Cam Slater: politely being called a lying arsehole

Written By: lprent - Date published: 2:28 am, October 22nd, 2013 - 130 comments
Categories: blogs - Tags: cameron slater, hamish price, john palino, John Slater, whaleoil

I’ve been trying to think of a way of expressing my complete and utter distaste for the arsehole of the local blogs and politics. But someone beat me to it. Hamish Price has been attacked in the usual way by Cameron Slater. I’d guess it is because he doesn’t want to play politics in the dirty and disgusting way that Cam thinks it should be played. Here is his facebook statement in response to something I haven’t seen in the sewer.

This rings quite true to me from what I know of the people and timelines. In fact I’d say that it is one of the few truthful statements made in this sorry saga. It has been evident for some time that the amount of deliberate lying by the Palino team is approaching critical mass proportions. Cameron Slater of course would refuse to acknowledge The Truth is the last news spike from that sad rag penetrated to the peanut that he uses in his occasional excursions to rational thought.

But have fun reading this…. I know I did. I even altered the banner to paraphrase a Pratchett joke while I was waiting for a server upgrade.

Hamish Price gets a bit testy with both Slaters and John Palino.

Just as a counterpoint to Cameron Slater’s statement over the weekend on The Nation where he said

Slater: Well, Auckland politics is like where any politics is, in that it’s a dirty, disgusting, despicable game. And it involves dirty, disgusting despicable people at all levels. And to have this sort of high and mighty belief that New Zealand politics is clean, isn’t.

Only a complete political dickhead would think that. It speaks of the approach of an amateur who is too busy grasping at small victories to seek the larger ones. Politics is almost invariably a generational process when the political system is operating reasonably well and the political and economic changes aren’t jammed up. If the political system is doing its job then revolutionary changes are not required and the grubby style of politics that attracts scavenging maggots like Cameron Slater isn’t used much.

Chasing the dirt on people in the way that Cameron Slater does simply builds up a wellspring of distrust. But politics and political change depends on a level of mutual respect and trust between people, if only so the changes that are brought in aren’t summarily chucked out by the other side as soon as they get a chance. You don’t have to look far to see this amongst politicians and activists. Looking at the videos of Mapp and Kelsey last week arguing about the TPPA is a pretty good demonstration of the way that politics actually works.

In my experience it is only the politically toxic and ineffective who think as Cameron thinks if only because they can’t work with others in anything more than a scavenger pack mode fighting over left-over offal and other peoples misery. Such hyenas become permanently politically toxic and slowly sidelined by those of us who have to work in the real worlds of business and politics. Even as rampant an individualistic and abrasive eccentric as I have been for most of my life recognises that.

But more importantly you don’t get things actually being done if you act like the moronic dickhead with a head trauma like Cameron has been doing for many years. Trying to shift things by fear may be all that the fool knows. But it isn’t effective in shifting the culture. For that you have to carry people with you. And the noisy but small minority that carefully cluster behind Cameron are neither smart enough nor socially aware enough to do anything of value for anyone else. They’re just parasites of society.

But of course there are many countries where toxic politics are the norm, mainly because they have rather bankrupted both their political and economic systems. The USA and Italy come to mind. As well as the refugees from those countries (it is noticeable the number of Americans we’re seeing moving here at present) we also seen some of the dregs and their tactics…

But if politically toxic is where Cam has finally made it to, he has dragged or been dragged by Cook, Palino, Wewege, and probably others.

My main interest is he has succeeded in making me lose a bet I made back in 2008. He should have held out for another two years. I figured that he’d be useful to someone in National’s internal factionalism after the next election. But he was never particularly patient. As has been shown by the incompetence of this particular bit of political threatre. Imagine what someone like Winston Peters could have done with it drawing out the pain. But of course Winston isn’t a complete arsehole like Cameron, so he’d never have done shat on peoples lives for such a petty matter anyway.

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Gruntie 1

22 October 2013 at 6:14 am

Why doesn’t someone sue Whale Fat for slander – I’m willing to donate $100 to the legal fund
- chris73 1.1
  
  22 October 2013 at 7:23 am
  
  Possibly because everyone involved knows you’d then have to prove it in court? Much cheaper and less burden of proof to stick to the court of popular opinion I’m guessing…
  - karol 1.1.1
    
    22 October 2013 at 7:44 am
    
    So it’s just the costs that are causing people to sit on some details in a Chuang affadavit? Russel Brown:
    
    I have a copy of the second Chuang affadavit, the one that seems to land John Palino squarely in the middle of the plot. There’s more in it than has been reported so far, which I suspect is partly because she directly attributes words to both Slater and Palino that could constitute grounds for a criminal prosecution. They have both denied its contents. Stephen Cook’s she-was-totally-up-for-it version of his interactions with Chuang is contradicted by her account of him demanding to know only the most salacious detals: how was Brown in bed? What’s his penis size? Journalists have been left with a situation in which no one can truly be regarded as reliable witness.
    
    Or maybe it’s just that it will take more time checking out all the contradictory stories?
    
    There does seem to be grounds for a prosecution, especially with what Price has posted publicly. Price will know what hes doing, and he is pointing out to Slater et all, that he knows a lot of details that would damn them in a court of law.
    - mickysavage 1.1.1.1
      
      22 October 2013 at 8:21 am
      
      Yep I have seen the affidavit. The B word is mentioned a couple of times. The Herald was not prepared to repeat this but the SST did in its editorial on Sunday which I can’t find on line.
      - karol 1.1.1.1.1
        
        22 October 2013 at 9:28 am
        
        Thanks for the tip, micky. Just read the SST editorial on Press display. Extracts:
        
        His wife and children may disagree but right now the only person in the Len Brown imbroglio who seems trustworthy is Len Brown.
        […]
        The new text messages released by Stephen Cook , who broke the story, indicate that Chuang was part of a plan to bring down Brown, to smear him enough to make him unelectable.
        
