Bill English doesn’t get it – literally doesn’t get it – how messed up the “Brighter Future” is

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1. Kevin 1

   4 May 2017 at 11:45 am

   Job advertised in Hawkes Bay at a national franchise store:
   Must be available for 91 hours a week, 10-20 hours guaranteed work.
   • Psycho Milt 1.1

     4 May 2017 at 12:20 pm

     Yeah, it’s not simply “puzzling” but astonishing that many people wouldn’t queue up to volunteer for that. If you’re Bill English, maybe.
     • Draco T Bastard 1.1.1

       4 May 2017 at 1:47 pm

       He wouldn’t queue for that either.
     • mosa 1.1.2

       4 May 2017 at 6:13 pm

       He does not have to , he is well looked after by the taxpayer.
   • UncookedSelachimorpha 1.2

     4 May 2017 at 3:19 pm

     Disgraceful.

     Minimum wage too no doubt – a mere $4.45 / hour below what you actually need to live.
2. The decrypter 2

   4 May 2017 at 11:57 am

   English “would get it” if his polling indicated that of the 92000 plus, those eligible may actually vote this election. I get it.
3. BM 3

   4 May 2017 at 12:06 pm

   Just talking to a sparky a few days ago, his apprentice called it quits because he’d prefer the weed and chilling out with his mate’s lifestyle.

   This kid was aged 19 and about nine months into his apprenticeship and threw it all away, fucking idiot.

   Drugs do seem to be a big part of the problem.

   Having said that when I was his age I was always blazed, the big difference was that

   1)We weren’t drug tested what you did outside of work hours was irrelevant, as long as you did your job no one cared.

   2) Contracts your boss entered into didn’t state that the contract will be terminated if any of his/her staff fail a drug test

   3) There was no super strict H&S regime that employers had to abide by.
   • tc 3.1

     4 May 2017 at 12:10 pm

     Yes dear
     • Siobhan 3.1.1

       4 May 2017 at 4:11 pm

       actually, that’s a fair comment from BM.
       Back in the 80s all the boot boys in AK could just walk onto a demolition/building site and be guaranteed work, no one cared what they’d been up to the night before, and they earned more money in the hand than my 19 year old boy gets for a weeks work nowadays.
       Not to mention all the casual work that, unlike now, was cash, which actually meant you could survive even if it meant baked beans and a cheap cruddy flat with no front door.

       If you ask me (adjusts woolen hat, reading spectacles and slurps another cup of cocoa), we’ve created a World that makes life far too small and mean and hopeless for young people who aren’t fully signed up ‘young achievers’.
       • WILD KATIPO 3.1.1.1

         4 May 2017 at 7:31 pm

         Hear hear , Siobhan !!!
       • KJT 3.1.1.2

         5 May 2017 at 8:56 pm

         We just had one rule when I was an apprentice. Turn up fit for work in the morning.

         If they had drug testing back then, all of us would have failed the alcohol test.

         A fair few would have failed a dope test.
   • Psycho Milt 3.2

     4 May 2017 at 12:17 pm

     …when I was his age I was always blazed, the big difference was that…

     …people back then didn’t accept the kind of bullshit that they’re being subjected to now. Maybe you’d have ditched an apprenticeship if there’d been the moronic drug-testing regime we have now. In which case, direct your ire at the government, not munter who quits his apprenticeship.
     • BM 3.2.1

       4 May 2017 at 12:19 pm

       So what’s the answer? I can’t see H and S changing anytime soon?

       Might just have to accept there’s going to be a fuck load of youth who would rather turn down a job then go drug-free.

       Hopefully later on priorities change and it’s not such an issue, 25 seems to be a bit of a golden number.
       • Psycho Milt 3.2.1.1

         4 May 2017 at 12:24 pm

         1. Statutory requirement that drug testing must measure actual impairment or not be carried out. If there’s no test for current impairment by a particular drug, no testing for it is permitted.

         2. Come up with a health and safety regime that isn’t both a knee-jerk reaction to Pike River and an attempt to avoid directly inconveniencing National’s constituency.

