/national-party-shock-at-government-scrapping-police-policies

    ‘The National Party has expressed shock after the government ditched two of its key police policies – and it is calling for them to be reinstated.

    The then National government last year announced an aim of attending 98 percent of burglaries in 48 hours. It also set a target of having 95 percent of the population living within 25 kilometres of an all-hours police station.’

    These seem to be the kind of policies that everyone would agree are good ideas and much needed so since Labours ditching them what are they replacing them with?

    • Sabine 4.1
      19 June 2018 at 9:40 am

      Having been witness to a few burglaries of the Dairy located next to me, that National Policy was nothing more then a policy.

      So yeah, its a nothing burger to can a policy that was not worth the toilet paper National wrote it on.

      Judith Collins probably wiped her backside with that policy to parfume it a bit. .

      National, cutting police numbers to bare bones in order to ‘achieve a surplus’.
      National, hard against crime in name only.
      National, its not crime if it helps me.

      • Puckish Rogue 4.1.1
        19 June 2018 at 9:45 am

        Are you feeling ok Sabine, your replies today seem a bit different than usual

        • Sabine 4.1.1.1
          19 June 2018 at 10:31 am

          Your concern is noted PR.

          and my comment regarding the Naitonal Party and Judith Collins is standard.

          National Party still full of useless fucks, and Judith Collins is still full of shit and unlikable and undetectable.

          I hope i have restored you faith in me.

          • Puckish Rogue 4.1.1.1.1
            19 June 2018 at 10:39 am

            Thats good to hear, we have different political beliefs but it doesn’t mean we can’t have concern for each other

            • Stuart Munro 4.1.1.1.1.1
              19 June 2018 at 1:58 pm

              Caring conservatism PR?

              Like the P tests that unhomed people and the health and safety bullshit used as a smokescreen for the culprits at Pike River.

              Take it somewhere else – the decks are awash with Gosman vomit already.

    • Adrian 4.2
      19 June 2018 at 10:36 am

      Obviously PR you are just another Auckland wanker.
      50 kms between 24 hour manned police staions FFS.
      Oh, I see thats only NORTH of the Bombay Hills.

    • Tricledrown 4.3
      19 June 2018 at 11:32 am

      PR your faux outrage with a gutted police force how were National ever going to meet that ridiculous target.
      Low taxes means cheap nasty govt services.
      But the uber wealthy like yourself can afford 24 hr private security on top of police priority.

      • Puckish Rogue 4.3.1
        19 June 2018 at 11:41 am

        “But the uber wealthy like yourself can afford 24 hr private security on top of police priority.”

        Not even close to being uber wealthy 🙂 (depending on your definition of course) unless in comparison to the entire world but if you do that then most of us would probably be considered the 1%

        • Tricledrown 4.3.1.1
          19 June 2018 at 11:57 am

          PR you fell into my trap of exposing your crap.
          You are for lower taxes then you provide security for your house self and family.
          Yet the coalition is putting more cops on the beat yet you complain about an unachievable goal which if it were to be achieved other areas of policing would suffer.
          This 98%within 48 hrs was a PR spin BS damage control for a party that pretends to be tough on crime.

          • Puckish Rogue 4.3.1.1.1
            19 June 2018 at 12:14 pm

            “PR you fell into my trap of exposing your crap.”

            – A trap so cunning only you can see it

            “You are for lower taxes then you provide security for your house self and family.”

            – Not sure what you mean, can you reword it please

            “Yet the coalition is putting more cops on the beat yet you complain about an unachievable goal which if it were to be achieved other areas of policing would suffer.”

            – I think more cops on the beat is a good as does Labour considering how many of the cops were budgeted under National but what “achievable goal” am I complaining about

            “This 98%within 48 hrs was a PR spin BS damage control for a party that pretends to be tough on crime.”

            – So why wouldn’t the COL carry through with it, its a vote and it’d shut National up pretty quickly

    • Gabby 4.4
      19 June 2018 at 1:57 pm

      How did they get on with achieving those goals puckers?