        The roles played in this by Auckland mayoral contender John Palino, his campaign manager john Slater, Slater’s son Cameron, Palino campaign team member Luigi Wewege (allegedly Chuang’s other lover) and Chuang herself seem, on the surface, to be far more worthy of investigation than where and when Brown and Chuang had sex or what sort of underwear Brown bought his mistress. The Palino Camp’s orchestrated campaign was designed to force Brown to quit the mayoralty but Brown called his bluff, confessed to his wife, and stayed on.
        […]
        
        Those manipulating and encouraging Chuang to dish dirt on Brown should exit politics in disgrace as their tactics are effectively blackmail.
        […]
        
        The whole thing is like a plot from a movie about ham-fisted conspirators with half a plan and no idea of how to carry it out.
        
        – Sunday Star Times editorial, 20 Oct 2013, p A15
        
        tinfoilhat 1.1.1.1.1.1
        
        22 October 2013 at 9:49 am
        
        “His wife and children may disagree but right now the only person in the Len Brown imbroglio who seems trustworthy is Len Brown”
        
        Really ? Is Len Brown ghost writing for the Sunday Star Times ?
        
        Facts are Len brown behaved abominably and looks like he’ll stay on as auckland mayor regardless of his behaviour hopefully he’ll be kicked out next time round and we’ll have a credible and respectable left wing candidate voted in.
        
        All the other characters are a sideshow and the blog and political war of personalities seems to be a case of multiple pots calling each other various shades of black a pox on all their houses.
        
        Draco T Bastard …
        
        22 October 2013 at 11:53 am
        
        Facts are Len brown behaved abominably
        
        That’s not a fact, just your opinion and one backed up more, IMO, by you hatred of Brown than anything else.
        
        All the other characters are a sideshow
        Nope, the other actors have proven themselves completely untrustworthy by their actions and lies.
        
        greywarbler …
        
        22 October 2013 at 1:20 pm
        
        All the other characters are a sideshow and the blog and political war of personalities seems to be a case of multiple pots calling each other various shades of black a pox on all their houses.
        
        It’s a Punch and Judy show folks. The traditional sideshow complete with a Policeman with a very long truncheon to give good measure.
        ‘Now clear the way people, return to your homes, nothing to see here.’
        
        tinfoilhat …
        
        22 October 2013 at 4:41 pm
        
        “That’s not a fact, just your opinion and one backed up more, IMO, by you hatred of Brown than anything else.”
        
        I had reflected on the whether it was the behaviour or the person that was affecting my opinion and thought whether my opinion would change if the behaviour was attached to my political preference and I can assure you it would not.
        
        Hanswurst …
        
        22 October 2013 at 12:46 pm
        
        I disagree. Neither do I see Len Brown as a particularly left-wing candidate, nor do I see how an extramarital affair affects his ability to be mayor. Similarly, if such a fate had befallen a more decidedly right-wing candidate such as John Banks or Christine Fletcher, I’d have been vocally opposing their policies while resoundingly failing to give a shit where or with whom they slept.
        
        tinfoilhat …
        
        22 October 2013 at 4:45 pm
        
        “Neither do I see Len Brown as a particularly left-wing candidate”
        
        Oh I agree completely he’s more to the right than the left and will change his story depending on which groups he’s talking to.
        
        I also agree that an extramarital affair in and of itself is not of itself a hangable offence but having conducted it on council premises and time is very poor and the possibility of further impropriety/favourtism in terms of freebies and favours is very bad.
        
        Rhinocrates 1.1.1.1.1.2
        
        22 October 2013 at 9:50 am
        
        “It was worse than a crime; it was a blunder.”
        
        And for historical pedants (like me):
        
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Antoine,_Duke_of_Enghien
        
        [On Napoleon’s execution of duc d’Enghien] Either Antoine Boulay de la Meurthe[3] (deputy from Meurthe in the Corps législatif) or Napoleon’s chief of police, Joseph Fouché,[4] said about his execution “C’est pire qu’un crime, c’est une faute”, a statement often rendered in English as “It was worse than a crime; it was a blunder.” The statement is also sometimes attributed to French diplomat Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord. Sometimes the quote is given as, “It was worse than a crime; it was a mistake.”
- ghostwhowalksnz 1.2
  
  22 October 2013 at 7:33 am
  
  He has no assets ?
  - CnrJoe 1.2.1
    
    22 October 2013 at 8:27 am
    
    whats his bog worth? He could sell some of his organs – cut down to size ha ha!
    - The Al1en 1.2.1.1
      
      22 October 2013 at 8:36 am
      
      Maybe if Mark Lundy retrains as a surgeon
      - Rogue Trooper 1.2.1.1.1
        
        22 October 2013 at 10:49 am
        
        that’s a hatchet-job
    - Jay 1.2.1.2
      
      22 October 2013 at 3:45 pm
      
      Do you think we could stick to having a debate about this without descending to this kind of petty comment? It is highly unimaginative, but worse, it is fatphobic. The size of his body has nothing to do with this.
      - The Al1en 1.2.1.2.1
        
        22 October 2013 at 7:10 pm
        
        Fat phobic, now that just takes the cake, the biscuits, and a mars bar.
        
        QoT 1.2.1.2.1.1
        
        22 October 2013 at 10:32 pm
        
        I know it’s scary to learn a new word, Al1en.
        http://yrwelcome.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/breaking-down-fatphobia/
        
        The Al1en …
        
        22 October 2013 at 10:46 pm
        
        Are you, in your lovely way, trying to say I’m being fat phobic, stupid or both?
        Because if I’m fat, which I might well be, that would nullify one point, you know, like a black man can’t be racist to a brother etc…
        And if you’re lauding a higher intelligence because you think I’m thick, which I also might well be, wouldn’t that make you all the worse for mocking me?
        
        😆
- AsleepWhileWalking 1.3
  
  22 October 2013 at 7:44 am
  
  I’ll donate! If nothing else I’m sure I’ll get my monies worth through entertainment value alone.
- Murray Olsen 1.4
  
  22 October 2013 at 8:38 pm
  
  Probably because he’s got no worthwhile income and would have all his assets protected in some sort of trusts. The case would be easy to prove, but collecting on any judgment would be difficult.
  
