Puddleglum on Christchurch

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1. Ad 1

   19 June 2014 at 1:35 pm

   What I would hope for is a massive and public distinction between the National-led recovery plans an an alternative.

   The alternative that would raise people’s imaginations would align local and central government plans together and seek to give effect strongly to the initial public consultation that Christchurch citizens went through. Bring back the democracy and civic engagement to the whole thing.

   There would be a great big poster war all over the city that illustrated what this new Christchurch was going to look like, where the ideas came from, and when they would be implemented.

   I believe there is a missing built vision between Labour’s “build 10,000 houses a year” promise and the original people-mandated plan of Christchurch . If it was illustrated and filled out, and built, I think people would see how their democratic voice actually makes stuff real. That would begin to overcome the cynicism and distrust so many voters have of politicians.

   And before I lapse into mario Cuomo’s “City on A Hill” speech, I think an aspiring vision that had sustained democratic mandate would show leadership to the whole of the south island. I would want Phil Twyford to work with Mayor Dalziell and make that a centrepiece of how Labour would roll out its housing policy: to transform not onoly the housing stock and home ownership, but to revive and transform whole neighbourhoods, cities even, in an endiring partnership between central and local government.

   “Tell him he’s dreamin.'” Well that’s what political inspiration should feel like.
2. hoom 2

   19 June 2014 at 3:10 pm

   No fast tracking of land or State help for people pushed out of their homes, but Lyttleton Port gets fast tracked ‘repairs’ that consist of a big expansion…
   http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11277449

   And by ‘fast’ they mean write a plan by 5 years after the first quake…
3. swordfish 3

   19 June 2014 at 4:14 pm

   The evidence on changing political sentiment in Christchurch over the last 12 months has been ambiguous, one might almost say contradictory.

   On the one hand, Labour did far better in last year’s Christchurch East By-Election than most people / commentators realise. The result suggested either a significant Nat-to-Lab swing or a significant mobilisation of former Labour voters who had stayed at home on Election Day 2011.

   I remember there was also some discussion early last year in the MSM and on social media about a poll breakdown (think it was a Herald-Digi from memory) that recorded a strong swing to the Left in Christchurch (albeit on a fairly small base of respondents).

   And, of course, the very pleasing Local Body Election results in the Garden City.

   But, on the other hand, the Fairax-Ipsos Polls have been suggesting for quite some time that Canterbury (admittedly, a larger geographical area than just Chch) remains Right-leaning on not only the party-vote question but even on the Mood for a Change of Government question. Impossible to know, though, precisely what proportion of the Canterbury sample were from Chch (roughly two-thirds, I’d estimate).

   And The Press carried out a party-support poll specifically in Christchurch around the middle of last year. Its results suggested that the Tories / the Right continued to lead the Left (they gave breakdowns by ward and, from memory, just one of the wards favoured the Left, with another relatively evenly split). And this poll was probably a little more robust than most poll figures on Chch given that (because centred entirely on Chch) it involved a much larger base of local respondents.

   So, I have mixed feelings about how well the Left will do there. I wonder if It’ll be a tale of two cities ? – the East of Chch swinging heavily to the Left, the West remaining clearly Right-leaning ? Albeit with the spectre of the non-voter always lurking in the background. (I can envisage the same old MSM ‘Labour is Dog Tucker’ headlines driving erstwhile Lefties to stay at home come September).
   • lprent 3.1

     19 June 2014 at 6:14 pm

     From what I know, as puddlegum points out, it really does feel like Christchurch is in a state of flux. There are hell of a lot of people who were mightily pissed off. But there has been a influx as the rebuild has finally started.
   • Puddleglum 3.2

     20 June 2014 at 1:12 pm

     Thanks swordfish. I think you’ve got really good insights into what polls do and do not say.

     I had meant to link to your blog and analysis of polls in my post but forgot – sorry!

     I noticed in the latest ipsos poll that, against the national trend, the ‘Canterbury’ vote for Labour went up by 3.5 points since the previous poll. Of course, National also went up by 8.3 points – another result that no doubt only makes sense once the increase in undecideds is taken into account. The ‘n’ for ‘decideds’ in Canterbury was 98 in the latest poll compared with 112, 122 and 115 in the previous three polls.

     Nationally, the ‘n’ for ‘decideds’ was 777 compared with 826, 845, 815 in the previous three polls.