      • Puckish Rogue 4.4.1
        19 June 2018 at 2:02 pm

        Thats funny, whenever the impossibility of the COL managing to get anywhere close to planting a billion trees or building a 100 000 houses is mentioned I get told at least they tried

        So I guess at least National which is more than what the COL is doing

        However this is a chance for the COL to steal a march on National, take on the policies for themselves, implement them properly and then National will find it a lot harder to criticise

  5. james 5
    19 June 2018 at 9:48 am

    “”The new Government’s come in, and perhaps the expectations that we’ve given them are too high.”

    Yep – Labour made promises to their union backers – and now cannot follow thru – Instead they give Winny a billion dollars to holiday around the pacific.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/06/we-can-t-put-everything-alright-overnight-winston-peters-on-nurses-pay.html

    • Puckish Rogue 5.1
      19 June 2018 at 9:51 am

      “We’ve still got to keep a surplus for a rainy day down the stream, which is almost inevitable – especially if this Government goes on for two terms.”

      I don’t think he meant to put it quite that way or is he saying this government is going to make a major blunder?

      I wonder if Shane Jones personal slush fund could have been better utilised

      • tc 5.1.1
        19 June 2018 at 9:56 am

        You 2 created your own blog yet so you can chat amongst yourselves ?

      • alwyn 5.1.2
        19 June 2018 at 12:11 pm

        “I wonder if Shane Jones personal slush fund could have been better utilised”.
        Tell me you are kidding? You are far to smart to have to ask that question aren’t you?
        A better question would be
        “I wonder if Shane Jones personal slush fund could have been utilised in a worse manner”
        It actually is much harder to answer. You have to think quite hard before you can come up with enough ways to completely waste a billion dollars a year that are worse than Shane’s load of rubbish.

        • Puckish Rogue 5.1.2.1
          19 June 2018 at 12:17 pm

          Labour can only blame themselves for over promising when they knew they wouldn’t be able to deliver

          Mind you after 18 years of stable government it’ll be interesting to see how this all plays out

    • ianmac 5.2
      19 June 2018 at 9:54 am

      Oh dry up James. Worthless!

      • james 5.2.1
        19 June 2018 at 10:15 am

        Ahh – being rude to the poster – the last defence of someone who know that the comment is right and has nothing reasonable to answer with.

        You know Im right.

        • mac1 5.2.1.1
          19 June 2018 at 10:48 am

          James, in defence of my fellow ‘mac’.

          You wrote, “Yep – Labour made promises to their union backers – and now cannot follow thru – Instead they give Winny a billion dollars to holiday around the pacific.”

          Now let’s see how ‘worthless’ that is.

          Firstly, it’s a political statement and could be attacked as such. References to the deputy prime minister as “Winny” and secondly the slur that a billion dollars budgeted for Pacific (note spelling with capital) foreign aid is being used as “holiday money” by Winston Peters show that your statement which I have quoted is a very political and partisan one.

          Secondly, you said that Labour made promises to their union backers. What evidence have you to show that in the first place that actually happened (what promises, made when and to whom)? That is also a very political statement as it implies quid quo pro deals, and lack of governmental honesty and freedom of action.

          Thirdly, you link a budgeted item of expenditure in foreign aid to non-fulfilment of alleged promises to union backers, as if it were a either/or arrangement. Your purpose there was I believe to slur Labour and Winston Peters both, as well as the unions.

          ianmac says yours was a worthless statement. I would agree.

          Feeling hurt by being told to “dry up”? Not the worst injunction you could have received to stop inflicting such arrant nonsense upon the Standard’s readers.

          • james 5.2.1.1.1
            19 June 2018 at 11:01 am

            You show your bias with commenting on ” References to the deputy prime minister as “Winny”

            Yet fail to see you commenting on National members being called everything right up to “cunt” – see last nights post.

            • Sabine 5.2.1.1.1.1
              19 June 2018 at 12:56 pm

              i did not see that comment, but for once i agree with you.

