China Becomes Fascist

Written By: - Date published: 12:52 pm, August 26th, 2019 - 42 comments
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Those who see fascism emerging under Trump can observe the full modern version in action now in Hong Kong’s contest of protesters with the Chinese government.

In a really weird moment this weekend I found myself agreeing with US Senate leader Mitch McConnell, who in the Wall Street Journal said:

This crisis didn’t begin in Hong Kong and won’t end there. The turmoil is the result of Beijing’s systematic ratcheting up of its domestic oppression and its pursuit of hegemony abroad.”

If you are visiting China for any reason now, take only a burner phone. A mote of stored resistance will see you detained at the airport.

The head of Cathay Pacific just got fired for insufficient ideological enforcement of his staff.

Through it all Xi Jinping may well win the Hong Kong domestic propaganda battle with their full digital messaging control and corporate martial rule, but lose the war pushing western social and MSM opinion toward sympathy with Trump’s trade war against China. Bad, meet worse.

Communism with Chinese characteristics entails unrestrained digital fascism. Plus the PLA camped in a stadium next to Hong Kong ready to go full Tiananmen on their asses.

Hong Kong’s protesters have no face to lose, all to gain across global opinion, and nowhere to go. That’s hundreds of thousands in one place, every week for months, in the biggest anti-fascist uprising we have seen globally in many decades.

This is a critical issue for all supporters of democracy (even where it’s more limited than ours). If Hong Kong’s limited democracy is crunched or fully dissolved, we will see Chinese fascism roll in full force across millions more people, through one of Asia’s most important cities.

Resist.

42 comments on “China Becomes Fascist”

  1. Muttonbird 1

    Becomes fascist? Where were you in 1989?

  2. McFlock 2

    Funny how all of this (not forgetting Uyghur mass imprisonment) is ratcheting up after Xi got rid of his constitutional term limit, too. I keep beating that term limit drum, but it was the biggest necessary step to moving back to totalitarian personality cults and dynastic rule.

     

    • Sacha 2.1

      What a coincidence that Chump has been making noises about dismantling the term limits on his own presidency..

      • McFlock 2.1.1

        jesus christ, he probably thinks he can do it with an executive order, too.

        Chances he gets dragged kicking and screaming out of the Oval Office on Jan 20 some year soonish just increased…

      • alwyn 2.1.2

        When did Trump talk about doing this Sacha?

        The times he has been questioned on the subject seem to have attracted pretty stong expressions of disapproval from the man. After all, when asked whether he would try to do it he said.

        "No," Trump responded. "Just won't happen."

        "I think the eight-year limit is a good thing, not a bad thing," he added."

        https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/417309-trump-rejects-suggestion-he-would-do-away-with-presidential-term

      • Stuart Munro. 2.1.3

        He'll be copying Putin, who did the same in Russia.

        • Dukeofurl 2.1.3.1

          Did He ?

          Putin has only ever served consecutive terms as per their constitution, and the end of each period he left office. Then after his sucessors term ended was elected again

           

          "The president is elected directly through a popular vote to a six-year term. The law prohibits anyone from ever being elected to the presidency for a third consecutive term"

          see the difference.

          US Constitution is worded differently

          "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice,

          Churchill   got the Commons to removed the 5 yr government term limit  , so  in 1945 election  was the first for 10 years. That was only temporary.

          • Stuart Munro. 2.1.3.1.1

            Putin changed the term limits in 2008. One term was supposed to be it – no more Stalins was the object – didn't suit the espiocrat at all.

            • Dukeofurl 2.1.3.1.1.1

              I explained how  he didnt

              The 2008 changes were from 4 yr terms to 6 yrs not remove term limits.
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_amendments_to_the_Constitution_of_Russia

              The  law says '  only serve  two consecutive terms' not the the US wording which is a maximum of  2 terms. They dont have to be consecutive.

              Indeed Grover Cleveland  served two non consecutive terms ( term limits didnt apply then)

              • Stuart Munro.

                So you've bought the spin.

                Some discussion here:
                https://www.economist.com/europe/2008/11/14/on-putins-terms

                • Dukeofurl

                  Do you have a learning disability ?

                  The facts are  Putin uses the existing laws which only restrict  the number of consecutive terms , with a out of office period  in between ( as PM)

                  Giving a Economist paywalled article doesnt prove that  Putin has done anymore than exploit existing laws.

                  Your claim was of course that Putin has changed the term limits. Russia only had  and still has  a limit on consecutive terms.

                  The US has a limit on total terms

                  Consecutive …look it up

              • alwyn

                The two term limit in the USA has been described as the posthumous revenge of the Republican Party on Franklin Roosevelt. Rather funny of course that the first President affected was the Republican Dwight Eisenhower. To be fair there was no way he would have run again, even though he would almost certainly have won in 1960.

                • Stuart Munro.

                  In Korea presidents get a single five year term. It helps avoid all the invidious behaviors of folk seeking re-election.

