Campbell: Ten Reasons For Not Voting National

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1. Ed 1

   19 September 2017 at 7:23 am

   Only 10 reasons.
   I can think of many more.
   • popexplosion 1.1

     19 September 2017 at 10:21 am

     yeah. Nats don’t believe in govt, don’t get it, want govt out of the way. Know bleeding idea. Patchup botchup.
2. Incognito 2

   19 September 2017 at 7:37 am

   For me, it boils down to one reason and one reason only:

   National is the party for the few
   • popexplosion 2.1

     19 September 2017 at 10:22 am

     No I disagree. National is a cult. Whose arise can be shined better to look good for the few. I doubt the few want sycophants.
3. katipo 3

   19 September 2017 at 8:11 am

   Relevant to reason #2 and the decision to de-electrify the NI Main Trunk Line…
   “Leaked documents show that KiwiRail’s decision in December 2016, to replace electric locomotives on the electrified section of the North Island Main Trunk (NIMT) with diesel locomotives, was based on flawed logic and justified by misleading information.”
   https://www.greaterauckland.org.nz/2017/09/19/kiwi-rail-de-electrification/
   • tracey 3.1

     19 September 2017 at 11:57 am

     And a visit to the 9th Floor?
4. cleangreen 4

   19 September 2017 at 9:11 am

   Good article thought provoking ;

   Rogernomiics was the single policy that has ruined our once proud solid performing resilient ecomony that kept all our “essential services ticking along” but since everything was privatised’ we are truly ‘rogered’ now with broken state housing, hospitals, schools, roads, rail, local councils, electricity systems, health sevices, clinics, jails, and ACC services.

   We are heading into another depression sooner than later, and Auckland will survive the fall if labour reverse their continuim of rogernomics.

   All labour now needs to win the election is to say “we are disbaning all rogernomic’s policies.”
   • popexplosion 4.1

     19 September 2017 at 10:29 am

     Privatization means someone taking profit and so costing more. It was part of a movement that foresaw decades of lower price high density fuel flowing out of Arabia and so wanted business to expand. That time has past, we now move into a era of limits which ends with zero waste closed system where profit is marginal if at all. The world is getting it, but National aren’t. Crazy cultists.
5. mary_a 5

   19 September 2017 at 9:23 am

   All of the 10 reasons above, plus more, including …

   the lies and
   the lies and
   the lies
   My God Natz can lie!

   Kick ’em out on Saturday!
6. roy cartland 6

   19 September 2017 at 11:38 am

   Well I support Gordon for PM! If only…!
7. tracey 7

   19 September 2017 at 11:59 am

   The deliberate tactic to turn farmers against others and vice versa to retain power is appalling. The farming community are being used and the city/townies buying into it by hating on the farmers should also hang heads in shame. Joyce, English and Fed Farmers have taken The Prince too far. Only Ad is envious.

   We are all in this together
   • roy cartland 7.1

     19 September 2017 at 12:52 pm

     Not farmers – polluters. Plenty of farming goes on that actually benefits, yes benefits, the environment. If one kind doesn’t, or is in an area grossly unsuitable for it, they can either change or pay a bit.
     • tracey 7.1.1

       19 September 2017 at 1:10 pm

       I agree but English has taken this to an unacceptable level.
   • Ian 7.2

     19 September 2017 at 8:44 pm

     The water tax would have cost my family business $ 52000 last year at 2 cents per cumec. A labour and green Government would totally destroy my family business if they introduced all the punitive taxes they have said they will legislate. You don’t get it do you ? The farming community is under attack ,and we are not going to sit back and take it up the arse. The ill prepared ,incompetent and useless labour party strategists that have no idea on how the Ag sector operates in NZ are the ones that need to hold their collective heads in shame. I can think of a more appropriate place they should poke their heads but this is a family show.
     • One Anonymous Bloke 7.2.1

       19 September 2017 at 8:51 pm

       Choke on it. If you can’t make a living without obeying the law and paying your taxes, move on: there are plenty of people who can replace you.
       • Ian 7.2.1.1

