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Clinton vs Trump; Debate 2

Written By: - Date published: 8:25 am, October 10th, 2016 - 235 comments
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The second of three Presidential debates kicks off at 2PM NZ time.

The format is different this time, it’s more of a town hall style meeting with a combination of set questions from the moderators (ABC’s Martha Raddatz and CNN’s Anderson Cooper) and random impertinences from the audience.

Hillary Clinton is more in her element at these kind of events. A good listener, with a good grasp of issues, she can be relied on to come across as sympathetic and engaged. Donald Trump is far more used to deference and brown-nosing from the people he meets, not testing questions on the issues of the day. As a notoriously shouty bully, he’ll have to find  a way to tone down his overbearing nature, while at the same time rehabilitating his tattered reputation.

If, as has been rumoured, he tries to deflect from his own sexism by pushing fantasies about Hillary Clinton’s hubby, he’ll go down in flames. The desperate right have tried floating the ‘Bill as rapist’ meme over the weekend, but it hasn’t stuck. Mainly because of the lack of evidence, but also because Bill Clinton is still more popular than either Hillary or the Donald.

This sort of attack generally fails, as anyone who has tried to point out John Key’s many faults over the last 8 years can attest.

So it should be a fascinating contest. Hillary has the election in the bag and the calls to dump Trump will only grow louder if he doesn’t ‘win’ this debate hands down. It could be that there won’t need to be a third debate or if it’s held it’ll be Clinton vs Pence.

Today’s bout is live on TVNZ’s Duke channel and I believe they will be streaming it via their website, here.

And here’s a taste of what it might look like:

 

UPDATE: Obama nails Trump’s tiny insecurity issue.

 

 

UPDATE 2: Live Stream

 

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235 comments on “Clinton vs Trump; Debate 2”

  1. Paul Campbell 1

    best twitter quote of yesterday: “Hey, Republicans, how does it feel to be forced to carry something to term?”

  2. xanthe 2

    So that would make it Clintons to lose

    • Colonial Viper 2.1

      We’re still in the first half of October, many more ‘October Surprises’ to come yet.

  3. Pasupial 3

    If we’re referencing SNL skits, I found this a fascinating investigation of the evolution of the percieved Hillary over the years. The presenter is mainly a film reviewer, but that gives a refreshing (if not quite apolitical) perspective too:

  4. Puckish Rogue 4

    As long as its not like the last snore fest

  5. I have a feeling we are about to descend in this debate – ‘ground floor – smears, lies and insinuations and some shouting’

    • TheExtremist 5.1

      Agree. I get the feeling though that Clinton will remain calm while nonetheless hitting low, but true, blows. Trump will be brash and hit low, mostly untrue, blows.

      • Colonial Viper 5.1.1

        Yes, Clinton will run her team’s series of well calculated personal barbs to rile Trump up.

        Trump has a simple job today – stay Presidential – and keep reminding the country over and over – if you want the corrupt, rigged and wasteful Clinton/Obama status quo in D.C. gone, then Donald J Trump going to fix things fast.

        • marty mars 5.1.1.1

          The problem is he has no lines now – they’ve been tried and found wanting. All he’s got is attack, any other strategy will be too inauthentic.

          • Colonial Viper 5.1.1.1.1

            Yes Trump’s lines have been found wanting by the MSM and the commentariat.

            • Phil 5.1.1.1.1.1

              Trump has consistently failed to break through his 40% ceiling, on average, in the main polls. It’s pretty obvious that, in addition to the “MSM and the commentariat”, about 60% of likely voters also think Trump is garbage.

        • Pasupial 5.1.1.2

          CV
          You say; “Trump has a simple job today – stay Presidential”, when has he ever been; “Presidential”in the first place?

        • Leftie 5.1.1.3

          “Donald J Trump going to fix things fast.”

          You’re dreaming Colonial Viper, Trump is corrupt, rigged and wasteful, he can’t even fix himself.

          • marty mars 5.1.1.3.1

            + 1 Yay another thing we agree on – onya leftie

          • Colonial Viper 5.1.1.3.2

            Hillary sold the office of Sec of State, lied to Congress and defied a Congressional subpoena, and after all of this it’s no surprise that all her senior staffers needed immunity from prosecution agreements with the FBI.

            Mind you, those small details may not matter at this point.

            • Don't worry. Be happy 5.1.1.3.2.1

              Hillary behaves like a politician. Trump behaves like a sociopath. Is that really ok with you CV?

