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Big Brother bringing in National’s cash?

Written By: - Date published: 3:24 pm, December 6th, 2007 - 71 comments
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John Hales, the secretive Australian world leader of the Exclusive Brethren (known as the Elect Vessel), met the elect faithful in Christchurch yesterday. According to a former member of the church quoted in the article, his main purpose would be raising cash.

But just prior to the recent Australian election, the Australian Labor Party reported the Brethren to the Police and the Australian Electoral Commission under Australia’s Anti-Money Laundering Act, alleging that $120,000 in cash had been deposited into an account used to pay for advertisements for the re-election of John Howard. The Australian Federal Police are investigating the allegations.

The Brethren have themselves acknowledged on their website that they transfer cash around the world, “to do the work of the Lord.” They say that none of this money is used for political donations. To which one can only answer – yeah right!

However it also raises another interesting possibility. The Electoral Finance Bill will severely resrict anonymous donations from January 1 next year – perhaps Hales is getting in ahead of the new law, just like Key has tried to do with National’s abortive $200,000 video.

71 comments on “Big Brother bringing in National’s cash?”

  1. rjs131 1

    For a blog that is produced supposedly by the labour movement, why are there so many posts about the exclusive brethren compared to defending workers such as erin leigh.

    Arent you a little obssesed. Why is it great for labour to spend taxpayers money getting elected, yet they cant spend their own money as they please. Arent you being a little discriminatory against the bretren. I am sure if national supporters posted as many posts about says gays that you posting hysterically against that.

    And when are going to post and condemn taito philip field, since you are so concerend about the rights of the underprivilged.

  2. SweeetD 2

    rjs131

    Haven’t you worked it out yet. This blog only exists to cast doubt, scorn and bile on all that threaten labour. It is just a labour party mouth piece, think of it as a written version helen clark and trevor mallard.

    They seem very keen on pointing out this splinter in their oppositions eye, but can’t see the huge piece of 2 by 4 in their own.

    Oh, and did I miss the news that the John Key ‘Cold Play’ DVD had now costed $200K? Care to point to a link for this?

  3. James Kearney 3

    There’s a link in the text you illiterate fucking moron.

  4. SweeetD 4

    Time for you temper medicine James, better ask Trevor where he keeps them.

  5. insider 5

    But Tane assured us the DVD cost 50k…

    Once again the Standard invests a number with a completely new meaning unsupported by any facts to suit its agenda

  6. the sprout 6

    the fundifascists really don’t like having their money scrutinised do they? no wonder National is so very upset.

  7. rjs131 7

    the fundifascists really don’t like having their money scrutinised do they? no wonder National is so very upset.”

    Sprout, are you able to advise us on how much taxpayer money labour spent getting elected in 2005. Or much it has cost to investigate taito philip field.

    Or maybe how much mallard has cost the taxpayer with his latest erin leigh outburtst?

  8. Tane 8

    I do worry if this is the best you guys can do.

    Insider, the post you’re referring to cited $50,000 as the minimum cost to produce that DVD from what we knew about the staffing levels, equipment, production values etc. It was not a maximum, but a minimum. It also explicitly did not include the costs of the tour, scripting, the MediaOne advertising campaign or any potential royalties owing to Coldplay.

    rjs, we’re a bunch of different people with a range of interests. John A has quite a bit of knowledge about the brethren and is happy to share it. You’re welcome not to read if it’s not your cup of tea.

    We’ve done around 20 posts in our short time on the topic of workers’ rights. That’s more than you’ll probably find in any other blog in the country. I’d like to do more but my time is limited. As we get more posts up and running we’ll definitely focus more in that direction. As for Erin Leigh, that doesn’t really interest me, but I’ve said elsewhere that Mallard’s a prat and Labour’s better off without him.

  9. Matthew Pilott 9

    Insider, it was an estimate on the production of a 12 minute or whatever DVD. A conservative estimate makes sense, as an estimate can’t take into account bad taste, or wasting money and getting little or no value. How on earth they managed to pay $200,000 for it only God knows, if it didn’t put Him to sleep before he could find out.

    SweetD, James had a point, if somewhat belligerently stated. It was in the Dom Post, and several posts here, the Herald had $130k, and National won’t say. Don’t blame ’em.

    rjs131 I understand the Exclusive Brethren has a fairly anti-worker point of view (among other things). Perhaps you might wish to investigate that before complaining to The Standard. Going after a group that promotes that will do much more than blogging about an individual case, wouldn’t you agree?

    And as always…..you could write your own blog, any and every day of the week! Ain’t that wonderful news – go get ’em!

  10. Sam Dixon 10

    Estimates of the cost of the National DVd rose as more information became available. The Standard had an estimate within a day based on IrishBill talking to some people in the industry and making educated guesses – Tracy Watkins has inside information.

    What is interesting is that the industry people’s estimate was so much lower – I wonder if National got ripped off? Lucky the Execlusive Brethern is here, no doubt bringing huge wads of cash across the border http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/brethren-in-alps-firing-line/2007/11/22/1195321951585.html to cover it.

  11. Sam Dixon 11

    rjs131- the standard writes on workers’ rights all the time, check the catagory. Of course, its the end of the year, industrial disputes usually trails off. Most wage talks happen in the middle of the year.