         Don’t think any party’s currently proposing those things, but we’re all free to lobby them.
         • BM 3.2.1.1.1

           4 May 2017 at 12:29 pm

           I agree, how could you even consider legalising weed when you have such a draconian health and Safety policy in place.

           Thinking about it could you actually discriminate against some who was indulging in what is a legal activity?
           • Draco T Bastard 3.2.1.1.1.1

             4 May 2017 at 1:50 pm

             They’re already discriminating against a legal activity. Taking drugs is legal – it’s possession of them that’s illegal.
           • WILD KATIPO 3.2.1.1.1.2

             4 May 2017 at 3:42 pm

             Half of Scandinavia are either pissed or stoned after hours , but somehow they just keep managing to run the most prosperous economy’s and social welfare nations on the globe.

             I wonder if their oil CEO’s lead by example…
           • Psycho Milt 3.2.1.1.1.3

             4 May 2017 at 4:21 pm

             Thinking about it could you actually discriminate against some who was indulging in what is a legal activity?

             Yep, all above board. Drinking alcohol is legal but you can discriminate the fuck out of someone who drinks it on the job.
             • BM …

               4 May 2017 at 6:10 pm

               I was thinking more along the lines of having a joint at night but getting stung the following morning in a random drug test.

               Anyone who’s ever smoked weed knows that you’re not the slightest bit impaired but you will lose your job and your boss could lose a lot of money..

               Someone desperately needs to develop a drug impairment test for weed along the same lines as alcohol.

               Getting done when you’re not even under the influence is just ludicrous.
               • Matthew Whitehead …

                 4 May 2017 at 9:21 pm

                 The issue is that the tests for cannabis test residue that stays past the point you’re impaired, wheras blood alcohol and breath alcohol are reasonably correlated with alcohol impairment. Nobody specifically designed alcohol tests as impairment tests, it just happens the easy ways to test for alcohol work relatively well that way.

                 I’m not saying it’s categorically impossible, but the lack of an actual impairment test for cannabis isn’t due to lack of imagination, it’s due to the distinct active properties of THC and ethanol, and that most testers are quite happy to get back a result of “yes they used cannabis in the past few months.”

                 That said, it’s a fair distinction that deserves to make its way into employment law that you can’t dismiss someone for drug use outside of work that didn’t demonstrably impair them on the job. Drug tests that don’t measure impairment are really just another form of constructive dismissal, especially seeing you can just fire someone for their behaviour on the job being unacceptable without any proof they were high anyway.
           • KJT 3.2.1.1.1.4

             5 May 2017 at 8:59 pm

             In the days when alcohol was a problem, I just used to get another workmate to keep the watch, if anyone turned up staggering.
             The culprit would come to work the next day very sorry for himself, and sporting a cauliflower ear.
             Once was usually enough, to ensure it was not repeated.
   • aerobubble 3.3

     4 May 2017 at 1:03 pm

     Controlling behavior from the freedom loving economic party. Businesses need more control of workers, lowe paid employees, so who are you going to hire, yep, t freedom libertarian leave to the market economists who push legistigation that hampers the ability of the economy to find either good employees, or employers who have to lower standards hire mediocre managers. Managers incentivized to financial market needs not the needs of the real economy.

     Loathsome Naff party puzzles inself into its own mess.
   • WILD KATIPO 3.4

     4 May 2017 at 3:57 pm

     Interesting side note , BM ,…

     A Salvation Army Major was picked up at the airport when he was commissioned to establish the Army in Russia when the Soviet Union collapsed,… the Russian S.A member who picked him up was quite drunk on vodka.

     This Major was a hard man ,- and had to deal with the Russian Mafia on a regular basis regarding supply’s kept in warehouses for the poor. He told them , ” if you deal fairly with me , and don’t break the law , I’ll deal fairly with you ”.

     That was the sort of man he was. Blunt and no nonsense. And a marathon runner to boot. And he said the Russians are a hard , tough people by and large.