              • Colonial Viper

                “Hillary behaves like a politician.”

                Correct. Hillary talks, acts and moves like the consumate D.C. professional that she is.

          • D'Esterre 5.1.1.3.3

            Leftie: “Trump is corrupt, rigged and wasteful, he can’t even fix himself.

            And you know this….how?

            • Leftie 5.1.1.3.3.1

              Trump’s history.

              • Colonial Viper

                I’m still calling an easy win for Trump. Let’s see. It still depends on how sick to the back teeth the American people are of the DC elite and the current kleptocratic status quo.

                • Tricledrown

                  So what is trump going to change.
                  Nothing CV which creepy clown wins

                  • Colonial Viper

                    At the end of the day I am realistic enough to realise that the Deep State i.e. a dangerous combo of the security state, Wall St and big corporations, runs the USA, and that the person in the Oval Office has somewhat limited influence one way or the other.

                  • miravox

                    Yep, It doesn’t matter how fed up the public is with the Washington establishment if they don’t see a viable alternative to it in Trump.

      • Phil 5.1.2

        The thing I’ll be looking for is not something that comes out of the mouths of the candidates, but the facial and audible reactions of the audience. The average undecided voter is going to be swayed a lot more by what they see in the crowd than what they see on the stage.

        • Pasupial 5.1.2.1

          Last time I watched most of the debate on mute in the background (mainly because I had other stuff to do, but also because it was a bit tedious when I did have the sound up). I imagine I’ll do the same with this one too.

          One of the most revealing things is to watch the opponents face when the other candidate is speaking. However, as Phil says, it’ll be good to see the; “facial and audible reactions of the audience”, too (there wasn’t much of that last time, but with the “town hall” format that is likely to change).

          I agree with The Extremist as far as he goes, but I also expect a lot more premeditation from the Clinton team while Trump will be unprepared and talk randomly according to his whims. I read a piece the other day (I thought on Salon, but couldn’t see it there today and my browser deletes history when I close it so somewhere on a USAn political site is the best reference I can give), which was a case lawyer examining the Clinton campaign tactics. The takeaway was that Clinton’s team seem to have prepared points to insert into each debate to set up later revelations. EG Clinton ties Trump and misogyny together (or at least reinforces that impression) in the first debate, Kaines gets Pence to deny the chharge in the VP debate, then a recording featuring JEB’s cousin surfaces to confirm Trump’s loathsomeness. Personally, I think there was a fair bit of luck involved too – but it is said that fortune favours those prepared to take advantage of it.

      • Siobhan 5.1.3

        Clinton has, by her own admission “both a public and a private position” on things like the banks.

        So I suspect, and many claim to know, that she also has “both a public and private position” on women.

        Just ask any of Bills past and present* women. (*according to Collin Powell) .

        No one in this debate can claim the high ground on ‘Truth’.

        • TheExtremist 5.1.3.1

          “So I suspect, and many claim to know, that she also has “both a public and private position” on women.”

          Yeah there’s no evidence for that.

          “No one in this debate can claim the high ground on ‘Truth’.”

          That I agree with

          • Colonial Viper 5.1.3.1.1

            Yeah there’s no evidence for that.

            You mean apart from her own words?

            Hillary Clinton told top banking executives that she has “both a public and a private position” on Wall Street reform and is reliant on wealthy donors to fund her campaign, leaked excerpts of the former first lady’s speeches seem to show, fueling claims of hypocrisy on the part of Mrs. Clinton at a crucial moment in the presidential campaign.

            http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/8/hillary-clinton-says-she-has-both-public-and-priva/

            • TheExtremist 5.1.3.1.1.1

              Instead of quote-mining why don’t you respond what I actually wrote and try again, son.

              • Colonial Viper

                “Try again, son.”

                LOL come on mate, I don’t report to dickheads like you.

                • TheExtremist

                  So you can’t actually respond to what I actually wrote and will only respond to comments I didn’t make.

                  The intellectual dishonesty is strong with you

        • Phil 5.1.3.2

          Clinton has, by her own admission “both a public and a private position” on things like the banks.

          So I suspect, and many claim to know, that she also has “both a public and private position” on women.

          That’s a logical fallacy.

    • joe90 5.2

      I have a feeling we are about to descend in this debate – ‘ground floor

      Yup, ready to go.