              Cunts are beautiful warm things, nurturing, loving, welcoming (well most of the times). The National Party and its supporters are non of this.

            • mac1 5.2.1.1.1.2
              19 June 2018 at 2:40 pm

              You’re right. I didn’t comment. I failed to see it. Bad form.

              But, saying they do it too is not a secure argument.

              And accusing me of failure to do something, is also not an argument to counter my critique of your lack of argument.

              I also have a policy that I choose to respond to those I choose. I do not respond to everything or everyone with whom I disagree or agree. That way is futility.

              You’re lucky. 🙂

          • ianmac 5.2.1.1.2
            19 June 2018 at 5:07 pm

            Thanks Mc 1. James is really just playing silly beggars. I think that he only intent to draw as many responses as he can regardless of any fact or valid opinion. For me why bother to respond to him/her?

        • Stuart Munro 5.2.1.2
          19 June 2018 at 10:58 am

          You’re both right and wrong James – so far right Genghis Khan would be ashamed of you, and consistently in error about everything except barbecue.

        • Tricledrown 5.2.1.3
          19 June 2018 at 11:47 am

          James your right of right.
          Why don’t you set up your own right wing Web site.
          Instead of all the right wing cuckoos trying to take over this site with your stubborn unyielding Dogma!

    • The Chairman 5.3
      19 June 2018 at 12:40 pm

      DHBs says no more money would be put on the table for nurses.

      Peters points to the Government’s Budget Responsibility Rules.

      Interestingly, when it comes to the Budget Responsibility Rules and expenditure, Labour thought they had the balance about right.

      However, it looks as if members of the Public Services Association (PSA), Inland Revenue (IRD) and the Ministry of Business Innovation and Employment (Mbie) along with teachers and nurses disagree.

      It seems the realisation of Labour’s campaign rhetoric is starting to sink in.

      I don’t think people were expecting Labour to put everything right overnight, but clearly they were expecting more than what’s currently on offer. Thus, it’s going to be interesting to see how this all plays out.

      On a side note, National aren’t offering anything better, which will help Labour stand their ground as they know voters will have nowhere else to turn.

      • Grafton Gully 5.3.1
        19 June 2018 at 7:39 pm

        The problem is the nurses and doctors want to capture the health service for their own benefit and resent and oppose being managed. People argue they should be “paid what they are worth” without considering that the real skill lies in managing them. They are quite manipulative too, with their carefully cultivated image as selfless souls working long hours in a vocation to ease the suffering of the ill and disabled. It needs strong and pervasive management to cut through this cant and keep these pious do-gooders acting in the public interest. More powerful and well resourced management is what is required here !

      • Bewildered 5.3.2
        19 June 2018 at 9:50 pm

        As Cindy said nz just has to come round to her way of thinking or labour has failed and they will be a one term government Looking odds on bet this will be the case

  6. Sabine 6
    19 June 2018 at 10:34 am

    lol, our resident rightwingers really have an issue today with rudeness.

    OHMYGOSH, someone please pass the smelling salts for the dears. Someone must loosen their ties, lest they faint. Poor things.

    • james 6.1
      19 June 2018 at 11:03 am

      Sabine –

      Are you OK with women being called “chubby” or “trout”

      Or being called a “cock sucker” should someone disagree with you.

      Perhaps you dont like a minister – do you think its OK to call them a cunt?

      Perhaps you should have an issue with it as well.

      After all the behaviour you tolerate is the behaviour you endorse.

      • Bill 6.1.1
        19 June 2018 at 11:13 am

        “cock sucker” – an indication of some level of misogyny if uttered by a heterosexual male, or just another of those “go to” put downs that people just kinda thoughtlessly let trip off their tongue (eg – motherfucker etc)?

        “cunt” – hmm. Good cunt or bad cunt? Cunt of the desirable variety or something else entirely?

