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Breaking: Compensation for Bain for Government’s mishandling of compensation process

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Justice Minister Amy Adams has announced there will be no compensation for David Bain for his incarceration although it has decided to award compensation for undue delay difficulties in finalising the matter processing the claim in a hope the matter will be finalised by the payment of an ex gratia payment of $925,000.  The payment has been accepted in full and final settlement of all claims.  Judith Collins has a lot to answer for.

139 comments on “Breaking: Compensation for Bain for Government’s mishandling of compensation process”

  1. Rosemary McDonald 1

    “…will be no compensation for David Bain for his incarceration although it has decided to award compensation for undue delay in finalising the matter in a hope the matter will be finalised by the payment of an ex gratia payment of $925,000. ”

    My brain just turned inside out.

    Clayton’s compo.

    [You are right. I have changed the description because it is clear that the “process difficulties” are the reason for the payment. But yes it is Clayton’s compo – MS]

    • adam 1.1

      I’m confused. This just seems odd.

      ” Clayton’s compo” I think you just nailed it Rosemary McDonald

  2. Wensleydale 2

    “Sorry, David. We’re not going to compensate you for your unjust imprisonment. However, we are generously prepared to compensate you for fucking you around for years before deciding we’re not going to compensate you.”

    If I were David Bain, I’d be incandescent with rage right now.

    • Rosemary McDonald 2.1

      “If I were David Bain, I’d be incandescent with rage right now.”

      The Clayton’s Compo has been accepted. I wonder if the deal has a gagging clause.

    • Puckish Rogue 2.2

      “If I were David Bain, I’d be incandescent with rage right now.”

      He should be damn thankful that he’s still not in prison

      • McFlock 2.2.1

        +1

      • Kevin 2.2.2

        Why?

        He should never have been there in the first place.

        He was wrongly convicted and then found not guilty in a second trial.

        He is entitled to compensation as was Teina Pora, David Dougherty and Alan Thomas, whether you like it or not.

        • Puckish Rogue 2.2.2.1

          He was correctly found guilty and then incorrectly found not guilty and the difference between Teina Pora, David Dougherty and Alan Thomas and David Bain is that they were not guilty

          If David Bain wanted compensation then he should have gone on the dock so he could have been questioned

          • Leftie 2.2.2.1.1

            But wasn’t Bain acquitted in his retrial?

            • Puckish Rogue 2.2.2.1.1.1

              As I understand it (and no doubt someone will probably correct me) theres a higher threshold for compensation, that its not just a case of found not guilty = money

              • McFlock

                weizguy went into it below.

                The cabinet guideline is whether, on the balance of probabilities, he actually did it (therefore the injustice is the irregularities that led to the trial being overturned and redone) or did not do it (so the injustice was that a probably innocent man was sent to gaol).

                • dukeofurl

                  The Police evidence to ‘prove his innocence’ was not kept for his retrial or subsequent enquiries

                  Botched investigation meant he could have been cleared at his first trial
                  “In further cross-examination by Reed, the former detective agreed his officers had failed to take gunshot residue tests of either Robin’s or David’s hands and arms in the time period required. ”

                  “He accepted that although the police manual talked about wrapping bodies in plastic and ensuring hands and feet were wrapped as well, that was not done in Robin Bain’s case.”

                  “Doyle agreed that if skin around the head wounds of Robin Bain had been properly preserved, a major dispute in the current trial could have been avoided. Carpet on which bloody footprints were found should also have been cut out but was not.”

                  “The samples were scrapings from underneath Robin Bain’s fingernails, a smear of blood on Robin Bain’s left hand and skin samples from Robin Bain’s hands. They were destroyed on January 26, 1996.”
                  http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/2249985/Police-investigation-challenged

                  The NBR analysis why police incompetance meant it was impossible for Bain to prove his innocence
                  http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/twelve-reasons-worry-about-bain-case-ns-134942
                  eg
                  Photographs taken of the crime scene were a “shambles”. The date and time function on the camera was not switched on.
                  The DNA sample for the “blood fingerprint” analysis was found to be an “unspeakable mess”.
                  . Police destroyed crucial evidence ahead of the Bain appeal.

        • smilin 2.2.2.2

          Seems a pedantic difference between not guilty and innocent when it comes to the govt
          If your innocent till proven guilty then what do you call not guilty if it is not innocent
          Therefore his imprisonment was the fault of HMG so he should be compensated and the govt accept the highest court ruling ie privy council or is that not good enough then what is ?a royal pardon ?
          I suppose they will argue against that on the grounds of what, the Queens reps arent competent, or just a plain old fuck you DB we know yo did it signed off by one of the excops in parliament really good eh

      • billmurray 2.2.3

        Puckish Rogue, I agree with you, lets just hope that with this payment he and his handler ‘Mr Greed’ disappear from our lives.

        • Puckish Rogue 2.2.3.1

          Do you think they will though?

          • billmurray 2.2.3.1.1

            Puckish Rogue, Joe Karam may want to keep going but Bain who did not go into the dock to get cross examined, will be very grateful indeed for this perk pay-out will call time.
            I wish that they both become immigrants FROM our country.

            • red-blooded 2.2.3.1.1.1

              I think you mean “emigrants”, Bill. (“I”=in, “E”=exit)

              Leave the poor bloke alone, eh?

      • D'Esterre 2.2.4

        Puckish Rogue: ” He should be damn thankful that he’s still not in prison.”

        My sentiments exactly.

      • meconism 2.2.5

        Conviction quashed by the Privy Council and acquitted at re trial, if that doesn’t satisfy you, might i suggest you go and [Deleted. Don’t advocate violence, please. TRP]. I read a lot of your stupidity on this site pr but you really are an ignorant selfish and profoundly stupid prick. I wouldn’t cross the road to piss on you if you were on fire.

    • Patricia Duff 2.3

      Indeed I would create hell looking back at some of the payouts it is peanuts,

    • mosa 2.4

      After reading Joe Karams book i am even more convinced he did the crime.
      His version has never added up and he has NOT BEEN FOUND INNOCENT OF THE CRIME after all the money spent and court trials they have not found him innocent beyond all reasonable doubt.
      With our money i suppose he can just afford to buy a house in Auckland.
      Outrageous.

      • aerobubble 2.4.1

        The question of guilt is irrelevant until proceediral matters are dealt with. Victims of crime must expect justice is available. You do remember the victims dont you. The parasite class likes to make out how defintive everything is, but they routine dont care about actual facts. Ts a fact that a person has the right to a fair trial, cause the victims want the right person to be found guilty, also they dont want a wrong added, that a innocent is found guilty. This is why we’d rather guilt people go free than innocent be locked away. THis is why every freedom patriot is incensed that Bain has failed to be compensated by the govt. Its up to a free state to prove that its capable of proving guilt as well as doing so. A state cannot allow its agents to fumble a guilt verdit, then say their bad, they can provide the evidence for a sufficient balance of probabilities assessment. The Law society should strike off the author of the report who contends the Police handling of evidence is sufficient, since his report isnt a legal document, or that the govt exjudicial declaration of balance probs is a judgment worth pee, using legal criteria to pass political decision off as legal is unconsciousable. In fact Bain should be now sued for falsly agreeing to a unconsciousable contract, that can finallt investigate the fairness to all the courts proceedings police handling and politucal spin. Because i think this whole affair, pushing the guilt of a person into a public arena is an attack on the justice system.

        What is a persin to do when they walking into their home, their family dying, their relative, son, father, brother, are insane, and left them in the frame? Nobody has a clue now. And should you dare fight this, your givt will give you a million dollars eventually. Oh please what does thst say about our courts? When they fail to admit error, when pushed after decades to, they still are miserily and unhumilated by being caught failing.

      • Brigid 2.4.2

        But have you read Justice Binney’s report? I think you should. As should all the people who doubt David Bain’s innocence.

  3. Siobhan 3

    I was waiting for a piece on this ..OUTRAGEOUS decision….

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/309942/care-worker-loses-at-court-of-appeal

    “The court said Ms Lowe’s relief work for full-time carers for disabled people did not fit the definition of being an employee.”

    • Lanthanide 3.1

      This should be moved to Open Mike.

    • Rosemary McDonald 3.2

      Siobahn…you are right…but this is not unexpected. I read the entire decision before my coffee this morning and in actual fact, the way the Miserly of Health set up Carer Support, it was never going to be ever a “fit for purpose” scheme.