      Trump source on debate strategy: "She’s as much an attacker of women as Bill. We’re fully loaded. She's gonna have to confront her accusers"— Joshua Green (@JoshuaGreen) October 8, 2016

  6. Richard Rawshark 6

    Alec Baldwin nailed it on Saturday night live, Clintons laughing all the way to the white house.

    Looks like Trumps been outed as the perverse creep he appears to be. Got creepy for me when I hear he mentioned his daughter as voluptuous.., really? that’s your daughter.

    The only time I’d mention the word “voluptuous” and “my daughter” in the same sentence would have also included “thinking of”, “if you do”, and “shotgun death”.

    Alec Baldwins Trumps damn good though. Who agrees?

  7. Richard Rawshark 7

    Trump looks like a person easily rattled and who easily loses it.

    Clinton has all the cards, she’s a woman, he has little respect for women, so all she needs to do is argue, and click a few buttons and Trump will disintegrate in front of live TV.

    All she needs do is needle him..

  8. Adrian Thornton 8

    Hey of course no one wants Trump, but Hillary has no moral high ground in this debate.
    She has supported and defended her husband in his numerous dodgy sexual exploits. So let’s not ride any high horses in regards to Hillary, she has proved that she is just as capable of exploiting humans for her own ends as much as the next rich capitalist.

    • Colonial Viper 8.1

      If Trump’s team didn’t complete a full opposition research exercise on Trump six months ago, he’s going to be in for a very interesting ride in the next couple of weeks from the Clinton/MSM smear machine.

      • TheExtremist 8.1.1

        What you call “smear machine” is really just “What Trump actually said”

      • Garibaldi 8.1.2

        Hi CV. I know it’s a case of ‘que sera, sera’ with this election, but have these latest skeletons in Trump’s cupboard changed your confidence in the final outcome?
        Strikes me Trump will have to come firing confidently on all cylinders this arfo, and I don’t really think he’s up to it.

        • Garibaldi 8.1.2.1

          Help – where’s the edit facility gone ?

        • Colonial Viper 8.1.2.2

          It’s looking critically bad for the Don I admit, and Hillary is by far the more experienced and prepared debate performer. Still, I’m not changing my call yet.

          • Lanthanide 8.1.2.2.1

            Your call that he’s going to win with 280-290 EVs.

            Basically for Trump to win, the polls all have to be seriously off. 538 have done quite a lot of analysis on how the polls could possibly be off – eg a whole lot of people who haven’t previously voted turning out for Trump. So far there’s no evidence that that is actually happening.

            • Colonial Viper 8.1.2.2.1.1

              Your call that he’s going to win with 280-290 EVs.

              Indeed, and closer to 290 than to 280 is my prediction.

              Yep, fully get that the polls according to Real Clear Politics and others show Trump cruising for a bruising come Nov 8.

              Will Trump’s result look like the Carter vs Reagan result in 1980? Reagan got 489 vs a destroyed Carter’s 49 electoral votes.

              • Lanthanide

                On 538’s modelling, the most likely single outcome at the moment is Hillary getting approx 360 EVs.

              • Liberal Realist

                You don’t think the Dem’s won’t pull out dirty tricks in the face of a close count in one or more swing states? That said I wouldn’t put it past the Repug’s either (remember 2000?).

                However in this election cycle it has been the Dem’s pulling the (most publicised/leaked) dirty tricks and by all appearances are the establishment pick to rule for the next 4 years.

      • RedLogix 8.1.3

        And what do you think Donald Trump, Bill Clinton and say … Aaron Smith … share in common? Whether Trump was talking about non-consensual assault, or merely the usual inflated sense of alpha male sexual entitlement isn’t clear from the context, but his insoluble problem now is that he’s been caught gloating about it.

        And for most people that’s a vulgarity too far. It’s something they really didn’t want to hear about, and every time he tries to attack on Bill’s Clinton’s record, rightly or wrongly, it’s only going to remind people. Logically this would have been the absolute finish of any candidate other than DT.

        Logically Trump’s best tactic at this point is to take the high road in the debate, but then again by nature Trump is a scrapper, so anything is possible.

        Reminds me of a global marketing meeting I attended a long time ago. Two pretty senior US execs got REALLY hot with each other. All the non-Americans in the room were mortified, we thought they were literally within seconds of a bare-knuckle brawl, but a few hours later there they both were at the bar drinking and laughing like the best of mates. A lot of Americans will recognise this quality in Trump, a willingness to go all out, even dirty, to win; but very pragmatic about patching up the bumps and bruises afterwards.