  What would be more interesting would be to take him to court with a view to seeking a penalty along the lines of what was served up to Derryn Hinch. He was banned from accessing the internet for a period. Now, if someone can come up with a plan with a reasonable chance of success to achieve that, I’d certainly help with funding it.
tc 2

22 October 2013 at 6:42 am

Good points and yet again the hollowmen show the depth of talent they draw on to get what they want.

Slater, banks etc were all needed at some point but unlike the likes of farrar who keeps his cool and doesnt bite the hand that feeds whereas cameron needs help/therapy on a few fronts.
geoff 3

22 October 2013 at 7:19 am

Wow, the National Party is imploding.
- Paul 3.1
  
  22 October 2013 at 7:33 am
  
  Now which party looks unfit to govern????
Tracey 4

22 October 2013 at 7:32 am

I posted last week on narcissistic personality. Slater fits so many traits. I have always struggled to understand how someone with a mental illness expects to find health and peace embroiling themselves in a hate filled vitiolic site like wo and the vengeful way he pursues his ideology.

brett dale disputes he is narcissistic. I stand by it. His use and abuse of people to achieve his own engrandisement shows little or no empathy.
- Rhinocrates 4.1
  
  22 October 2013 at 9:40 am
  
  I could recommend a psychiatrist. Unfortunately he lives in Baltimore but he does throw excellent dinner parties.
  - greywarbler 4.1.1
    
    22 October 2013 at 1:14 pm
    
    Rh
    As far as NZ? When and where so I can be ready with my gourmet net.
- repateet 4.2
  
  22 October 2013 at 10:15 am
  
  re “shows little or no empathy.”
  
  I attended a most enlightening session about the autism spectrum. I am sometimes reminded of things I heard there when I see Cameron Slater talking and responding to questions and relate them to people I have been in contact with who fit the autism profiles. I don’t know about narcissism but another commentator said Slater was a sociopath. Slater’s writings might give an indication as to the accuracy of that.
  - Rhinocrates 4.2.1
    
    22 October 2013 at 12:12 pm
    
    My comment above was a dark joke, no more. A chocolate fish for those who get the reference (OK… Hannibal Lecter eats the rude).
    
    I attended a most enlightening session about the autism spectrum. I am sometimes reminded of things
    
    Beware confirmation bias.
    
    As someone with autism and an anxiety disorder, I really get disturbed by amateur medical diagnoses AND the branding that goes with it.
    
    Simon Baron-Cohen, director of the Cambridge Autism Research Centre has often noted in interviews that autists are almost always very moral people. My own experience is that I’m awkward in reading cues in real time, but people credit me with very high emotional intelligence – it’s just that the inputs are SO overwhelming (stick your head inside a pinball machine and you’ll get the idea), that as a survival mechanism I have to erect layers of filtering and rules to get by (hence Baron-Cohen’s comment about morality – we need rules that work).
    
    Please leave the amateur diagnoses to Shearer… or not even that idiot.
    - NickS 4.2.1.1
      
      22 October 2013 at 1:31 pm
      
      THIS.
      
      People who are otherwise normal are also perfectly capable of being complete arseholes, and while depression can make sufferers more grumpy/angry, in Slater’s case he was just as much a douche before developing depression. Only now he’s much more open about it and has time to kill…
      
      Also – I’m sort of the same, though my filters are more there to deal with depression triggers.
    - Molly 4.2.1.2
      
      22 October 2013 at 4:02 pm
      
      Agree +100.
      
      I have a son on the spectrum and he has one of the usual traits of being unable to lie. This trait makes him a social timebomb occasionally, but his integrity and honesty are without fault.
      - Rhinocrates 4.2.1.2.1
        
        22 October 2013 at 4:16 pm
        
        If someone asks “How are you?”, I struggle to say “Fine”, because I want to be accurate.
        
        Them: “How are you?”
        
        Me: [Internally: well, I have this persistent strain in my right popliteal fascia due to the posture I keep at my desk and my left foot is half a size bigger than my right, so that there is this constriction in my boot and my left big toe always feels as though there’s something under it and the little toe has a corn, and there’s this pale patch on my jacket that really upsets the colour scheme and I really should lay out that rug again and did you know that Gliese 667C has three planets in the Goldlilocks Zone, though solar wind combined with weak magnetic fields – due to them most likely being tidally locked – suggest that the inner two might be uninhabitable due to atmosphere loss, just like Mars, which has only a fragmentary magnetic field, though life might exist underground, even if it is a Godawful small affair to the girl with the mousy hair and…]. “Urgh… fine, thanks for asking.”
        
        And I’m “high functioning”.
        
        Molly 4.2.1.2.1.1
        
        22 October 2013 at 5:22 pm
        
        Wow – I knew there was a reason why my son is one of my favourite people.
        
        Rhinocrates …
        
        22 October 2013 at 5:25 pm
        
        Hi Molly – that’s good! My best wishes for you and your son.
        
        By the way, those “bombs” (see below – 4.2.1.2.1.2) are FUN.
        
        Rhinocrates 4.2.1.2.1.2
        
        22 October 2013 at 5:23 pm
        
        The short version being, if anyone with autism gives you a blank stare, it’s not because there’s nothing going on behind their eyes – on the contrary, a bomb of associations has just detonated, once again, and they’re trying to assemble the pieces into a simple object that they can give back to you.
    - ianmac 4.2.1.3
      
      22 October 2013 at 6:52 pm
      
      In my experience Autistics and ADHD seem to take “rules” literally and get upset when a grey interpretation of a rule is so unsettling.
      You seem well able to manage your autism Rhino.
      - Rhinocrates 4.2.1.3.1
        
        23 October 2013 at 12:09 am
        
        grey interpretation of a rule is so unsettling.
        
        Everything that is automatic for neurotypical people has to be manual for us, I like to say. It makes us more aware in some ways, but requires a bit of (legal) self-medication due to the effort it requires…
        
        I’ve had time to learn the tricks at least. I feel sorry for those who haven’t yet.
  - emergency mike 4.2.2
    
    22 October 2013 at 1:32 pm
    
    Slater, autism? Nah, can’t see it. As Rhino said, those on the autism spectrum usually have a strong moral code, and as far as I can see don’t generally covet the limelight.
    