        Apparently all cultures use references to genitalia as put downs. Sometimes it gets a bit amusing/enlightening. So for example, the “go to” put down for a man in some African culture (I forget which one but it featured in some Stephen Fry programme about language) is to suggest that the man is hung like a donkey. 🙂

        • solkta 6.1.1.1
          19 June 2018 at 11:20 am

          I thought “cock sucker” was more a homophobic put down rather than a misogynistic one. I guess on some level it could be both, but it was certainly to imply that a man was gay when i used to use it in my homophobic youth.

      • Sabine 6.1.2
        19 June 2018 at 12:27 pm

        James, i have been quite open and honest about my feelings about the current lot of National Party members and their enablers.

        You can use what ever word for me or anyone else for that matter that you see befitting. I still think that ugly – the insides you know the soul heart and mind – fits Judith Collins, and vile – as in her every action and word – fits Paula Bennett.
        I stand by that.

        As for chubby – i fit that description. Even tho, when much younger i was called a board with warts :).
        A trout? cooked with lemon butter? blue – cooked in whitewine, or rather with almond butter? Ha, so hard to decide. But then I like meat :), and its not good friday. so what ever suits you.

        Cock sucker? I have sucked my fair share of cocks, and can’t really see the insult in it, i might add that the sucked cocks did not complain, so again, where is the insult?

        the thing is James, as a women of a certain age, a women who grew up poor, was assaulted at home by her stepfather, who lived as a transient teenager on the street as that was safer than living at home, i have been called my fair share of things in my life.
        Heck, one lady in NZ even commented how ‘lady like’ i looked when i wore a nice dress and heels to an official dinner.

        So no i don’t care. Judith Collins, Paula Bennett, Nick Smith, Simon Bridges, Bill English, John Key, Brownlee, and the other assorted clowns are vile and very very ugly, unlikable, and should be unelectable. And unless you can show me where one of these people have done something to better the life of someone else – they clearly don’t give a shit about this country other then it benefitting them – i might change my mind.

        I hope that clears it up for you dear.

        • Robert Guyton 6.1.2.1
          19 June 2018 at 1:14 pm

          Ouch! James: you’ve just been masticated (not a rude word, fyi).

        • Alan 6.1.2.2
          19 June 2018 at 1:16 pm

          They do give a shit about helping the country Sabine, just not in the way you think is best, hand up versus hand out etc.

          • solkta 6.1.2.2.1
            19 June 2018 at 1:17 pm

            Don’t you mean “push down”?

          • Sabine 6.1.2.2.2
            19 June 2018 at 1:24 pm

            please show one example of the National Party giving a ‘hand up’ to any person in NZ that is not called Bill English, Paula Bennet, Oravida Collins, Nick Smith, Brownlee, Amy Adams, John ‘State House’ Key and any other of the National Party buffoons.

            And no ‘zip it sweety’ ain’t gonna cut it.

            And while you are at it, could you explain to me why National never got rid of that ‘socialism on steroids’ called working for families?
            Is it because silly Farmer blokes with signs calling J. Adern a ‘pretty communist’ need it to feed their 8 children that they have despite obviously not making enough money to afford these 8 kids. Or is having children one can not afford only a crime against humanity when non white Farmer blokes and their wifes do eeet?

            • Robert Guyton 6.1.2.2.2.1
              19 June 2018 at 1:29 pm

              Alan, James! Challenging someone who has plainly stated they’re “fully out of snark” seems … foolhardy; are you both soft in the head?

          • John up North 6.1.2.2.3
            19 June 2018 at 3:18 pm

            Right Alan, this whole “hand up” thing should be pretty easy for you to explain and please include examples from the previous government where it was put into practice, funded properly, and has the ongoing funding/support for long term beneficial impact.

            Or was that a random RWKJ bs throw away line which, has no real substance or reasoning behind it.

        • james 6.1.2.3
          19 June 2018 at 3:44 pm

          Whilst you might be OK being called those names (and for whatever reason you are OK with it) – others might not be.

          There will be plenty of women out there who get very upset being called chubby, or blokes who dont like being called cock suckers.

          Cunt is not a nice name – you might be ok being called one – but others are not. Would you be happy with other people calling your family members that?