         19 September 2017 at 10:42 pm

         you will never get it. I am not going away whatever happens on Saturday. I paid a lot of tax last month and feel good about it. I can now do whatever I like with whats left. You should try it if you have any balls,but I suspect your balls were pushed up years ago.
         • One Anonymous Bloke 7.2.1.1.1

           19 September 2017 at 10:51 pm

           Hysteria about destroying your family business one minute. “I’m alright Jack” the next. Malignant conspiracy theories, querulous climate ignorance, dishonesty, and the laughable shadow of insecure one-upmanship.

           I would try it, but I haven’t saved up enough for a pre-frontal lobotomy yet.
           • Ian 7.2.1.1.1.1

             19 September 2017 at 11:00 pm

             Quite happy to help you with your health issues. Can you please supply details of your surgeon so we can do a deal.
             • One Anonymous Bloke …

               20 September 2017 at 5:48 am

               Knock yourself out.
         • ianmac 7.2.1.1.2

           19 September 2017 at 10:53 pm

           Yes Ian. Glad you feel good about paying at least some of your tax. Just think how good you would feel if you paid it all. Instead of hiding liability.
           • Ian 7.2.1.1.2.1

             19 September 2017 at 11:06 pm

             If I told you how much tax we pay,you wouldn’t beleive me . I actually beleive our tax system is pretty fair at the moment and am quite happy to part with approx a third of taxable income to keep the country moving.
             • reason …

               19 September 2017 at 11:28 pm

               Ian …. If you are not using a tax haven then you are paying more than your fair share ….. and/or you are facing run down Public health, education, student loans etc …..

               Because corporations and the very richest among us are not paying their share http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-11/corporate-tax-minimisation-costs-governments-1-trillion/7587092

               “At least $US1 trillion in tax revenue is lost worldwide, and $50 billion in Australia, as a result of aggressive tax minimisation schemes established by the four giant firms who audit the books of nearly all the world’s major companies, said George Rozvany, a 32-year veteran of the corporate tax industry.

               “And I’m a conservative man, I think the figure is actually much higher,” he told the ABC.”

               John Key defined it as being creative and working hard ….

               Or as others put it “owning New Zealand farms through a Caribbean tax haven may have tax advantages “-
               ” http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/10400785/We-need-to-talk-about-that-red-carpet-rollout

               At the moment the unethical is ” legal “……

               This is what fair looks like ….. “If you set up a sham transaction in a tax haven with a view to shifting profits from a high tax jurisdiction to a low tax jurisdiction that should be considered unacceptable to the international community.””
               • reason …

                 19 September 2017 at 11:54 pm

                 The biggest payer of any water tax ….. Would probably be Oravida and its beneficiarys ……. Like Judith Collins

                 How much would it sock her and hubby in the pocket ???

                 How about Amy Adams ?? …… would her farms be up for it ???

                 Bill English is a dry old bastard and has a Lignite conversion plan for his land 😉 …. he is a Lignite fossicker https://fmacskasy.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/solid-energy-chief-executive-don-elder-and-hon-bill-english-at-mataura-9-sept-2011.png
     • JC 7.2.2

       19 September 2017 at 9:16 pm

       Ian, I think you are reasonable bloke. (Seriously)

       I’m disappointed to hear that your current farming practices in Canterbury may cost it considerably …

       I appreciate that you have been considerate enough to:

       Put some of you farm into a QE 2 covenant, as you state.

       Also, as you state, you have spent $25 K on riparian plantings last year.

       All of that is commendable! (Seriously) And the fact that you are on this site, (Sound chamber) is worthy of applause. It is great to have others perspectives!