  12. Matthew Pilott 12

    Tane – are you Matthew Pilott?

  13. Dean 13

    John A said: “The Brethren have themselves acknowledged on their website that they transfer cash around the world, “to do the work of the Lord.” They say that none of this money is used for political donations. To which one can only answer – yeah right!”

    Are you suggesting that religions shouldn’t spend their own money for political purposes? A simple yes or no answer will be fine.

    Tane: “…but I’ve said elsewhere that Mallard’s a prat and Labour’s better off without him.”

    Agreed, and I don’t think anyone who’s trying to remain in any way rational could disagree with this.

    I know it’s off topic, but why do you think he’s so well protected within the Labour party?

  14. The Double Standard 14

    “the fundifascists really don’t like having their money scrutinised do they?”

    So, where did Labour’s $800,000 theft payback come from then? How about disclosing this eh you dick. Couldn’t be partly funded by an overseas donation eh?

    And, why not go for zero anon donations eh? What is Labour trying to hide – remember its them that has the power here.

    More of what we have come to expect from the stupid – lies and innuendo from the party that is lettings it envy of “rich pricks” show, finally.

  15. Historian 15

    It’s Bruce Hales (John was his father).

    If you subscribe to traditional conservative values, like being tough on crime, pro-family, pro-freedom, then you should probably learn a bit more about Mr Hales before defending him against those nasty lefties:

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/brethren-bid-to-hide-sex-assaults/2006/12/29/1166895479254.html

  16. The Double Standard 16

    Sam – I’m surprised that you haven’t been updating wikipedia to reflect your version of the truth.

    Here’s the link if you are having trouble finding it

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_Brethren

    BTW have you guys noticed the shit that the British Labour party is in over dodgy funding?

  17. Tane 17

    What I find funny is how the righties were initially shitting all over the idea that Key’s abortive DVD could have cost anywhere near $50,000.

    Now it’s been revealed to have cost four times that amount they’re trying to score points by claiming our deliberately conservative estimate was, um, far too conservative.

    Oh well, nothing wrong with taking a bob each way eh guys?

  18. The Double Standard 18

    “What I find funny is how the righties were initially shitting all over the idea that Key’s abortive DVD could have cost anywhere near $50,000.”

    What I find funny is the Teh Party though it was completely justified on rorting $800,000 dollars from the taxpayer, and when finally facing up to its responsibility to repay it, won’t disclose where the money came from.

    Oh well, nothing wrong with being hypocrites eh guys?

  19. Sam Dixon 19

    Matthew Pilott said:
    Tane – are you Matthew Pilott?

    No Tane is r0b, r0b is mardypants, mardypants is Wat Tyler, Wat Tyler is Whaleoil, Whaleoil is Sam Dixon, Sam Dixon is Robinsod, Robinsod is DPF, DPF is Matthew Pilott.

    but, shush, insider doesn’t know

  20. Robinsod 20

    Tane – it’s called flip-flopping and I hear there is an underground training camp for that and other tory “tactics” some where in the Urewera’s. No hold on it’s in *Remuera*.

  21. insider 21

    Matthew/Sam/Tane

    The point is one of your fellow bloggers has conflated a cost for a whole tour and turned it into the cost of “a video”. GIven that you guys have been trawling over this in such detail, you’d have to assume quoting that figure was deliberate dishonesty. Odd given the speed you show pointing the finger at DPF or anyone else around figures you have suspicions over.

  22. the sprout 22

    nothing new about the right being inumerate. i mean, they “forgot” they has to pay gst on their last election spend, take the highest quotes available for any tender, and look what they do to economies and surpluses.
    so wonder they so desperately need so much secret money.

  23. The Double Standard 23

    “hey “forgot” they has to pay gst on their last election spend”

    Oh, and Teh Party “forgot” that the Auditor General was going to take a close look at election spending in 2005?

    Makes you wonder why they need to keep so much of our taxes, and spend 10’s of millions in “information” campaigns in election years.

  24. Pascal's bookie 24

    Speaking of the royal tour, I saw a phot of His Lordship leaning on his transport, a shiny National branded ute. Man of the land that he is. I figure he doesn’t really need the ute now that he doesn’t have to cart all those DVD’s around with him.

  25. Robinsod 25

    Hey DS – what’s the score? You say here public spending on advertising is electioneering but over at Kb you deny it?

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/12/relative_spends.html#comment-378671

  26. The Double Standard 26

    Robbo – I don’t see anything that I wrote at that link. Please try to keep your wank-fantasies in check in public dude.

  27. Dean 27

    Matthew said: “rjs131 I understand the Exclusive Brethren has a fairly anti-worker point of view (among other things). Perhaps you might wish to investigate that before complaining to The Standard. Going after a group that promotes that will do much more than blogging about an individual case, wouldn’t you agree?”

    I’ve worked for a couple of businesses owned and run by members of the Exclusive Brethren in my time (and before you start the witchhunt, I am an atheist and have never been a member or a believer in their faith, much less any religious organization ot church), and I would strongly disagree that they were “anti-worker” at all. They were fair, and payed very well – 40% above union award rates at the time, with the same or better conditions. I was even getting 4 weeks paid annual leave years before it was law. Therefore, I would suggest that tarring them all with the same brush just makes you look.. well.. stupid.

