Clinton vs Trump; Debate 2

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The second of three Presidential debates kicks off at 2PM NZ time.

The format is different this time, it’s more of a town hall style meeting with a combination of set questions from the moderators (ABC’s Martha Raddatz and CNN’s Anderson Cooper) and random impertinences from the audience.

Hillary Clinton is more in her element at these kind of events. A good listener, with a good grasp of issues, she can be relied on to come across as sympathetic and engaged. Donald Trump is far more used to deference and brown-nosing from the people he meets, not testing questions on the issues of the day. As a notoriously shouty bully, he’ll have to find  a way to tone down his overbearing nature, while at the same time rehabilitating his tattered reputation.

If, as has been rumoured, he tries to deflect from his own sexism by pushing fantasies about Hillary Clinton’s hubby, he’ll go down in flames. The desperate right have tried floating the ‘Bill as rapist’ meme over the weekend, but it hasn’t stuck. Mainly because of the lack of evidence, but also because Bill Clinton is still more popular than either Hillary or the Donald.

This sort of attack generally fails, as anyone who has tried to point out John Key’s many faults over the last 8 years can attest.

So it should be a fascinating contest. Hillary has the election in the bag and the calls to dump Trump will only grow louder if he doesn’t ‘win’ this debate hands down. It could be that there won’t need to be a third debate or if it’s held it’ll be Clinton vs Pence.

Today’s bout is live on TVNZ’s Duke channel and I believe they will be streaming it via their website, here.

And here’s a taste of what it might look like:

 

UPDATE: Obama nails Trump’s tiny insecurity issue.

 

 

UPDATE 2: Live Stream

 

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  1. Paul Campbell 1
    10 October 2016 at 8:30 am

    best twitter quote of yesterday: “Hey, Republicans, how does it feel to be forced to carry something to term?”

  2. xanthe 2
    10 October 2016 at 8:53 am

    So that would make it Clintons to lose

    • Colonial Viper 2.1
      10 October 2016 at 10:20 am

      We’re still in the first half of October, many more ‘October Surprises’ to come yet.

  3. Pasupial 3
    10 October 2016 at 8:59 am

    If we’re referencing SNL skits, I found this a fascinating investigation of the evolution of the percieved Hillary over the years. The presenter is mainly a film reviewer, but that gives a refreshing (if not quite apolitical) perspective too:

  4. Puckish Rogue 4
    10 October 2016 at 9:01 am

    As long as its not like the last snore fest

  5. marty mars 5
    10 October 2016 at 9:15 am

    I have a feeling we are about to descend in this debate – ‘ground floor – smears, lies and insinuations and some shouting’

    • TheExtremist 5.1
      10 October 2016 at 9:18 am

      Agree. I get the feeling though that Clinton will remain calm while nonetheless hitting low, but true, blows. Trump will be brash and hit low, mostly untrue, blows.

      • Colonial Viper 5.1.1
        10 October 2016 at 9:42 am

        Yes, Clinton will run her team’s series of well calculated personal barbs to rile Trump up.

        Trump has a simple job today – stay Presidential – and keep reminding the country over and over – if you want the corrupt, rigged and wasteful Clinton/Obama status quo in D.C. gone, then Donald J Trump going to fix things fast.

        • marty mars 5.1.1.1
          10 October 2016 at 10:44 am

          The problem is he has no lines now – they’ve been tried and found wanting. All he’s got is attack, any other strategy will be too inauthentic.

          • Colonial Viper 5.1.1.1.1
            10 October 2016 at 11:34 am

            Yes Trump’s lines have been found wanting by the MSM and the commentariat.

            • Phil 5.1.1.1.1.1
              10 October 2016 at 5:48 pm

              Trump has consistently failed to break through his 40% ceiling, on average, in the main polls. It’s pretty obvious that, in addition to the “MSM and the commentariat”, about 60% of likely voters also think Trump is garbage.

        • Pasupial 5.1.1.2
          10 October 2016 at 11:14 am

          CV
          You say; “Trump has a simple job today – stay Presidential”, when has he ever been; “Presidential”in the first place?

        • Leftie 5.1.1.3
          10 October 2016 at 12:00 pm

          “Donald J Trump going to fix things fast.”

          You’re dreaming Colonial Viper, Trump is corrupt, rigged and wasteful, he can’t even fix himself.

          • marty mars 5.1.1.3.1
            10 October 2016 at 12:27 pm

            + 1 Yay another thing we agree on – onya leftie

          • Colonial Viper 5.1.1.3.2
            10 October 2016 at 12:34 pm

            Hillary sold the office of Sec of State, lied to Congress and defied a Congressional subpoena, and after all of this it’s no surprise that all her senior staffers needed immunity from prosecution agreements with the FBI.

            Mind you, those small details may not matter at this point.

            • Don't worry. Be happy 5.1.1.3.2.1
              10 October 2016 at 5:58 pm

              Hillary behaves like a politician. Trump behaves like a sociopath. Is that really ok with you CV?

              • Colonial Viper …
                10 October 2016 at 6:58 pm

                “Hillary behaves like a politician.”

                Correct. Hillary talks, acts and moves like the consumate D.C. professional that she is.

          • D'Esterre 5.1.1.3.3
            10 October 2016 at 1:50 pm

            Leftie: “Trump is corrupt, rigged and wasteful, he can’t even fix himself.

            And you know this….how?

            • Leftie 5.1.1.3.3.1
              10 October 2016 at 4:27 pm

              Trump’s history.

              • Colonial Viper …
                10 October 2016 at 9:39 pm

                I’m still calling an easy win for Trump. Let’s see. It still depends on how sick to the back teeth the American people are of the DC elite and the current kleptocratic status quo.

                • Tricledrown …
                  10 October 2016 at 11:54 pm

                  So what is trump going to change.
                  Nothing CV which creepy clown wins

                  • Colonial Viper …
                    11 October 2016 at 12:24 am

                    At the end of the day I am realistic enough to realise that the Deep State i.e. a dangerous combo of the security state, Wall St and big corporations, runs the USA, and that the person in the Oval Office has somewhat limited influence one way or the other.

                  • miravox …
                    11 October 2016 at 2:57 am

                    Yep, It doesn’t matter how fed up the public is with the Washington establishment if they don’t see a viable alternative to it in Trump.

      • Phil 5.1.2
        10 October 2016 at 9:55 am

        The thing I’ll be looking for is not something that comes out of the mouths of the candidates, but the facial and audible reactions of the audience. The average undecided voter is going to be swayed a lot more by what they see in the crowd than what they see on the stage.

        • Pasupial 5.1.2.1
          10 October 2016 at 10:26 am

          Last time I watched most of the debate on mute in the background (mainly because I had other stuff to do, but also because it was a bit tedious when I did have the sound up). I imagine I’ll do the same with this one too.

          One of the most revealing things is to watch the opponents face when the other candidate is speaking. However, as Phil says, it’ll be good to see the; “facial and audible reactions of the audience”, too (there wasn’t much of that last time, but with the “town hall” format that is likely to change).

          I agree with The Extremist as far as he goes, but I also expect a lot more premeditation from the Clinton team while Trump will be unprepared and talk randomly according to his whims. I read a piece the other day (I thought on Salon, but couldn’t see it there today and my browser deletes history when I close it so somewhere on a USAn political site is the best reference I can give), which was a case lawyer examining the Clinton campaign tactics. The takeaway was that Clinton’s team seem to have prepared points to insert into each debate to set up later revelations. EG Clinton ties Trump and misogyny together (or at least reinforces that impression) in the first debate, Kaines gets Pence to deny the chharge in the VP debate, then a recording featuring JEB’s cousin surfaces to confirm Trump’s loathsomeness. Personally, I think there was a fair bit of luck involved too – but it is said that fortune favours those prepared to take advantage of it.

      • Siobhan 5.1.3
        10 October 2016 at 10:25 am

        Clinton has, by her own admission “both a public and a private position” on things like the banks.

        So I suspect, and many claim to know, that she also has “both a public and private position” on women.

        Just ask any of Bills past and present* women. (*according to Collin Powell) .

        No one in this debate can claim the high ground on ‘Truth’.

        • TheExtremist 5.1.3.1
          10 October 2016 at 10:27 am

          “So I suspect, and many claim to know, that she also has “both a public and private position” on women.”

          Yeah there’s no evidence for that.

          “No one in this debate can claim the high ground on ‘Truth’.”

          That I agree with

          • Colonial Viper 5.1.3.1.1
            10 October 2016 at 11:30 am

            Yeah there’s no evidence for that.

            You mean apart from her own words?

            Hillary Clinton told top banking executives that she has “both a public and a private position” on Wall Street reform and is reliant on wealthy donors to fund her campaign, leaked excerpts of the former first lady’s speeches seem to show, fueling claims of hypocrisy on the part of Mrs. Clinton at a crucial moment in the presidential campaign.

            http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/8/hillary-clinton-says-she-has-both-public-and-priva/

            • TheExtremist 5.1.3.1.1.1
              10 October 2016 at 11:41 am

              Instead of quote-mining why don’t you respond what I actually wrote and try again, son.

              • Colonial Viper …
                10 October 2016 at 12:32 pm

                “Try again, son.”

                LOL come on mate, I don’t report to dickheads like you.

                • TheExtremist …
                  10 October 2016 at 12:53 pm

                  So you can’t actually respond to what I actually wrote and will only respond to comments I didn’t make.

                  The intellectual dishonesty is strong with you

        • Phil 5.1.3.2
          10 October 2016 at 12:09 pm

          Clinton has, by her own admission “both a public and a private position” on things like the banks.