          Perhaps we can start using the term for Jacinda – after all if you are OK for it to be used about Key – why not allow people call Jacinda that if they so feel like it?

          • Drowsy M. Kram 6.1.2.3.1
            19 June 2018 at 4:21 pm

            In recent weeks your comments have contained more instances of these ‘offensive’ words than any other single poster.

            A prediction: James will continue to incorporate these words into his comments at every opportunity – he believes it’s a strong ‘argument’, and his ‘duty’ to criticise offensive words and comments on this site. I guess that will keep him busy, which seems important to him.

            https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-13-06-2018/#comment-1493271

            “James does that “thing” where he repeats words he claims to be offended by. It’s a method favoured by 8-year olds generally, those who get some sort of buzz from using “bad words” under the guise of someone else having said them.”

          • Sabine 6.1.2.3.2
            19 June 2018 at 4:42 pm

            again, i agree with you. We can call Jacinda or other women that, and i guess more then one National Party member, enabler and sponsor has called her that word the night National lost the Election.

            John Key however will never be a cunt, he will always just be a selfish hair pulling young girl tormenting limp prick.. I am all for equality of the sexes. There.

            Don’t go down that road, your false idea of a do good liberal with ‘political correctness’ is lost on me.

            I don’t care about your feefee’s no more then you care about feeling sleeping in cars and raising their children in vans. I don’t care about Paula Bennetts feelings, if she is sad being called a vile human being, she can try to be a better one. Same for Judith Collins, she could try justice for all instead of just for those that give her money. Mr. Bridges could try to get bridges build instead of squandering time and money of others. Nick Smith could just go and retire. Brownlee can also retire, and the National Party could just find a soul, a heart, some guts and maybe be electable without friends. Not holding my breath tho.

            But your whinging about how you hurt because the National Party is called on their bullshit, the national party member being called out for the callouls soulless ghouls they are? Nah, not buying it.

            Mind you could try harder. I am having fun here.

            But remember, there is not one word you can call me – a women, or a poor person, or a homeless person, or an abused person, that i have not heard, and that the National Party and its enablers and sponsors have not uttered themselves in order to score some cheap points with those that are suffering from white economic anxiety and who would like to go back to the 1850’s when people knew their place.

            • Robert Guyton 6.1.2.3.2.1
              19 June 2018 at 4:53 pm

              “John Key however will never be a cunt, he will always just be a selfish hair pulling young girl tormenting limp prick.. ”
              James ???: crikey!!

              • mac1 …
                19 June 2018 at 5:17 pm

                And the worst of all those epithets for Sir John Key is ‘hair-pulling’.

                Because it was a repeated, bullying, power-strutting action from a man to whom empathy and propriety are foreign concepts.

    • Sabine 7.1
      19 June 2018 at 12:49 pm

      i guess next will be people living near the cost and flood plains.

      I can see certain areas of akl become ‘uninsurable’ not because the people don’t want to pay for it, but essentially are priced out of it.

      • Pat 7.1.1
        19 June 2018 at 12:54 pm

        and as the pool decreases the less and less viable the model becomes.

        • sabine 7.1.1.1
          19 June 2018 at 1:06 pm

          yep.

          it’s gonna be fun when the multimillion hovels on the coast line of akl, wlgtn, etc etc will not be insurable.

          That’s when the gnashing the teeth and the pulling of the hair begins, and maybe some will even realise just how stupid they have been.

          i mean i spend that much money on couple of arborists to give my fruit trees a trim. But at least these trees bring forth kai, and much of it. Much better investment. House ….worth nothing, fruit trees? Priceless.

    • The Chairman 7.2
      19 June 2018 at 1:00 pm

      Imagine what that is going to do to rents let alone peoples ability to own a home.

      And add to that Wellington Regional Council has proposed a 6.7 per cent average rates increase across the region coupled with Wellington City Council’s 3.9 percent rates increase.

      People will be wanting and will require far larger pay increases now.