    I find it decidedly interesting that memebers of the self professed “left” are so worked up about the Brethren on the strength of Hagar’s book, when he was widely decried and condemned by the same people in his work “Seeds of distrust”. Fairweather friends, all of you, with no other conviction that labour good, national bad.

  28. the sprout 28

    deano, the difference is Seeds of Distrust was based on bad science, zero unstanding of stats, and helped along by John Campbell’s friendships with both Hager and Craig Potton.

    Hollow Men, is largely written by the National Party. the meat of the story is all those emails written by National and it’s backers.

    another great Hager read is Secrets and Lies, all about Brian Nicolle and Shandwick’s experiments with creating astroturf organisations. bit like the anti-EFBers really.

  29. burt 29

    TDS

    You hit the nail on the head when you asked why the EFB didn’t specify zero anon donations. The EB should just look after their own businesses. Take what is on offer from the govt de jour and get on with living their lives. They are supposed to be an apolitical group after all.

    However if I’d been denigrated from such a high level as they have then I’d probably be putting out a “when they came for the trade unionists I did not try and stop them…” type pamphlet.

    However it would seem if they want to displace Labour then they should openly campaign supporting them.

    I wonder what their game plan will be. I’m predicting that it will be done within the law, just like in 2005, it would be nice if a few other big spenders joined them in that position this time.

  30. Tane 30

    But burt, the EFB EB did come for the trade unionists. Workers in Brethren-owned workplaces are denied basic union rights under the Employment Relations Act. Dean seems to have got by okay, but I tell you I’ve heard some horror stories.

  31. Santi 31

    Sam Dixon, I heard you are a nutter but your latest circular posting takes the cake.

    Maybe a case of too much idle time under the sun in Hawkes Bay.

  32. burt 32

    Tane

    Thanks for clarifying that the EFB didn’t come from the trade unionists. Perhaps I should be a little clearer.

    The EB have been denigrated by the govt of the day in ways which disenfranchise them from society. Now as a group that voluntarily disenfranchises it from society to some degree some people may say “so what”. Which is what you appear to be doing by taking the piss about trade unionists and the EFB.

    However the “so what” is a social conditioning response. You know deep down that singling out groups for preferential or discriminatory treatment is wrong. It seems you are comfortable when it’s not a group you identify with – where are your principals?

    [Tane: Burt, clearly it was a typo. But misread it if you will…]

  33. Dean 33

    Tane said: “Dean seems to have got by okay, but I tell you I’ve heard some horror stories.”

    I can tell you I’ve heard some horror stories too, even from people working in the same companies as I did.

    I’ll leave you to draw your own conclusions there as to why, but suffice to say, not everything is as black and white as the villifcation of the Brethren would have you believe. I’m not saying they’re perfect human beings, but they are in my experience and the experience of several other people who have worked for them excellent, understanding employers who will go above and beyond the call of duty for committed, focused employees.

  34. Dean 34

    Sprout said: “deano, the difference is Seeds of Distrust was based on bad science, zero unstanding of stats, and helped along by John Campbell’s friendships with both Hager and Craig Potton.”

    Uh.. LOL.

    The difference is that that book disagreed with your politics, and Hollow Men agreed with it.

    The guy is a nutbar, albeit one who knows what to publish selectively in order to sell a book.

    If you want to rationalise it any other way then you’re just fooling yourself. Perhaps he ought to be included in the “Haters and wreckers” group as defined by Helen Clarke.

  35. who is Helen Clarke?

    last time I heard Helen Clark was the leader of our current government. dipshit.

  36. and actually, sprout is right.

    most scientists canned the scientific rational that was used in seeds of distrust. i for one think that we missed the biggest opportunity to create a real difference for our country and be completely g.e free, so me disliking hager’s scientific prowess has nothing to do with my politics. i especially loved the simplistic and inane commentary the issue was given by our media.

  37. Dean 37

    the bean said: “last time I heard Helen Clark was the leader of our current government. dipshit.”

    Im terribly sorry, I made a mistake. I am not too big a man to admit it. Your milage may vary.

    Do please forgive me, the bean. I wouldn’t want to be called a dipshit again. And please don’t address the point, and especially don’t think about Helen Clark calling people “haters and wreckers”. I fear for your sanity if you did, such is your vehemence for even a typo.

  38. Dean 38

    “i especially loved the simplistic and inane commentary the issue was given by our media.”

    So with all this against Hagar’s credibility, you’re still willing to support him as long as it’s against the national party, becayse that’s politics, not science.

    labour good! national bad!

  39. dean i ain’t a man so dunno if i am a big enough man to admit if i ever made a typo or not. i am guessing that would mean I am not.

    “i especially loved the simplistic and inane commentary the issue was given by our media.”

    So with all this against Hagar’s credibility, you’re still willing to support him as long as it’s against the national party, becayse that’s politics, not science.

    labour good! national bad!”