     Yes, the ‘messages’ about the Christchurch electorate overall are mixed. The polls in particular are hard to interpret. I remember the Press poll you mention. At the time I remember spotting a problem with it but now can’t find mention of it online.
4. geoff 4

   19 June 2014 at 7:02 pm

   I hate to be pendantic but…

   it’s puddleglum not puddlegum.
   • lprent 4.1

     19 June 2014 at 8:20 pm

     Damn you are right. Corrected
     • Puddleglum 4.1.1

       20 June 2014 at 11:49 am

       Thanks 🙂

       But what’s in a name/pseudonym?
       • lprent 4.1.1.1

         20 June 2014 at 12:29 pm

         Quite a lot actually. It is a handle and a guide to the identity of the thoughts of the mind behind it. Confusion over who is speaking causes a whole lot of flamewars that I’d prefer to avoid.

         There are actually auto moderation rules in place on this site to enforce people using them correctly. For instance when I became aware that even I was calling Matthew Hooton as hooten, I put one in for that to correct everyones behaviour (including mine)
         • Puddleglum 4.1.1.1.1

           20 June 2014 at 1:17 pm

           Makes perfect sense.

           I’m a pedant by choice largely because every so often it actually matters – as you’ve pointed out.
5. Redzone 5

   19 June 2014 at 10:35 pm

   Nope , tides definitely out for national in chch and minister for destruction-Brownlie has been caught swimming with out his togs. Wagners skinny dipping too-spare the thought!

   People have had a guts full with the snail pace of the rebuild and the general disempowerment imposed by Cera and co. The callous handling of the School closures is the final straw. Pissed off is an understatement.

   Should be some solid swings left at the GE.

   Do the rest of nz still care and will it effect their voting behaviour to any degree ? I’d say probably not.
6. Brendon 6

   20 June 2014 at 4:50 am

   I hope to have an article published on interest.co.nz over the coming days that has as a major theme -the Christchurch housing market. Look out for it.
   • Poission 6.1

     20 June 2014 at 2:05 pm

     Its up.There is a good point in the wealth transfer from households to the profiteering sector .

     For Christchurch this translates to a $6,500 annual rental gain to the typical landlord and corresponding loss to the tenanted household. Median household incomes are only $65,000 to $70,000, so this is the equivalent of the tax rate going up 10 cents in the dollar, i.e. tax payments increasing from say 20% to 30% of household income. Future tax cuts will not be this big so for tenants housing reform is more important than tax cuts.

     http://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/70493/fridays-top-10-brendon-harr%C3%A9-national-vs-labour-housing-affordability-uk-councils-spy-
7. vto 7

   20 June 2014 at 9:09 am

   Puddleglum, I felt that the main reason National did better in 2011 was similar to the reason Bob Parker swung 180 degrees in the polls and got voted back in as mayor when he was on a hiding to nothing. That reason was incumbency and the desire for stability. People were in a state of complete and utter upheaval – there was the Feb quake, then the June quakes, then the December quake. The city was rocking during that entire year – every day, every day, shakes and quakes.

   People were not interested in the risk around bringing in a new mayor and nor were they interested in bringing in a new government. Amidst all of the instability, trauma, stress and daily earthquakes the people just wanted stability and consistency.

   Whoever was in government at the time would have got voted back in Chch, no matter Labour or National.

   I skimmed pretty quickly through your post (long version) but didn’t see any reference to this phenomenon. I can’t provide any evidence other than what I saw in people in our communities with my own eyes and what they were going through and what they wanted during that time.
   • Puddleglum 7.1

     20 June 2014 at 11:53 am

     Hi vto,

     Yes, the ‘stability’ factor could well have been important. The chances are that different reasons had different degrees of effect for different groups of people in different parts of the city (that’s a lot of ‘different’ in one sentence, sorry).

     I think I came close to mentioning your point about “the risk around brining in a new mayor [in 2011, a new government]” with the thought that changing horses wouldn’t have made any difference to most people’s experience given how much it was dominated by ‘recovery’. You’re right that disasters bring out the conservative (with a small ‘c’) in us all.

     Thanks for taking a look at the post.
8. vto 8

   20 June 2014 at 9:13 am

   This time around it will be a different story. The people have been left to deal with their situation with little assistance. They are completely and utterly fed up with EQC and insurers, red zoning problems, the list goes on and on. This time I think they will fight back hard.

   Of course out west where there was little damage they have good roads, ridiculous house prices and functioning infrastructure. They will stay blue.
9. Brendon Harre 9

   20 June 2014 at 5:59 pm

   vto -As a Cantabrian I agree with you regarding the incumbent gaining an earthquake boost in 2011 and this will not happening in 2014.

   Poisson -thanks for finding my article.

   Ad -if we could Labour discussing that sort of positive thing rather than scandals then maybe the election could be won….

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