        If you’re not from New York you likely don’t get how New-Yorkers talk, if you’re not from the USA you likely don’t get a lot of the complex cultural clues and values on display here, and if you are a progressive liberal … Trump is just irredeemably goddamn awful. So it’s very hard for us to accurately measure what the electoral responses to all this are going to be.

        Trump more than anything else has triggered the deep anti-establishment, anti-liberal sentiment live in the American electorate. Fundamentally every time the liberal establishment dumps on him, it strengthens his hand. Still the chaos election.

        • Colonial Viper 8.1.3.1

          When you talked about the two Americans I guessed that they were from New York…they can have a very no holds barred kind of phraseology even to get ordinary points of conversation across…

          • Tiger Mountain 8.1.3.1.1

            you’re shitting us, you fucker CV,

            [Stephanie: There’s no need for that level of pointless abuse. Consider this a warning to disagree firmly, but more sensibly, in future.]

            [TM’s not the kind of commenter to use pointless abuse. I’m picking it was actually satire related to CV’s comment about how New Yorkers converse. TRP]

        • joe90 8.1.3.2

          if you’re not from the USA you likely don’t get a lot of the complex cultural clues and values on display

          And then you watch them eat, fork in hand with a fucking towel in their collar shoveling it down……

          • Andre 8.1.3.2.1

            First time I went out to lunch with a new colleague in Wisconsin, 6’4″ and 220lb ex-military, and his petite British-Indian wife. Our burgers arrive, and she announces very loudly “This is why Americans are all fat and have big mouths”. To this day I still don’t understand how we survived that one.

            • joe90 8.1.3.2.1.1

              Not to say all are like that but my mum often had friends from the US staying and by dog, sometimes it was like watching a toddler in a high chair eat canned spaghetti.

        • Phil 8.1.3.3

          [Trump is] very pragmatic about patching up the bumps and bruises afterwards.

          Trump has been in a decade long feud with Rosie O’Donnell. He launched into an overnight twitter tirade directed at a miss universe winner from twenty years ago. His unrepentant position on birther-ism lasted more than four years beyond Obama’s publication of his long-form birth certificate.

          Trump’s only record is one of being a petulant child.

          But, more importantly, his New Yorkness doesn’t, IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER excuse, or make acceptable, or make justifiable, his bragging about sexually assaulting women.

    • Anne 8.2

      She has supported and defended her husband in his numerous dodgy sexual exploits.

      Actually how do we know that for sure Adrian Thornton? Of course she supported and defended him in public. But I bet behind the scenes it was a different story. That is how most women cope with such situations and it is not for us to knock them for it. Any woman who has been in such a position – albeit in a marriage or lengthy relationship – is going to feel hurt and humiliated but the last thing they want is for there to be a public slanging match. All the more so if they are public figures.

      I recall at the time of the Lewinsky affair that Hillary Clinton behaved with dignity and maturity. It is a mark in her favour… even if I do have question marks about her in a political sense.

      • Pasupial 8.2.1

        Divorce is bad, argue Christian leaders, because marriage is forever. And yet, somehow when the Clintons stay together, it’s a moral failing… Many Evangelical leaders who criticized Bill Clinton’s affairs now endorse Donald Trump, who boasted of his own affairs in his book “The Art of the Deal.” Writing in the Atlantic, Jonathan Merritt asks, “How exactly do evangelicals reconcile this behavior with claims that they value respect for women?”

        The answer seems to fall along party lines. An enduring marriage, even when modeled so solidly by the Clintons, seems to be denied the label of “Christian” — not for lack of faith on the Clintons’ part, but for a lack of grace in those who hold them in judgment.

        http://www.salon.com/2016/10/09/the-clintons-christian-marriage-the-staggering-evangelical-hypocrisy-over-hillarys-refusal-to-divorce-bill/

        • Macro 8.2.1.1

          This is true to a point if we were to consider only evangelical and Roman catholics as the true incumbents of Christianity. Fortunately there are more liberal interpretations of the the teachings of Christ which recognise that living in an unloving or abusive relationship is not a requirement for a healthy spiritual life.

          • McFlock 8.2.1.1.1

            lol not touching that one with a 40ft bargepole 🙂

          • ropata 8.2.1.1.2

            +1 Macro
            The *public* face of Christianity in America is nothing like the example of Christ, much more like that of the Pharisees who ended up killing him.
            But Christian faith in the USA is far wider than the Fox News caricature.