    This comment does not even make sense. a man uncovering a “conspiracy” that is based on science he doesn’t understand seems quite different from a man receiving emails that demonstrate clear lies and deception.

    the emails kinda speak for themselves as do, actually, the video with key meeting the brethren, the orewa speech, brash et al’s lies about not meeting the brethren, brash and his “family values”.
    these things have nothing to do with my perception of hager.

    however that is great to see you believe labour to be good and national to be bad. here was me thinking you were a total tosspot.

  40. “The Double Standard
    Dec 6th, 2007 at 5:30 pm
    Robbo – I don’t see anything that I wrote at that link. Please try to keep your wank-fantasies in check in public dude.”

    wank-fantasies…plural?

    do tell

  41. Dean 41

    “This comment does not even make sense. a man uncovering a “conspiracy” that is based on science he doesn’t understand seems quite different from a man receiving emails that demonstrate clear lies and deception.”

    So you’re ok with someone talking about something and giving them the benefit of the doubt as long as it’s not based on faulty science, because he obviously has no other agenda, previous faulty assertions notwithstanding. Because you just happen to agree with him.

    Well done, you.

    Perhaps you might like to explain why “Haters and wreckers” is also completely acceptable from the Prime Minister. I’m sure your response will be equally illuminating.

    You really ought to get a sense of perspective. Sure, rain down on the Nats – they bloody well deserve all the derision they can get – but agreeing the Hagar when it suits you based on a set of suitable principles while denying the same benefit to your preferred party is just more nonsense.

  42. the sprout 42

    it’s ok beany, Deano comes from the School For Kids Who Don’t Read Good. be kind to him, he’s still learning with the big words and obviously he gets lost on the longer sentences or he’d try a more cogent line of argument, or at least one that hasn’t already been exhaustively refuted upthread and elsewhere. i think his still is kind of cute, all sort of grumpy and frothy, like a toddler when it’s time for nigh nighs.

  43. the sprout 43

    “explain why “Haters and wreckers” is also completely acceptable”

    umm Deano, i think that has something to do with accuracy. when a person says something that is supported by empirical observation, it’s said to be “acceptable”. otherwise you’re doing real good.

  44. Dean 44

    So, “haters and wreckers” was supported by empirical observation and accuracy? Or are you talking about Hagar’s book again? You’ll have to excuse me for being a thicko, I’m just trying to make sure I have your opinion straight. If i’ve misinterpreted it, feel free to correct me.

  45. “So you’re ok with someone talking about something and giving them the benefit of the doubt as long as it’s not based on faulty science, because he obviously has no other agenda, previous faulty assertions notwithstanding. Because you just happen to agree with him.”

    who is giving him the benefit of the doubt? seemed to be no doubt to me. brash lied, brash engineered his agenda to manipulate public opinion, which was all quite clear without any help from hager.

    haters and wreckers sounds pretty up wiv the homies to me- shout out to ya’ll. i quite like my perspective, the view is great from down here

  46. burt 46

    the sprout

    What about “chinless scarf wearers” and a “weird and dangerous sect”. Acceptable from the PM toward a law abiding tax paying non violent religious group?

  47. Dean 47

    “haters and wreckers sounds pretty up wiv the homies to me- shout out to ya’ll. i quite like my perspective, the view is great from down here”

    Well, at least you’re prepared to admit you’re one sided and not open to rational debate about something utterly stupid the Prime Minister has said. And for all her excellent political abilities, as well as economic and social reforms which were all to my mind a great idea, she’s said some really stupid things.

    And more power to you for it. Unfortunately for you, real life is a little more complex than that and things are never black and white. Have fun believing it does, while it lasts at any rate.

  48. ahaha cheers dean, you seem like you have a lot to teach us all. i am so enlightened now, for the better

  49. Dean 49

    Keep playing the man rather than the ball if you like. It seems to work for you.

  50. ahhhh sport analogies, how fitting

  51. the sprout 51

    show me balls Deano, and i’ll play them.

  52. Billy 52

    “it’s ok beany, Deano comes from the School For Kids Who Don’t Read Good. be kind to him, he’s…”

    At what school, Sprout, were you taught that it is quite acceptable for a sentence not to start with a capital letter?

    If, as it seems you must, you are going to hold yourself out as being smarter than everyone else, a basic grasp of the use of the English language will go some way to stop you looking like a total tosser. But only some way.

    By the way “real good”, should be “really good”. It’s an adverb thing.

  53. oh billy, how we missed your dulcet tones. tell us again about how hot you are and how much you and robinsod are a match made in heaven

  54. Tane 54

    Dean, I think the sprout and the bean are taking the piss. They’re very good at it and I find them funny.

    For what it’s worth I didn’t agree with Clark’s ‘haters and wreckers’ comment, and it was the same deal for many others on the left. What that has to do with the topic at hand I’m not sure. Do you want me to go through everything John Key’s ever said and ask you if you agree with it?

  55. burt 55

    Tane

    I think you are on track for going over John Key’s every deed and asking us for our opinion. I reckon given how little time he’s been in politics, at the rate you are going, you should be all done in about two months. Who’s next…

  56. Billy 56

    “Do you want me to go through everything John Key’s ever said and ask you if you agree with it?”