          So I suspect, and many claim to know, that she also has “both a public and private position” on women.

          That’s a logical fallacy.

    • joe90 5.2
      10 October 2016 at 11:29 am

      I have a feeling we are about to descend in this debate – ‘ground floor

      Yup, ready to go.

      Trump source on debate strategy: "She’s as much an attacker of women as Bill. We’re fully loaded. She's gonna have to confront her accusers"— Joshua Green (@JoshuaGreen) October 8, 2016

  6. Richard Rawshark 6
    10 October 2016 at 9:50 am

    Alec Baldwin nailed it on Saturday night live, Clintons laughing all the way to the white house.

    Looks like Trumps been outed as the perverse creep he appears to be. Got creepy for me when I hear he mentioned his daughter as voluptuous.., really? that’s your daughter.

    The only time I’d mention the word “voluptuous” and “my daughter” in the same sentence would have also included “thinking of”, “if you do”, and “shotgun death”.

    Alec Baldwins Trumps damn good though. Who agrees?

  7. Richard Rawshark 7
    10 October 2016 at 9:54 am

    Trump looks like a person easily rattled and who easily loses it.

    Clinton has all the cards, she’s a woman, he has little respect for women, so all she needs to do is argue, and click a few buttons and Trump will disintegrate in front of live TV.

    All she needs do is needle him..

  8. Adrian Thornton 8
    10 October 2016 at 10:08 am

    Hey of course no one wants Trump, but Hillary has no moral high ground in this debate.
    She has supported and defended her husband in his numerous dodgy sexual exploits. So let’s not ride any high horses in regards to Hillary, she has proved that she is just as capable of exploiting humans for her own ends as much as the next rich capitalist.

    • Colonial Viper 8.1
      10 October 2016 at 10:19 am

      If Trump’s team didn’t complete a full opposition research exercise on Trump six months ago, he’s going to be in for a very interesting ride in the next couple of weeks from the Clinton/MSM smear machine.

      • TheExtremist 8.1.1
        10 October 2016 at 10:24 am

        What you call “smear machine” is really just “What Trump actually said”

      • Garibaldi 8.1.2
        10 October 2016 at 11:33 am

        Hi CV. I know it’s a case of ‘que sera, sera’ with this election, but have these latest skeletons in Trump’s cupboard changed your confidence in the final outcome?
        Strikes me Trump will have to come firing confidently on all cylinders this arfo, and I don’t really think he’s up to it.

        • Garibaldi 8.1.2.1
          10 October 2016 at 11:36 am

          Help – where’s the edit facility gone ?

        • Colonial Viper 8.1.2.2
          10 October 2016 at 11:38 am

          It’s looking critically bad for the Don I admit, and Hillary is by far the more experienced and prepared debate performer. Still, I’m not changing my call yet.

          • Lanthanide 8.1.2.2.1
            10 October 2016 at 12:05 pm

            Your call that he’s going to win with 280-290 EVs.

            Basically for Trump to win, the polls all have to be seriously off. 538 have done quite a lot of analysis on how the polls could possibly be off – eg a whole lot of people who haven’t previously voted turning out for Trump. So far there’s no evidence that that is actually happening.

            • Colonial Viper 8.1.2.2.1.1
              10 October 2016 at 12:24 pm

              Your call that he’s going to win with 280-290 EVs.

              Indeed, and closer to 290 than to 280 is my prediction.

              Yep, fully get that the polls according to Real Clear Politics and others show Trump cruising for a bruising come Nov 8.

              Will Trump’s result look like the Carter vs Reagan result in 1980? Reagan got 489 vs a destroyed Carter’s 49 electoral votes.

              • Lanthanide …
                10 October 2016 at 12:54 pm

                On 538’s modelling, the most likely single outcome at the moment is Hillary getting approx 360 EVs.

              • Liberal Realist …
                10 October 2016 at 7:15 pm

                You don’t think the Dem’s won’t pull out dirty tricks in the face of a close count in one or more swing states? That said I wouldn’t put it past the Repug’s either (remember 2000?).

                However in this election cycle it has been the Dem’s pulling the (most publicised/leaked) dirty tricks and by all appearances are the establishment pick to rule for the next 4 years.

      • RedLogix 8.1.3
        10 October 2016 at 11:39 am

        And what do you think Donald Trump, Bill Clinton and say … Aaron Smith … share in common? Whether Trump was talking about non-consensual assault, or merely the usual inflated sense of alpha male sexual entitlement isn’t clear from the context, but his insoluble problem now is that he’s been caught gloating about it.

        And for most people that’s a vulgarity too far. It’s something they really didn’t want to hear about, and every time he tries to attack on Bill’s Clinton’s record, rightly or wrongly, it’s only going to remind people. Logically this would have been the absolute finish of any candidate other than DT.

        Logically Trump’s best tactic at this point is to take the high road in the debate, but then again by nature Trump is a scrapper, so anything is possible.

        Reminds me of a global marketing meeting I attended a long time ago. Two pretty senior US execs got REALLY hot with each other. All the non-Americans in the room were mortified, we thought they were literally within seconds of a bare-knuckle brawl, but a few hours later there they both were at the bar drinking and laughing like the best of mates. A lot of Americans will recognise this quality in Trump, a willingness to go all out, even dirty, to win; but very pragmatic about patching up the bumps and bruises afterwards.

        If you’re not from New York you likely don’t get how New-Yorkers talk, if you’re not from the USA you likely don’t get a lot of the complex cultural clues and values on display here, and if you are a progressive liberal … Trump is just irredeemably goddamn awful. So it’s very hard for us to accurately measure what the electoral responses to all this are going to be.

        Trump more than anything else has triggered the deep anti-establishment, anti-liberal sentiment live in the American electorate. Fundamentally every time the liberal establishment dumps on him, it strengthens his hand. Still the chaos election.

        • Colonial Viper 8.1.3.1
          10 October 2016 at 11:54 am

          When you talked about the two Americans I guessed that they were from New York…they can have a very no holds barred kind of phraseology even to get ordinary points of conversation across…

          • Tiger Mountain 8.1.3.1.1
            10 October 2016 at 2:02 pm

            you’re shitting us, you fucker CV,

            [Stephanie: There’s no need for that level of pointless abuse. Consider this a warning to disagree firmly, but more sensibly, in future.]

            [TM’s not the kind of commenter to use pointless abuse. I’m picking it was actually satire related to CV’s comment about how New Yorkers converse. TRP]

        • joe90 8.1.3.2
          10 October 2016 at 11:58 am

          if you’re not from the USA you likely don’t get a lot of the complex cultural clues and values on display

          And then you watch them eat, fork in hand with a fucking towel in their collar shoveling it down……

          • Andre 8.1.3.2.1
            10 October 2016 at 12:26 pm

            First time I went out to lunch with a new colleague in Wisconsin, 6’4″ and 220lb ex-military, and his petite British-Indian wife. Our burgers arrive, and she announces very loudly “This is why Americans are all fat and have big mouths”. To this day I still don’t understand how we survived that one.

            • joe90 8.1.3.2.1.1
              10 October 2016 at 12:33 pm

              Not to say all are like that but my mum often had friends from the US staying and by dog, sometimes it was like watching a toddler in a high chair eat canned spaghetti.

        • Phil 8.1.3.3
          10 October 2016 at 12:33 pm

          [Trump is] very pragmatic about patching up the bumps and bruises afterwards.

          Trump has been in a decade long feud with Rosie O’Donnell. He launched into an overnight twitter tirade directed at a miss universe winner from twenty years ago. His unrepentant position on birther-ism lasted more than four years beyond Obama’s publication of his long-form birth certificate.

          Trump’s only record is one of being a petulant child.

          But, more importantly, his New Yorkness doesn’t, IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER excuse, or make acceptable, or make justifiable, his bragging about sexually assaulting women.

    • Anne 8.2
      10 October 2016 at 10:58 am

      She has supported and defended her husband in his numerous dodgy sexual exploits.

      Actually how do we know that for sure Adrian Thornton? Of course she supported and defended him in public. But I bet behind the scenes it was a different story. That is how most women cope with such situations and it is not for us to knock them for it. Any woman who has been in such a position – albeit in a marriage or lengthy relationship – is going to feel hurt and humiliated but the last thing they want is for there to be a public slanging match. All the more so if they are public figures.

      I recall at the time of the Lewinsky affair that Hillary Clinton behaved with dignity and maturity. It is a mark in her favour… even if I do have question marks about her in a political sense.

      • Pasupial 8.2.1
        10 October 2016 at 11:17 am

        Divorce is bad, argue Christian leaders, because marriage is forever. And yet, somehow when the Clintons stay together, it’s a moral failing… Many Evangelical leaders who criticized Bill Clinton’s affairs now endorse Donald Trump, who boasted of his own affairs in his book “The Art of the Deal.” Writing in the Atlantic, Jonathan Merritt asks, “How exactly do evangelicals reconcile this behavior with claims that they value respect for women?”

        The answer seems to fall along party lines. An enduring marriage, even when modeled so solidly by the Clintons, seems to be denied the label of “Christian” — not for lack of faith on the Clintons’ part, but for a lack of grace in those who hold them in judgment.

        http://www.salon.com/2016/10/09/the-clintons-christian-marriage-the-staggering-evangelical-hypocrisy-over-hillarys-refusal-to-divorce-bill/

        • Macro 8.2.1.1
          10 October 2016 at 11:33 am

          This is true to a point if we were to consider only evangelical and Roman catholics as the true incumbents of Christianity. Fortunately there are more liberal interpretations of the the teachings of Christ which recognise that living in an unloving or abusive relationship is not a requirement for a healthy spiritual life.