    To me Slater, Banks, and Brownlee are both textbook cases of narcissistic personality disorder. Otherwise known as ‘being a complete arsehole’.
    
    Also as Rhino said, be careful about labeling people with psychological disorders, it’s very easy to work backwards from a conclusion about someone and see what you want to see to confirm that conclusion. It’s probably best avoided.
    
    However I’m happy to make exceptions for the turds I’ve mentioned. And for good measure – John Key: sociopath.
    - dpalenski 4.2.2.1
      
      23 October 2013 at 4:06 pm
      
      If Slater is autistic, I’m one super out going party people in this altervative universe and I have girlfriend too. In this universe Slater properly suffers from arsehole disorder like Micheal Laws does when he claimed to be autistic.
      
      BTW does else’s ablity to spell go backwards when they write about Micheal Laws the guy dumbs me just writing about him in passing :p
- SpaceMonkey 4.3
  
  22 October 2013 at 10:51 am
  
  Actually I think Cameron Slater oscillates between narsissist and psychopath…
- Mary 4.4
  
  22 October 2013 at 11:16 am
  
  Yes, and part of that will be loving the attention he’s getting.
- Brett Dale 4.5
  
  22 October 2013 at 12:59 pm
  
  Tracy:
  
  I dont think he is narcissistic, he maybe something else, but not this.
  Also why oh why do you feel the need to use my full name when writing a
  message?
  - Mary 4.5.1
    
    22 October 2013 at 5:16 pm
    
    Because it’s got a nice ring to it.
  - the pigman 4.5.2
    
    22 October 2013 at 11:50 pm
    
    If Tracey just said “Brett” you might be confused with any number of other TS users (whose names might be Brett).
    
    I mean you chose the name, are you seriously complaining when people call you by it?
Tiger Mountain 5

22 October 2013 at 7:35 am

Well it is rather refreshing to read Hamish Price’s words. Articulate and thoughtful. There are old fashioned decent torys in the modern world as contradictory as that seems.

Don’t agree with them and the damage their comprador (crony) capitalism does to our country in so many ways but Price’s remarks are fresh air after the Whalespew stench. Cam Slater really needs to be “sectioned” for assessment at least.
karol 6

22 October 2013 at 7:37 am

Ha! I didn’t know about the Terry Prachett thing before, but it does suit your reworking of it in TS banner above:

The Standard
Because The Truth will make you fret
especially if a misogynist creep ran it.

Indeed.

Such a sloppy conspiracy to undermine Brown using a smear that is all tabloidish bluster and sleaze, with little real ammunition. Meanwhile Slater, Cook,Wewege and Palino were leaving track marks all over town.

That Price and many others knew of the attempt to “embarrass” Brown makes a lie of Slater claiming only people close to Brown would have known, and therefore someone in the Brown camp must have sent the texts.

And WO claimed on The Nation that he hadn’t lied about anything? Didn’t he first say Chuang came to him with the story? And then later claimed, after Wewege’s role was exposed, that Wewege brought Chuang to him?

How many more lies?
- lprent 6.1
  
  22 October 2013 at 9:57 am
  
  Not quite..
  
  The Standard
  Because The Truth will make you fret.
  Especially if a misogynist creep still ran it.
  
  For the space of one word I could add the boot.. And in the best tradition of the Ankh-Morpork Times could I do less. The book is called The Truth and it stands out even amongst his many other books. I was reading it last night while waiting, and it seemed so appropiate
  - Rogue Trooper 6.1.1
    
    22 October 2013 at 10:55 am
    
    Veritas odium parit -Petrarch
- Ugly Truth 6.2
  
  22 October 2013 at 2:55 pm
  
  Such a sloppy conspiracy to undermine Brown using a smear that is all tabloidish bluster and sleaze, with little real ammunition.
  
  Brown flies the flag of family values during his campaign and then has initiates an affair in which his role as mayor played a significant part.
  
  Is hypocrisy an accepted part of politics now?
  - karol 6.2.1
    
    22 October 2013 at 3:01 pm
    
    Show me where Brown campaigned on “family values” – whatever that term may mean?
    
    As an Auckland voter, I’d never heard the term “family values” being associated with Len Brown before this news of the affair broke.
    - Ugly Truth 6.2.1.1
      
      22 October 2013 at 4:26 pm
      
      http://patbrittenden.com/2013/10/17/why-len-browns-affair-should-matter-to-the-public/
      - McFlock 6.2.1.1.1
        
        22 October 2013 at 4:37 pm
        
        Well, that link addresses neither campaigning nor family values.
        
        Ugly Truth 6.2.1.1.1.1
        
        23 October 2013 at 10:36 am
        
        Defend your hypocrite Labour brethren much, McFlock?
        
        From the link:
        
        “Mayor Len Brown has ‘sold’ his Christian credentials, and there is no question that there have been many, especially in South Auckland, that have given Len Brown their vote because of the label he has chosen for himself.”
        
        Rogue Trooper …
        
        23 October 2013 at 10:42 am
        
        KJV UT? ASV or RV
        Textus Receptus 🙂
        
        Pascal's bookie …
        
        23 October 2013 at 10:59 am
        
        One interview from 2010. Where he answers questions about his faith. He clearly went hard on that angle then eh.
        
        McFlock …
        
        23 October 2013 at 12:14 pm
        
        well, if someone else pushing the same barrow says it, it must be true
  - amirite 6.2.2
    
    22 October 2013 at 4:43 pm
    
    qI; is hypocrisy an accepted part of politics now?
    
    a: Yes it is, cue: Banks voting for gay marriage and the casino laws while being a fundy Bible basher, Dunne voting for the very law that allowed the GCSB to spy on him too and cause him a massive tantrum.
    There are countless other examples, I’m sure everyone can contribute with theirs,
    - Ugly Truth 6.2.2.1
      
      23 October 2013 at 10:47 am
      
      Yes it is
      
      This hypocrisy is consistent with the perversion of law which is sold by the state. It isn’t restricted to either the left or the right of the political arena. The perversion is the atheistic interpretation of law which is fundmentally theistic.
      