    Classic. That’s what this blog is all about, surely.

  57. Dean 57

    Tane said:

    “Dean, I think the sprout and the bean are taking the piss. They’re very good at it and I find them funny.

    For what it’s worth I didn’t agree with Clark’s ‘haters and wreckers’ comment, and it was the same deal for many others on the left. What that has to do with the topic at hand I’m not sure. Do you want me to go through everything John Key’s ever said and ask you if you agree with it?”

    Shit no. Noone can defend that guy. He’s got certain good qualities about him but ultimately he’s a screw up of epic proportions.

    I just get tired of some people asserting that Key is all bad and no good. You’re smart enough to know it isn’t the case, as with Labour and Helen Clark, and you’re prepared to talk about it rationally.

    It’s just very amusing to bring up a few of her statements to rabid supporters of the current Labour administration and then sit back and see the reactions.

    You end up with 2 groups – people like yourself, and people like sprout and bean, who like to think they’re winding up, but not really contributing towards any kind of intelligent debate.

    That being said, apart from the obvious replies on both sides of the political spectrum, I’ve found this site to be far more rational that Kiwiblog or it’s compatriots. I hope you keep up the good work.

  58. Dean 58

    Billy said:
    “At what school, Sprout, were you taught that it is quite acceptable for a sentence not to start with a capital letter?”

    Don’t be an ass, Billy.

  59. well deano, i have never asserted key is all bad
    http://thesproutandthebean.wordpress.com/2007/11/06/broken-english/
    in fact here is a direct quote where i am almost nice about him…but in context not quite
    “well having had the joy of meeting the man on several occasions i will clearly state for the record he is personable”

    nor actually have i ever asserted i voted labour- i think you might see me say i disagreed with the g.e stance. i appreciate your informed assumptions though.

    and cheers for the comments, your intellect is obviously so far above mine i cannot engage with it

  60. Matthew Pilott 60

    Dean, I missed all this last night, but my point wasn’t whether the EB were good employers. Anathoth and Naylor Love or whatever are all good organisations, I can only assume.

    My point was that thier ideals are anti union – nothing to do with their practices but their ideals – look at what they advocate!

    So please think about what you write, before you post something like “Therefore, I would suggest that tarring them all with the same brush just makes you look.. well.. stupid

    Just because they follow the rules doesn’t mean they like them; the individual employers might play ball but their masters would have it otherwise.

    Burt, for once you’re on the money!

    How good does it feel!?!

    Y’see, you’re probably right about getting through all JK has said in a couple of months – JK will be goneburger soon enough, judging by National’s predisposition to dump its leaders. Funny you mention this when Dean is talking about ‘fairweather friends’ – I can see where he gets that notion from!

  61. PhilBest 61

    Tane, read THIS

    http://www.theexclusivebrethren.com/documents/Brethren Life.pdf

    Quote: (Page 7, under “poverty relief and welfare support”)

    “Poverty is rare but all people in needy circumstances have ready access to detailed assistance and care within the brethren community. One of our priority objectives is to provide every member of the Church with the opportunity to be equal with other members. We do not want class distinctions to cause dysfunction, friction, or division between any members of our community”.

    (Further,under “Our role in the community”:)

    “…most are paid wages above the national average for the relevant work classification. Any shortfall in wages or underpayment that comes to our notice is treated seiously and is recompensed based on an independent assessment of the EMPLOYEE’S situation” (my emphasis).

    And (page 6, under “housing”)

    “Brethren adopt an objective of equality as a key principle governing housing selection to prevent status differentiation and to provide a social environment where all brethren families can entertain each other at home without discrimination or unnecessary distinction……”

    And lots more like it. Read it all.

    Tane, these sound like people inimical to everything you stand for, eh? People hand in glove with the “business roundtable” and the super wealthy plot to screw the proletariat, eh?

    Or are you gonna stick to your line, “yeah right”, anything the EB’s say must be lies, because they’re forever tarnished by the mental associations you have formed about them, guided by those paragons of honesty, the MSM journalists and of course Our Dear Leader and her crew.

    The comments made by Dean at 5.44 yesterday seem to me to lend the ring of truth to the EB information.

  62. Tane 62

    Phil, I didn’t come down in the last shower. You don’t judge groups by what they say about themselves, you judge them by their actions. The Brethren’s political activities have been secretive, dishonest and tilted towards the far-right of politics. Don’t expect me to think they’re all joy and happiness just because they say so.

  63. PhilBest 63

    Oooooooooh, nasty. You can’t let any possibilty into your broad, capacious mind, that the EB’s may be the ones who are being told untruths about?

    Come on, I can see even from reading Hager’s book and from the media reporting, that these guys have been unfairly labelled. What they say about themselves rings true. The media have done a big shock, horror, beat up of some proprieters of some very small businesses. One guy “lives in a sprawling villa in Mount Eden”. Yawn. You guys working up a plot of “the super rich”, including these guys, has me wetting myself with mirth. If only it wasn’t so damn ugly, and demeaning, and vicious, where these people are concerned.

    Moving envelopes of cash around. Foooooooooooo. How much cash can you get in an envelope? When has Customs arrested any of these guys for having over the legal limit of cash on them?