          • McFlock 8.2.1.1.1
            10 October 2016 at 11:53 am

            lol not touching that one with a 40ft bargepole 🙂

          • ropata 8.2.1.1.2
            10 October 2016 at 10:02 pm

            +1 Macro
            The *public* face of Christianity in America is nothing like the example of Christ, much more like that of the Pharisees who ended up killing him.
            But Christian faith in the USA is far wider than the Fox News caricature.

            • Colonial Viper 8.2.1.1.2.1
              10 October 2016 at 10:21 pm

              Do you know the name given to that which uses the name of Christ, the imagery and language of Christ and of Christianity, but whose aim, practice and intent is diametrically opposite to the wishes and example of Christ?

              That’s your answer.

      • Macro 8.2.2
        10 October 2016 at 11:18 am

        ^^^^^ THIS

      • Leftie 8.2.3
        10 October 2016 at 12:04 pm

        +1 Anne.

        • Observer Tokoroa 8.2.3.1
          11 October 2016 at 2:07 am

          .
          .”She has supported and defended her husband in his numerous dodgy sexual exploits.”

          . Hi Anne

          It is so good that you have asked for facts from the strange people who say that Hillary Clinton “has supported and defended her husband in his numerous dodgy sexual exploits”.

          The real problem is that a number of male and female commentators on here want Donald Trump and certainly not a woman President.

          Led along expertly by the small mind of Colonial Viper, these besmirches of Hilary Clinton appear to have more than a few personal problems.

          I mean, to accuse Hillary of supporting Bill Clinton’s sexual predation is about as low as you can go. It says more about the these slavish CV followers, than it does about the accomplished Hillary Clinton.

          Good on you Anne. Hopefully the CV groupies on here will lift their standards above the slum level they share with each other.
          .

  9. te reo putake 9
    10 October 2016 at 12:06 pm

    CNN has dug out an interview with Trump from ’99. Back then the Donald reckoned Hillary was a good woman and Bill was the victim of a smear campaign.

    Best line:

    “But the whole group — it’s truly an unattractive cast of characters. Linda Tripp, Lucianne Goldberg, I mean, this woman, I watch her on television. She is so bad. The whole group, Paula Jones, Lewinsky, it’s just a really unattractive group. I’m not just talking about physical.”

    “I’m not just talking about physical.” Classy stuff.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/09/politics/trump-clinton-sex-then-vs-now/index.html

  10. joe90 10
    10 October 2016 at 12:44 pm

    On Pence….

    At some point, someone in the nat'l media will discover the name Glenda Ritz. Trump praises dictators, but Pence actually behaved like one.— Melissa McEwan (@Shakestweetz) October 9, 2016

    1. Glenda Ritz, a Democrat, was elected in 2012 to be Indiana’s Superintendent of Public Instruction. She was a huge underdog.— Melissa McEwan (@Shakestweetz) October 9, 2016

    ……through to 16

    https://twitter.com/Shakestweetz/status/784992488067043328

  11. joe90 11
    10 October 2016 at 1:05 pm

    Van Jones clears the boundary, the stands and into the middle of Buckle St – if Trump were black.

    https://www.facebook.com/vanjones/videos/10154585323119910/

    • Phil 11.1
      10 October 2016 at 5:57 pm

      Joe – you might have shared the most important 13 minutes of video produced in the entire presidential campaign.

      I salute you.

  12. Infused 12
    10 October 2016 at 1:17 pm

    South Park is on point this season. Giant douche and turd sandwich.

  13. TheExtremist 13
    10 October 2016 at 1:42 pm

    Love the Obama video. You know, say what you like about his policies (particularly his international intervention policies) he will go down as the president with the most swag.

    Obama the person is legitimately funny and generally pretty awesome. I think he’ll be remembered well in history

    • alwyn 13.1
      10 October 2016 at 5:35 pm

      I really hope that you don’t mean this in the original meaning of the word “swag”.
      Then it meant “stolen goods”.
      I think Bill Clinton and his spending of funds from his foundation would top anything Obama could possibly have been up to.

      • McFlock 13.1.1
        10 October 2016 at 5:46 pm

        lol

        Rely on an archaic meaning to go off with an outright lie, enabled by a simple comment about Obama’s style.

        I think you’d better go file an official complaint with the cops, Alwyn – when suave was being handed out, Obama obviously stole your share (and then some).

      • TheExtremist 13.1.2
        10 October 2016 at 5:49 pm

        Swag as in swagger

  14. TheExtremist 14
    10 October 2016 at 2:07 pm

    Trumps guests to the debate are the woman who accused Bill Clinton of sexual assaults. Stay classy Trump…

  15. mauī 15
    10 October 2016 at 2:30 pm

    I see this is going to be a fair debate… First question is do you set a good example for youth. Second question is a grilling from CNNs Anderson Cooper about Trumps latest sexist video. CNN winning this debate already.

  16. joe90 16
    10 October 2016 at 2:36 pm

    There’s that sniffle she don’t lie, she don’t lie, again.

  17. ianmac 17
    10 October 2016 at 3:02 pm

    Actually Trump is delivering pretty well and Clinton is on the defence. Her body talk is uncomfortable. Grin is a grimace. Not a Clinton walk over. Trump may have diminished the anti-woman meme to some degree.

    • TheExtremist 17.1
      10 October 2016 at 3:05 pm

      He is def doing better but so is Clinton. More fireworks this time than last

    • Pasupial 17.2
      10 October 2016 at 3:18 pm

      Some of Clinton’s smiles have looked unforced, I haven’t seen more than a smirk from Trump. I imagine that the antiwoman thread is likely to be brought up again by the end.

      • Pasupial 17.2.1
        10 October 2016 at 3:49 pm

        She did actually get a genuine smile from Trump by complimenting his family. And then turned it into a declaration of her having; “spent 30 years, actually a little more trying to help kids and families”. His praising of her for virtues he wishes to be associated with; “She doesn’t quit, she doesn’t give up. I respect that”, was weak in comparison. Definitely think she made the best of the final exchange – which with the recency effect is most likely to stick with people.

        [edit. Just saw this in reactions over on the Guardian:]

        “She doesn’t quit, she doesn’t give up, she’s a fighter.” Isn’t that called…stamina?

        https://twitter.com/JessicaValenti?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

        The rest of it was pretty grim and murky. I’d give it to Clinton because by acting as such a swaggering bully onstage, Trump did nothing to dispel his sexual predator image. Nowhere near as clearcut as first debate though (maybe because I had the sound on this time).

  18. Pasupial 18
    10 October 2016 at 3:12 pm

    There’s been some seriously strange camera work this debate. Sure the candidates have been moving around a bit, but it can’t be that difficult to simply hold focus on a static individual!

    • joe90 18.1
      10 October 2016 at 3:21 pm

      They can’t, he’s standing behind her scowling, interrupting her, stalking her on stage….much like he does to anyone he bullies I’d imagine.

      • seeker 18.1.1
        10 October 2016 at 11:25 pm

        @joe90 3.21pm
        Such a good description of Trump’s ghastly behaviour during the debate.
        Not to mention his bad manners displaying his lack of respect for HC in that rather than use her name he referred to her continuously as “she” .
        I was never allowed to use ‘she’ by my parents when growing up. “Who’s ‘she’? The cat’s mother?” my mum would say.

        I never realised how gratingly denigrating that word could sound until I heard Trump today. Clinton used his name and and showed she had presence and manners if nothing else.

        They say manners maketh man. Well today one could see how true that was.

        There was only one ‘man’ in the debate, and it certainly wasn’t Donald.

  19. Cinny 19
    10 October 2016 at 3:20 pm

    By crikey, Trump has walked all over Hillary, telling Americans exactly what they want to hear, laying out a few shockers.

    Hillary has done very well not crying

    God help America. Trump will win more votes for this.

    Trump even attempted to appeal to the ‘Bernie’ voters. Double Dang.

    First class entertainment live from the USA.

    Is any of this real? Tune in for the next episode…

    Ratings will be THROUGH THE ROOF on any networks broadcasting it.

    There’s gonna be some cracker sound bites.

    Paddy will be fizzing, he was fizzing so hard with his archive soundbite this morning I thought he was gonna pee his pants.

    It’s all very funny, until one realises that one of them will be President of the USA… and so it continues…

    • Colonial Viper 19.1
      10 October 2016 at 4:10 pm

      Lock her up! Lock her up! 😛

      • Chooky 19.1.1
        10 October 2016 at 4:29 pm

        lol…GO Trump!

        i didnt watch the debate but I did watch this from a Bernie Sanders supporter:

        ‘Actress Susan Sarandon destroys Hillary Clinton’

        “Clinton scarier than Trump”

      • Cinny 19.1.2
        10 October 2016 at 4:32 pm

        Lmfao, when he wins, because the really major players would rather it be Trump (he’s driven by fortune and adoration, perfect puppet) Hills is gonna go down. And she will go down hard, Bill too. She’s going to jail lolololz.

        Donald exposed an exploit at the end, his children. The way to hurt him, do it through his kids, not the wife, use the kids, the ultimate in dirty politics.

        Key boards will be humming over at camp Killary, digging away, people will be out on convert op’s listening to conversations, desperate for any information. A special team will be attempting to shut down any negative feedback on the social media via paid keyboard warriors with carefully worded scripts.

        And the crowd cheered louder, even when they were told to quieten down, baying for another swipe at the Clinton Dynasty. Looking forward to the film, Baldwin to play Donald, give the man an Oscar already 🙂 America is sooo screwed.