      I am a fulltime unpaid care of my partner, with an allocation of 100 of Carer Support Subsidy that I am unable to use….legally.

      ps. I suspect this exchange may be moved to Open Mike.

      • weka 3.2.1

        Rosemary, is the $3/hr paid by the MoH direct to the care worker? Or does it go through the family? They called it relief work in the RNZ article but are they talking about respite care?

        • Rosemary McDonald 3.2.1.1

          http://www.health.govt.nz/your-health/services-and-support/disability-services/types-disability-support/respite-and-carer-support/carer-support

          The ‘full time unpaid carer’ (that’s me!) is allocated so many ‘days’ funded at $76 per day.

          There is a form to be filled out….can be accessed through the page I linked to.

          I can pay the ‘support carer’ directly….(with what pray? The dollars shaken from the tree down the back?) get them to fill out their bit of the form and I can claim back the amount.

          or…and preferably…I can fill out the form saying ‘x’ gave me so many days of support please pay them the $76 per day.

          It used to be possible (and common) for folk to send in a form “saying ‘x’ did ‘y’ number of days during this date and that date” and they would pay the support carer.

          This was by far the best method for those of us caring for someone with very high and complex care needs when most of the time we had to take ‘support’ (from acceptable people) at short notice and at irregular times. Very difficult to organise support carers with the level of expertise that means the unpaid fulltime carer can just walk off and leave them to it. There has to be enough flexibility in the system….there never was, and in early 2010 the Misery changed the form and now we had to put down the number of hours the person worked ….start and finish times…ridiculous when the funding per day is so low.

          All up Weka….Carer Support was a token ‘shut them up’ gesture from the Ministry.

          Having said that….our family has provided support care for disabled children. The kids would come and stay (our home is accessible) and not only get the care they needed, but they would get to stay with a family where one of the parents had a disability and was themselves a hands on carer. We did this for $76 for 24 hour period. Happy to as these kids needed good respite care and their parents needed this kind of support.

          While the Lowe case was wending, the Miserly began a trial of Enabling Good Lives in the Western BOP and Waikato. One aspect was enabling people to use their Enhanced Inidividualised Funding to pay for Carer Support at a much higher hourly rate. I have no experience of this scheme…but there is a rather larger evaluation of the EGL program…haha..not an entirely positive read as the Miserly seemingly cannot help but be the ones in control…even when they say…”you, the disabled person is in charge!”

          I am not surprised by this decision…CSS was always a subsidy and for years folk got along and used it the best way they could, and the low hourly rate was subsidised by sheer good will.

          Something that the Misery of Health has a deficit of.

    • I’m not sure if this is the right post for discussing that particular case, Siobhan. It’s a disappointing outcome, certainly. But from reading the link, the question seems to be about the nature of the work Ms Lowe was doing and whether it was as a contractor, as a homeworker or as an employee. The DHB appears to have successfully argued that she wasn’t an employee. I’m not sure what the implications are for others doing similar work, but no doubt her union will be clarifying that matter in short time.

    • aerobubble 3.4

      You noticed how they dumped these stories all together…

  4. Infused 4

    He was never found innocent. We all know he did it.

    • Wensleydale 4.1

      Stop listening to the voices in your head, Infused. It’s not healthy.

    • mickysavage 4.2

      In that case the payment is an acknowledgment by the Government that it stuffed up the compensation process. Big time.

      • Leftie 4.2.1

        And isn’t that why the National government purposely stuffed up the compensation process so it wouldnt have to pay out proper restitution?

        • Chris 4.2.1.1

          The original claim was made when we had a Labour government which put every ounce of energy it had into defending that claim. Labour did the same thing in the sleepover case. Absolutely sickening behaviour from a party that calls itself progressive. Workers’ rights and human rights be damned.

          • Leftie 4.2.1.1.1

            “Workers’ rights and human rights be damned.”

            That is so very true of National Chris.

            • Chris 4.2.1.1.1.1

              I was referring to what happened when we had a Labour government.

              • Leftie

                David Bain was acquitted in 2009 Chris, wasn’t the claim for compensation made after that?

              • Chris

                I’ve gotten tangled up – have been commenting on the discussion about the carers decision above.

                • dukeofurl

                  You are scrambled over the Carers case as well. had nothing to do with when labour government was in office. Chain of cases started here.

                  “In 2013 Ms Lowe issued proceedings in the Employment Relations Authority
                  seeking a determination that she was engaged as a homeworker>>”

                  • Leftie

                    +1 Dukeofurl.

                  • Chris

                    The latest claim wouldn’t have been possible without the Atkinson case – a proceeding that went on for years because a Labour government spent hundreds of thousands of dollars defending a human rights claim they ought to have embraced.

                • Leftie

                  Yeah, right, but the Nats still don’t do wrong aye Chris? its always going to be Labour’s fault regardless.

                  • Chris

                    If the current Labour party are the fresh new progressives you say they are why are you so defensive against negative comments about the previous Labour government?

                    • dukeofurl

                      Correcting mistakes is a backward move ? Just keep your baseless slurs to your self as this shows you havent a clue.

                    • Leftie

                      Because it is totally irrelevant under the topic being discussed Chris, again you are just trying to have a go for the sake of it. Have a cup of tea and take your pointless argument elsewhere.

                    • Chris

                      What mistakes have Labour corrected?

                    • Leftie

                      You’re being deliberately obtuse Chris, because you want to have a fight. Dukeofurl was making reference to your mistakes, and you know it.

                    • Chris

                      dukeofurl was referring to Labour’s mistakes, you pathetic little Labour toadie.

                    • Leftie

                      You’re sad and pathetic. Get a life Chris, you’ll feel better.

      • Leftie 4.2.2

        Collins got her way in the end, didn’t she?

        • Psycho Milt 4.2.2.1

          For once I feel happy that Collins got her way. If only she’d got her way to the extent that Bain got told to whistle for his money.

          • Ross 4.2.2.1.1

            Me too.

            Remember David Bain said, after his conviction was quashed:

            “I kept coming back to my core belief – I wasn’t there.”

            Hmmm it’s merely a belief that he’s innocent? In the same interview he said that whether anyone thought he was guilty or innocent, he’s served 13 years in prison and should be able to get on with his life. That’s another weird comment.

            http://www.tv3.co.nz/Mar-4—David-Bain—The-Interview/tabid/2059/articleID/76018/Default.aspx

            • red-blooded 4.2.2.1.1.1

              I don’t find that comment at all weird. He knows there are some people who will never be convinced. Personally, I think he’s innocent. Even if he wasn’t, though, I would take the view that he was clearly a very traumatised and damaged young man if he did commit the murders and that he had served his time. Let’s remember that the non-parole period for murder used to be 10 years. Thirteen years is a damn long time for anyone, let alone someone who’s spent his 20s and early 30s in prison. There’s no way to really compensate someone for that, if the original conviction was wrong. Even if it wasn’t, I’d say 13 years is enough.

              • Ross

                Thirteen years for the cold, calculating murder of five people, including three of his siblings? Because, if he’s guilty, that’s exactly what he did and, not forgetting, tried to blame his father by writing a fake note. You might think 13 years in prison is a damn long time but it equates to less than three years for each life taken. In other countries, like the UK, he’d likely be spending the rest of his life in prison.

                There’s plenty of evidence to suggest he’s guilty. I do find it interesting that he told his original trial lawyer that he was wearing his mother’s glasses on the night of the murders but recanted when he realised the implication of that admission.

                • red-blooded

                  When it comes right down to it, neither you nor I can possibly know if he committed the murders. My instinct, having looked into things reasonably thoroughly some years ago, is no. Yours is yes. Either way, the police botched the investigation and made it impossible to really resolve the matter. (See later comments about issue like carpets and gunpowder residue tests.) However, even if he did kill his family (which I really doubt), it would be ridiculous to talk about these murders as “cold-blooded”. These were clearly the acts of an unbalanced mind (whoever that mind belonged to). What did Bain have to gain from these killings? “Cold-blooded” implies an external motivation, and a careful plan.

                  As for things like which glasses he was wearing, I hope you never have to experience such horror and panic. Maybe you’d be super-settled and calm. I sure as hell wouldn’t and – shit – I might even make mistakes or change my story as different memories pushed their way into the clutter of my thoughts and feelings. I might do things that seemed, to a third person, looking back and looking to create their own narrative, to be illogical or inconsistent. You? You’d clearly be calm and orderly and fine and dandy. Good on you.