    In spite of the media’s massive efforts, including, I hear suggested now, massive payments and financial inducements to former members of the church in return for information/appearances, we have yet to see any tax havens, transfers of millions, or private yachts.

    Come ON. This is a very nasty, propagandised, beat-up of a group who represent not “super wealth”, but thrift, hard work, enterprise, and personal responsibility. Not that you might not still hate them all the same for that, but part of the great plot against the proletariat the EB’s AIN’T.

  64. PhilBest 64

    And my point about the Hollow Men book, is that Hager had all those e-mails, and he seems to have known who Don Brash was meeting every minute of every day. But he had NO e-mails FROM Brash to the EB’s, and NO details of any meeting other than one where some alleged EB bumped into Brash in a shopping mall or something.

    If there was one thing the book utterly FAILED to prove, it was any “link” between Brash and the EB’s. Nothing but Hager’s conjecture. And to my mind, it proved the opposite – because if there HAD been any evidence, Hager would have had it, such was the thoroughness of the political hit on Brash’s privacy.

  65. Draco TB 65

    PhillBest said:
    “Moving envelopes of cash around. Foooooooooooo. How much cash can you get in an envelope?”

    I think it’s about 10k per envelope and carrying up to 40 envelopes.
    http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2007/20071015_brethren/interviews.htm

    “And my point about the Hollow Men book, is that Hager had all those e-mails, and he seems to have known who Don Brash was meeting every minute of every day. But he had NO e-mails FROM Brash to the EB’s, and NO details of any meeting other than one where some alleged EB bumped into Brash in a shopping mall or something.”

    I suspect Hager was limited to information that his informants were limited to. This being the case I would suspect that he wouldn’t have had enough to establish a clear link but there was certainly enough to raise some serious questions.

  66. PhilBest 66

    I anticipate the arrests of some EB’s next time they try the spiriting-illegal-amounts-of-cash-through-customs rark. This week, perhaps? Or don’t the Customs people read newspapers or watch TV?

    Hey, we’re getting much more decency into this debate here. Draco TB: so now its just “enough to raise some serious questions”? Hey, I thought EVERYONE KNEW that the EB and Don Brash were in cahoots to “steal the election”. I thought people like Tim Pankhurst, Chris Trotter, John Campbell, et al, had ESTABLISHED ALL THAT BEYOND A DOUBT in the minds of the public?

    Now, doesn’t all this start to look just a bit like the sort of shameful bully politics that have deeply stained the heritages of some of our fellow modern enlightened civilisations? Hasn’t this sort of stuff been the small beginnings of what developed into ghastly crimes against humanity?

    We have a choice, here, guys – the truth, or the advancement of YOUR political cause by whatever it takes. And you, and Our dear Leader’s regime, and their media lackeys, are NOT looking good. Some of the media lackeys are waking up, the arseholes – they helped us into this mess. But it appears that of the regular bloggers on the Left, very few are decent, “moderate” leftists.

  67. Matthew Pilott 67

    PB for all your bluster about the EB you clearly know very little or you wouldn’t be talking about the EB as ‘very small businesses’. Unless you’re comparing them to GM or IBM, or perhaps Peru…

  68. PhilBest 68

    Matthew Pilott, if you think the EB businesses that the media have done a beat-up of are NOT just “small” businesses, but VERY small businesses, YOU are the EPITOME of the small-mindedness that is ruining this country. That lawnmower and chainsaw shop musta had AT LEAST HALF A DOZEN STAFF, FOOOOOOO, EH, OOOOOOH, the ENVY, BLOW YA PUNY SOCIALIST MIIIIIIIIIIND.

  69. the sprout 69

    have a drink phil

  70. PhilBest 70

    Actually after some of my visits to the Standard I want to immerse myself in a vat of alcohol.