                  • alwyn

                    Other large countries with a single term and where the President actually has the power are Mexico and the Philippines.

                    Israel is the same one term limit but I bet neither you nor anyone else reading this could tell us who the President is without using Google.

                    • Stuart Munro.

                      It does have the virtue of encouraging active governance – there won't be another term to get around to it in.

                      And of course Koreans remember Park – the head of the KCIA had to kill him to get him out of office.

                      Probably the reigning virtue of democracy – the one that doesn’t get corrupted to the extent the others do, is that it enables transitions without violence. Monarchy creates successor or pretender coups.

      • fustercluck 2.1.4

        Hilarious. Trump makes jokes specifically about leftists' paranoia and they lose their minds taking him literally (proving leftists have no sense of humour).

        China is indeed a modern iteration of fascism where a disarmed citizenry faces the might of the state with little to defend themselves.

        Accusations that Trump is heading towards fascism are laughable in the face of the obvious: Fascist states disarm their people while free nations respect their right to arm and defend themselves. Trump is fighting to maintain the strength of the Second Amendment, a constitutional provision designed specifically to prevent the rise of totalitarianism/fascism.

        NZ is in the midst of a disarmament exercise. Makes you wonder which way we are headed, eh?

  3. Stuart Munro. 3

    I'd say totalitarian rather than fascist – there are humanist policies enacted from time to time by the ruling clique, but massive states need the leavening influence of democracy or they slide into despotic uses of power.

    • alwyn 3.1

      I think Lord Acton summed the whole matter up in the 19th century.

      "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely".

      And pray tell Stuart. What are these humanist policies that Xi Jinping has enacted?

      • Stuart Munro. 3.1.1

        I'm not certain – I don't follow him you understand. But there is a prosocial element to Chinese statism that was visible when I was there, though it may not extend to Uighers. That was under Hu Jintao however, a better fellow I thought.

        • alwyn 3.1.1.1

          Yes, that is the difference. Of course it is Xi, and not his predecessors after Deng set the rules who has no term limit. That is the "absolute power", isn't it?

          I rather liked the way that Deng's only official position in his later years was apparently President of the Chinese Contract Bridge Federation. It was called something like that anyway. He was, I am told, quite a good player.

  4. Booker 4

    There seems to be a real lack of thoughtful analysis on this in Western media. All it comes down to in most coverage (including this post) is China = bad, West = good.

    Take this for example:

    “Hong Kong’s contest of protesters with the Chinese government”. They’re not in protest with these Chinese government, it’s their own semi-autonomous officials who introduced the legislation. A bit more nuance would go a long way to conveying the actual reality of the situation.

    Or the quote of:

    “This crisis didn’t begin in Hong Kong and won’t end there.”

    No it didn’t, it started with the British Empire taking their land, running the country for a century or so then handing it back without a real plan of how the transition would work. And before anyone mentions the 50 yr transition period – how would that work, in reality? If you’re going from a society where people elect officials to one where they don’t, how is that transition really going to work – just do it slowly over 50 yrs and no one will notice? The whole fiasco was a debacle from the start, and the UK carry a substantial portion of the blame. This was about as well planned as Brexit.

    • Dukeofurl 4.1

      British Hong Kong never had elected officials .

      There was no transition,  instead where the one country two systems  would apply for 50  years.

      Hong Kong would have its own Constitution 

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Basic_Law

      Your idea that nothing was organised is absurd.

      "Comprising nine chapters, 160 articles and three annexes, the Basic Law was adopted on 4 April 1990 by the Seventh National People's Congress and signed by President Yang Shangkun.

      Its also  part of the legal code of China.

      • Dukeofurl 4.1.1

        More evidence of the  agreements between Britain and China regarding  changing HK to Chinese sovereignty

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration

        "Sino–British Joint Declaration consists of eight paragraphs, three Annexes about the Basic Policies regarding Hong Kong, the Sino–British Joint Liaison Group and the Land Leases as well as the two Memoranda of the two sides.

        Yes they are battling the China government , who via the Beijing  appointed Chief Executive wants to change the  Constitution, via the legislative assembly.

  5. The Chairman 5

    A US right-winger's view on Hong Kong.

    Warning, footage may disturb some viewers.

    • joe90 5.1

      A US right-winger's view on Hong Kong.

       

       A violent thug says shit.

      /

  6. DS 6

    China is not fascist. Fascism involves – among other things – a mobilisation of the populace on a broad scale, whereas the Chinese regime does not currently do this. Nor does Beijing obsess about dreams of Empire and Conquest, a la Mussolini or Adolf.

    It's just a nasty authoritarian state – specifically a strange red-tinted continuation of the past two thousand years of Chinese dynastic politics. The current bunch will one day fall, but I'd bet it won't be in our lifetimes. 

  7. mauī 7

    Once again this is the BS western narrative about "democracy", which usually indicates the opposite – regime change. Too many previous examples to list, Venezuela, Syria, Iraq, North Korea, etc.