     When I asked him why they drank so much , he said ” it was just so incredibly cold”…

     My point being , – what people choose to do after hours is their private choice. And so long as it does not cause harm ( which invariably all drugs do including alcohol , sadly) or detract from ones capacity to do their job , well then ,… these invasive measures should not be enforced. The problem , however is that people rarely show control over substance abuse.

     I constantly struggled to enforce / encourage production , group motivation or prevent absenteeism when I was a foreman and had to deal with ‘P’ induced withdrawals in my youthful painter / decorator workgang. And that was not a pleasant experience. I was 20 years these guys their senior, played 6 years in a metal band in some dodgy gang pads and Pare prison , been around the block … yet still felt it was an uphill battle.

     Not all young people are like this by any chalk, however. Most are not.

     Its a difficult one , BM.

     I can see both sides atm.

     Even though right now as I type this I am enjoying a glass of red wine… I reckon we’d all be better off without all these things…
     • BM 3.4.1

       4 May 2017 at 6:46 pm

       The painting trade does seem to be a bit of a magnet for those who like to walk a bit on the wild side.

       I remember a painter chap I used to run into all the time of job sites, telling me about the awards night for the Waikato painter business of year awards.

       Wall to wall drugs and booze with a caravan out the back full of hookers, classy bunch those painters, lol.
       • mosa 3.4.1.1

         4 May 2017 at 7:19 pm

         ‘Wall to wall drugs and booze with a caravan out the back full of hookers ! Classy bunch those painters ! ”

         Not if your Nana ordered blue and white for the exterior and got orange, green and pink instead.
         • WILD KATIPO 3.4.1.1.1

           4 May 2017 at 7:38 pm

           Yeah but BM’s quite right,… its like that.

           And the guy who became my boss that gave me a fair deal after 30 years of neo liberalism was an ex army guy running a painting / decorating business that had a picture of the Queen on the wall as soon as you walked into his living room / kitchen and thought nothing of punching out the lights of a Waikato based DJ who was a shit payer and a talking head all in one. And that wanker DJ was the one who threw the first punch.

           My boss decked the pratt.

           I was in my mid thirty’s and early forties and he was 20 years my senior and was STILL like my mentor. I owe a lot to that bloke , he was a real KIWI hard case.

           Unlike the boss I worked for in the example in comment 3.4 ,… that was when I was working for an ex Queen St cowboy privileged pratt from Auckland who shifted tio the Waikato,- there was no back up form that dude and he was a wannabe ‘ leftie’… and a wanker to boot.
       • KJT 3.4.1.2

         5 May 2017 at 9:01 pm

         I know a fair few people in responsible positions now, who would never have passed a dope test back in the day.
   • saveNZ 3.5

     4 May 2017 at 4:33 pm

     We didn’t seem to have the P epidemic either a decade ago. Wonder how all that P is getting into NZ?

     Apparently only $100 for a weeks supply.

     People bringing the raw ingredients for P in this country to poison people, but the government doesn’t seem too fussed. More interested in getting the proceeds from crimes recovery than actually stopping the P. Or even being interested in why it’s happening in the last decade and moving to stop that…
     • WILD KATIPO 3.5.1

       4 May 2017 at 6:35 pm

       Hehehe… I get where you are coming from,….

       As a result of our ‘ free market’ deal with China whereby they can buy property here in NZ , – but we cannot buy property in China, … we have the likes of the New Zealand Headhunters gang liaising with Chinese Triad gang drug mules and contractors bringing their shit into New Zealand.

       This makes it easier for shit talkers like Bill English – the Double Dipper from Dipton – to blame New Zealand youth as ‘ hopeless , useless drug impaired no hopers’ and import a few thousand more from Asia to provide cheap labour and throw young KIWI workers on the scrap heap and implementing a runaway , out of control and irresponsible immigration programme to import even more cheap labour to put downwards pressure on wages and shore up NZ’s housing bubble.

       What a complete Catholic hypocrite and arsehole.