  71. the sprout 71

    that would be good too, but don’t have any candles too close by

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    2 days ago
  • Essential workers leave scheme established
    Essential workers who take leave from work to comply with public health guidance are being supported with a leave scheme to ensure they will continue to receive income, say the Minister of Workplace Relations and Safety Iain Lees-Galloway and Minister for Social Development, Carmel Sepuloni. A number of essential businesses ...
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    3 days ago
  • Govt WhatsApp helps share COVID-19 information
    A Government WhatsApp channel has been launched to help make information more easily accessible and shareable in the fight against COVID-19. Govt.NZ, which is free to use on any mobile device, will carry information and news for the public, businesses, healthcare providers, not for profits and local government. It can ...
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    3 days ago
  • Managed departure plan for stranded foreign nationals enables safe, orderly exit
    The Government has announced a plan to enable the safe, orderly exit of tens of thousands of stranded foreign nationals from New Zealand during the current COVID-19 Alert Level 4 restrictions, Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Winston Peters has said. “When we moved into lockdown a week ago, the ...
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    3 days ago
  • Government delivers COVID-19 support to GPs and Pharmacies
    Health Minister Dr David Clark says the Government is delivering on its commitment to support general practice doctors and nurses, and pharmacies on the front-line of our fight against COVID-19. "For us to overcome COVID-19, we need community health services such as general practice and community pharmacy to step up ...
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    3 days ago
  • Susan Thomas the new Chief High Court Judge
    Justice Susan Thomas has been appointed Chief High Court Judge, Attorney-General David Parker announced today.  She replaces Justice Geoffrey Venning who has resigned from the position.   David Parker paid tribute to Justice Venning, who he said had stewarded the High Court very capably over the last five years.   “On behalf ...
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    3 days ago
  • Business Finance Guarantee – applications open
    Businesses can start applying to their banks for loans under the Business Finance Guarantee Scheme set up to support the New Zealand economy during the COVID-19 pandemic. “We’re moving quickly to protect New Zealand businesses, jobs and the economy during this unprecedented global economic shock,” Finance Minister Grant Robertson said. ...
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    3 days ago
  • Work starts on ways to fast-track consents to boost recovery from Covid-19 downturn
    Work is underway looking at measures to speed up consents for development and infrastructure projects during the recovery from COVID 19, to provide jobs and stimulate our economy.  Environment Minister David Parker said the COVID-19 pandemic is a serious global crisis that will have a wide ranging and lasting impact ...
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    4 days ago
  • Advance payments to support contractors
    Advance payments will be made to transport construction industry contractors to retain the workforce and ensure it is ready to quickly gear up to build projects which will be vital to New Zealand’s COVID-19 economic recovery, Transport Minister Phil Twyford announced today. He said keeping the workforce required to build ...
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    4 days ago
  • Government seeks infrastructure projects
    The Government has tasked a group of industry leaders to seek out infrastructure projects that are ready to start as soon as the construction industry returns to normal to reduce the economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, Economic Development Minister Phil Twyford and Infrastructure Minister Shane Jones say. The Infrastructure ...
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    4 days ago
  • Health system scaled up to prepare for COVID-19
    Work to scale up the health system in preparation for COVID-19 was today outlined by Health Minister David Clark, as he reported back to the new Epidemic Response Committee. “We are well placed to contain the spread of COVID-19. We have taken early and decisive action at our borders, and ...
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    4 days ago
  • Essential media COVID-19 guidelines refined
    The Government is refining its COVID-19 essential business guidance to include the distribution of news publications for communities which are hard to reach. The Minister of Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media, Kris Faafoi, said the move was in recognition of the importance for New Zealanders who might be harder to ...
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    4 days ago
  • Supermarkets able to open on Easter Sunday
    The Government is ensuring supermarkets can open on Easter Sunday so we can buy groceries, but stay closed on Good Friday allowing workers to take a break. This provides a balanced approach and ensures we avoid large queues that two days closure may cause. “Supermarkets will be able to open ...
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    5 days ago
  • New Zealand defence personnel conclude mission at Taji
    Following the successful conclusion of the Building Partner Capacity (BPC) mission at Taji, New Zealand defence personnel are returning to New Zealand from Iraq, in accordance with the Cabinet decision made in June 2019, Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters and Defence Minister Ron Mark announced today. “New Zealand is very ...
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    5 days ago
  • State of National Emergency extended
    The State of National Emergency to help stop the spread of COVID-19 has been extended for a further seven days, Minister of Civil Defence Peeni Henare said. The initial declaration on March 25 lasted seven days and can be extended as many times as necessary. “Since we went into isolation ...
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    5 days ago
  • Strong Govt books support ‘go hard, go early’ response
    New Zealand’s ability to go hard and go early in the fight against COVID-19 has been underpinned by strong Government finances and the growing economy heading into this global pandemic, Finance Minister Grant Robertson says. The Treasury today released the Crown financial statements for the eight months to the end ...
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    5 days ago
  • Christchurch Hospital Hagley ICU to open to support COVID-19 response
    Health Minister Dr David Clark says 36 new intensive care beds at Christchurch Hospital’s new Hagley building are being fast tracked so they are available for treatment of COVID-19 patients.   The Ministry of Health is working with contractor CPB and Canterbury DHB to enable access to the hospital’s ICU, ...
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    5 days ago
  • Government supports Air NZ freight flights
    The Government has fast-tracked up to $1 million to help Air New Zealand move urgent freight to and from New Zealand, with the first flight to Shanghai leaving tonight, Transport Minister Phil Twyford announced today. Phil Twyford says it’s crucial that trade in vital goods such as medical supplies and ...
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    6 days ago
  • Tariff concessions on COVID-19 related products
    New Zealand will temporarily remove tariffs on all medical and hygiene imports needed for the COVID-19 response. Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker and Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Kris Faafoi said today that the New Zealand Customs Service will apply tariff concessions to all diagnostic reagents and testing ...