                  • Ross

                    How closely have you looked at the evidence? It might be worth looking at it again.

                    I hope you never have to experience such horror and panic.

                    But how do you know David panicked? He didn’t call police for at least 20 minutes, all the while the killer might have been inside the house. Why didn’t David quickly leave the house, fearing that he might be the next to be shot? He said he went from room to room – hearing his sister gurgle and watching blood streaming down his mother’s face, but not calling police – yet he didn’t say he was scared of being killed. Why not?

                    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/82734851/callinan-report-highlights-issues-in-david-bains-innocence-appeal

                    • red-blooded

                      “Why didn’t he…?”

                      Again, horror and panic. Shock and grief. People process these experiences differently and they don’t necessarily do things tidily and logically.

              • Chris

                Some of the evidence supports a conclusion that Robin killed his wife and three kids then David came home, saw what had happened then shot Robin. If that were the case then provocation would’ve been available so 13 years is ample.

            • UncookedSelachimorpha 4.2.2.1.1.2

              He has often used language that is inconsistent with innocence – including the 111 call.

      • Tanz 4.2.3

        Have you not looked at all the physical evidence, MS? All of it leads to DB, there is not one shred of hard evidence against Robin Bain. It’s an outrage that DB gets anything, and its extortion money. The only good thing, the final report finally acquits the voiceless Robin Bain and I am sure those greedy lawyers will suck up much of the dosh. What a travesty! The first jury was the sensible jury, who did not party with the accused, and were not blindsided by a media circus.

    • weizguy 4.3

      We don’t have a system that finds innocence. Our systems retains the presumption that a person is innocent until proven guilty. Bain’s conviction was overturned. Perhaps you should think about how you would respond to being subjected to the same criteria.

      This bizarre obsession with finding people innocent demonstrates a disturbing misunderstanding of our criminal justice system. Please retire that poor abused canard.

      • GregJ 4.3.1

        Thanks for the most sensible comment on this whole post.

        Tying compensation for wrongful imprisonment to a standard that is not found in our judicial system is inequitable and an injustice. The state is entrusted with tremendous power to exercise justice on our behalf and it should be held to exacting standards of proof in obtaining a conviction. If someone is wrongly convicted or the conviction is unsafe (as found by the Privy Council), imprisoned, re-tried and found Not Guilty then compensation should be paid – both to make amends to the person concerned and to remind the state authorities (police, prosecution service and courts) of the high standards that they are held to in exercising justice.

      • Macro 4.3.2

        ^^^^ This.

    • Michelle 4.4

      Do we really know he did it. We should never reintroduce the death penalty in our country our police and justice system is too tardy. How many more victims are sitting in our prisons that shouldn’t be

    • aerobubble 4.5

      Govt gives murderer million dollars, says its Police, courts, appeals, did a fine job keeping a murderer getting anything. Since we know Bain will get nothing as the money is for the lawyers fees etc. Timeliness is essential for justice, Bain never stood a chance to prove innocence, we can only hope he was guilty.

  5. Lanthanide 5

    Have a read of this, from a journalist who attended the retrial: http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/2518912/Plenty-of-doubt-in-Bain-jurys-verdict

    The weight of circumstantial evidence against David is pretty heavy.

    • Puckish Rogue 5.1

      Exactly

      David Bain got away with murder and pocketed 900 grand (and whatever profits from the books) for his trouble

      • Kevin 5.1.1

        “David Bain got away with murder”

        Not unless his feet shrunk before the killings and then grew after.

        • Puckish Rogue 5.1.1.1

          https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/conclusion-reached-bain-compensation-case

          “Mr Callinan’s report found that Mr Bain has not established his innocence on the balance of probabilities. As such, no statement of innocence or compensation payment will be made to Mr Bain.

          • Leftie 5.1.1.1.1

            That’s not what Canadian judge Ian Binnie reported.

            Ian Binnie was the first judge that the National government had hired to make a report. National didn’t like his findings, so they hired someone else who would say what they wanted. National is always doing that.

            Its like what john key says, if you don’t like what one scientist, academic, lawyer says, find another who will give you a counter view.

            <a href="http://www.listener.co.nz/commentary/john-keys-unhappy-week-at-the-bbc/

            • Psycho Milt 5.1.1.1.1.1

              In this case, they were justified in rejecting the report. The guy had been handed a brief that said “applicant must make a case for being innocent on balance of probabilities” and came back with a report that put the burden of proof on the Crown. That’s the equivalent of a surgeon cutting off the wrong limb – it’s no surprise Collins was furious with him.

          • Kevin 5.1.1.1.2

            Pretty hard to establish your innocence when the police made such a pigs arse of the gathering and preserving evidence.

            • GregJ 5.1.1.1.2.1

              Not surprising for the police. Their recordkeeping has and continues to be a shambles. It’s not just carelessness (although that plays a part) – it’s the arrogance of an organisation that thinks it doesn’t have to play by the rules everyone else does.

    • Rosemary McDonald 5.2

      What I never understood was why David was found ‘guilty’, as opposed to ‘not guilty by reason of insanity’. Killing your entire family like that. Not the action of a sane person, surely?

      I used to think the balance of probabilities was against David being innocent…the evidence collected and compiled by the police prosecution team was sooo damning.

      Then I personally experienced police incompetence/corruption, and my world view changed entirely.

      One way of looking at it (reading the article you linked to) that there is a suspicious amount of evidence linking the murders to David.

      Almost as if they had made up their minds who had done it.

      • Lanthanide 5.2.1

        Yeah, insanity certainly comes to mind when reading that article. I never kept up with the minutia of the case so can’t really offer any opinion on that count.

      • Psycho Milt 5.2.2

        What I never understood was why David was found ‘guilty’, as opposed to ‘not guilty by reason of insanity’.

        Well, he never claimed insanity and no psychologists considered him insane, so what’s difficult to understand about it? Clayton Weatherston wasn’t found “not guilty by reason of insanity” either.

        …there is a suspicious amount of evidence linking the murders to David.

        Almost as if they had made up their minds who had done it.

        Or, almost as if he had done it.

      • ankerawshark 5.2.3

        To be found not guilty by reason of insanity a person needs to be actively psychotic, e.g believing that in David’s case his family were impostors out to cause grave harm to him and therefore laboring under this delusion shot them in self defence. Otherwise no matter how heinous the crime, people are responsible for their actions.

        My tuppence worth on David Bain. There is only one person who really knows what happened and that’s David. I am not an expert in the case, but have read quite a bit about it. I believe it is correct in that he is unable to prove his innocence unlike Pora or David Duoarty (mis-spell) sorry.

        There is quite a bit of compelling evidence David Bain could have done it.

        This is the first occasion I actually think the Nats have done the right thing (shock horror, but true). This case needs to be closed now.

  6. Ralf Crown 6

    “Not innocent beyond reasonable doubt” It is the first time ever I heard that. “Beyond reasonable doubt” is the strongest possible test on a possible guilty verdict. It has never been used in terms of innocent. Applying that test just about everyone accused of anything will be guilty by default. Everyone who passes the checkout in a supermarket is “Not innocent beyond reasonable doubt” in other words, guilty of shoplifting. Yet another blow for the credibility and trust of the New Zealand justice system and the trust in these clown called kiwis. The Chinese are fed up with the kangaroo system of New Zealand and want to get rid of the howlers from Downunder that can no longer be trusted.

    • Lanthanide 6.1

      “Not innocent beyond reasonable doubt” It is the first time ever I heard that. “Beyond reasonable doubt” is the strongest possible test on a possible guilty verdict. It has never been used in terms of innocent. Applying that test just about everyone accused of anything will be guilty by default.

      Best you learn the context of what is being spoken of then, eh?

      To be found guilty of a crime and CONVICTED, you must be found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

      To get COMPENSATION from the government for imprisonment, you must be found innocent beyond reasonable doubt for the crime you were convicted of.

      So you can avoid conviction by having “reasonable doubt”. But if there is “reasonable doubt”, you won’t get compensation from the government.

      Two separate (but related) judgements. Two different levels of certainty that must be met.

      This government is applying existing legislation.

      • weizguy 6.1.1

        Just to clarify – the compensation test is a Cabinet guideline. It’s not legislation.
        Secondly, the compensation test is on the “balance of probabilities” – the civil standard, which is harder for the accused.