       WISE UP , New Zealanders , – English is nothing more than a globalist Mont Pelerin Society lackey that wants to gut this society as much as he can before he looses in September.

       Don’t believe me ?

       THEN BLOODY READ THIS :

       ………………………………………….

       New Right Fight – Who are the New Right?
       http://www.newrightfight.co.nz/pageA.html

       Who Is The Mont Pelerin Society ?
       ………………………………………………………

       This looting and destruction of the nation-state of New Zealand was planned and implemented by the London-based Mont Pelerin Society.

       In 1947, Mont Pelerin founder von Hayek lamented that the war had drastically strengthened nation-states, which must be replaced, he said, with the classic, anti-state free trade “liberalism” of eighteenth and nineteenth century Britain.

       Many of those continental Europeans present, like von Hayek, carried the prefix “von” before their surnames, signifying that they came from the noble families which had governed Europe for centuries.

       Mont Pelerin shared the same “conservative revolution” philosophy as the Nazis. It also shared some of the same personnel. For instance, Max von Thurn und Taxis was a sponsor of von Hayek and his new society.

       Thurn und Taxis’ family had founded another society in southern Germany before World War 1, which was composed entirely of aristocrats, known as the Thule Society. Thule in turn formed a special “workers division” known as the “National Socialist German Workers Party” (NSDAP). The NSDAP, into which an Austrian corporal named Adolf Hitler was recruited, later became better known by the abbreviated version of its name, the “Nazis.”
       ………………………………………………………………

       In 1989, Max von Thurn und Taxis attended a meeting of his Mont Pelerin Society in Christchurch, New Zealand, to judge, first hand, the results of the “worlds most radical free market revolution.”

       ” A primary focus of the Thule Society was a claim concerning the origins of the Aryan race. In 1917, people who wanted to join the “Germanic Order”, out of which the Thule Society developed in 1918, had to sign a special “blood declaration of faith” concerning their lineage:

       “The signer hereby swears to the best of his knowledge and belief that no Jewish or coloured blood flows in either his or in his wife’s veins, and that among their ancestors are no members of the coloured races.”
       ……………………………………………………………….

       Thule Society – Wikipedia
       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Society

       Young Hitler – Excerpts Appendix | The Thule Society
       http://www.younghitler.com/thule_society.htm
   • mosa 3.6

     4 May 2017 at 6:29 pm

     Ah BM the good old days in old NZ before it all went pear shaped and the harsh reality of life and responsibility kicked in.
   • NZJester 3.7

     5 May 2017 at 6:26 am

     All these anecdotal comments about people preferring weed are exposed as lies when real evidence is looked at. I bet if you heard his former apprentices side it would be a totally different story. I’m betting that is just what he says about why the apprentice left to hide the fact of what a shit employer and tutor he is. Probably forced his apprentice to do unpaid overtime, micro-manged him or belittled him at every opportunity. I worked for a boss like that once. I heard him talk shit to another employer one time about another employee who quit just the previous day telling all these stories I knew to be false. The employee had told me he was quitting as he could not take the bosses shit treatment anymore. He was doing his best to learn, but when he asked valid questions was belittled for asking them and never got an answer, probably because the boss used that as a means to hide the fact he didn’t know the answer!
4. WILD KATIPO 4

   4 May 2017 at 12:10 pm

   Or could it be that as a result of of 33 years of neo liberal policy they see all of the shit results mentioned in the article above by Anthony Robbins as pretty much how life is for most of them – and us ?

   New Right Fight – Who are the New Right?
   http://www.newrightfight.co.nz/pageA.html

   And National party MP’s as being something along the same sort of lines as this guy…

   Denis Leary – Asshole (Uncensored Version) – YouTube
   
   • gsays 4.1

     4 May 2017 at 3:19 pm

     Dennis Leary is a thief and plagiarist
     Google Bill hicks and Leary.
     Talentless gobshite.
     • WILD KATIPO 4.1.1

       4 May 2017 at 3:24 pm

       Bit like so many right wingers then. Therefore the cheap tacky song is applicable.