      Incidentally hypocrisy is connected to Christianity via Paul. Paul was a Pharisee, and they were collectively characterised as being hypocrites. The connection between Christianity and the state is underscored by the fact that the NZ head of state is also the “Supreme Governor” of the Anglican Church.
bad12 7

22 October 2013 at 7:39 am

i quite like this bloke Hamish Price, i just listened to Him on RadioNZ National saying much the same things as what the Facebook page does,

Price isn’t afraid to air nationally His belief that Slater/Cook and Palino are lying their faces off about their knowledge of and involvement in the sub-plot surrounding Len’s dalliance to force Him from the Mayoralty,

Isn’t it great tho to see them take to each other, the right that is, it can be heard from down here in Wellington, riiiiippp, as the National Party power base in Auckland tears itself apart, the laughable mainstream media at pains to try and distance the Party from the blood-bath among the ‘activist’ cadre tasked with holding the lefts feet to the fire, have in reality shown the whole country that National are now riven with intercine factional fighting out-side of the Parliament and i would suggest that while patently not involved in this ugly mess, Slippery’s National Government will not avoid being splashed in the offal as the blood-letting continues…
- SpaceMonkey 7.1
  
  22 October 2013 at 10:49 am
  
  What I know of Cameron Slater… if Price wasn’t right, Slater would be in like a robber’s dog suing Price for defamation and slander.
AsleepWhileWalking 8

22 October 2013 at 7:45 am

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/10/22/john-palinos-tui-billboard-moment/
Tracey 9

22 October 2013 at 7:49 am

Yup…. eating their young. Certain nats will be bemoaning how clumsy this was. It shows you get what u pay for even when playing dirty…

has collins tweeted cam recently…

I saw cactus kate commented here when it broke but no comment since it turned on her boy?
- Pascal's bookie 9.1
  
  22 October 2013 at 7:56 am
  
  nah. the SOP is to lay low until it all blows over and then to start being public friends with him again when he says something funny about a greenie.
  
  And if anyone ever says ‘how about all that crap?’ you go on about how ‘no one can control Cameron, but to those who know him, they know he is a big lovely and you just don’t understand.’
- Murray Olsen 9.2
  
  22 October 2013 at 8:49 pm
  
  A person less trusting than myself would be wondering if the prickly one, with her links to Hong Kong, actually played some role with Bevan Chuang, also from Hong Kong. Of course, they would be totally wrong, and Cam is one of the nicest people you could ever hope to meet.
JK 10

22 October 2013 at 7:51 am

Have a look at Richard Harman’s comments on Front Page. Its about the factions in National. And Harman having been a press gallery journo for years, and right-wing leaning – it sounds credible to me. Sorry – don’t know how to do links, but the link is in Bryce Edwards’ column in today’s Herald – somewhere down near the end of it.
- richard 10.1
  
  22 October 2013 at 8:53 am
  
  Might be this one: –
  http://www.frontpage.co.nz/news/muldoons-ghost-haunts-whaleoil/
  
  Edit: (didnt’ see that gruntie had posted the link below)
  - Rogue Trooper 10.1.1
    
    22 October 2013 at 11:00 am
    
    thnx for the interesting Frontpage, and good fortune with the ‘gravatar’. 😉
  - Ad 10.1.2
    
    22 October 2013 at 5:21 pm
    
    Adds credence to MickeySavage’s blog from yesterday.
    This is making me less skeptical about reports of schism forming.
Tat Loo 11

22 October 2013 at 7:54 am

“As well as the refugees from those countries (it is noticeable the number of Americans we’re seeing moving here at present) we also seen some of the dregs and their tactics…”

There’s no doubt that NZ is seen as a “lifeboat” by some Americans seeking shelter from the fallout of a struggling empire. As tides rise in the pacific and the Washington DC gridlock worsens (next budget showdown is being replayed in Jan) we’ll have to carefully consider what this lifeboat status means for us.
- vto 11.1
  
  22 October 2013 at 8:00 am
  
  Yep. One of the biggest and most unavoidable issues of our time.
  
  Our population will soar at some few points in time over the next period to a density comparable to most other similar nations (UK? Japan? Fancy 50million living here?).
  
  And there virtually nothing a government or a nation can do at those points in time.
  - Tat Loo 11.1.1
    
    22 October 2013 at 8:10 am
    
    I think NZ should implement policies to maintain a hard cap on total population of 9M or less. That’s double today’s and a high limit, but we are in an over populated world living beyond its carrying capacity, where these issues have to be thought about.
    
    To put that into perspective, that’s an Auckland with over 3M people. All I can say is… Good luck with that 🙂
- Rogue Trooper 11.2
  
  22 October 2013 at 11:11 am
  
  The number of mass shootings in the US has tripled in recent years- A.G Eric Holder. The apart, hide.
- greywarbler 11.3
  
  22 October 2013 at 12:59 pm
  
  Tat
  Yes, who will come. I keep thinking of the Ossies and writing about them. I wonder how bad things have to get there before they overcome their illogical prejudices and start seeing us as a green alternative. After their houses have burnt down three times? Water gets very expensive?
  They have been feeding themselves a good life story for a long while, with nights out to sometimes lavish RSL clubs built with gambling profits.
  
  But is it a house of straw? The gambling profits were an incentive for us to get them by the past governments of Tw’dee and dumb. The whole mindset is addictive and hard to cure.
  
  Chinese are so smart and focussed they can run twice as fast as us on half the breath. They are coming too, and I hope they bring the better part of Mao’s Revolution with them but fear that they will revert to looking after No.1 Family first. Which means they may be drawn to the Right here. Patsy Wong and hubby are go-getters, probably examples of the industrious, ambitious achievers.
  
  South Africans. I think I catch a hint of the accent in many leaders voices in business, public roles.
  
  And USA. They have been sliding to the Right so long they probably have scoliosis and we could ban them as being health risks. They will bring all their bad habits with them, won’t have learned a thing from the crunchie bar strength of their country.
Saarbo 12

22 October 2013 at 8:03 am

Absolutely agree!
Gruntie 13

22 October 2013 at 8:13 am

Link to Richard Harman on Front Page

http://www.frontpage.co.nz/news/muldoons-ghost-haunts-whaleoil/
- Tat Loo 13.1
  
  22 October 2013 at 8:20 am
  
  Thx!
- miravox 13.2
  
  22 October 2013 at 8:23 am
  
  Slater’s comment on Harman’s blog:
  
  Actually the point remains tenuous at best Richard…there are no factions, only bitter people like Boag and Price.
  