        For the criminal offence, the crown needed to prove that Bain was guilty “beyond reasonable doubt”. For compensation, the reviewer needed to establish whether he was guilty “on the balance of probablities” i.e whether it was more likely that he was guilty.

        The first report found that he (on balance) didn’t commit the murders. The second found that he (on balance) did.

        • Lanthanide 6.1.1.1

          Thanks.

        • Chris 6.1.1.2

          Isn’t the test for compensation innocent on the balance of probabilities?

        • The Chairman 6.1.1.3

          Why does the compensation test work off the balance of probabilities? Surely its destine to result in inconsistencies in regard to court rulings based on the presumption of innocence?

    • Sacha 6.2

      Ralf, are we to take it that you are an official representative of ‘the Chinese’ whose views you seem so intimately acquainted with in nearly every recent comment you’ve made?

    • The Chinese are fed up with the kangaroo system of New Zealand…

      Bain’s Chinese now? When did that happen? And what the hell is “the kangaroo system of New Zealand?”

  7. Dave 7

    This government has to go

  8. Leftie 8

    Collins, judge feud over Bain

    ANDREA VANCE
    Last updated 05:00 13/12/2012

    The gloves are off in a bitter spat between Justice Minister Judith Collins and retired Canadian judge Ian Binnie over the David Bain compensation report.

    In a verbal sparring match one observer described as “unprecedented”, the pair publicly traded blows yesterday over what was in Mr Binnie’s September report on the compensation bid.

    He had concluded Mr Bain was innocent on the balance of probabilities of the murder of his parents, two sisters and brother in Dunedin in 1994.

    Ms Collins says Mr Binnie made “significant errors”, misinterpreted evidence and went “well beyond” his terms of reference. She has asked for his report to be peer-reviewed by New Zealand lawyer Robert Fisher, which she is due to receive today.

    She said Mr Binnie made assertions about witnesses in the report – and did not give them a chance to respond.

    “When it comes to Justice Binnie, I’m not at all impugning his integrity,” she insisted.

    Mr Binnie bit back at the criticism. In a press release issued from Switzerland yesterday morning, he accused Ms Collins of playing politics with the report.

    The respected international judge – who was paid about $400,000 by the Government for his work – said Mr Bain was entitled to see his findings.

    “It is a curious feature of this case that all of the ‘external’ judges who have looked at the record of the case have rejected the arguments of the solicitor-general and the Crown Law Office regarding David Bain’s guilt,” Mr Binnie said. In a stinging swipe at Ms Collins, he said it was improper for a client to publicly attack a lawyer’s advice.

    “I would expect that the minister, as a former Auckland tax lawyer, would be well aware of this principle.”

    Ms Collins used question time in Parliament to continue her critique of his work. She said he made errors about fingerprint evidence and was wrong to rely on elements of Mr Bain’s defence as fact.

    Within hours, Mr Binnie took to the airwaves to say “all I ask is that she stop talking about it”.

    “I was extremely surprised to hear her comments given that she insisted my report was confidential,” he told Radio New Zealand. “It’s catch-22.

    “She can apparently declare open season on the report and yet claim that I can’t release the report.”

    He said she waived privilege with her actions and it was unfair not to disclose his findings to Mr Bain when she had shown the report to Crown lawyers.

    But Mr Binnie said he would not release it. “I think she is wrong in doing what she has done . . . I’m not about to multiply the wrong.”

    Ms Collins also turned her wrath on Michael Reed, QC, Mr Bain’s lawyer, who said the minister just did not like what the report concluded.

    “Mr Reed is quite wrong. Mr Reed is, in fact, impugning my honesty, integrity.”

    He “should know better”, she said.

    The minister was likely to release both reports by the end of the week.

    “There is no point having a report with significant errors through it . . . that’s not going to help David Bain.”

    Mr Bain is seeking compensation for the almost 13 years he spent in jail after being convicted in May 1995. He was acquitted at a retrial in 2009 and could get about $2 million but the Government is not obliged to pay compensation.

    Otago University law professor Andrew Geddis said the David Bain case had captured the public attention – and any errors were bound to be seized on.

    “New Zealand seems to be a country of amateur Bain-ologists . . . the evidence is such a long and complicated trail spread over two trials, I wonder if it’s possible to write a report that gets everything spot-on.”

    Politicians had chosen to make the decision on compensation “a political call”.

    “That means the usual rules of respect between the judicial and the legal branch don’t really apply here so strongly,” Prof Geddis said.

    – The Dominion Post

    <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8072376/Collins-judge-feud-over-Bain

    • Jenny Kirk 8.1

      Does anyone know if Binnie’s report was ever released publicly ?

      • Leftie 8.1.1

        Hello Jenny Kirk,

        Report recommending Bain compensation is ‘flawed’

        By Audrey Young, APNZ staff

        7:54 PM Thursday Dec 13, 2012

        “Labour’s justice spokesman Charles Chauvel said the release of the reports today revealed the extent of Ms Collins “behind-the-scenes interference to try and undermine Justice Binnie’s report on the David Bain Case”.

        “Judith Collins has worked relentlessly since 26 September to pick holes in Justice Binnie’s reasoning. She has spent $100,000 of taxpayers’ funds on a nit-picking review of Justice Binnie’s report, which itself cost taxpayers over $400,000.

        “At the same time she was instructing Robert Fisher QC to critique Justice Binnie’s work on a far wider basis of criticism than she ever made clear to him.”

        Mr Chauvel said that in the documents released today, the criticisms of Justice Binnie’s work had been greatly overstated”

        <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10853771

        There is a link in PDF file format of Binnie’s report in the article.

        • Jenny Kirk 8.1.1.1

          Thanks, Leftie.

        • Chuck 8.1.1.2

          Binnie had one too many bourbons writing his report…

          “Mr Chauvel said that in the documents released today, the criticisms of Justice Binnie’s work had been greatly overstated”

          Taking Chauvel’s opposition tainted glasses off = “Binnie’s work was shit”.

      • Ross 8.1.2

        Yes, his report was released very quickly and was found by various experts to be flawed.

    • xanthe 8.2

      “Ms Collins says Mr Binnie made “significant errors”, misinterpreted evidence and went “well beyond” his terms of reference. She has asked for his report to be peer-reviewed by New Zealand lawyer Robert Fisher, which she is due to receive today”

      exactly the way they dealt with the eribus report (justice mahon) , an you know there are plenty here still arguing pilot error there.

      Spin Spin and more spin . What actually needs to happen is deal with the disfunctional police prosicutions department that is creating a trail of destruction as well as that they might sack a few judges for good measure (but I am sure they would sack the wrong ones so maby not)

  9. Patricia Duff 9

    Don’t blame the Government for this problem , blame the Minister, how many years has David been released, great laugh when we see the payout for Teina Pora I could make a few remarks but of dear less said the better ???

  10. Judith Collins has a lot to answer for.

    I’m going to need a shower after writing this, but we owe Judith Collins a debt of gratitude for sticking to her guns and rejecting the initial review. If she hadn’t, we’d have ended up handing Bain a lot more than $950,000 of our cash. I’d prefer it if we gave him nothing, but this is probably as good as we’re going to get.

  11. Xanthe 11

    You all are missing the point!
    The question is who then did kill david bains familiy.
    IMHO The answer will be found in the police
    Think about all that has gone before
    !

  12. One Anonymous Bloke 12

    On the one hand it’s bad luck for David Bain that unethical right wing trash have a say in his life.

    On the other hand it’s nice to see the government officially quantify Judith Collins’ blithering incompetence and vicious self-interest.

    • Chuck 12.1

      Meanwhile in the real world…

      Most NZ’ers see the Government making a sound call on ending this saga…no one wins, especially the slain members of the Bain family.

  13. Jack Ramaka 13

    Doesn’t give us much confidence in the Police, the Justice System or the Government, Judith finally got the answer she was looking for?

    • Halfcrow 13.1

      Yeah, reminds me of Justice Mahon findings on the Erebus “litany of lies” a result Muldoon did not expect and was pissed off with. Now this shower of shit has taken it to higher art form, keep on having enquiries until you arrive at one that’s your agenda

      • Halfcrow 13.1.1

        The last bit should have read, “until you arrive at one that suits your agenda”

  14. RedLogix 14

    A decision quite wonderful in it’s duplicity. Sir Humphrey would be proud!

