Tilting at windmills

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1. Chooky 1

   21 May 2014 at 8:35 am

   Obviously John Key and NACT are VERY worried about this issue!…..( No New Zealander is going to believe that Labour and previous governments have done this!)

   So Labour and the Left must hit the public with John Key and Nationals’ Robber legacy at every possible opportunity….that and Oravida…and detail John Key and NACTs corrupt/bankrupt policies ( nonpolicies) on this issue and reasons for that……

   This is a grassroots issue that every New Zealander can relate to …sale/ usurption of their birthright Housing stocks( built up by generations of socialist minded compassionate New Zealanders)!

   ….. and Land( taonga of the tangata whenua)

   ….farmland ( built up by generations of New Zealand farmers ),

   ….. dairying assets ( value added companies) , vineyard land , horticulture land

   ….. and indigenous assets (eg. taonga swamp kauri used by Maori artists …..deliberately acquired, usurped and stockpiled by Oravida…$50 million worth to be taken out of the country or released to the highest bidder for profit)

   John Key and Nact have launched a robbers attack on New Zealand society and all New Zealanders!
2. Mr Oh Well 2

   21 May 2014 at 9:25 am

   Chooky, nice points.

   Your right.

   Key just shows he is protectionist, persevering the status quo. No innovation here folks, just impotence, hes is just using voters to flog off NZ.

   We have resources to build houses (i.e. the labour, land, materials) there is no excuse:

   Simple case in point Flat-Pack IKEA House: Built & Shipped for Under $100,000
   http://dornob.com/flat-pack-ikea-house-built-shipped-for-under-100000/#axzz32I7PdX7o

   Also check this out:

   Read more: Affordable Housing in America Finally Catches up with Europe | Inhabitat – Sustainable Design Innovation, Eco Architecture, Green Building
   http://inhabitat.com/affordable-housing-in-america-finally-catches-up-with-europe/

   There was a great interview on radio nz with someone pushing for prefab housing. The numbers are starting to stack up, however, someone from a building materials supply company said it was not economically feasible (didnt make his report public though). That people were to blame because the wanted essentially Mc Mansions (he failed to mention the dirth of DIY programs on TV, that effectively brain wash people into thinking they need most of this crap). Also he s

   National is keeping the top 10% of NZ happy: Who are they
   Building Material Suppliers
   Building Companies (owners not workers)
   RealEsate Agents
   Middle/Uppper Class who own investment properties

   These guys are in a double bind… i.e. they probably think Key sucks but for some reason think they are going to miss out if they dont vote for him. That is the trick. John is to the National Party, what Roger Douglas was to the Labour party (but a million times worse)

   So how can Labour/Greens use good planning, the latest innovations etc to win votes without putting off the top 10%… bloody tricking, but I feel doable.

   Victor Libow (economist) summarized all the BS up in 1955 (note the last sentence of the last paragraph):

   Our enormously productive economy demands that we make consumption our way of life, that we convert the buying and use of goods into rituals, that we seek our spiritual satisfactions, our ego satisfactions, in consumption. The measure of social status, of social acceptance, of prestige, is now to be found in our consumptive patterns. The very meaning and significance of our lives today expressed in consumptive terms. The greater the pressures upon the individual to conform to safe and accepted social standards, the more does he tend to express his aspirations and his individuality in terms of what he wears, drives, eats- his home, his car, his pattern of food serving, his hobbies.

   These commodities and services must be offered to the consumer with a special urgency. We require not only “forced draft” consumption, but “expensive” consumption as well. We need things consumed, burned up, worn out, replaced, and discarded at an ever increasing pace. We need to have people eat, drink, dress, ride, live, with ever more complicated and, therefore, constantly more expensive consumption. The home power tools and the whole “do-it-yourself” movement are excellent examples of “expensive” consumption.
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Lebow

   I am soooo boored with Nuuuuuu Zulllandddd

   Whats happened to the can do kiwi spirit……innovation.

   Oh, I know, National will pretend to do this, just like they are with ECE and free Dr Health Care (they have taken it away, then given less back…. with a public that has a memory of goldfish, what wonderful ploy)
   • SpaceMonkey 2.1

     21 May 2014 at 9:19 pm

     “National is keeping the top 10% of NZ happy: Who are they?”

     I recently had a good conversation with a CEO in the building industry and we got talking about the high cost of building homes and possible reasons for it. They responded with a single word: Fletchers. They dominate all aspects of the NZ building industry.
     • geoff 2.1.1

       21 May 2014 at 10:06 pm

       Yes I agree. Some investigative journalism into how Fletchers has operated over the decades would be great.
       Everything I have heard anecdotally about Fletchers paints the picture of a system that has been designed for shareholders to act as ticket clippers on nearly every house built in the country.
3. Philj 3

   21 May 2014 at 9:47 am

   xox
   Does the flood of recent migrants realise the country is being sold off in various ways?
4. infused 4

   21 May 2014 at 9:55 am

   I see phil’s writing style is rubbing off on a few people.
5. Mr Oh Well 5

   21 May 2014 at 9:56 am

   Chooky, nice points.