        Donald was the winner on the day, he said jack shit about any real policy, but he won, and sowed seeds of hate towards the Clintons for Americans aural pleasure. Twisted

        All and all today’s events make a nice little distraction for the masses me thinks 😉
        Wonder if NZ mainstream media will spin it for a weeks worth of distractions?

        Parliament is back tomorrow, another circus to behold. At least it’s sunny 🙂

        Thankies for the link Chooky, nice one

      • joe90 19.1.3
        10 October 2016 at 4:37 pm

        Lock her up! Lock her up!

        Well I suppose Trump threatening to jail his political opponent would be hilarious to someone who admires a man who does just that to his political opponents, if they’re lucky.
        /

  20. mosa 20
    10 October 2016 at 3:28 pm

    Looks like not paying Fed taxes for years has been replaced with salacious sexual content for Trump.
    It’s a strange campaign but certainly not boring.
    What next ?

  21. joe90 21
    10 October 2016 at 3:37 pm

    Please let this be true.

    Update: We now have 4 sources confirming Pence is leaving the ticket. We linked 2 of them up with press. @KeepAmerGr8 #debate https://t.co/Euv5amrqrN— Scott Dworkin (@funder) October 10, 2016

  22. joe90 22
    10 October 2016 at 3:40 pm

    Oh yeah, he’s sincere.
    /

    @realDonaldTrump talks about African Americans yet turned down meetings with the NAACP, NABJ and Urban League. #debate— Eli Williams (@EliWilllliams) October 10, 2016

  23. Macro 23
    10 October 2016 at 3:59 pm

    My fav tweet so far:

    A Republican just texted to say Democrats should be happy–that Trump did enough to stop Republicans from trying to force him to step down.

  24. te reo putake 24
    10 October 2016 at 4:01 pm

    I’d say a draw or maybe even a lean toward Trump, who wasn’t as bad as he was in the first debate. He started as if he was on firm instructions not get shouty, then got shouty anyway.

    After the 30 minute mark, the debate centred more around issues of concern to the public, rather than politicking, and HC and Trump both came across as having done their homework and Trump looked almost convincing at times. Last 30 minutes Hillary was coasting, knowing nothing bad had happened to hurt her chances.

    Trump needed a big, big win today. He didn’t get it.

    The question of the day is ‘Where’s Mike Pence?’

    • TheExtremist 24.1
      10 October 2016 at 4:08 pm

      I would say Trump won at not losing if you follow.

    • Blackcap 24.2
      10 October 2016 at 6:49 pm

      If one looks at the betting markets then it was an overwhelming win for Trump.

      That said he is still an outsider to win but he now has a chance, before the debate it was as if the writing was on the wall.

      • miravox 24.2.1
        11 October 2016 at 12:55 am

        Apparently if one looks at the Mexican currency (a betting market for sure) then it was an overwhelming win for Clinton.

        • Colonial Viper 24.2.1.1
          11 October 2016 at 1:11 am

          Yes, absolutely. Wall St does agree with your conclusion that the debate “was an overwhelming win for Clinton.”

          Accordingly, the market makers, brokerages and billion dollar hedge funds were very pleased with Clinton’s performance and put their market money where her mouth is.

          • miravox 24.2.1.1.1
            11 October 2016 at 2:11 am

            hmm – with that 2nd para are you suggesting currency gamblers are placing their buy they want Clinton to win rather than because they think they’ll make money on a short term trade?

            I reckon if they thought Trump was winning, they’d place money where Trump’s mouth was – that would just be in the other direction.

            • Colonial Viper 24.2.1.1.1.1
              11 October 2016 at 10:09 am

              A big wall and high protective import duties are going to be very bad for the Mexican economy and Mexican based companies. It seems that the financial markets don’t think that Trump will be in power to make those things happen.

  25. McFlock 25
    10 October 2016 at 4:08 pm

    Didn’t hear all of it, but it seemed a bit more even than last time. He managed to try to stick to a couple of prepared angles, although they weren’t exactly subtle.
    His natural trumpishness merely showed through rather than generally stood out 🙂

    Clinton seemed a bit more tested, as well – not on the ropes, but had to address some solid questions on policy.

    I’ll be interested to see if he 3am tweets this one 🙂

    • fender 25.1
      10 October 2016 at 10:43 pm

      I heard a little extract where he had his cocaine nose-job thing going on again like in the first debate, so the 3am tweets are bound to be forthcoming.

  26. stunned mullet 26
    10 October 2016 at 4:08 pm

    For righties

    Choice between Hillary, Donald and Helen Clark how would you vote ?

    For lefties

    Choice between Hillary, Donald and John Key how would you vote ?

  27. jcuknz 27
    10 October 2016 at 4:10 pm

    I wonder how many actually watched?
    Missed the first one on purpose decided to watch 2nd and glad I did. **
    I still hope Trump wins if only to see what happens.
    Not sure which of them is worse .. Americans have a tough choice.

    ** Thanks for the link TRP and Lprent 🙂

  28. Guerilla Surgeon 28
    10 October 2016 at 4:27 pm

    I can’t see much sense in attacking Bill Clinton. Bill is not actually running. He still has pretty good approval ratings even so. Although it’s interesting that the religious right seem to condemn Hillary for sticking with the man, it also condemns divorce. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

  29. joe90 29
    10 October 2016 at 4:30 pm

    …..sniff….

    @carrieffisher tell me something about that sniffle…coke head or no?— Amy R (@reimamy) October 10, 2016

    @reimamy I'm an expert & ABSOLUTELY— Carrie Fisher (@carrieffisher) October 10, 2016

  30. Ad 30
    10 October 2016 at 5:16 pm

    CNN post-election debate:
    Trump did less-than-bad, but Hillary beat him handsomely

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/09/politics/clinton-wins-debate-but-trump-exceeds-expectations/index.html

    • alwyn 30.1
      10 October 2016 at 5:41 pm

      God, I hope CNN are correct and not Martyn Bradbury.
      He appears to think that “Oh God no! Trump beats Hillary in second debate”.
      Please, please let him be as wrong as he usually is.
      I don’t actually like Clinton but Trump really scares me.

      • TheExtremist 30.1.1
        10 October 2016 at 5:47 pm

        Bomber is wrong about nearly everything so no need to worry

        • Morrissey 30.1.1.1
          11 October 2016 at 7:25 am

          In fact, Bomber is correct. Trump called her bluff on her violent anti-Russian rhetoric perfectly: he correctly pointed out that the Assad government and Russia are fighting Al Qaeda, and that the United States is backing Al Qaeda.

          All of Clinton’s bluster and sardonic smiling could not cover that up.

          • te reo putake 30.1.1.1.1
            11 October 2016 at 7:40 am

            ” … he correctly pointed out that the Assad government and Russia are fighting the Syrian medical system one hospital at a time”.

            Fixed it fot ya, Moz. No thanks needed.

            • left for dead 30.1.1.1.1.1
              11 October 2016 at 10:38 am

              No thanks needed.

              No one asked for that type of “so called ” help.
              Is this to be the trp site, in the near future.

              • te reo putake …
                11 October 2016 at 12:09 pm

                This is a multi author blog. The stats on readership and comments suggest my contributions add value to the site, but there are many others who contribute as authors and commenters and make TS the success that it is. You might want to consider how you could make your own contributions more memorable before attacking a regular.

                Morrissey and I go back years and you’ll see from his reply below, he gives as good as he gets. I’ll keep offering my help to him, just as I expect him to try and educate me from time to time.

                If your argument is really that the Russians are on the side of the angels, well, more fool you.

                • left for dead …
                  11 October 2016 at 1:02 pm

                  You might want to consider how you could make your own contributions more memorable before attacking a regular.

                  I am a regular, and I wasn’t attacking you, just pointing out the that comments such as 30.1.1.1.1 is your view not what had been said by Bomber.
                  Pointless abuse is unhelpful. You have made that point many times here in the past. Got it. 👿

            • Morrissey 30.1.1.1.1.2
              11 October 2016 at 11:19 am

              Te Reo, you haven’t addressed these central points, and I have no doubt you will for some reason avoid answering them, so I’m putting them to people who are serious:

              1.) Is the United States, along with its vassals Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the United Kingdom, supporting Al Qaeda in Syria?

              2.) Have these four powers been involved in this bloody insurrection since 2011?

              3.) Does the United States have a history of pushing outrageous disinformation, such as the almost immediately discredited lie that the Syrian government had used chemical weapons?

              4.) Are the Syrian government and Russia fighting Al Qaeda in Syria?

              Unless you have the dedication of a true fanatic to the party line of the aggressors in this conflict, you will answer yes to all four questions.

              • te reo putake …
                11 October 2016 at 12:11 pm

                No, no, yes but no, no.

                • Morrissey …
                  11 October 2016 at 12:21 pm

                  Te Reo, your flippancy with matters of truth and falsehood does you no credit.

                  • te reo putake …
                    11 October 2016 at 1:39 pm

                    And there was I thinking my simple and mostly unequivocal answers* were entirely truthful and avoided falsehood. Would you have preferred I didn’t answer your questions?

                    *No.3 was a two parter, obviously.

                    • McFlock …
                      11 October 2016 at 1:46 pm

                      I suspect your role in the debate was to accept Morrissey’s declamations with applause and gratitude, you delusional ingrate.

              • Colonial Viper …
                11 October 2016 at 1:45 pm

                1.) Is the United States, along with its vassals Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the United Kingdom, supporting Al Qaeda in Syria?

                Of course they are. Qatar is a big player here too.