  So that’s ok then. That’s not making Harman’s point for him at all…
- bad12 13.3
  
  22 October 2013 at 8:57 am
  
  Lolz, what a excellent piece of journalism, all i could think while reading it was ‘fight you bastards fight’,
  
  A fight like this isn’t going to disappear anytime soon, it’s a smouldering ruin spurred on by Nationals abysmal polling and it will now morph into the dog chasing it’s tail as the support base in Auckland walks away from National not being able to stand the stench,
  
  The ramifications of this explosion within Nationals elite arm of movers and shakers will sooner or later become apparent in the Parliament,
  
  I picked Slippery the Prime Minister’s recent prolonged sojourn into the heady realm of international diplomacy as Judith Collin’s best chance to roll Him for the leadership position and i am going to assume here it is in fact the abysmally low polling numbers that have in fact stopped Her leadership challenge albeit temporarily so,
  
  Having picked Maurice Williamson quite some time ago as one quietly painting a large target on the back of Slippery the PM i am not surprised now that He is showing up in more mainstream commentary as the ‘other half’ of the Collins leadership ticket, it was obvious when Slippery urged Maurice to take up the Speakers role in the Parliament that He was trying to get rid of Maurice and just as obvious from Williamson’s refusal to take the Speakers Chair(usually followed by a plum ambassadorial role), that He had ‘unfinished business’,
  
  i am picking that Collins/Williamson, one or the other astutely reading the political landscape, have decided amidst the National Governments dramatic fall from electoral grace that they will face after November 2014 a Labour/Green Government of at least two terms and that there is far more to be gained by playing the waiting game,
  
  Should this be true i would expect Collins/Williamson to ‘allow’ Bill English to take the National Party leadership into the first term of Opposition in what is beginning to have the faint whiff of a total electoral rout for National,
  
  Expect then a woeful election fought by Bill English as leader in 2017 followed by a Collins/Williamson takeover soon after, of course they just might be able to scrape together the numbers to roll Slippery prior to the 2014 election but time for this to gain the pair any political traction is fast running out,
  
  i can only add again, fight you bastards, fight….
  - gnomic 13.3.1
    
    22 October 2013 at 3:48 pm
    
    I bow to your apparent superior knowledge of the factions in the National Party, but I for one will not be putting any money on Mozza W as a future contender for its leadership. He may slip the odd dagger between the ribs no doubt, but surely not a face for prime time? Perhaps his bungling incompetence across a range of portfolios would not be an impediment alas.
  - Murray Olsen 13.3.2
    
    22 October 2013 at 9:01 pm
    
    One thing to watch for with NAct’s Auckland support base if the stench becomes unbearable is that they will look for Labour MPs to do their filthy work for them again. It worked better than they could have dreamed of with Douglas and co. The pressure really needs to be kept on Labour from its support base.
    - Tat Loo 13.3.2.1
      
      22 October 2013 at 9:06 pm
      
      +1
captain hook 14

22 October 2013 at 9:43 am

is there anyway of politely calling a lying arsehole a lying arsehole?
- Lanthanide 14.1
  
  22 October 2013 at 10:19 am
  
  Untruthful rectum?
Natwest 15

22 October 2013 at 10:01 am

Ah! got it – Slater, Cooke and company are lying arseholes – because Len didn’t really have an affair after all. Glad we have cleared that mess up!

[lprent: It looks like the Palino team have been systematically lying in order to do what? That is politically interesting.

Len Brown boning looks a whole lot less interesting for people who are actually interested in politics. It is probably more of an issue for gossips – you perhaps?. ]
- karol 15.1
  
  22 October 2013 at 10:08 am
  
  Bwhahahahaha!
  
  It’s curious to keep seeing the strange (il)logicality of Slater’s supporters, making comments that have little relation to the evidence as it has been presented, and still trying to hammer the line that the mere having of an affair is the biggest sin a politician can commit. Welcome to the 19th century!
- framu 15.2
  
  22 October 2013 at 10:11 am
  
  “because Len didn’t really have an affair”
  
  no ones saying that! –
  
  this is yet another thread where your stinking up the place repeating things that exist only in your head
  
  Do you actually have anything to say?
Sable 16

22 October 2013 at 10:20 am

Personally sick and tired of hearing about the Slater/Brown affair.

If the polls are anything to go by most people, including myself, believe the attack is politically motivated.

Time to ignore little creepy crawlies like the Slater’s of this world and get on with the job of running Auckland.
Mary 17

22 October 2013 at 10:39 am

Referring to Slater as “Cam” reminds me of that horrible photo of Mallard and Slater with their arms around each other after that silly bike race.
lez howard 18

22 October 2013 at 10:52 am

Sperm Oil Does not have an a-hole rating.Hes regarded in Tauranga as an ankle,much lower
- Anne 18.1
  
  22 October 2013 at 11:00 am
  
  There are funny moments:
  
  Whale Oil’s blog: Banner Headline :THE RESULTS ARE IN. 71% WANT LEN BROWN TO RESIGN.
  
  The poll was conducted by the Mandarin Chinese Daily. 6000 text messages sent. 230 replies.
  
  Talk about clutching at straws!
  
  http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/10/results-71-want-len-brown-resign/#axzz2iOc81Axc
Natwest 19

22 October 2013 at 10:56 am

Oh Karol get a grip – this is about the man’s integrity (or lack of it), it’s not the first affair he has been involved in. He cheated on his first wife, with his now second – and now he’s cheated on her (for 2 years). He then provided his mistress with a reference and then personally endorsed her into that council position. He also had her appointed to a board. Thirdly, he abused his position by using the council credit card for personal use – for which he stated was unnaceptable behaviour and, nothing would again occur to tarnish his reputation. He is a proven liar – so stop being an “excuser” for his lack of moral judgement. Mayor of our largest and most strategic city – what a joke. This story ain’t going away any time soon, because where there is smoke there is fire – and I’m absolutely certain there is more revelations to come – watch this space.
- Te Reo Putake 19.1
  
  22 October 2013 at 11:06 am
  
  Who are you talking about? The first couple of lines made me think you were dissing Cam Slater, then you drifted off into rant mode.
  