      • Sabine 7.2.1
        19 June 2018 at 1:10 pm

        i guess that the houses that become uninsurable due to flooding etc etc will become slums of last resort and the rich will still have enough money to buy what ever property there is to buy. As for rents going up, they don’t need a reason to increase rents. They can buy law raise rent every 6 month willy nilly.

        • The Chairman 7.2.1.1
          19 June 2018 at 1:19 pm

          Going off the rate of that increase, far more will find they can’t afford to insure their home. As many more will find they can’t afford to buy one due to the increasing related costs of owning one.

          And as landlord costs are continually increasing higher than the rate of inflation, it’s no wonder landlords are forced to increase rents.

          • sabine 7.2.1.1.1
            19 June 2018 at 1:20 pm

            yes, pity the poor landlord, who has to increase prices to continue making a profit on his houses that are owned by the bank.

            pity pity pity

            not.

            • The Chairman 7.2.1.1.1.1
              19 June 2018 at 1:46 pm

              Pity has nothing to do with it. Merely stating a fact. And the realisation of that.

              • Sabine …
                19 June 2018 at 1:58 pm

                the poor landlord can sell any and all houses other then the one he lives in and try work for a living.

                Problem solved.

                • Alan …
                  19 June 2018 at 2:36 pm

                  The landlord has probably already worked quite hard to get themselves into a situation to afford investment property – is that a crime to you Sabine?
                  Do you have a problem with people working hard, being smart and having a few assets to show for it?
                  Sounds like it

                  • solkta …
                    19 June 2018 at 2:41 pm

                    Most people buy an investment property by borrowing against the capital gains from their home. That’s not work. There are plenty of people working bloody hard who can’t even pay the rent. There is huge generation inequality here as older people who already own squeeze young people out of the market. Are you OK with people making money from OTHER peoples hard work?

                    • Alan …
                      19 June 2018 at 2:49 pm

                      Boo hoo, virtually everyone I know who has accumulated a bit of wealth has worked bloody hard and often taken business risks, take your concerns to councils and get more land freed up for development, that is where the problem lies.

                    • solkta …
                      19 June 2018 at 2:58 pm

                      So they worked hard, so fucking what. Lots of people work hard..

                  • Sabine …
                    19 June 2018 at 2:51 pm

                    Nope it is not Alan.

                    But, if the Landlord finds him overextended as due to rising cost he can not maintain his various mansions, then commercial interest would behoove it that he starts selling properties to better his income streem.

                    I think they call it “Free Market’ in National Party parlance.
                    Also, it helps to think first before buying properties in so called Million Dollar Suburbs if these are located in a flood plain, earth quake prone zone, or near a beach that might rise several meters of the next few decades.

                    Just because someone made an investment does not mean that person is entitled to income from it. If he/she is lucky the investment pays off, if not, Bugger.

                    repeat after me, Free Market. Free Market. Free Market. 🙂

              • Pat …
                19 June 2018 at 2:02 pm

                There are the immediate impacts on things such as rents and property values etc but my thoughts were more towards the systemic….the implications of a failed property insurance industry could potentially collapse the current economic paradigm…..some may welcome that, then again what fills the void may be worse.

                • Sabine …
                  19 June 2018 at 3:15 pm

                  I don’t think we have yet to play a requiem for the insurance company.

                  There are already a great number of people that don’t have insurance on their houses, their cars, or their persons, simply because they don’t have the money. They have enough to serve the mortgage and pay either electricity or food. Never mind the roof that needs fixing.

                  The ones that can offset Insurance costs as an expense against income – which it would be in the Rentiers scenario will load the cost over to the tenant. IF the tenant can’t afford it, that tenant will move, another one will move in, rinse repeat until the kingdom comes.

                  The houses that will be uninsurable, will become slums, slowly but surely. Still bringing income, but at literally no cost, and no government – regardless of their stripes and dots – will do anything as at that stage housing will have become so rare that any dog kennel will do.

                  The favelas of South Americas, or the slums of Asia, will come to NZ at some stage. And the likes of our current National Party enablers will have no issue with it, they will yell, Free Market provides, Free Market provides.