       New Right Fight – Who are the New Right?
       http://www.newrightfight.co.nz/pageA.html
5. Antoine 5

   4 May 2017 at 12:15 pm

   Love to know how the 19% increase is broken down between age groups, ethnicities, qualified vs unqualified, urban vs rural etc

   A.
6. Stuart Munro 6

   4 May 2017 at 12:16 pm

   The future is bright for Bill: no shadows in a bonfire.
7. esoteric pineapples 7

   4 May 2017 at 3:00 pm

   Don’t forget getting rid of night classes – one of the most short sighted and mean-spirited things National has done
   • UncookedSelachimorpha 7.1

     4 May 2017 at 3:21 pm

     Yep, how that was supposed to make the future any brighter, I’ll never know.
     • tc 7.1.1

       4 May 2017 at 3:36 pm

       It wasnt it was intended to send a message as the MSM duly repeated the lies about courses that were self funded and not govt funded.

       Flogging state houses hopefully bookends the nasty partys reign and they get turfed out.
     • WILD KATIPO 7.1.2

       4 May 2017 at 3:37 pm

       Because by closing in vulnerable people with little choices to advance themselves makes them even more vulnerable to filling the part time increasingly minimum wage populations…

       And that means for National supporters – the sun surely did shine out of Paula Bennetts arse.
8. tc 8

   4 May 2017 at 3:21 pm

   To quote homer simpson
   “….just because I don’t care doesn’t mean I don’t understand…”
9. Tamati Tautuhi 9

   4 May 2017 at 4:00 pm

   The big problem is the 92,700 idle youth aged 15-24 are not going to disappear many will probably join gangs and peddle drugs or spend their time planning how to make some illicit money, the old saying goes “the devil makes work for idle hands”.

   It concerns me when I hear the Headhunters Gang are recruiting more prospects on a weekly basis than we as a country are recruiting young Police Officers ?

   We need to educate and train our youth no matter what their backgrounds, I heard the other day some children are getting to Intermediate Level at school and can not read or write, if this is happening we have some serious issues in our Primary Education System ?
   • WILD KATIPO 9.1

     4 May 2017 at 4:29 pm

     That’s what happens when teachers are induced to operate on a ‘ merit’ system – like bank staff – they have to show evidence of numbers / units of production. There is little time for teachers to invest in students with learning issues – from whatever reason the origins – when they are forced to compete among themselves for wages and conditions .

     This is a direct and shameful result of bulk funding , ‘promotion by merit’ and deliberate under- funding by successive neo liberal govt’s who seek to advance the cause for ‘ profit driven private education establishments’ , – over taxpayer funded ‘ public education ‘.

     If we wish to rid ourselves of this social malaise , – then we would first recognize it for what it is , attach a label to it , – and then come together in unity – such as the Teachers Union and other Unions by way of support ,… to dislodge these odious neo liberal elements from having influence over our society.

     And we can start by reading this link and realizing that this contains the essence of who the New Right were , and how they STILL influence the social malaise we see in New Zealand today. If this BASIC requirement of understanding is not met , – then you will only have yourselves to blame.

     I am now talking DIRECT links to pseudo NAZISM and its effects in 2017 , – barring the sick and perverted racial / religious dogmas prevalent within the actual NAZI doctrines..

     New Right Fight – Who are the New Right?
     http://www.newrightfight.co.nz/pageA.html

     ……………………………………………………………………………..

     * ” A primary focus of the Thule Society was a claim concerning the origins of the Aryan race. In 1917, people who wanted to join the “Germanic Order”, out of which the Thule Society developed in 1918, had to sign a special “blood declaration of faith” concerning their lineage:

     “The signer hereby swears to the best of his knowledge and belief that no Jewish or coloured blood flows in either his or in his wife’s veins, and that among their ancestors are no members of the coloured races.”
     ……………………………………………………………..