  15. Xanthe 15

    But in the end we still dont know who dunnit. Despite various assertions made here its fairly clear it wasnt david so….. who was it?

    • Jenny Kirk 15.1

      The cops fudged the evidence, or neglected to store it safely, and then the house was burnt down. Seems to me that wasn’t totally coincidental ….. and it certainly stopped anyone -else from having a very good look at whatever it was that went on in that house, at that time. No chance for a re-investigation.

      • Xanthe 15.1.1

        It does make you wonder dosn’t it

      • Rosemary McDonald 15.1.2

        “…the house was burnt down. Seems to me that wasn’t totally coincidental ”

        According to Callinan, the Executors of the the Bain’s will had the place burned to the ground…within a fortnight of the murders and without any objection from officials.

        You’d think the Police would have put a stop to it…evidence and all that.

  16. Rodel 16

    Regardless of my ( and our) less than well informed opinions on Bain’s guilt or innocence, it is not good in a democracy that politicians like Collins, Adams and co. can effectively override the decisions of the court.
    Collin’s obvious but irrelevant belief that he is guilty should not be a factor. That;s why we have courts and a judicial system.
    Do we want John Key, Andrew Little or watsisname from ACT having a say in how the courts should should treat us or pedalling our case around tame overseas judges until they find one that concurs with their prejudices?

    Their behaviour is the thin edge that leads to dictatorial decision making- the sort of thing we might expect of Trump, Mugabe or perhaps Putin but they just don’t see it.

    • Rodel 16.1

      correction…’peddling’

    • … it is not good in a democracy that politicians like Collins, Adams and co. can effectively override the decisions of the court.

      What decision of a court have politicians over-ridden in this case? No court has expressed a view on whether Bain should get compensation or not.

  17. Venezia 17

    For once I agree with David Seymour. The government shopped around until they got a report consistent with their position – so they did not have to pay compensation. This case has been thoroughly politicised, the police role in the investigation was bungled/shoddy/ incompetent, politicians have gone well beyond their brief, and there are too many inconsistencies in the “evidence” to convict. David Bain was acquitted and should have been compensated for the 13 years he spent in prison.

    • Ross 17.1

      Nonsense. They got two reports. Binnie’s was a waste of money because he made fundamental mistakes. Various experts said so. I suggest you look at the evidence.

    • The government shopped around until they got a report consistent with their position – so they did not have to pay compensation.

      If that were actually the case (which, given that Binnie’s report ignored the main point in his brief, is by no means certain), it’s fair enough. Compensation is an ex gratia payment made at Cabinet’s discretion, so they don’t have to pay compensation if they don’t want to. It would have been more honest to just tell Bain up front that he should consider himself very lucky to have been found not guilty and there was no way the Crown was going to bung him a red cent, but Simon Power was a pretty odd minister.

  18. srylands 18

    “Judith Collins has a lot to answer for.”
    ____________

    How does this logic go? She saved taxpayers millions.

    Did you actually read the released report? It is compelling. Judith was dead right to reject the Binnie report.

    • Yes. Much as I dislike Collins, we would have had to front up a lot more than $900 Gs if she hadn’t had the bollocks to call Binnie’s report what it was, so for once she actually did more good than harm.

    • Xanthe 18.2

      Yes i have read the link you posted, There is nothing of substance in it. Dont you understand that both the glasses lens and the bloody fingerprints on the gun have been comprehensively discredited, pull yer head out of yer arse and get out more,

      • ankerawshark 18.2.1

        Hi Xanthe,

        Can you say a bit more about how the glass lens and bloody fingerprints have been discredited?

  19. righty right 19

    justice has been done there was overwhelming evidence only lefties would claim any nation of someone being innocent and trying to bring the government derision and police into question. nobody challenges this government and gets away with it we rule you don’t take that left wing scum

  20. Observer Tokoroa 20

    .
    .To Psycho Trolls

    . It interests me that you trolls are trashing the Privy Council and the NZ Justice System.

    . You are absolutely certain that David Bain committed the murders. Obviously you were present at the Bain home when David did it, for that is the only way you could know.

    You are so predictable. Your ability to make stuff up is a worry. You trash everyone who does not go along with National; Maori Party; and United Future.

    Do you think we all have to be as stupid and unsound as you Tory trolls?
    .

    • Colonial Viper 20.1

      If it’s between David Bain and his Dad having done the killings, odds are clearly on David being the perp.

  21. smilin 21

    No wonder the whole sorry saga of Bain and the murders has been a mess. Ever had to deal with the Dunedin CIB as an accused person in that era? Then you will know why it was a mess from the start .

  22. Brigid 22

    If would like David Bain to know I know he didn’t kill his family. That is unless, as someone has pointed out, he has magic feet.

  23. Tanz 23

    It’s not actually compensation all, which implies innocence, but an ‘ ex gratia’ or ‘go away’ payment, which the minister was quick to point out. The squeaky wheel got oiled, but not surprising by the ever progressive Nats. No one ever talks about the victims either, sadly, least of all Karam and co.

    • Ross 23.1

      When David Bain wrote an affidavit prior to Ian Binnie writing his report, it made for interesting reading.

      My personal possessions have not been returned to me. For example, I had a full diving kit (SCUBA tank, gear and wet suit), collection of books, clothes, sporting and camping gear, certificates of my academic and sporting achievements, videos of the shows I had taken part in and recordings of my singing. I have no idea where any of these items are and do not know what happened to them after my relatives took possession of the house and its contents. Nothing has ever been disclosed to me.

      The wrongful conviction of me in 1995 took away my inheritance. My Dad had a beautiful collection of string instruments and Mum had her pottery. These items are only a tiny amount of the items they collected during their lives and all have been lost to me. Further examples are Stephen’s trumpet and Arawa’s flute, a collection of opals from Australia, a collection of Royal Doulton pieces, artwork, books, music, the land and the house itself.

      On top of all this, Mum and Dad had amassed an impressive library of photos and videos documenting the m any years they had been together and our family growing up together. All of these items, while not having great monetary value, all have a far higher sentimental value to me as they were my family’s possessions and would have been the things I could have remembered them by. Now all I have are the few photos released by my relatives to the Court for Use during the 2009 retrial.

      When I was arrested in June 1994, I was at University studying for a degree in Music and Drama. I had a strong interest in singing. I had found this vocation to be of great interest and hoped to pursue either a performance based career or, with the strong teaching background of my family, a teaching position.

      I have been told that I had the potential to have a career as successful as the New Zealand opera singer Jonathan Lemalu. Mr Lemalu is now engaged two years in advance and is singing all over the world. In 1992, my singing teacher told me when I started lessons that I had a wonderful voice and that I could one day create a valuable career For myself.

      Since my arrest in June 1994, I have not taken part in any form of musical expression as the trauma of the events I experienced has taken the joy of music away from me. The wrongful conviction of me and the time I spent in prison meant that the life I was planning has gone out the window. I feel as though I lost the major earning years of my life.

      No self awareness whatsoever. And throughout his 8 page affidavit, not a single mention of what his parents and siblings meant to him. It’s all me, me, me, I could’ve been the next Pavarotti.

  24. Tanz 24

    Yes, he never ever mentions his family. It’s all me me me. Illusions of grandeur/narcissim? That Binnie report is ridiculous, ignoring nearly all the physical evidence. Good on Collins, she showed spine on this, I always thought the first jury got it right, and the privy council made a progressive, weak and pandering decision.