                Their aim is to use Al Qaeda in Syria (also known as al-Nusra) as a proxy force to regime change Assad out of Damascus.

                The western allies can then deal with the the Jihadists at their leisure once Assad is gone.

                And from the Saudi Foreign Minister’s own words:

                Saudi Arabia’s foreign minister said on Saturday that his country would continue to support Syrian rebels if President Bashar al-Assad could not be removed through a political process.

                http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-saudi-idUSKCN0T31A320151114

                Most people realise nowadays that Saudi Arabia has been spreading Islamic extremism and jihadist terrorism around the world.

                And with the passing of the JASTA bill in the USA, the families of 9/11 victims will finally be able to get some recompense for the terrorist supporting actions of Saudi officials.

                • McFlock …
                  11 October 2016 at 1:53 pm

                  [deleted]

                  not fucking worth it.

                  • Colonial Viper …
                    11 October 2016 at 3:38 pm

                    I could also point you to the 2012 DIA report which states explicitly how the Gulf states intend to use Islamic extremist forces to destabilise Syria and set up a Salafist principality, breaking Syria apart.

                    • McFlock …
                      11 October 2016 at 4:13 pm

                      Only because RT told you so. You probably haven’t actually read it, and if you had you wouldn’t understand it.

                      But I was more wondering why 9/11 families would want to sue Saudi Arabia, if the towers had actually been destroyed by pre-installed charges of nanothermite and the US had fabricated cellphone calls from passengers in order to promote the hijacking hoax. Hadn’t you been arguing shit like that for a few years, and now all of a sudden it WAS a mostly bunch of Saudi and Saudi-backed hijackers?

    • One Two 30.2
      10 October 2016 at 10:40 pm

      CNN…..Jesus Christ!

      Surely you understand it is a Democrat leaning network and had been for decades

      What else would you expect ‘their poll’ to say..

      Clinton got crushed badly. They all did!

      It’s a staged circus though for which the script will be well enough controlled

      Like WWE, but without the talent!

    • Colonial Viper 30.3
      10 October 2016 at 11:14 pm

      Trump did less-than-bad, but Hillary beat him handsomely

      Yep. Huffington Post’s headline is “Don in Flames.”

      Of course, this is just the liberal left echo chamber congratulating itself on Clinton having already won the election handsomely.

      • marty mars 30.3.1
        10 October 2016 at 11:49 pm

        Yep and the right wing dingbats have trump for the win – who really cares. The lines as drawn and the sideshow is ending

      • RedLogix 30.3.2
        11 October 2016 at 12:20 am

        Just finished watching it all. A fascinating insight into the cultural battle for the heart of the USA. Two entirely different ways at looking at the world, both did an forceful and capable job of advocating them. Yes the debate had some very pointed moments, although it’s worth noting it was Clinton who went openly personal first.

        Keep in mind these are two families who know each other well. Donald and Bill used to be long time golfing buddies. The families attend each other’s weddings and so on. One can only speculate on the intense personal, human dynamics going on here.

        Clinton’s policy platform is the far more attractive and rational; yet Trump is the natural circuit-breaker needed and his performance here demonstrates this.

        Interesting also how Trump made a direct appeal to the Sander’s vote on three separate occasions.

        I still cannot stomach either of them, but It occurs to me that if we could morph the better parts of each we might finish up with a half decent President. Maybe they could job share. 🙂

        • Colonial Viper 30.3.2.1
          11 October 2016 at 12:43 am

          Here’s an interesting thing – the more personal the pressure and fierce the criticism that is directed at Trump, the more he pulls it together, the more he focusses and the more tightly he performs.

          Also – Trump is on a huge learning curve: Hillary has been doing campaign debates for a long time and for sure is the more prepared and the more polished. Where will Trump be on the curve by the time of debate 3?

          • joe90 30.3.2.1.1
            11 October 2016 at 1:11 am

            Did you notice the denials deliberately elicited from your boy?.

            Videos tomorrow.

            • Colonial Viper 30.3.2.1.1.1
              11 October 2016 at 1:16 am

              Yes I reckon that the Clinton campaign machine (helped by the Deep State) has a massive machine gun belt of stored up smear material on Trump ready to be fired in his direction.

              His team needs to be ready; this week they were not and Trump got hit hard and deservedly so.

              • Lanthanide …
                11 October 2016 at 7:28 am

                Yes, a massive smear machine consisting of Trump’s own candid remarks and financial statements that every other candidate has always willingly published.

                The more the public learn about Trump, the less they like him.

                The first poll conducted only on the weekend, put Trump down on 36%.

                • TheExtremist …
                  11 October 2016 at 9:01 am

                  In CV’s world things people actually say and do are smears and Hillary Clinton having Parkinson’s disease are facts

              • RedLogix …
                11 October 2016 at 8:53 am

                Another key moment was when Clinton was drawn into committing the US into directly attacking Syrian govt forces, while Trump made it plain that “Syria is Russia”.

                Based on their words in this debate alone, Clinton was by far the more hawkish on a war with Russia. That alone absolutely renders her unfit for President in my mind. Trump is welcome to make as many vulgar, demeaning remarks as he likes … they’re still way preferable to another re-run of the Cuban Missile crisis. (Which apparently only had a happy ending due to the guts of one very brave Russian submarine officer.)

                a massive machine gun belt of stored up smear material on Trump ready to be fired in his direction.

                We’re not far away from having the technology to record and store every word, action and electronic transaction of every person from birth to death, 24/7/365. Everyone standing for high public office should have their database opened for public scrutiny a year in advance.

                • Colonial Viper …
                  11 October 2016 at 9:32 am

                  Everyone standing for high public office should have their database opened for public scrutiny a year in advance.

                  Would someone like Phil Goff running for Mayor of Auckland be subject to this requirement?

                  If an automated reporting system is available to collate such records on candidates (or anyone else – a system I think which is already 95% in place), how will it be controlled so that authorities could not use it in inappropriate ways? Think Judith Collins and worse…

                  • RedLogix …
                    11 October 2016 at 9:45 am

                    Everyone. The lot. Sex lives and all. Zero privacy. Far more honest than the very selective privacy that is only really available to the very wealthy and powerful at present.

                    • Colonial Viper …
                      11 October 2016 at 1:51 pm

                      That’s a different NZ society than the one we have today, for sure.

                    • RedLogix …
                      11 October 2016 at 2:53 pm

                      Yes it is CV. You can tell I’m being just a little provocative here, but inevitably as ubiquitous surveillance becomes the norm these questions will become serious.

                      Look at it like this. Either you have 100% transparency, or 100% privacy. Anything in between involves selecting what is public or private. And that always begs the question; who does the selecting?

                      For the moment I’m going with 100% transparency as the simplest answer.

                • Macro …
                  11 October 2016 at 1:55 pm

                  Jesus Red! Are you really wanting to let a sexual maniac loose in the White House? Not only is he an arrogant blustering misogynist, but and ignorant one at that, with not a single policy for his country other than to give the elite a massive tax break (oh! himself included! surprise! surprise!)
                  Can you imagine him at 3 am in the morning, in his cups, and a red alert? The result would be an absolute catastrophe world wide!
                  I have no time for Hillary Clinton but my god I fear for the world if he ever gets to be POTUS.

                  • RedLogix …
                    11 October 2016 at 2:48 pm

                    Nope. Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein, Elizabeth Warren are my “really wanting” choices.

                    But sadly only Stein is on the ballot papers.

                    • Macro …
                      11 October 2016 at 3:23 pm

                      Mine too but Jill Stein is running at 1% in the polls 🙁
                      So offered the choice of Melanoma or Schizophrenia which do you choose?

                    • RedLogix …
                      11 October 2016 at 3:36 pm

                      Well that’s my point really; just because I pick melanoma doesn’t mean we can’t have an honest discussion about schizophrenia. Nor the reasons why some people, in good faith, want to pick schizophrenia.

                      Or to be a tad droll … facing catastrophe does rather free the mind.

                    • Pasupial …
                      11 October 2016 at 3:52 pm

                      Jill Stein answers the same questions in this “expanded debate” over on Democracy Now (Gary Johnson was asked but was a no show). It’s interesting enough so far, but nearly two hours long! Even skipping past the bits I saw yesterday I’m not that far through yet

                      http://www.democracynow.org/shows/2016/10/10

              • Chooky …
                11 October 2016 at 9:10 am

                I am sure Trump also has ammunition…just look at how he dealt to Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz at the last minute

                Clintons have form from way back and Hillary is complicit. She is no fool.

                ‘The Secret Life of Bill Clinton: The Unreported Stories ‘ (October 1, 1997)

                by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Life_of_Bill_Clinton

                • marty mars …
                  11 October 2016 at 9:25 am

                  News flash – he’s not running, he already had his turn at pres.

                  • Colonial Viper …
                    11 October 2016 at 9:35 am

                    The perp and his enabler/clean up crew.

                    • marty mars …
                      11 October 2016 at 9:50 am

                      Well done that made me laugh out loud in the real world. You sound like an idiot wannabe with your googled jargon techno speak. It fools only the fool-able.

                  • Siobhan …
                    11 October 2016 at 1:54 pm

                    Yeah, but how about a Hillary-Bill double billing

                    “Mrs. Clinton told voters in Kentucky on Sunday that Mr. Clinton would be “in charge of revitalizing the economy, because, you know, he knows how to do it,” especially “in places like coal country and inner cities.” On a campaign swing this month before the West Virginia primary, she said her husband has “got to come out of retirement and be in charge” of creating jobs.”