  On an unrelated matter, nice to see a poll on stuff showing only a minority of people think Len Brown has handled the revelations badly. Looks like he’ll be mayor for many, many more terms now.
- framu 19.2
  
  22 October 2013 at 11:33 am
  
  well you made a comment at least – pity its still you interviewing your imagination
- McFlock 19.3
  
  22 October 2013 at 12:28 pm
  
  🙄
  In order:
  mind your own business
  being investigated
  dealt with years ago
  wouldn’t be surprised if you are, too
  
  This story ain’t going away any time soon, because where there is smoke there is fire – and I’m absolutely certain there is more revelations to come – watch this space.
  no matter how hard you fan the embers, this is going to be a short dog-end of a cigarette, compared to the bushfire of which muckrakers knew what in Camp Palino – and why on earth would someone send a threatening text to Williamson?
  - greywarbler 19.3.1
    
    22 October 2013 at 12:39 pm
    
    McFlock
    what a fine summation of a rambling rant you make. And totally right. It’s definite ly the way to go through a lot of verbiage for the nub. I guess if I had done my critical thinking paper better I wouldn’t be struck by that thought.
Natwest 20

22 October 2013 at 11:37 am

Deluded deniers – pathetic, pitiful responses.
- Varity 20.1
  
  22 October 2013 at 12:01 pm
  
  ok, fine, you’re right … except slater and you supporters … nobodies cares about the affair anymore and you lot banging on about it isn’t going to change that.
  
  it’s been kind of amusing seeing slater become more n more unhinged but i do have a heart and think for his own sanity he needs to stop. he lost, he should just accept that and move on.
- Galrandra 20.2
  
  22 October 2013 at 12:18 pm
  
  @ NW
  The mayor’s probity in relation to responsibilities mayoral is currently being examined elsewhere; this post is about the lack of moral compass in a considerable section of the Auckland’s National party machine.
  Do spend a little time and tell us why you see only shine where the rest of us see sleaze.
  So what appears very much like coercion, blackmail, calumny and the subversion of the democratic process is acceptable, in order to punish what you judge to be sexual transgression?
tricledrown 21

22 October 2013 at 12:13 pm

Ratnest Brown did what the right can never do Hey came out and told the horrible truth.
Now those who flung the dung have been sprung.
They have not been able to lie in unison so they have been the arhitects of their own demise.
It would have been far more effective to just say len had an affair and leave it at that.
Let the media have a feilday.
But the bunch of slippery shisters wanted to maximise the damage it has backfired and the shit has largly bounced off len and stuck to the palino slater wewege cook .
LoL poor little natwest !
NickS 22

22 October 2013 at 12:59 pm

I see Slater is spewing on his blog again, probably would have been wiser for him to take a vacation.

*grabs popcorn*
- Rhinocrates 22.1
  
  22 October 2013 at 4:43 pm
  
  Ever read or seen Sartre’s Huis Clos or No Exit as it’s known in English? That’s where the famous Existentialist quote “Hell is other people” comes from – the torture being the eternal desire to be right, to have the last word, no matter what one has done, no matter what the means. Whalecum is in that Hell right now.
  - NickS 22.1.1
    
    22 October 2013 at 4:55 pm
    
    *chuckle*
    
    Except that’s usually fractally wrong, even more so in this case, so he’s also cursed with the hell that is that delusion of being right and the lack insight to see just how wrongzors he be 👿
captain hook 23

22 October 2013 at 1:51 pm

was that from the front or the back?
phil 24

22 October 2013 at 2:08 pm

Will JK jump b4 the election? He appears more stressed by each passing day. Leaving the party to fight it out, in private? Hahaha. Sadly we are paying for this veneer of Dumocravy.
captain hook 25

22 October 2013 at 2:22 pm

well if he is going then he is doing his best to make sure no MP gets a rise this year.
what a turkey.
Some MP’s work extremely hard and deserve what ever emolument they can get.
Rodel 26

22 October 2013 at 3:21 pm

A. I object to your calling Slater an arsehole.
B. Sorry. Are you a friend of his?
A. No. I’m an arshole.
Rogue Trooper 27

22 October 2013 at 3:29 pm

a little Cameo Creme from Karloff 😀
amirite 28

22 October 2013 at 4:57 pm

I lol at the MSM comparing Len Brown’s affair to the army guy’s – conveniently forgetting that the army have been threatening to ruin the lives and the livelihoods of his former mistress and her daughter.
Also, the Righwingers request for investigation into the SkyCity gift of freebie hotel room use to Len- let’s see what sort of freebies has ShonKey received in return for the Convention Centre and the 300 + pokies deal. This weeks picture in the Sunday Herald supplement shows him and Bronwyn smiling like possums in the headlights in front of the camera just before they were to go to dinner at the Skycity restaurant.
Yeah, let’s look into both cases, for the sake of consistency and fairness.
Hamish 29

22 October 2013 at 5:03 pm

Dear Whale Blubber, I know you read these comments:

“237 Blackmail

(1) Every one commits blackmail who threatens, expressly or by implication, to make any accusation against any person (whether living or dead), to disclose something about any person (whether living or dead), or to cause serious damage to property or endanger the safety of any person with intent—

(a) to cause the person to whom the threat is made to act in accordance with the will of the person making the threat; and

(b) to obtain any benefit or to cause loss to any other person.

(2) Every one who acts in the manner described in subsection (1) is guilty of blackmail, even though that person believes that he or she is entitled to the benefit or to cause the loss, unless the making of the threat is, in the circumstances, a reasonable and proper means for effecting his or her purpose.

(3) In this section and in section 239, benefit means any benefit, pecuniary advantage, privilege, property, service, or valuable consideration.”

Punishment of blackmail

238 Every one who commits blackmail is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 14 years.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM330263.html
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM330268.html
- toad 29.1
  
  22 October 2013 at 10:08 pm
  
  Not sure which Hamish you are in this story (or you may be none of them), but you are onto it with that comment.
  