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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Britain’s climate tyranny was unlawful
    Last month, in response to a wave of protests by Extinction Rebellion, the British government purported to ban their protests from the whole of London. It was a significant interference with the freedoms of expression and assembly, and another sign of the country's decline into tyranny. But now, a court ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • More crime from the spies
    Last year, the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security reported on significant problems with the intelligence warrant system. While they were unwilling to declare any warrant "irregular" (meaning unlawful) due to the recent law change, they were also not willing to give the system a clean bill of health. Now, they've ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Vaccination, compulsion, and paternalism for the lower orders
    The National Party has come out in support of encouraging greater vaccination uptake. But it sure isn’t the way I’d do it. National’s suggested docking the benefits of those on benefit whose kids aren’t keeping up with their vaccinations. Some in National have suggested extending that to payments under Working ...
    SciBlogsBy Eric Crampton
    1 week ago
  • Global Protests Rage On: But Slogans Are Not Plans.
    Feeding The Flames: It is simply not enough to demand an end to “corruption”, or “inequality”, or the overbearing influence of the authorities in Beijing. These are just “lowest common denominator” demands: the sort of slogans that pull people onto the streets. They are not a plan.WHERE’S THE PLAN? Across ...
    1 week ago
  • 11,000 employed under Labour
    The labour market statistics have been released, and unemployment has risen to 4.2%. There are 115,000 unemployed - 11,000 fewer than when Labour took office. In that time the minimum wage has gone up by $2 an hour, which shows that the right's fears about increases causing unemployment are simply ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Boycott this democratic fraud
    The Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Committee has called for submissions on Andrew Little's tyrannical Terrorism Suppression (Control Orders) Bill. Normally I encourage participation in the democratic process. I am not doing so in this case. Instead, I encourage all of you to boycott this submissions process, and to post ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Why Mars is cold despite an atmosphere of mostly carbon dioxide
    Climate Explained is a collaboration between The Conversation, Stuff and the New Zealand Science Media Centre to answer your questions about climate change. If you have a question you’d like an expert to answer, please send it to climate.change@stuff.co.nz If tiny concentrations of carbon dioxide can hold enough heat ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Ban private jets
    Aviation is one of the fastest growing sources of greenhouse gas emissions, and within it, one of the fastest sources is elite travel: billionaires flitting around the world in their private jets, spewing excessive pollution into the atmosphere just so they can avoid mixing with us dirty peasants. But in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Untold Suffering
    That's what we face if we don't stop climate change, according to a warning from 11,000 scientists:The world’s people face “untold suffering due to the climate crisis” unless there are major transformations to global society, according to a stark warning from more than 11,000 scientists. “We declare clearly and unequivocally ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The left and violent misogyny
    by Phil Duncan Here’s just a few of the kind of threats issued day in and day out against gender-critical women – feminists, marxists, etc – overwhelmingly by MEN (albeit men identifying as women). “Kill all Terfs”. “Shoot a Terf today”. “All terfs deserve to be shot in the head”. ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Imperialism and the iPhone
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    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • The freshwater mussel housing crisis: eviction by invasive weeds?
    Tom Moore Traditionally a food source and cutting tool, freshwater mussels/kākahi are now widely valued as water filters that help clean our waterbodies and maintain ecosystem health throughout Aotearoa. The improvement they provide in water quality can make it easier for other animals to live in streams and rivers, as ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • Back it up Luxon: endorsing the destructive past is not actually the way forward
    And to think he gave all the potential goodwill away with that moronic, cult-like statement (repeated ad nauseam by many National hardliners) that Key is quite simply “the greatest PM we ever had”… Installation complete: this was nothing ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    1 week ago
  • Good riddance
    National MP and former Conservation Minister Maggie Barry will not seek re-election next year. Good riddance. Because in case anyone has forgotten, barry is a bullying thug who terrorised both public servants and fellow MPs. She is one of the people who makes Parliament a toxic workplace, and our country ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: D-Day
    The Zero Carbon Bill is back in the House today for its second reading. While this isn't the final stage, its still effectively D-Day for the bill. Because today, at around 5pm, is when we're going to find out if it has a majority, whether National will support it or ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Winston is right
    Winston Peters is in court today, suing a bunch of former Minister and civil servants over their pre-election leak of his superannuation repayment. He's characterised the leak as malicious, and said that it is repugnant that his information was passed on to Ministers to use for political advantage. And he's ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Media impartiality
    Sky's economics editor, Ed Conway has posted a Twitter thread responding to a claim that - as far as I can see - Labour never made:
    Are NHS operation cancellations at an all-time high? That's the impression you might have been left with if you read this story from the ...
    1 week ago
  • Finish what’s on your plate
    Murray Cox Do I have to finish my favourite genome? That’s an often-asked question. Geneticists generally strive to produce high-quality genomes that sequence every last gene, making full use of the state-of-the-art technologies coming on stream. Sequencing DNA means determining the order of the four chemical building blocks – called ...
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    1 week ago
  • Gainful Employment: A Cautionary Tale.
    Transformative Politics: The idea is to turn each recipient into an unwitting accomplice in their own transformation. From interested observer to hyped-up activist, sharing our messages promiscuously with ‘friends’. You’ll be part of an ever-expanding circulatory system, Jennifer, for the ideas that will win us the election.”JENNIFER SKITTERED her chair ...
    1 week ago
  • New Zealand should not fund bigotry
    Two years ago, the Cook Islands government announced that it was planning to join the civilised world and decriminalise consensual homosexual sex between men. Now, they've reversed their position, and decided to criminalise lesbians into the bargain:Two years ago, in a step welcomed by many people including the gay and ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • More tyranny in Australia
    The boycott is a fundamental tool of protest. By choosing who we buy from, we can send a message, and hopefully change corporate behaviour. Historically, boycotts have been effective, for example over apartheid in South Africa and Israel, in forcing divestment from Myanmar, and in ending bus segregation in the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Submission for rationality and science against the assaults of pre-modernism and post-modernism
    Jan Rivers spoke at the Abortion Legislation Select Committee in favour of the bill, but in opposition to calls from other submitters to exchange the word ‘woman’ for ‘person’ throughout the bill. Jan is a supporter of the feminist group Speak Up For Women and has recently written an excellent ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • My loyal readership of … Cam girls and Pornbots?
    I checked my traffic stats:I was intrigued by 'monica29' - who was this very dedicated individual?  I clicked on the link, to be greeted with ...Ho, hum.Spreadin' the word, spreadin' the word.  Doesn't matter who hears it, as long as it gets out there. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Worth repeating forever
    There have been three polls since the election was announced, and I will shamelessly steal YouGov / UK Polling Report's Anthony Wells' summary of them:Survation – CON 34%, LAB 26%, LDEM 19%, BREX 12%, GRN 1% Ipsos MORI – CON 41%, LAB 24%, LDEM 20%, BREX 7%, GRN 3% YouGov ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Lutte Ouvriere on the explosion in Chile
    The following article is translated from Lutte Ouvrière, the weekly newspaper of the organisation usually known by the same name in France. When, for the second time this year, Chilean President Piñera announced an increase in the price of Metro tickets from 800 to 830 pesos, students in the high ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Wage theft – I’m fucking over it.
    Today, a worker contacted me asking if she could go to the police over her employer stealing thousands of dollars from her in unpaid wages. The employer also did not pay this worker’s taxes or student loan which amounts to tax fraud. As a workers rights activist, who founded the ...
    PosseBy chloeanneking
    2 weeks ago
  • On The Rebound.
    Signed, Sealed, Delivered, They're Yours: Is there any person more vulnerable than a jilted lover on the rebound? Or, anything more certain than that the charmer, the predator, the glib spinner of lies and promises will seek such broken people out? Yes, of course, he will love every one of ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Rabbi urges congregation to vote against Corbyn
    Though Jonathan Romain is a fairly high profile Rabbi, writing in several papers and popping up on TV and the radio, this story doesn't seem to have made it to the Guardian yet, so I'll take the unusual step of linking the Stephen Pollard edited Jewish Chronicle:Rabbi Dr Jonathan Romain ...
    2 weeks ago
  • My absurdly optimistic prediction
    There's an election afoot, and that is when noted opinion formers such as myself get to make wild fools of ourselves by pretending we have the faintest idea what will happen.So, here is my absurdly optimistic prediction:Labour - 285Conservative - 262SNP - 53Lib Dems - 20PC - 5Ireland - 18 ...
    2 weeks ago
  • October ’19 – NZ blogs sitemeter ranking
    Image Credit: Increase Social Media Traffic & Website Traffic I notice a few regulars no longer allow public access to the site counters. This may happen accidentally when the blog format is altered. If your ...
    2 weeks ago
  • A mountain of a challenge in banning glyphosate
    Belinda Cridge I was reading my son a story last night. A great tale of derring-do of five mountaineers scaling the Matterhorn for the first time. One in the party had tried six times previously and failed, this was the last attempt before winter closed another season. They tried a ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago

  • Kiwis to have their say on End of Life Choice
    Jenny Marcroft MP, Spokesperson for Health New Zealand First backs the public to decide on the End of Life Choice Bill via a referendum at the 2020 General Election. The Bill, with New Zealand First’s referendum provision incorporated, passed its final reading in Parliament this evening. New Zealand First Spokesperson for ...
    16 hours ago
  • Addressing miscarriages of justice
    Darroch Ball, Spokesperson for Justice New Zealand First is proud that a key Coalition Agreement commitment which will provide for a more transparent and effective criminal justice system has been realised. Legislation to establish the Criminal Cases Review Commission, an independent body focused on identifying and responding to possible miscarriages of ...
    2 days ago
  • Week That Was: Historic action on climate change
    "Today we have made a choice that will leave a legacy... I hope that means that future generations will see that we, in New Zealand, were on the right side of history." - Jacinda Ardern, Third Reading of the Zero Carbon Bill ...
    6 days ago
  • Tax-free deployments for Kiwi troops
    Darroch Ball, New Zealand First List MP A Member’s bill has been proposed that would provide income tax exemptions for all New Zealand Defence Force (NZDF) personnel while on operational deployment overseas. The Income Tax (Exemption for Salary or Wages of NZDF Members on Active Deployment) Amendment Bill proposed by New Zealand First ...
    7 days ago
  • A balanced Zero Carbon Bill passed
    Rt Hon Winston Peters, New Zealand First Leader New Zealand First is proud to have brought common sense to the Climate Change Response (Zero Carbon) Amendment Bill, which passed its final reading in Parliament today. Party Leader Rt Hon Winston Peters says months of hard work went into negotiating a balanced ...
    1 week ago
  • Paramedics’ status to be recognised
    Jenny Marcroft MP, Spokesperson for Health New Zealand First has listened to calls to recognise paramedics as registered health professionals under the Health Practitioners’ Competence Assurance Act (the Act). Today, the Coalition Government announced plans for paramedics to be registered as health practitioners under the Act, and the establishment of a ...
    1 week ago
  • Week That Was: 2,000 teachers in two years
    We began the week by commemorating the New Zealand Wars and celebrating a major increase in the number of teachers. Then, we were busy supporting offenders into work and getting our rail back on track after years of underinvestment. And that's just the start! ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Winning an election one conversation at a time
    In October I was sworn in as the Mayor of Lower Hutt. It’s the privilege of my life to serve Hutt people as their Mayor. There is something really special to be able to serve the community where I was raised, and where I live.   ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Closer cooperation with Korean horse racing industry
    Rt Hon Winston Peters, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister for Racing Racing Minister Winston Peters met with Korea Racing Authority Chairperson Nak Soon Kim in Seoul today to discuss closer cooperation between the New Zealand and Korean horse racing industries. As part of the visit to the Seoul Racecourse, Mr Peters witnessed ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Otago to lead digital creativity
    Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) is investing $10 million to establish Otago as the centre of New Zealand’s creative digital industry over the next ten years, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones announced today. “The initiative will bring us closer to the vision of ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Young Otago students encouraged to take on forestry careers
    Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF)’s skills and employment programme will help young Otago people into long-term forestry careers, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones announced today. Te Ara Mahi will invest $63,000 in the 2020 school year to support eight 17 and 18 ...
    2 weeks ago
  • PGF backing Dunedin’s waterfront ambitions
    Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) will support local plans to revitalise and stimulate economic development opportunities in Otago, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones has announced. The four Regional Economic Development Ministers have approved an in-principle investment of $19.9 million towards the region’s ...
    2 weeks ago
  • M. Bovis eradication progress welcomed
    Mark Patterson, Spokesperson for Primary Industries New Zealand First is pleased to have received the Technical Advisory Group (TAG) report on the Coalition Government’s Mycoplasma bovis eradication efforts, which shows significant progress in the fight against the disease. New Zealand First Spokesperson for Primary Industries, Mark Patterson, says the report’s findings ...
    2 weeks ago
  • PGF boosts Otago’s engineering and manufacturing sector
    Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development Hon David Parker, Minister for Trade and Export Growth The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) is investing to support economic growth opportunities for Otago’s engineering and manufacturing sectors, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones and Trade and Export Minister David Parker announced today. Almost $20 million ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Minister Peters discusses Pacific challenges and denuclearisation in Seoul
    Rt Hon Winston Peters, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Foreign Affairs Foreign Minister Winston Peters and his South Korean counterpart, Kang Kyung-wha, discussed in Seoul today opportunities to work more closely in the Pacific and the situation on the Korean Peninsula. Mr Peters and Minister Kang confirmed New Zealand and the ...
    2 weeks ago
  • PGF supports high speed broadband for marae at Parihaka Pa
    Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development  Hon Nanaia Mahuta, Minister for Māori Development The three marae in the historic Parihaka Pa complex in Taranaki have been upgraded to high speed broadband with the support of the Provincial Growth Fund (PGF), Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones announced today. “Connecting the ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Advancing Pacific Partnerships 2019 launched
    Hon Ron Mark, Minister of Defence Minister of Defence Ron Mark will today launch the Advancing Pacific Partnerships 2019 Defence Assessment  during a speech at Te Papa.  The Assessment outlines how Defence will partner with our Pacific Island neighbours and invest in Pacific regional security architecture. The Plan aligns with the Coalition ...
    2 weeks ago
  • PGF funding could transform Gisborne company into “beacon of employment” in two years
    A new Provincial Growth Fund investment could create about 80 new jobs in Gisborne over the next two years, turning a local small business into a “beacon of employment” in the process. Regional Economic Development Parliamentary Under-Secretary Fletcher Tabuteau said the PGF’s Te Ara Mahi funding stream would provide $1.6m ...
    2 weeks ago