                    Thats a touch more involved than previous ‘First Lady’ roles.

                • Psycho Milt …
                  11 October 2016 at 2:03 pm

                  I am sure Trump also has ammunition…

                  Well, he would if Bill Clinton were somehow able to take a second run at the presidency. Given how much money the Republicans have “invested” in trying to get dirt on Hillary Clinton over a period of nearly 25 years, with no notable success, it’s not likely that Trump’s going to find something.

          • Lanthanide 30.3.2.1.2
            11 October 2016 at 7:25 am

            There’s a fair chance that debate 3 will be cancelled. Meanwhile, you still think Trump will win.

            🙄

            • Colonial Viper 30.3.2.1.2.1
              11 October 2016 at 9:37 am

              Do you think that either Clinton or Trump would benefit from the effect of such a cancellation, or would the result be a wash-up?

            • Phil 30.3.2.1.2.2
              11 October 2016 at 3:39 pm

              There’s a fair chance that debate 3 will be cancelled.

              By ‘fair’, do you mean something close to zero?. Clinton is doing a perfectly adequate job of stating her case to the US-center while letting Trump ‘shit the bed’.

              If the debate is cancelled it’ll be for something outside the control of the candidates (like a natural disaster or terrorist attack).

              • Lanthanide …
                11 October 2016 at 5:10 pm

                Trump’s campaign could completely fall apart, eg Pence could quit and the Republican elites could actively disown him. Just requires the right scandal for him.

                Clinton might then say that there’s no need for a debate with Trump and that she won’t sully herself on the same stage, and do something else instead, or just not do anything.

  31. right on 31
    10 October 2016 at 5:23 pm

    john key should be more like trump we need a trump here to sort out the poor who are pulling new zealand down

    [read the moderation notice here https://thestandard.org.nz/cross-party-inquiry-into-homelessness-releases-report-government-must-act/#comment-1242965 You’ll be let out of premed when you can reply to this message saying you’ve understood. – weka]

    • Anne 31.1
      10 October 2016 at 7:09 pm

      You’ll be let out of preschool once you’ve had some grammar, punctuation and comprehension lessons.

      • Chromophore 31.1.1
        11 October 2016 at 6:56 pm

        A shame that you would criticise someone’s grammar and punctuation as a way of dissing their point of view.
        Is there test that should be sat before commenting on TS?
        It’s the kind of thing Trump would do.

    • Grafton Gully 31.2
      10 October 2016 at 8:27 pm

      At 1:08:23 Hillary says “My vision of America is an America where everyone has a place if you’re prepared to work hard”. If you think hard work will “sort out the poor” Hillary might agree with you.

      • Colonial Viper 31.2.1
        11 October 2016 at 9:39 am

        Bill Clinton smashed the US welfare system during his term, including putting through changes depriving millions of American children in the poorest households of social welfare payments.

        Just so you know.

        • Macro 31.2.1.1
          11 October 2016 at 1:42 pm

          Trump of course will restore it as well as slashing taxes for the super wealthy.

          • Colonial Viper 31.2.1.1.1
            11 October 2016 at 3:28 pm

            No one is going to restore it, Macro. Well, except for maybe Bernie, but he sold out/got bought off.

  32. johnm 32
    11 October 2016 at 10:36 am

    Trump Crushes Clinton And Her Memorized Soundbites

    Without Her Rigged Podium And MicroTeleprompter, Clinton Was A Two-Faced, Two Dimensional, Tired, Hackneyed, Has-Been…A Political Farce…A Caricature Of The Failed, Deadly, Liberal Policies That Have All But Destroyed America. The Fraud click bait Media Is In Shock…Watch How They Will Squirm Trying To Explain Away Trump’s Astonishing Performance. How Could He Still Be Standing After Their Savage Abuse Of The Last Year And A Half. How Could He Have Dominated The Stage So Strongly And With Such Resolve And Stature…Especially After Having Been Ambushed, Pummeled And Put Through Such Contrived And Orchestrated Media Hell Over The Last 48 Hours? He Was Supposed To Be ‘Dead’ By Now. The Media Still Doesn’t Get It…Donald Trump Did It With His Enormous Strength Of Character, Flawless Discipline And Unswerving Passion For America And Its People. Trump Stood Like Mt Everest On His Sterling Positions On ALL The Key Issues We Face. America Is Clearly Bored And Disgusted With Clinton’s Arrogance, Sneering Condescension And Her Memorized, Empty, Tired, Non-Answers. Trump Defeated Not Only Clinton But An Evil And Corrupt Mass Media As Well. It Is Time For A Massive Change In America And We Have Seen, Once Again, That We Have The Right Man To Lead Us To Recovery And Prosperity…The Man Who WILL Make America Great Again.

    [Stephanie: Copy-pasting incoherent screeds from quack conservative sites does not make for interesting conversation. This is your one warning.]

    • Pasupial 32.1
      11 October 2016 at 1:20 pm

      JoHnM…
      Your Strangely Capitilised Slogans Make You Look Like A TOTAL Fuckwit… Is That Intentional?

      • Pasupial 32.2.1
        12 October 2016 at 12:30 pm

        JoHnM…
        The Posting Of An Alex Jones Clip Without Any Comment As To Why It Is Credible ALL But Confirms That You Are Indeed A Fuckwit… Siobhan’s Suggestion That You Could Be A; “seriously alternative rap, hip-hop” Stylist, Seems Disproved… Nor Do You Seem To Be An “Ironic” Performance Artist…

  33. joe90 33
    11 October 2016 at 1:52 pm

    Oh look, the serial sexual offender lied, agian.

    During Sunday’s debate, Donald Trump once again said he doesn’t know whether Russia is trying to hack the U.S. election, despite Friday’s statement by the U.S. intelligence community pointing the finger at Putin — and despite the fact that Trump was personally briefed on Russia’s role in the hacks by U.S. officials.

    A senior U.S. intelligence official assured NBC News that cybersecurity and the Russian government’s attempts to interfere in the 2016 election have been briefed to, and discussed extensively with, both parties’ candidates, surrogates and leadership, since mid-August. “To profess not to know at this point is willful misrepresentation,” said the official. “The intelligence community has walked a very thin line in not taking sides, but both candidates have all the information they need to be crystal clear.”

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-was-told-russia-was-blame-hacks-long-debate-n663686

  34. Pasupial 34
    11 October 2016 at 2:25 pm

    This is just so wonderfully wrong (warning – earwormy!):

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    The ‘50 Shades of Green’ farmers’ protest in 2019 was heavy on climate change denial, but five years on, scepticism and criticism about the idea that pine forests can save us is growing across the board. File photo: Lynn GrievesonTL;DR: Here’s the top six news items of note in climate ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    24 hours ago
  • What makes us tick

    This morning the sky was bright.The birds, in their usual joyous bliss. Nature doesn’t seem to feel the heat of what might angst humans.Their calls are clear and beautiful.Just some random thoughts:MāoriPaul Goldsmith has announced his government will roll back the judiciary’s rulings on Māori Customary Marine Title, which recognises ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    1 day ago
  • Foreshore and seabed 2.0

    In 2003, the Court of Appeal delivered its decision in Ngati Apa v Attorney-General, ruling that Māori customary title over the foreshore and seabed had not been universally extinguished, and that the Māori Land Court could determine claims and confirm title if the facts supported it. This kicked off the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 day ago
  • Gordon Campbell on the Royal Commission report into abuse in care

    Earlier this week at Parliament, Labour leader Chris Hipkins was applauded for saying that the response to the final report of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in Care had to be “bigger than politics.” True, but the fine words, apologies and “we hear you” messages will soon ring ...
    WerewolfBy lyndon
    1 day ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Friday, July 26

    TL;DR: In news breaking this morning:The Ministry of Education is cutting $2 billion from its school building programme so the National-ACT-NZ First Coalition Government has enough money to deliver tax cuts; The Government has quietly lowered its child poverty reduction targets to make them easier to achieve;Te Whatu Ora-Health NZ’s ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 day ago
  • Weekly Roundup 26-July-2024

    Kia ora. These are some stories that caught our eye this week – as always, feel free to share yours in the comments. Our header image this week (via Eke Panuku) shows the planned upgrade for the Karanga Plaza Tidal Swimming Steps. The week in Greater Auckland On ...
    Greater AucklandBy Greater Auckland
    1 day ago
  • God what a relief

    1. What's not to love about the way the Harris campaign is turning things around?a. Nothingb. Love all of itc. God what a reliefd. Not that it will be by any means easye. All of the above 2. Documents released by the Ministry of Health show Associate Health Minister Casey ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    1 day ago
  • Trust In Me

    Trust in me in all you doHave the faith I have in youLove will see us through, if only you trust in meWhy don't you, you trust me?In a week that saw the release of the 3,000 page Abuse in Care report Christopher Luxon was being asked about Boot Camps. ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    1 day ago
  • The Hoon around the week to July 26

    TL;DR: The podcast above of the weekly ‘hoon’ webinar for paying subscribers last night features co-hosts and talking about the Royal Commission Inquiry into Abuse in Care report released this week, and with:The Kākā’s climate correspondent on a UN push to not recognise carbon offset markets and ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 day ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Friday, July 26

    TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Friday, July 26, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:Transport: Simeon Brown announced $802.9 million in funding for 18 new trains on the Wairarapa and Manawatū rail lines, which ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 day ago
  • Radical law changes needed to build road

    The northern expressway extension from Warkworth to Whangarei is likely to require radical changes to legislation if it is going to be built within the foreseeable future. The Government’s powers to purchase land, the planning process and current restrictions on road tolling are all going to need to be changed ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    1 day ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #30 2024

    Open access notables Could an extremely cold central European winter such as 1963 happen again despite climate change?, Sippel et al., Weather and Climate Dynamics: Here, we first show based on multiple attribution methods that a winter of similar circulation conditions to 1963 would still lead to an extreme seasonal ...
    Skeptical Science
    2 days ago
  • First they came for the Māori

    Text within this block will maintain its original spacing when publishedFirst they came for the doctors But I was confused by the numbers and costs So I didn't speak up Then they came for our police and nurses And I didn't think we could afford those costs anyway So I ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    2 days ago
  • Join us for the weekly Hoon on YouTube Live

    Photo by Joshua J. Cotten on UnsplashWe’re back again after our mid-winter break. We’re still with the ‘new’ day of the week (Thursday rather than Friday) when we have our ‘hoon’ webinar with paying subscribers to The Kākā for an hour at 5 pm.Jump on this link on YouTube Livestream ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago
  • Will the real PM Luxon please stand up?

