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mickysavage - Date published:
9:37 am, November 6th, 2019 - 31 comments
Categories: conservative party, making shit up, Media, national, Propaganda, same old national, spin, uk politics, you couldn't make this shit up -
Tags: topham guerin
Looks like a pattern is emerging.
Here is a tweet from the UK conservative party complete with naff music soundtrack.
As has been noted by various commentators the film has been heavily edited and spliced unfairly and the last part, where the Labour Spokesperson appears to be floundering, was film taken totally out of context.
And there are recent reports that Topham Guerin is going to play a leading role in the Conservative campaign in the UK.
And here is a recent tweet from the National Party:
Where have I seen this before? Naff music followed by dubious not to mention inaccurate claims. Crap social media designed to be shared.
But so far it may not be working.
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They go to the same schools as children, they go to the same prep schools , they same colleges, the same universities, they hire themselves and you wonder why the say the same shit?
Cause they are tories, or aristocracy, or landed gentry, no matter what you are calling them, they have the same ideas and the same wants. Namely to preserve what they have, and turn us back into indebtured servants or 'leibeigene' or slaves.
Can we really stop saying 'OH look they do the same shit' Oh look don't they know better, Oh look they so incompetent.
they are not, they are co-ordinating and they are working globally. Good grief, is that so hard to understand?
It's not hard to understand, unless maybe you've had 35 years of it being beaten out of your head that society is composed of competing economic interests – and being told instead that it's all just one big happy win-win meritocracy? Oh, and go the All Blacks!
The AB's sum up the National party.
Keep doing the same thing as it's worked before/elsewhere, don't have a plan B and assume that sheer awesomness, intensity and brand will see you through.
Reality is an incovenience, PR spin and BS is the new reality.
Maybe they should get a ceremonial dance like the AB's have also hoping it strikes fear into opposition hearts.
They did have Cossacks dancing once to help them. I wonder if Russian interference…… 😉
https://nzhistory.govt.nz/media/video/dancing-cossacks
I may joke but this whole falsifying social media is abhorrent. Lies, damned lies, lies knowingly told, lies told even when discovered.
Lies- the antithesis to truth, to what is good, anti-social and evil.
I'm sorry but where is this falsifying on social media?
Why, have they all been 404'd?
Try here. https://www.facebook.com/NZNATS/
Wow! Right leaning individuals in similar countries may in fact share ideas. What ever next? Perhaps left leaning ones might do the same. Wait a minute. They DO do that.
And… Gosman misses the point completely yet again.
Right leaning individuals in several countries use the same tactic, lying, frequently and in unison.
Why am I not surprised?
Lying in your opinion. There is no evidence that I can see in the links provided there are any lies. Regardless you think right wing parties generally lie so why would they need to collude to do this?
Of course they don't need to collude. Lying is their natural state.
If they told the truth, no one but a few wealthy speculators and other parasites, would vote for them.
Their current media activity is designed to calibrate for next year. How we respond to it now shows them which angles to go with. Big money.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Ardern’s politics of kindness versus dumb, angry, relentless negativity. Early signs are it’s not going to work. The mood of the country seems to have shifted to actually caring about people and the environment as opposed to bludgeoning people while they’re already down. Of course there will always be a market for this kind of thing but it’s only shoring up an existing base for the Nats and it’s hard to see this style of politics gaining that extra few percent necessary to form government. It probably works better in countries with FPP as specific electorates can be targeted as seen in Queensland.
It has been proven in the past that the reason a lot of these right-wing parties in a few different countries are sounding all very similar, is because they are all getting money, information, and talking points from a small number of right-wing
brainwashing centersthink tanks. Thesebrainwashing centersthink tanks are funded to spread the ideology of their doners to as many right-wing leaning parties around the globe as they can.And so what? Does the left not have something similar?
The curiosity is just how ineffective it is. Oddly enough, the pressing issues of each country are not the same, and painting over the concerns of local people with spin from another culture is no guarantor of success.
If it is so ineffectual why does anybody care if they do it?
There are two reasons – firstly, those of us on the Left are inevitably concerned with any erosion or dilution of the people's franchise, which an externally conceived campaign must be – doesn't mater if it's UK, US, China or Russia – it's nothing we want.
And the general public, if alerted to the foreign and thus unrepresentative origin of such material, are more likely to scorn the wretched parties so undemocratic as to resort to it. Hence the Right retail stories about secret UN conspiracies, and the Left reference the many plagiarisms from Trump & Boris.
Ummm… you are mistaking actual interference (e.g. by creating fake social media profile pushing key themes) to ideas and concepts that originate from other countries. One is dodgy the other is sensible politics.
is sensible politics
It's anti-democratic politics is what it is. Policies should be drawn from the concerns of a constituency, not laid over the top of them by third rate wannabe demagogues.
Eh???
You are seriously overegging this. The ideas being used here are not demagoguery. It is merely standard attack politics.
Business as usual for the wolf isn't much fun for the sheep.
I want a society with more democracy, not less.
As a Righty you naturally want as little democracy as possible – hence your presence here, poisoning the wells.
He's also trying to pull the "everyone does it" line. Moral vacuums don't grok human decency.
Gosman; the appallingly low level of social intelligence or empathy, and absurd literalism in your comments is possibly beyond redemption–but have you considered a tall tumbler of room temperature tap water and a good old game of scrabble as an alternative to always being the one to deposit a floater in the pool?
Where have I been absurdly literal?
Back some years ago, John Key said New Zealand was "on the cusp of something special"
About six years later British PM David Cameron said almost exactly the same thing.
The New Zealand, Australia and Britain conservative parties all share the same PR people.
Unlike the left, the conservative parties are in a coalition.
The Left used to have a international coalition of workers organisations many years ago that loosely came under the umbrella of the "labour" movement.
That barely survives now as an international entity with none of the three labour political parties in these countries having as their foundation the labour movement (although they have a relationship with them.
In the United States it was the Democrats under Clinton that wiped out the power of the union movement.
Back some years ago, John Key said New Zealand was "on the cusp of something special"
About six years later British PM David Cameron said almost exactly the same thing.
Jam tomorrow, though properly made in some foreign country.
That is the nature of politics and politicians. Barrack Obama made simial claims with his cry of "Yes we can!"
Gosman, can you check your spelling, please. What you have written is basically obnoxious. I'm sure you didn't mean what you have inadvertently written.
Gosman, and I'm not referring to your misspelling of Barack Obama. Check what 'simial' means!
The uk public are suffering from brexit virus? And confusion from social media would be the last straw as they try to find an acceptable position that also reassures them on the value of the change post-brexit.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/05/brexit-election-british-politics