       I just believe that you, and perhaps others are being misled…

       http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1709/S00523/dairy-farms-using-same-amount-of-water-as-60-million-people.htm

       http://www.labour.org.nz/fact_check_water_royalty

       I’d really appreciate your real perspective… Just how much will things change under another government?
       • Ian 7.2.2.1

         19 September 2017 at 10:56 pm

         Thanks JC for a bit of Aknowledgement and you are correct with what we are doing with planting and National trust stuff. The amount of water we use is a Red Herring. It is a very small part of the Rangitata rivers annual flow and we store it during periods of high flow to supplement the reduced take our consent provides when low flow trigger points are reached. The amount of water flowing down the Rangitata over a year has to be seen to be beleived but can be monitored on the ecan website 24 / 7.
         If there is a change of Government and labour continues along the line they are hellbent on,expect open revolt.
         • adam 7.2.2.1.1

           20 September 2017 at 2:49 am

           Farms need to realise that open revolt by you lot is a no win situation. You made your bed with a government who did nothing in 9 years when things needed to change. To then threaten the public because things have to change, seems a little silly and a tad over the top. The reality is the world is changing, and in environmental terms not for the better, then to threaten violence becasue you no longer are getting a free ride, is just childish.
     • Exkiwiforces 7.2.3

       20 September 2017 at 12:10 am

       Ian,

       If you are one of these stupid dairy farmers on the Canterbury plains then I really have no time for you and your following Canterbury dairy farmers because of the long term effects that dairy industry is doing to the Canterbury plains with its poor soils and to the stratum. But if you are one of the smart farmers that didn’t fall for dairy Ponzi scheme (which is going to go tits up regardless of the water tax, by some of the actions of your follow dairy farmers or when war breaks out in the North Asia) and have stayed as mixed cropping/ sheep or cattle farmer then hats off to you. Because dairy has no place on the Canterbury plains, Hawkes Bay, Central Otago or the MacKenzie Basin because of the long term environment issues and the harsh dry summers and the winters are just as bad if not worse than summer.

       I’m a former farm cadet from Canterbury before it became user pays in other words I would had to get student loan under the 91 National government to finish off my studies. Because the stupid farmers at the time didn’t want to pay the levy for the Cadetship scheme or pay a decent wage to help us finish our studies so most of us left the Farm Cadetship scheme for better paying jobs or took our skill sets overseas. Like I did after I did my 5yrs in the NZ Army and with military service and my training I received as a cadet it has come in handy as peacekeeper in ADF or on my bush block in Australia.
     • Psycho Milt 7.2.4

       20 September 2017 at 6:43 am

       The water tax would have cost my family business $ 52000 last year at 2 cents per cumec.

       In other words, your business model is predicated on taking 2.6 billion litres of water per year from the local aquifers. Something that helped discourage that business model would be a good idea.
8. Zeroque 8

   19 September 2017 at 12:17 pm

   Untrustworthy spinners, should have heard Coleman on RNZ this morning for a prime example.
   • JC 8.1

     19 September 2017 at 12:52 pm

     Was he Denying /Lying/ and Obfuscating about this…

     “More than 9000 patients are still waiting one and a half times longer than intended for follow-up eye appointments nationwide.”

     http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/339679/thousands-face-long-wait-for-eye-clinic-appointments

     Or

     “Several men may have had their lives shortened by “unreasonable” delays in prostate cancer treatment at Dunedin Hospital – and many more will be in the same position, the Southern DHB says.”

     http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/201858959/suthern-dhb-s-life-shortening-failure

     Or

     Denying /Lying/ and Obfuscating about how the Govt was not to blame for the ‘terrible’ Southern DHB delays … And how this was not due to a lack of funding, or Leadership!! ?
9. JC 9

   19 September 2017 at 12:24 pm

   Rod Oram has a number of good points to add here…

   https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/09/16/48321/column-rodoram-election2017-choice
10. Dot 10

    19 September 2017 at 2:47 pm

    And then there is Climate Change and
    our environment —- mark D.
    for the National government over the
    last nine years.
11. Janet 11

    19 September 2017 at 7:11 pm

    And their determination to sign NZ up to TPPA come hell or high water.

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