     Thule Society – Wikipedia
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Society

     Young Hitler – Excerpts Appendix | The Thule Society
     http://www.younghitler.com/thule_society.htm
   • Johan 9.2

     4 May 2017 at 6:56 pm

     TT, “if this is happening we have some serious issues in our Primary Education System”. The problem comes from dysfunctional families, who have children, while at the same time do not have the resources to raise them in a nurturing environment.
     From first hand experience, there are children who are forced to attend 5 to 6 different schools within a school year because of family or economic circumstances. Some children are not encouraged to go to school by their parents, so it’s more convenient for them to stay home and operate the playstation.
10. bugsolutely nz 10

    4 May 2017 at 5:27 pm

    I don’t I’m in work but find most of the people i deal with are not capable of the jobs there doing. Auckland transport would be a good example, Thy either receive bonuses based on the amount of congestion they cause or are unsuitable for the high paid positions they hold.
11. Philj 11

    4 May 2017 at 5:43 pm

    Bill English is practiced in not getting it. He didn’t know what a feminist was. Housing or immigration – denial. He rarely if ever mentions the government debt situation. It’s not in his interest to get it. In September he may well get it.
    • WILD KATIPO 11.1

      4 May 2017 at 6:51 pm

      The reason he doesn’t ‘ get it’ is because he is in league with the same sort of fuckers I mentioned in comment ( 3.5.1 ) and ( 9.1 ).

      Why bother beating around the bush about these shitheads when the conclusive evidence for the motivations of their policy’s have been already well researched and are out there for all to see?

      Why tolerate the bastards any longer ?

      Are we masochists?

      Or do we just enjoy having something to bleat about?

      I find it intolerable that we allow these shitarses any measure of credence or ability to fuck our society like they have. I find it incredible we let them even exist as a political entity.
    • Tamati Tautuhi 11.2

      4 May 2017 at 7:14 pm

      The guy is a Banker and they are all milking it, he is a Rothschild protege along with Johnny Key ?
12. mosa 12

    4 May 2017 at 6:44 pm

    92,000 young people with no direction , participation, aims or hope.

    Written off by the ruling class.

    That is the real disaster of the Brighter Future and an indictment of this Bill English National government.
    • WILD KATIPO 12.1

      4 May 2017 at 7:00 pm

      Again – lets call them out for who they are and the motivational group behind them

      It didn’t happen in a vacuum one sunny day when some sicko thought it’d be a good idea to fuck off with New Zealanders wealth – IT WAS PLANNED.

      AND WE ARE STILL AS GULLIBLE AS WHEN ROGER DOUGLAS STARTED IT ALL !!!!!

      New Right Fight – Who are the New Right?
      http://www.newrightfight.co.nz/pageA.html

      Who Is The Mont Pelerin Society ?

      This looting and destruction of the nation-state of New Zealand was planned and implemented by the London-based Mont Pelerin Society.

      In 1947, Mont Pelerin founder von Hayek lamented that the war had drastically strengthened nation-states, which must be replaced, he said, with the classic, anti-state free trade “liberalism” of eighteenth and nineteenth century Britain.

      Many of those continental Europeans present, like von Hayek, carried the prefix “von” before their surnames, signifying that they came from the noble families which had governed Europe for centuries.

      Mont Pelerin shared the same “conservative revolution” philosophy as the Nazis. It also shared some of the same personnel. For instance, Max von Thurn und Taxis was a sponsor of von Hayek and his new society.

      Thurn und Taxis’ family had founded another society in southern Germany before World War 1, which was composed entirely of aristocrats, known as the Thule Society. Thule in turn formed a special “workers division” known as the “National Socialist German Workers Party” (NSDAP). The NSDAP, into which an Austrian corporal named Adolf Hitler was recruited, later became better known by the abbreviated version of its name, the “Nazis.”

      In 1989, Max von Thurn und Taxis attended a meeting of his Mont Pelerin Society in Christchurch, New Zealand, to judge, first hand, the results of the “worlds most radical free market revolution.”