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    1 week ago
  • Clarification of modification to wage subsidy scheme
    Minister of Finance Grant Robertson has clarified that the changes to the wage subsidy scheme announced yesterday mean that employers should be passing on the full subsidy to workers, except in the case where the person’s normal income is less than the level of the subsidy. “We still want employers ...
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    1 week ago
  • Face masks flowing to DHBs
    Medical face masks from the national reserve supply are now being distributed to District Health Boards, while at the same time local production is being ramped up. Yesterday more than 640,000 masks were sent to DHBS – that is an immediate two week supply, with more to follow in coming ...
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    1 week ago
  • COVID-19: Further steps to protect New Zealanders’ jobs
    The Government has made modifications to the wage subsidy scheme to ensure people don’t lose their jobs during the national lockdown. These changes will soften the impact of COVID-19 on workers, families and businesses, and position them to exit the lockdown and look to recovery, Finance Minister Grant Robertson says. ...
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    1 week ago
  • Tax relief for Mycoplasma Bovis farmers
    Farmers whose herds were culled in response to the outbreak of Mycoplasma bovis will be able to minimise the tax treatment of their income in some circumstances. Revenue Minister Stuart Nash says Cabinet has agreed to change the law. It means farmers may be eligible to spread their income over ...
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    1 week ago
  • $27 million for NGOs and community groups to continue providing essential services
    A $27 million dollar package, effective immediately, is being provided to social sector services and community groups to ensure they can continue to provide essential support to communities as we stay at home as a nation to stop the spread of COVID-19, Minister for Social Development Carmel Sepuloni announced. “At ...
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    1 week ago
  • Statement on guilty plea of March 15 terrorist
    “The guilty plea today will provide some relief to the many people whose lives were shattered by what happened on March 15,” Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said. “These guilty pleas and conviction bring accountability for what happened and also save the families who lost loved ones, those who were injured, ...
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    1 week ago
  • COVID-19 updates
    The Prime Minister is holding daily press conferences to update New Zealanders on the Government's response to COVID-19. Links to videos and transcripts of these updates below. These transcripts also include All of Government press conferences led by Director Ministry of Health's Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield. 25 March: Live update from the Prime ...
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    1 week ago
  • Police numbers break through 10,000 mark
    Frontline Police numbers have broken through the 10,000 mark for the first time in history as officers step forward to keep the community safe during the COVID19 lockdown. “Two Police graduations in Auckland and Wellington in the past week have been conducted in unprecedented circumstances,” Police Minister Stuart Nash said. ...
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    1 week ago
  • Urgent tax measures for economic recovery
    Urgent legislation has been passed to support the package of economic and social measures needed to recover from the impact of the coronavirus outbreak. “The COVID-19 Response (Taxation and Social Assistance Urgent Measures) Bill will cushion New Zealanders from the worst economic impacts of the COVID-19 outbreak,” said Revenue Minister ...
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    1 week ago
  • Further support for farmers and growers as drought persists
    From tomorrow, Government support for farmers and growers affected by drought will be expanded and extended across the country, with access to Rural Assistance Payments (RAPS) available throughout the North Island, parts of the South Island and the Chatham Islands, Social Development Minister Carmel Sepuloni announced. “These challenging conditions have ...
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    1 week ago
  • COVID-19: Temporary changes to Education Act
    Parliament has passed amendments to legislation that give the Secretary of Education stronger powers to act in the fight to limit the spread of COVID-19, Education Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “They are part of a suite of changes passed under the COVID-19 Response (Urgent Management Measures) Legislation Bill,” Chris ...
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    1 week ago
  • Canada, Australia, Chile, Brunei and Myanmar join NZ and Singapore in committing to keeping supply a...
    Canada, Australia, Chile, Brunei and Myanmar have joined forces with New Zealand and Singapore by committing to keep supply chains open and remove any existing trade restrictive measures on essential goods, especially medical supplies, in the face of the Covid-19 crisis.  Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker today welcomed ...
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    1 week ago
  • COVID-19: Rent increase freeze and more protection for tenants
    Immediate freeze on rent increases Tenancies will not be terminated during the lock-down period, unless the parties agree, or in limited circumstances Tenants who had previously given notice can stay in their if they need to stay in the tenancy during the lock-down period Tenants will still be able to ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Working together to protect businesses and workers
    As New Zealand unites to lock-down in the fight against COVID-19, the Finance Minister is urging all businesses and workers to stay connected over the next four weeks. “We understand the extreme pressure many businesses are under right now. I know most business owners think of their workers as family ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • State of National Emergency declared to fight COVID-19
    A State of National Emergency has been declared across the country as the Government pulls out all the stops to curtail the spread of COVID-19. “Today we put in place our country’s second ever State of National Emergency as we fight a global pandemic, save New Zealanders’ lives and prevent ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Prime Minister’s statement on State of National Emergency and Epidemic Notice
    Mr Speaker I wish to make a Ministerial Statement under Standing Order 347 in relation to the recent declaration of a State of National Emergency. Having considered the advice of the Director Civil Defence Emergency Management, the Minister of Civil Defence declared a State of National Emergency for the whole of ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Deadline for domestic travel extended
    People needing to travel on domestic flights, trains and Cook Strait ferries to get home before the country moves into level 4 lock-down tomorrow night will be able to continue using the passenger services until midnight on Friday, Transport Minister Phil Twyford said today. Domestic passenger services, particularly ferries, have ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Mortgage holiday and business finance support schemes to cushion COVID impacts
    The Government, retail banks and the Reserve Bank are today announcing a major financial support package for home owners and businesses affected by the economic impacts of COVID-19. The package will include a six month principal and interest payment holiday for mortgage holders and SME customers whose incomes have been ...
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    2 weeks ago