  8. Draco T Bastard 8
    19 June 2018 at 1:18 pm

    Bank of England is alarmed about the increase of personal debt

    But that’s a problem!

    We know high levels of private debt can cause financial crises. The Bank of England identified “the high level of UK household indebtedness” as one of the “most significant near-term domestic risks to financial stability”.

    Taylor and Schularick, who examined 14 advanced economies over 140 years, show that

    “the best pre-crisis indicator is a rapid build up of private debt.”

    And the former chairman of the UK’s Financial Services Authority, Adair Turner, has argued that:

    “The financial crisis of 2007/08 occurred because we failed to constrain the private financial system’s creation of private credit and money”.

    So, right now, one of the biggest risks to our economy is being used as the primary solution.

    This ‘hair of the dog’ strategy shows how unsound the foundations of our economy are. It exposes why the banking system doesn’t work for the people, and that the Bank of England’s monetary policy toolbox urgently needs updating.

    So, how is NZ’s private debt bubble going?

    • DB 8.1
      19 June 2018 at 1:44 pm

      70K in the hole on education. Wide skill set for a brave new world. Who’s hiring?

  9. Observer Tokoroa 9
    19 June 2018 at 3:44 pm

    What a relief !

    With Donald Trump cruelly separating babies from their mothers, as wealthy people do, our Trolls will be delighted and distracted.

    They will be petting and patting Donald all over his incredible body and purple heart. Melania will get roughed up of course. She is just a waste to be shat upon by the Evil trolls.

    Think of the rewards that Gosman and James will get ! Evil is so rewarding. As all trolls know.

  10. AsleepWhileWalking 10
    19 June 2018 at 4:17 pm

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/359959/inquiry-into-spying-claims-extended-to-all-govt-agencies

    Thompson & Clarke SSC investigation expands.

    Today, Mr Hughes announced that the inquiry would now cover all government agencies.

    He said he was concerned about what has surfaced in the inquiry to date and new information now available about other agencies.

    The fresh material came to light in official information requests to the Ministry of Primary Industries and the Security Intelligence Service

    • dukeofurl 10.1
      19 June 2018 at 4:47 pm

      Good ,another example of the rot that set in under national.

      I wonder if Slater or his mates involved as he was in the ‘security industry’ before blogging and would know of lot of the principals

  11. Eco Maori 11
    20 June 2018 at 7:00 am

    Good morning The AM Show how would trump like it if those Mokopunas were his own Mokopunas this action of taking mokos from there parents and lock them in cages creates a whole lot of trauma they will all resent USA its unhumane don’t blame the demarcats Don its the changes to your laws you made that have cause this what’s that the rest of the World has to live up to the standards you set but the USA can do what it wants.If your wrong just get over it and change your law/attitude.
    The changes made by Labour to the NZ House ownership laws is what a responsible government does you make plans for a law and when you see those changes need to be refine that’s the wise why to handle that situation not like national who would deny there was a problem and ram the law through parliament and hide the problems it creates.
    ECO MAORI Says yes to all the council having a fuel tax carbon tax you want to know why because national have denied human caused global warming for 9 years and this lack of leadership /blocking on climate change has left all the councils with a lot of catching up to mitigate climate change problems we face now. Yes I know its going to be hard on the common person but with some senseable thinking I’m sure we will survive the fuel taxs better that trying to survive a Papatuanukue with a extremely bad environment. Ka kite ano P.S the sandflys did not like my words over the last few days days they provided a swam of a escort on my way back to Auckland

  12. Eco Maori 12
    20 June 2018 at 7:22 am

    The AM Show ECO MAORI Says we need to integrate OUR elderly in our society may be some sort of employment with the main goal of getting the elderly out of their houses once and a while I Back Mark Sainsbury move to get people to know that our valuerable elderly are being taken advantage of Ka pai e hoa some people just can’t help themselves and just pray on the elderly wallets idiots
    Kai pai Paddy Grower the story on the government using the private investigation company to spy on innocent Kiwis Ka kite ano

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