    Notes: This is a free article. Abuse in Care themes are mentioned. Video is at the bottom.BackgroundYesterday’s report into Abuse in Care revealed that at least 1 in 3 of all who went through state and faith based care were abused - often horrifically. At least, because not all survivors ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    2 days ago
  • Will debt reduction trump abuse in care redress?

    Luxon speaks in Parliament yesterday about the Abuse in Care report. Photo: Hagen Hopkins/Getty ImagesTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy today are:PM Christopher Luxon said yesterday in tabling the Abuse in Care report in Parliament he wanted to ‘do the ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago
  • Olywhites and Time Bandits

    About a decade ago I worked with a bloke called Steve. He was the grizzled veteran coder, a few years older than me, who knew where the bodies were buried - code wise. Despite his best efforts to be approachable and friendly he could be kind of gruff, through to ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    2 days ago
  • Why were the 1930s so hot in North America?

    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections by Jeff Masters and Bob Henson Those who’ve trawled social media during heat waves have likely encountered a tidbit frequently used to brush aside human-caused climate change: Many U.S. states and cities had their single hottest temperature on record during the 1930s, setting incredible heat marks ...
    Skeptical Science
    2 days ago
  • Throwback Thursday – Thinking about Expressways

    Some of the recent announcements from the government have reminded us of posts we’ve written in the past. Here’s one from early 2020. There were plenty of reactions to the government’s infrastructure announcement a few weeks ago which saw them fund a bunch of big roading projects. One of ...
    Greater AucklandBy Greater Auckland
    2 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Thursday, July 25

    TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 7:00 am on Thursday, July 25 are:News: Why Electric Kiwi is closing to new customers - and why it matters RNZ’s Susan EdmundsScoop: Government drops ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago
  • The Possum: Demon or Friend?

    Hi,I felt a small wet tongue snaking through one of the holes in my Crocs. It explored my big toe, darting down one side, then the other. “He’s looking for some toe cheese,” said the woman next to me, words that still haunt me to this day.Growing up in New ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    2 days ago
  • Not a story

    Yesterday I happily quoted the Prime Minister without fact-checking him and sure enough, it turns out his numbers were all to hell. It’s not four kg of Royal Commission report, it’s fourteen.My friend and one-time colleague-in-comms Hazel Phillips gently alerted me to my error almost as soon as I’d hit ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    2 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Thursday, July 25

    TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Thursday, July 25, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day were:The Abuse in Care Royal Commission of Inquiry published its final report yesterday.PM Christopher Luxon and The Minister responsible for ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago
  • A tougher line on “proactive release”?

    The Official Information Act has always been a battle between requesters seeking information, and governments seeking to control it. Information is power, so Ministers and government agencies want to manage what is released and when, for their own convenience, and legality and democracy be damned. Their most recent tactic for ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • 'Let's build a motorway costing $100 million per km, before emissions costs'

    TL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy today are:Transport and Energy Minister Simeon Brown is accelerating plans to spend at least $10 billion through Public Private Partnerships (PPPs) to extend State Highway One as a four-lane ‘Expressway’ from Warkworth to Whangarei ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago
  • Lester's Prescription – Positive Bleeding.

    I live my life (woo-ooh-ooh)With no control in my destinyYea-yeah, yea-yeah (woo-ooh-ooh)I can bleed when I want to bleedSo come on, come on (woo-ooh-ooh)You can bleed when you want to bleedYea-yeah, come on (woo-ooh-ooh)Everybody bleed when they want to bleedCome on and bleedGovernments face tough challenges. Selling unpopular decisions to ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago
  • Casey Costello gaslights Labour in the House

    Please note:To skip directly to the- parliamentary footage in the video, scroll to 1:21 To skip to audio please click on the headphone icon on the left hand side of the screenThis video / audio section is under development. ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    3 days ago
  • Why is the Texas grid in such bad shape?

    This is a re-post from the Climate Brink by Andrew Dessler Headline from 2021 The Texas grid, run by ERCOT, has had a rough few years. In 2021, winter storm Uri blacked out much of the state for several days. About a week ago, Hurricane Beryl knocked out ...
    Skeptical Science
    3 days ago
  • Gordon Campbell on a textbook case of spending waste by the Luxon government

    Given the crackdown on wasteful government spending, it behooves me to point to a high profile example of spending by the Luxon government that looks like a big, fat waste of time and money. I’m talking about the deployment of NZDF personnel to support the US-led coalition in the Red ...
    WerewolfBy lyndon
    3 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Wednesday, July 24

    TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 7:40 am on Wednesday, July 24 are:Deep Dive: Chipping away at the housing crisis, including my comments RNZ/Newsroom’s The DetailNews: Government softens on asset sales, ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago
  • LXR Takaanini

    As I reported about the city centre, Auckland’s rail network is also going through a difficult and disruptive period which is rapidly approaching a culmination, this will result in a significant upgrade to the whole network. Hallelujah. Also like the city centre this is an upgrade predicated on the City ...
    Greater AucklandBy Patrick Reynolds
    3 days ago
  • Four kilograms of pain

    Today, a 4 kilogram report will be delivered to Parliament. We know this is what the report of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in State and Faith-based Care weighs, because our Prime Minister told us so.Some reporter had blindsided him by asking a question about something done by ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    3 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Wednesday, July 24

    TL;DR: As of 7:00 am on Wednesday, July 24, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:Beehive: Transport Minister Simeon Brown announced plans to use PPPs to fund, build and run a four-lane expressway between Auckland ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago
  • Luxon gets caught out

    NewstalkZB host Mike Hosking, who can usually be relied on to give Prime Minister Christopher Luxon an easy run, did not do so yesterday when he interviewed him about the HealthNZ deficit. Luxon is trying to use a deficit reported last year by HealthNZ as yet another example of the ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    3 days ago
  • A worrying sign

    Back in January a StatsNZ employee gave a speech at Rātana on behalf of tangata whenua in which he insulted and criticised the government. The speech clearly violated the principle of a neutral public service, and StatsNZ started an investigation. Part of that was getting an external consultant to examine ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Are we fine with 47.9% home-ownership by 2048?

    Renting for life: Shared ownership initiatives are unlikely to slow the slide in home ownership by much. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy today are:A Deloitte report for Westpac has projected Aotearoa’s home-ownership rate will ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago
  • Let's Win This

    You're broken down and tiredOf living life on a merry go roundAnd you can't find the fighterBut I see it in you so we gonna walk it outAnd move mountainsWe gonna walk it outAnd move mountainsAnd I'll rise upI'll rise like the dayI'll rise upI'll rise unafraidI'll rise upAnd I'll ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    4 days ago
  • Waimahara: The Singing Spirit of Water

    There’s been a change in Myers Park. Down the steps from St. Kevin’s Arcade, past the grassy slopes, the children’s playground, the benches and that goat statue, there has been a transformation. The underpass for Mayoral Drive has gone from a barren, grey, concrete tunnel, to a place that thrums ...
    Greater AucklandBy Connor Sharp
    4 days ago
  • A major milestone: Global climate pollution may have just peaked

    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections Global society may have finally slammed on the brakes for climate-warming pollution released by human fossil fuel combustion. According to the Carbon Monitor Project, the total global climate pollution released between February and May 2024 declined slightly from the amount released during the same ...
    Skeptical Science
    4 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Tuesday, July 23

    TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 7:00 am on Tuesday, July 23 are:Deep Dive: Penlink: where tolling rhetoric meets reality BusinessDesk-$$$’s Oliver LewisScoop: Te Pūkenga plans for regional polytechs leak out ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Tuesday, July 23

    TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Tuesday, July 23, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:Health: Shane Reti announced the Board of Te Whatu Ora- Health New Zealand was being replaced with Commissioner Lester Levy ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago
  • HealthNZ and Luxon at cross purposes over budget blowout

    Health NZ warned the Government at the end of March that it was running over Budget. But the reasons it gave were very different to those offered by the Prime Minister yesterday. Prime Minister Christopher Luxon blamed the “botched merger” of the 20 District Health Boards (DHBs) to create Health ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    4 days ago
  • 2500-3000 more healthcare staff expected to be fired, as Shane Reti blames Labour for a budget defic...

    Long ReadKey Summary: Although National increased the health budget by $1.4 billion in May, they used an old funding model to project health system costs, and never bothered to update their pre-election numbers. They were told during the Health Select Committees earlier in the year their budget amount was deficient, ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    4 days ago
  • Might Kamala Harris be about to get a 'stardust' moment like Jacinda Ardern?