    Also, the apparent cause of these protests, an extradition treaty to the parent country doesn't warrant this kind of unrest. So clearly the MSM are spinning again..

    • Once again this is the BS western narrative about "democracy",

      Yeah, what's democracy ever done for us, eh?

      Also, the apparent cause of these protests, an extradition treaty to the parent country doesn't warrant this kind of unrest.

      I think the people living there are better capable than you of judging whether any particular encroachment on their civil liberties by a totalitarian dictatorship warrants protest or not.  This particular law would mean any civil rights activist in Hong Kong could be accused of a crime in China and handed over to the CCP, so it's hardly surprising that the locals weren't impressed.

      • Mark 7.1.1

        "This particular law would mean any civil rights activist in Hong Kong could be accused of a crime in China and handed over to the CCP, so it's hardly surprising that the locals weren't impressed."

        Absolute balderdash – have you even read the draft of that proposed law?

      • mauī 7.1.2

        The history of Hong Kong isn't about democracy however, they were under British rule for 150 years and continue to have a ruling elite. So hardly a beacon of the civil rights movement. 

        Again is there any evidence of a rising Chinese influence on HK? Or has this all been over egged somewhat by the media.

        New Zealand would have troops on the ground in the Cook Islands by now if these protests were happening there. China does not.

  8. Mark 8

    Fascist? No…..China and Hong Kong are being soft cocks

    Thugs are throwing petrol bombs, bricks, beating up people who disagree with them – they have charged in and trashed the legislative council (i.e their parliament), and brought the airport to a standstill for 2 whole fucking days.

    These riots have been going on for 12 weeks and not a single death is testament to the restraint of the cops to the point of indulging these idiots.

    I daresay if you don a gasmask, wave an iron bar around and charge at the white house or capitol hill or where ever there would be a very good chance that you will lose your life

    And I challenge you Advantage to gather a bunch of your mates, for whatever political cause, and go down to Auckland airport and stand in the way of people checking in….try that and see what happens to you. Or try that at any American airport

    Sorry but anyone carrying a petrol bomb around, anywhere in the world should be shot on site – it would very likely happen in NZ

    The HK government have been pathetic the way they have indulged these creatures – and it is not going to stop until the cops get serious and crack some heads

    Fuck this anti-china narrative and double standards is just getting fucking ridiculous.

    [Inciting violence is never ok irrespective of the political cause so please don’t go there on this site – Incognito]

  9. Mark 9

    OK apologies for that…..instead I will say I hope for a stronger police action or for intervention by the Peoples Liberation army – in order to restore order and protect ordinary people

    PsychoMilt—if you saw a masked dude walking down the street carrying a petrol bomb, what would you expect the police to do in order to protect public safety?

  10. esoteric pineapples 10

    This video is an excellent counter point of view

    Some interesting facts that people may not know:

    * A Hong Kong man who murdered his pregnant girlfriend in Taiwan and was going to stay free unless he was extradited to China started the protests – not6 quite the most noble of reasons for protests to start

    * A mob of protesters mashed into the Hong Kong Parliament Building (about a month ago) and putt up a British flag. How could these be seen as anything else but provocative towards China.



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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
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  • A ditch for him to die in
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
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  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
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  • Good little vassals
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
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  • The Politics of Opposition
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  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
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  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
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    RedlineBy Admin
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  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
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  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s failure
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Cleaning up the water
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
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  • Democracy – I Don’t Think So
    So, those who “know best” have again done their worst. While constantly claiming to be the guardians of democracy and the constitution, and respecters of the 2016 referendum result, diehard Remainers (who have never brought themselves to believe that their advice could have been rejected) have striven might and main ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
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  • Government says it will now build just one really nice home
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    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Imperialism and your cup of coffee
    Over the next week or two we will be running three synopses of parts of the opening chapter of John Smith’s Imperialism in the 21st Century (New York, Monthly Review Press, 2016).  The synopsis and commentary below is written by Phil Duncan. Marx began Capital not with a sweeping historical ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Still juking the stats
    The State Services Commission and Ombudsman have released another batch of OIA statistics, covering the last six months. Request volumes are up, and the core public service is generally handling them within the legal timeframe, though this may be because they've learned to extend rather than just ignore things. And ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Hard News: Time for a New Deal: 25 years on
    In 1994, I was editing an ambitious street mag called Planet, from a fabled office at at 309 Karangahape Road. The thirteenth issue of the magazine was published in the winter of that year and its cover embodied a particularly ambitious goal: the end of cannabis prohibition.I wanted to do ...
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  • Not impressed
    KiwiBuild was one of the Ardern government's core policies. The government would end the housing crisis and make housing affordable again by building 100,000 new homes. Of course, it didn't work out like that: targets weren't met, the houses they did build were in the wrong place, and the whole ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Solar beats coal
    As the climate crisis escalates, it is now obvious that we need to radically decarbonise our economy. The good news is that its looking easy and profitable for the energy sector. Wind is already cheaper than fossil fuels, and now solar is too:The levellised cost of solar PV has fallen ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

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