  There is a serious stench of criminal offending here if we accept what Bevan Chuang is reported as having said.
Just Like Tiger Woods 30

22 October 2013 at 5:13 pm

Get ready, Comrades.

Incoming……

Tomorrow, by the looks of it.
- Pascal's bookie 30.1
  
  22 October 2013 at 5:29 pm
  
  Yawn
Hamish 31

22 October 2013 at 5:20 pm

I’m Sorry Comrade, but I’m too busy working to care whether Len was boning other people on the side. That’s between him and his family, and the people involved…

Meanwhile, Blubber boy spends the whole day masturbating and getting off on this affair. Is he still a sickness beneficiary? If not where does he get his income from?
gobsmacked 32

22 October 2013 at 7:08 pm

Anyone who thinks this is Left vs Right (like one or two t/rollies above) really needs to wake up. This is the Right fighting themselves – the establishment versus the embarrassment.

And you should read the latest from inside the Palino camp … heartfelt, frustrated and deserving a response from Palino.

Will there ever be one?

http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Hamish-Coleman-Ross-Palino-Auckland-must-hear-you/tabid/721/articleID/38516/Default.aspx
- Pascal's bookie 32.1
  
  22 October 2013 at 8:12 pm
  
  Bloody hell. Also, hahahahhaha.
appleboy 33

22 October 2013 at 9:23 pm

Slater is scum – he’s been boasting of his web site getting lots of hits – yeah well xxxtube porn site gets more than Whaleoil, so he’s in good company.
georgecom 34

22 October 2013 at 9:29 pm

The more gets revealed, the more words like “incompetent”, “ham-fisted”, “bumbling” etc come to mind.
- georgecom 34.1
  
  23 October 2013 at 10:15 pm
  
  Amateurish comes to mind as well.
hoom 35

22 October 2013 at 9:39 pm

I find it quite fascinating how this affair which was obviously thought to be a knock out blow to the Left on Auckland Council has so quickly reversed into an exposé of & shitfight within the internal workings of the Right.
Cactus Kate 36

23 October 2013 at 5:20 am

Murray
Up until the day her name was published in the Herald I had never heard of Bevan Chaung. Funnily enough I don’t know everyone living in Hong Kong let alone those Hong Kong born people not living here. I’m also not a Nat or a Tory.

Try again.

I’ve lost track of the story and it’s diversions at the time Brown was accused of writing a reference for a woman he had the hots for/was shagging.

Nick Smith resigned for such and at that point so should Len. Then there’s the Sky City murk as well.

I’ve changed my mind now as for a man as weird as Len is this rooting is absolutely legendary and he’s just the sort of person I think should be Mayor. It’s not a very important job anyway.
- unsol 36.1
  
  23 October 2013 at 9:45 am
  
  “Nick Smith resigned for such and at that point so should Len”. Not so. If it comes out that he was only on general/acquaintance terms with Chuang then the whole issue is moot. Surely you know more than anyone that it is best to draw conclusions based on facts, not hearsay.
  
  “I’ve changed my mind now as for a man as weird as Len is this rooting is absolutely legendary and he’s just the sort of person I think should be Mayor. It’s not a very important job anyway.”
  
  You’re wrong about legendary – girls keen to get their leg over to procure political leverage no doubt require very little persuasion and 2 minutes is hardly indicative of someone who really knows their way around.
  
  But if dirty politics is how NZ wants to progress then what we need now, you know, so that it is a level playing field, is for Slater’s ex mistress Debbie Brown (funny she shares not only the same surname as Len, but his lack of common decency) to come out sharing how many times she slept with him & his prowess….or lack thereof. After all, the political commentators are in the public arena so surely we should be holding their personal lives up to the same scrutiny, otherwise how do we know they can be trusted?
  
  “…and he’s just the sort of person I think should be Mayor. It’s not a very important job anyway”.
  
  I agree. The role of mayor is no more than a simple mouthpiece.
- Tat Loo 36.2
  
  23 October 2013 at 10:11 am
  
  Nick Smith resigned for such and at that point so should Len. Then there’s the Sky City murk as well.
  
  Nick Smith resigned?
  
  How come he is still in Parliament, then?
- gnomic 36.3
  
  24 October 2013 at 11:44 pm
  
  ‘I’ve changed my mind now as for a man as weird as Len is this rooting is absolutely legendary and he’s just the sort of person I think should be Mayor. It’s not a very important job anyway.’
  
  OMG! Agree with the Cactus, oh noes. Len is a headcase, no doubt about it. Up there with JFK and Slick Willy on the flopping it out front it seems.
  
  And anyway who cares who is the ‘Mayor’ since as Penny Bright has pointed out, certain dark forces actually call the shots anyway. She mentioned the Committee for Dorkland and the Property Council.
unsol 37

23 October 2013 at 9:29 am

Nice response from Price – he is not only much better looking (mind you, most people are), but classier when he responds to accusations.

I don’t consider politics to be an honourable profession, but Cameron Slater’s gutter politics is a whole new low. It is one thing to expose the affair, but entirely another to provide the kind of information he has.

The whole thing is embarrassing – not only for Brown & NZ politics, but for Slater & his family. How can he, as a father & so-called Christian justify this kind of garbage to his family? His church?

The irony of course is that his actions have pretty much guaranteed zero chance of his desired result coming to fruition – Brown will stay as mayor.
captain hook 38

23 October 2013 at 11:10 am

it’s really great to see banks whining on the telly that the whole country is agianst him.
Well the thing is that the whole country is just about sick of banks and slater and their vitriol and hatred that passes for politicis.
gnomic 39

25 October 2013 at 12:12 am

Did some one mention Cameron Slater? How strange that the king of the ratbags (imho) hates ratbags. Most perverse, psychologically. Depressed was it, after his business failed? Diddums. Well worth big sums of cash. Or not, as the insurers eventually decided, last I heard. Daddy was a nasty piece of work too, or perhaps he was a lovely bloke? Despite being a senior official in the ‘National’ party which some might think meant he was scum floating on the surface..