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    PunditBy Tim Watkin
    5 days ago
  • Solutions Interview: Steven Hail on MMT & ecological economics

    TL;DR: I’m casting around for new ideas and ways of thinking about Aotearoa’s political economy to find a few solutions to our cascading and self-reinforcing housing, poverty and climate crises.Associate Professor runs an online masters degree in the economics of sustainability at Torrens University in Australia and is organising ...
    The KakaBy Steven Hail
    5 days ago
  • Reported back

    The Finance and Expenditure Committee has reported back on National's Local Government (Water Services Preliminary Arrangements) Bill. The bill sets up water for privatisation, and was introduced under urgency, then rammed through select committee with no time even for local councils to make a proper submission. Naturally, national's select committee ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Vandrad the Viking, Christopher Coombes, and Literary Archaeology

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    A Phuulish FellowBy strda221
    5 days ago
  • Gordon Campbell On The Biden Withdrawal

    History is not on the side of the centre-left, when Democratic presidents fall behind in the polls and choose not to run for re-election. On both previous occasions in the past 75 years (Harry Truman in 1952, Lyndon Johnson in 1968) the Democrats proceeded to then lose the White House ...
    WerewolfBy lyndon
    5 days ago
  • Joe Biden's withdrawal puts the spotlight back on Kamala and the USA's complicated relatio...

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    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    5 days ago
  • Why we have to challenge our national fiscal assumptions

    A homeless person’s camp beside a blocked-off slipped damage walkway in Freeman’s Bay: we are chasing our tail on our worsening and inter-related housing, poverty and climate crises. Photo: Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago
  • Existential Crisis and Damaged Brains

    What has happened to it all?Crazy, some'd sayWhere is the life that I recognise?(Gone away)But I won't cry for yesterdayThere's an ordinary worldSomehow I have to findAnd as I try to make my wayTo the ordinary worldYesterday morning began as many others - what to write about today? I began ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    5 days ago
  • A speed limit is not a target, and yet…

    This is a guest post from longtime supporter Mr Plod, whose previous contributions include a proposal that Hamilton become New Zealand’s capital city, and that we should switch which side of the road we drive on. A recent Newsroom article, “Back to school for the Govt’s new speed limit policy“, ...
    Greater AucklandBy Guest Post
    5 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Monday, July 22

    TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 7:00 am on Monday, July 22 are:Today’s Must Read: Father and son live in a tent, and have done for four years, in a million ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Monday, July 22

    TL;DR: As of 7:00 am on Monday, July 22, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:US President Joe Biden announced via X this morning he would not stand for a second term.Multinational professional services firm ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago
  • 2024 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #29

    A listing of 32 news and opinion articles we found interesting and shared on social media during the past week: Sun, July 14, 2024 thru Sat, July 20, 2024. Story of the week As reflected by preponderance of coverage, our Story of the Week is Project 2025. Until now traveling ...
    Skeptical Science
    6 days ago
  • I'd like to share what I did this weekend

    This weekend, a friend pointed out someone who said they’d like to read my posts, but didn’t want to pay. And my first reaction was sympathy.I’ve already told folks that if they can’t comfortably subscribe, and would like to read, I’d be happy to offer free subscriptions. I don’t want ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    6 days ago
  • For the children – Why mere sentiment can be a misleading force in our lives, and lead to unex...

    National: The Party of ‘Law and Order’ IntroductionThis weekend, the Government formally kicked off one of their flagship policy programs: a military style boot camp that New Zealand has experimented with over the past 50 years. Cartoon credit: Guy BodyIt’s very popular with the National Party’s Law and Order image, ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    6 days ago
  • A friend in uncertain times

    Day one of the solo leg of my long journey home begins with my favourite sound: footfalls in an empty street. 5.00 am and it’s already light and already too warm, almost.If I can make the train that leaves Budapest later this hour I could be in Belgrade by nightfall; ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    6 days ago
  • The Chaotic World of Male Diet Influencers

    Hi,We’ll get to the horrific world of male diet influencers (AKA Beefy Boys) shortly, but first you will be glad to know that since I sent out the Webworm explaining why the assassination attempt on Donald Trump was not a false flag operation, I’ve heard from a load of people ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    6 days ago
  • It's Starting To Look A Lot Like… Y2K

    Do you remember Y2K, the threat that hung over humanity in the closing days of the twentieth century? Horror scenarios of planes falling from the sky, electronic payments failing and ATMs refusing to dispense cash. As for your VCR following instructions and recording your favourite show - forget about it.All ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    1 week ago
  • Bernard’s Saturday Soliloquy for the week to July 20

    Climate Change Minister Simon Watts being questioned by The Kākā’s Bernard Hickey.TL;DR: My top six things to note around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the week to July 20 were:1. A strategy that fails Zero Carbon Act & Paris targetsThe National-ACT-NZ First Coalition Government finally unveiled ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 week ago
  • Pharmac Director, Climate Change Commissioner, Health NZ Directors – The latest to quit this m...

    Summary:As New Zealand loses at least 12 leaders in the public service space of health, climate, and pharmaceuticals, this month alone, directly in response to the Government’s policies and budget choices, what lies ahead may be darker than it appears. Tui examines some of those departures and draws a long ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    1 week ago
  • Flooding Housing Policy

    The Minister of Housing’s ambition is to reduce markedly the ratio of house prices to household incomes. If his strategy works it would transform the housing market, dramatically changing the prospects of housing as an investment.Leaving aside the Minister’s metaphor of ‘flooding the market’ I do not see how the ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    1 week ago
  • A Voyage Among the Vandals: Accepted (Again!)

    As previously noted, my historical fantasy piece, set in the fifth-century Mediterranean, was accepted for a Pirate Horror anthology, only for the anthology to later fall through. But in a good bit of news, it turned out that the story could indeed be re-marketed as sword and sorcery. As of ...
    A Phuulish FellowBy strda221
    1 week ago
  • The Kākā's Chorus for Friday, July 19

    An employee of tobacco company Philip Morris International demonstrates a heated tobacco device. Photo: Getty ImagesTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy on Friday, July 19 are:At a time when the Coalition Government is cutting spending on health, infrastructure, education, housing ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 week ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Friday, July 19

    TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 8:30 am on Friday, July 19 are:Scoop: NZ First Minister Casey Costello orders 50% cut to excise tax on heated tobacco products. The minister has ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 week ago
  • Weekly Roundup 19-July-2024

    Kia ora, it’s time for another Friday roundup, in which we pull together some of the links and stories that caught our eye this week. Feel free to add more in the comments! Our header image this week shows a foggy day in Auckland town, captured by Patrick Reynolds. ...
    Greater AucklandBy Greater Auckland
    1 week ago
  • Weekly Climate Wrap: A market-led plan for failure

    TL;DR : Here’s the top six items climate news for Aotearoa this week, as selected by Bernard Hickey and The Kākā’s climate correspondent Cathrine Dyer. A discussion recorded yesterday is in the video above and the audio of that sent onto the podcast feed.The Government released its draft Emissions Reduction ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 week ago
  • Tobacco First

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    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    1 week ago
  • Trump’s Adopted Son.

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    1 week ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Friday, July 19

    TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Friday, July 19, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:The PSA announced the Employment Relations Authority (ERA) had ruled in the PSA’s favour in its case against the Ministry ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 week ago

  • Joint statement from the Prime Ministers of Canada, Australia and New Zealand

    Australia, Canada and New Zealand today issued the following statement on the need for an urgent ceasefire in Gaza and the risk of expanded conflict between Hizballah and Israel. The situation in Gaza is catastrophic. The human suffering is unacceptable. It cannot continue.  We remain unequivocal in our condemnation of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    18 hours ago
  • AG reminds institutions of legal obligations

    Attorney-General Judith Collins today reminded all State and faith-based institutions of their legal obligation to preserve records relevant to the safety and wellbeing of those in its care. “The Abuse in Care Inquiry’s report has found cases where records of the most vulnerable people in State and faith‑based institutions were ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    21 hours ago
  • More young people learning about digital safety

    Minister of Internal Affairs Brooke van Velden says the Government’s online safety website for children and young people has reached one million page views.  “It is great to see so many young people and their families accessing the site Keep It Real Online to learn how to stay safe online, and manage ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    21 hours ago
  • Speech to the Conference for General Practice 2024

    Tēnā tātou katoa,  Ngā mihi te rangi, ngā mihi te whenua, ngā mihi ki a koutou, kia ora mai koutou. Thank you for the opportunity to be here and the invitation to speak at this 50th anniversary conference. I acknowledge all those who have gone before us and paved the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    23 hours ago
  • Employers and payroll providers ready for tax changes

    New Zealand’s payroll providers have successfully prepared to ensure 3.5 million individuals will, from Wednesday next week, be able to keep more of what they earn each pay, says Finance Minister Nicola Willis and Revenue Minister Simon Watts.  “The Government's tax policy changes are legally effective from Wednesday. Delivering this tax ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Experimental vineyard futureproofs wine industry

    An experimental vineyard which will help futureproof the wine sector has been opened in Blenheim by Associate Regional Development Minister Mark Patterson. The covered vineyard, based at the New Zealand Wine Centre – Te Pokapū Wāina o Aotearoa, enables controlled environmental conditions. “The research that will be produced at the Experimental ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Funding confirmed for regions affected by North Island Weather Events

    The Coalition Government has confirmed the indicative regional breakdown of North Island Weather Event (NIWE) funding for state highway recovery projects funded through Budget 2024, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “Regions in the North Island suffered extensive and devastating damage from Cyclone Gabrielle and the 2023 Auckland Anniversary Floods, and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
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