      …………………………………………………………………

      ” A primary focus of the Thule Society was a claim concerning the origins of the Aryan race. In 1917, people who wanted to join the “Germanic Order”, out of which the Thule Society developed in 1918, had to sign a special “blood declaration of faith” concerning their lineage:

      “The signer hereby swears to the best of his knowledge and belief that no Jewish or coloured blood flows in either his or in his wife’s veins, and that among their ancestors are no members of the coloured races.”

      ………………………………………………………………

      Thule Society – Wikipedia
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Society

      Young Hitler – Excerpts Appendix | The Thule Society
      http://www.younghitler.com/thule_society.htm
      • BM 12.1.1

        4 May 2017 at 7:01 pm

        You do get a bit fixated on stuff old boy.

        That’s about the hundredth time you’ve put up that link, can you summarise what it’s all about? that site is as ugly as fuck and hurts my eyes.
        • WILD KATIPO 12.1.1.1

          4 May 2017 at 8:41 pm

          Well , old bean ,… the reason I post it up is simply because most people DON’T read links , – and are more interested in spouting off their opinions without any references to historic fact. They have no ‘ Touchstone ‘ as it were.

          They simply react to the latest degrading initiative of the far right instead of going on the front foot.

          This the neo liberal right wing knows. Only too well.

          And yet , – if half of these commentators had a working knowledge of history – both recent and earlier- they would be in a far better position to understand the present.

          As for the that site or any other being ugly , I cannot help that.

          Any admissible evidence – ( and I believe many instigators of neo liberal politics should indeed be brought to trial in our courts on charges of grand theft of the Commons wealth along with treason against the sovereign nation state of New Zealand ) – may indeed be ugly .

          I would imagine that a blood splattered wall in a murder scene is equally as ugly , – however is STILL admissible evidence. Equally as much as a poorly handwritten note of appeal or confession is in a court trial.

          I would advise anyone having trouble with that site or any other to get past their prejudices and focus instead on the relevancy of the content.

          To which that site by Hugh Price / Hugh Price Publishers serves more than adequately in exposing the quasi fascist NAZI origins of the New Right / neo liberal ideology implemented by such as the Mont Pelerin Society.

          I may have been a labourer most of my life , – but I also gained a Diploma in Science and Technology and have a keen interest in social equity . Please don’t try and fuck in such a simplistic manner with me in future , please.

          Not all of us old school New Zealanders pre 1984 are thick bastards.

          And just remember , – you wanted an answer , – well you’ve just got it.

          Learn to get over yourself.

          .
13. Red Hand 13

    4 May 2017 at 7:17 pm

    Yes a disaster, but not on its own an election issue.

    http://nzccss.org.nz/news/2017/04/election-issues-2017-housing-inequality/
    • mosa 13.1

      4 May 2017 at 7:23 pm

      Colaterall damage is never an election issue.
14. JustMe 14

    5 May 2017 at 7:46 pm

    I get the feeling the reason for the low liking Bill English has for NZers is because he has been caught out Double Dipping on Accommodation costs and this is his feeble attempt at ‘tit for tat’ for being caught out.
    He now tries abysmally to give us the impression he is more holier than Jesus but for a guy who had absolutely no hesitation let alone remorse for resorting to Double Dipping shows how shallow he is as a person.
    And so when I say he tries to appear more holier than a Saint(Jesus)it’s because he seems to have a ready answer for everything but when caught in a corner(of his OWN making)he resorts to blaming others for HIS(and HIS governments’)mistakes.
    Whenever Bill English calls New Zealanders as “pretty damned hopeless” then I suggest he looks in the mirror and focuses his eyes directly upon himself and says that he too is ‘pretty damned hopeless’.
    As a Catholic he must well know the Biblical quote of ‘He who is without sin cast the first stone…”. But Bill English appears to be above even God and Jesus in his judgment of others.
    When we have a pm called Bill English who like John Key lives in a little world of make believe that all is fine and dandy in NZ then we know for a fact they are so completely out of touch with reality to be considered complete idiots.
    But then we all know neither Bill English, Paula Bennett or any other so-called senior National Party followers would ever know how the other half has to live in 2017. It’s called the Age of Arrogance and it’s something this government has alot of now.

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