  • Disability Action Plan 2019 – 2023
    “The new Disability Action Plan 2019–2023 moves us towards the inclusive and accessible New Zealand that this government has committed to,” Minister for Disability Issues Carmel Sepuloni announced today.  “The Action Plan was designed by disabled people, their family and supporters, the disability sector and government agencies. It will ensure ...
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    6 hours ago
  • Joint Statement – Third Singapore-New Zealand Defence Ministers’ Meeting
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    8 hours ago
  • Sexual Violence Legislation Bill has its first reading
    A Bill to improve the court system’s response to sexual violence has passed its first reading in Parliament today. Justice Minister Andrew Little says the Sexual Violence Legislation Bill will reduce the trauma sexual violence complainants experience in court, while maintaining defendants’ fundamental rights and making sure the trial process ...
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    8 hours ago
  • Streamlined business invoicing a step closer
    Streamlined payment practices are a step closer for Kiwi businesses with the formal launch of New Zealand’s e-Invoicing framework. Small Business Minister Stuart Nash says the government has now established the structure to enable automated and direct data exchange between the accounting systems of buyers and sellers. “The move to ...
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    8 hours ago
  • More frontline biosecurity officers protecting NZ
    Another 51 quarantine officers and four new biosecurity detector dog teams will help protect New Zealand from invasive pests and diseases this summer, says Biosecurity Minister Damien O’Connor. “The Government is delivering on its commitment to strengthen New Zealand’s biosecurity system and support our valuable primary sector “New Zealand’s flora, fauna ...
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    9 hours ago
  • NZ space economy worth $1.69 billion
    A new report has found New Zealand’s space sector contributed $1.69 billion to the economy in the last financial year and employs 12,000 people, Minister for Economic Development Phil Twyford announced today. The report by Deloitte was commissioned by the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment and shows New Zealand ...
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    9 hours ago
  • New Chair for Royal Commission into Abuse
    Judge Coral Shaw has been appointed as the new Chair of the Royal Commission into Historical Abuse in State Care and in the Care of Faith-based Institutions, Internal Affairs Minister Tracey Martin announced today. "Judge Shaw, who is currently one of the inquiry commissioners, is extremely well qualified for the ...
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    13 hours ago
  • Better mental health facilities for Palmerston North
    The Government has confirmed its third major mental health facility upgrade since the Budget, this time at Palmerston North Hospital. The Prime Minister and Health Minister today visited MidCentral DHB to announce that $30 million has been allocated to upgrade its acute mental health facility. It follows earlier announcements in ...
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    14 hours ago
  • Bowel Screening hits halfway point
    The roll out of the National Bowel Screening Programme has reached the halfway mark, with 10 out of 20 District Health Boards now part of the programme. MidCentral DHB, which covers Palmerston North, Manawatu and surrounding districts, this week became the latest to DHB to offer free bowel screening to ...
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    16 hours ago
  • More vaccines for meningococcal disease
    The Government welcomes PHARMAC’s decision to fund a vaccine to protect young people from meningococcal disease from 1 December this year. “Meningococcal disease is a serious threat which people at higher risk should be protected from,” says Associate Health Minister Julie Anne Genter. “The combined pharmaceutical budget was increased by ...
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    16 hours ago
  • Fisheries innovation projects supported
    Groups involved with innovative fisheries research projects are encouraged to apply for government support in the latest funding round from the Sustainable Food and Fibre Futures programme. Fisheries Minister Stuart Nash says the SFF Futures funding is designed to be flexible enough to support small or large projects across a ...
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    1 day ago
  • Government fixes culturally arranged marriage visa issue
    The Government has fixed an issue affecting how Immigration New Zealand has processed visa applications for culturally arranged marriages, which will now see a consistent process applied which ensures people with legitimate arranged marriages can visit New Zealand while also preventing any rorting of the system. Earlier this year Immigration ...
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    1 day ago
  • Extension for Royal Commission into Mosque attacks
    The Royal Commission into the Attacks on Christchurch Mosques will report back on 30 April 2020 to give it more time to hear submissions and consider information, Internal Affairs Minister Tracey Martin announced today. The Royal Commission was originally scheduled to report back to Government by 10 December 2019. “There has ...
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    2 days ago
  • Terrorism and Trade on agenda as Foreign Minister visits the United States
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters will travel to Washington DC today to attend a ministerial meeting focused on defeating ISIS, and to continue pursuing New Zealand’s trade opportunities. Mr Peters will participate in a meeting of Foreign and Defence Ministers from key countries contributing to the Global Coalition to Defeat ISIS. ...
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    2 days ago
  • Hoiho get extra support alongside 168 community conservation groups backing nature
    The recently crowned Bird of the Year, the hoiho/yellow eyed penguin, is getting a much needed helping hand alongside more than 168 other community conservation projects announced Minister for Conservation Eugenie Sage today. 168 community conservation projects throughout New Zealand are benefiting from $8 million in government grants, including $500,000 ...
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    2 days ago
  • New safety measures for modified pistols
    Controls on assault rifles and semi-automatic firearms are to be broadened to include some types of pistols, under changes to a bill currently making its way through Parliament. Police Minister Stuart Nash has tabled a Supplementary Order Paper to the Arms Legislation Bill, which is currently before a Select Committee ...
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    2 days ago
  • Minister of Defence to visit Singapore and Thailand
    Minister of Defence Ron Mark will travel to Singapore today to conduct a counterpart visit and to co-chair the third annual Singapore-New Zealand Defence Ministers’ Meeting with his counterpart, Minister for Defence Dr Ng Eng Hen. “Singapore is one of our most important defence partners in the region, and our ...
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    2 days ago
  • Future secured for Salisbury School
    Nelson’s Salisbury School is to be rebuilt, creating a modern and suitable learning environment for students at the residential special school, Education Minister Chris Hipkins and Associate Education Minister Tracey Martin announced today. The school for girls aged 8-15, in Richmond, was earmarked for closure by National until the process ...
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    2 days ago
  • Resource management reform options released
    The panel undertaking a comprehensive review of the Resource Management Act has identified the main issues to be addressed and options for reform and is calling for feedback to inform its final report.  In July the Government announced the comprehensive review of the resource management system, including the RMA - ...
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    2 days ago
  • Criminal Cases Review Commission established
    An important safety valve has been added to New Zealand’s criminal justice system with the third reading of the Criminal Cases Review Commission Bill today. The Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) will investigate claimed miscarriages of justice. “We’ve seen how our justice system can very occasionally get things spectacularly wrong, ...
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    2 days ago
  • Racing Industry destined to be on-track
    Racing Minister Winston Peters welcomes the tabling of the Racing Industry Transition Agency (RITA) 2019 Annual Report in Parliament today. He says the 2019 Annual Report marks the point when New Zealand’s racing industry’s decline was arrested and a turnaround started. RITA’s 2019 Annual Report recorded an industry net profit ...
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    2 days ago
  • New Zealand firefighter support to Queensland
    The New Zealand Government is today sending 21 firefighters to help fight the ongoing catastrophic Australian bushfires. “The fires in Australia are in some of the toughest, most challenging conditions ever,” says Internal Affairs Minister Tracey Martin.  “As of yesterday morning, there were 100 active bushfire-related incidents across Queensland and ...
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    3 days ago
  • Supporting all schools to succeed
      More frontline support for schools through a new education agency, as part of a redesigned Ministry of Education More support for principals and school boards including through a new centre of leadership and local leadership advisor roles New independent disputes panels for parents and students Management of school property ...
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    3 days ago
  • Reform to support better outcomes for Māori learners and whānau
    The Government’s reform of the Tomorrow’s Schools system is a watershed moment in education and an opportunity to create meaningful change for ākonga Māori and their whānau, Associate Education Minister Kelvin Davis said today. “Last year through Kōrero Mātauranga | Education Conversation, Māori teachers, parents, ākonga, whānau, hapū and iwi ...
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    3 days ago
  • Infrastructure pipeline growing
    Infrastructure Minister is welcoming the first of many updated project pipelines from the newly established New Zealand Infrastructure Commission today. The New Zealand Infrastructure Commission, Te Waihanga, has released an expanded pipeline of major capital projects – another crucial step towards delivering better infrastructure outcomes. “The first iteration of the ...
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    3 days ago
  • Tighter firearms law to further improve safety
    Tougher gun laws designed to improve public safety through firearms prohibition orders are proposed in a new document released for public input. Police Minister Stuart Nash says firearms prohibition orders (FPOs) would give new powers to Police to ensure high-risk individuals come nowhere near firearms. “We have already prohibited the ...
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    3 days ago
  • New TVNZ chair & directors confirmed
    Andy Coupe has been confirmed as TVNZ’s new Board Chair. “Mr Coupe has strong commercial and capital markets experience and TVNZ has benefited from his technical knowledge of business and finance, as well as his extensive governance experience,” the Minister of Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media Kris Faafoi said.  Andy ...
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    3 days ago
  • Hutt Road cycle path officially opened
    Associate Minister of Transport Julie Anne Genter today officially opened a separated pathway, following the completion of the Kaiwharawhara Stream bridge, which will improve safety for cyclists and pedestrians along Hutt Road.  The $6.8m Hutt Road project provides a separated path for cycling and pedestrians, the replacement of informal parking ...
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    4 days ago
  • Announcement of new Ambassador to Russia
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters today announced the appointment of career diplomat Si’alei van Toor as New Zealand’s next Ambassador to Russia. “I’m pleased to appoint Ms van Toor to this position. She brings a wealth of experience to the role having previously served as Senior Trade Adviser to the ...
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    6 days ago
  • Half Year Economic and Fiscal Update
    The Treasury’s 2019 Half Year Economic and Fiscal Update (HYEFU) will be released on Wednesday December 11, Finance Minister Grant Robertson says. The Coalition Government will publish the 2020 Budget Policy Statement at the same time, outlining the priorities for Budget 2020. Further details on arrangements for the release will ...
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    7 days ago
  • Giving a Boost to Kiwi small businesses
    A new initiative to better support small businesses through hands-on mentoring and advice has been launched by the Minister for Small Business. The first event in the Kiwi Business Boost series of regional workshops and online tools has been launched in Wairoa by Stuart Nash. “The Business Boost initiative combines ...
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    7 days ago
  • Nearly three quarters of Rolleston connected to UFB
    The latest Quarterly Connectivity Report shows that more and more New Zealanders are moving to Ultra-fast Broadband (UFB), with Rolleston having the highest uptake at 74 per cent, as at the end of September. “This means that nearly three quarters of Rolleston’s households and businesses have moved to ultra-fast services. ...
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    7 days ago
  • Historic day for landmark climate change legislation in New Zealand
    The passing of the Climate Change Response (Zero Carbon) Amendment Bill will help ensure a safe planet for our kids and grandkids, the Minister for Climate Change James Shaw said today. The landmark legislation which provides a framework to support New Zealanders to prepare for, and adapt to, the effects ...
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    1 week ago
  • Release of Oranga Tamariki Practice Review
    The review of Oranga Tamariki practice around the planned uplift of a Hastings baby in May shows significant failings by the Ministry and that the planned and funded changes to shift from a child crisis service to a proper care and protection service need to be accelerated, Children’s Minister Tracey ...
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    1 week ago
  • Minister wishes students success in exams
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