   Your right.

   Key just shows he is protectionist, keeping the status quo. No innovation here folks, he is using voters to flog off NZ.

   We have resources to build houses (i.e. the labour, land, materials) there is no excuse:

   Simple case in point Flat-Pack IKEA House: Built & Shipped for Under $100,000
   http://dornob.com/flat-pack-ikea-house-built-shipped-for-under-100000/#axzz32I7PdX7o
   or if you like flats:

   The BoKlok concept
   BoKlok is a groundbreaking housing concept, developed by IKEA and Skanska. Together we build blocks of flats and terraced houses for people who want to live in a home of their own, but still have money left at the end of the month.
   http://www.boklok.com/about-the-BoKlok-concept/#_81300

   Also check this out:
   Read more: Affordable Housing in America Finally Catches up with Europe | Inhabitat – Sustainable Design Innovation, Eco Architecture, Green Building
   http://inhabitat.com/affordable-housing-in-america-finally-catches-up-with-europe/

   There was a great interview on radio nz with someone pushing for prefab housing. The numbers are starting to stack up, however, someone from a building materials supply company said it was not economically feasible (didnt make his report public though). That people were to blame because the wanted essentially Mc Mansions (he failed to mention the abundance of DIY programs on TV, that effectively brain wash people into thinking they need most of this crap).

   National is keeping the top 10% of NZ happy: Who are they
   Building Material Suppliers
   Building Companies (owners not workers)
   RealEsate Agents
   Middle/Upper Class who own investment properties

   These guys are in a double bind… i.e. they probably think Key sucks but for some reason think they are going to miss out if they don’t vote for him. That is the trick. John is to the National Party, what Roger Douglas was to the Labour party (but a million times worse)

   So how can Labour/Greens use good planning, the latest innovations etc to win votes without putting off the top 10%… bloody tricky, but I feel doable. How could you get low cost loans + cheap housing + not reduce the price of existing housing stock????

   Victor Libow (economist) summarized all the BS up in 1955 (note the last sentence of the last paragraph):

   Our enormously productive economy demands that we make consumption our way of life, that we convert the buying and use of goods into rituals, that we seek our spiritual satisfactions, our ego satisfactions, in consumption. The measure of social status, of social acceptance, of prestige, is now to be found in our consumptive patterns. The very meaning and significance of our lives today expressed in consumptive terms. The greater the pressures upon the individual to conform to safe and accepted social standards, the more does he tend to express his aspirations and his individuality in terms of what he wears, drives, eats- his home, his car, his pattern of food serving, his hobbies.

   These commodities and services must be offered to the consumer with a special urgency. We require not only “forced draft” consumption, but “expensive” consumption as well. We need things consumed, burned up, worn out, replaced, and discarded at an ever increasing pace. We need to have people eat, drink, dress, ride, live, with ever more complicated and, therefore, constantly more expensive consumption. The home power tools and the whole “do-it-yourself” movement are excellent examples of “expensive” consumption.
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Lebow

   I am soooo boored with Nuuuuuu Zulllandddd

   What’s happened to the can do kiwi spirit…… died under Businey Goverment (TM)

   Remember this, with the money to make a 500million dollar stadium you could build at $350k each circa 1,429 houses
6. captain hook 6

   21 May 2014 at 10:15 am

   key is a twerp.
   he wears his underpants too tight and this cuts off the flow of blood to head.
   what he thinks is inspiration is…well you know!
   if he didnt have hooton reading the books he wouldnt know anything anyway.
   oh and fink sillivun cackling in the background is muzak to his ears.
7. adam 7

   21 May 2014 at 5:18 pm

   What do Sid Holland and John Key have in common? The country feels safer when they are out of it…
8. georgecom 8

   21 May 2014 at 8:59 pm

   mention a few small insignificant policies, blame the previous government, mention a few small insignificant policies, blame the previous government, mention a few small insignificant policies, blame the previous government… etc etc

   a government berefit of any new ideas, muddle along as best they can do.
9. Mr Oh Well 9

   22 May 2014 at 12:02 am

   Hey Space Monkey, love the name.

   Funny, I heard how a certain company got key contracts in CHCH.

   Also how leaky home owners and builders seem to be beaten up by certain other building supply companies from overseas with endless lawyer budgets

   These guys wouldn’t be doing the same sort of thing in the affordable housing space now would they?

   Hummm Oligarchy ….

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