            • Colonial Viper 8.2.1.1.2.1

              Do you know the name given to that which uses the name of Christ, the imagery and language of Christ and of Christianity, but whose aim, practice and intent is diametrically opposite to the wishes and example of Christ?

              That’s your answer.

      • Macro 8.2.2

        ^^^^^ THIS

      • Leftie 8.2.3

        +1 Anne.

        • Observer Tokoroa 8.2.3.1

          .
          .”She has supported and defended her husband in his numerous dodgy sexual exploits.”

          . Hi Anne

          It is so good that you have asked for facts from the strange people who say that Hillary Clinton “has supported and defended her husband in his numerous dodgy sexual exploits”.

          The real problem is that a number of male and female commentators on here want Donald Trump and certainly not a woman President.

          Led along expertly by the small mind of Colonial Viper, these besmirches of Hilary Clinton appear to have more than a few personal problems.

          I mean, to accuse Hillary of supporting Bill Clinton’s sexual predation is about as low as you can go. It says more about the these slavish CV followers, than it does about the accomplished Hillary Clinton.

          Good on you Anne. Hopefully the CV groupies on here will lift their standards above the slum level they share with each other.
          .

  9. CNN has dug out an interview with Trump from ’99. Back then the Donald reckoned Hillary was a good woman and Bill was the victim of a smear campaign.

    Best line:

    “But the whole group — it’s truly an unattractive cast of characters. Linda Tripp, Lucianne Goldberg, I mean, this woman, I watch her on television. She is so bad. The whole group, Paula Jones, Lewinsky, it’s just a really unattractive group. I’m not just talking about physical.”

    “I’m not just talking about physical.” Classy stuff.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/09/politics/trump-clinton-sex-then-vs-now/index.html

  10. joe90 10

    On Pence….

    At some point, someone in the nat'l media will discover the name Glenda Ritz. Trump praises dictators, but Pence actually behaved like one.— Melissa McEwan (@Shakestweetz) October 9, 2016

    1. Glenda Ritz, a Democrat, was elected in 2012 to be Indiana’s Superintendent of Public Instruction. She was a huge underdog.— Melissa McEwan (@Shakestweetz) October 9, 2016

    ……through to 16

    https://twitter.com/Shakestweetz/status/784992488067043328

  11. joe90 11

    Van Jones clears the boundary, the stands and into the middle of Buckle St – if Trump were black.

    • Phil 11.1

      Joe – you might have shared the most important 13 minutes of video produced in the entire presidential campaign.

      I salute you.

  12. Infused 12

    South Park is on point this season. Giant douche and turd sandwich.

  13. TheExtremist 13

    Love the Obama video. You know, say what you like about his policies (particularly his international intervention policies) he will go down as the president with the most swag.

    Obama the person is legitimately funny and generally pretty awesome. I think he’ll be remembered well in history

    • alwyn 13.1

      I really hope that you don’t mean this in the original meaning of the word “swag”.
      Then it meant “stolen goods”.
      I think Bill Clinton and his spending of funds from his foundation would top anything Obama could possibly have been up to.

      • McFlock 13.1.1

        lol

        Rely on an archaic meaning to go off with an outright lie, enabled by a simple comment about Obama’s style.

        I think you’d better go file an official complaint with the cops, Alwyn – when suave was being handed out, Obama obviously stole your share (and then some).

      • TheExtremist 13.1.2

        Swag as in swagger

  14. TheExtremist 14

    Trumps guests to the debate are the woman who accused Bill Clinton of sexual assaults. Stay classy Trump…

  15. mauī 15

    I see this is going to be a fair debate… First question is do you set a good example for youth. Second question is a grilling from CNNs Anderson Cooper about Trumps latest sexist video. CNN winning this debate already.

  16. joe90 16

    There’s that sniffle she don’t lie, she don’t lie, again.

  17. ianmac 17

    Actually Trump is delivering pretty well and Clinton is on the defence. Her body talk is uncomfortable. Grin is a grimace. Not a Clinton walk over. Trump may have diminished the anti-woman meme to some degree.

    • TheExtremist 17.1

      He is def doing better but so is Clinton. More fireworks this time than last

    • Pasupial 17.2

      Some of Clinton’s smiles have looked unforced, I haven’t seen more than a smirk from Trump. I imagine that the antiwoman thread is likely to be brought up again by the end.

      • Pasupial 17.2.1

        She did actually get a genuine smile from Trump by complimenting his family. And then turned it into a declaration of her having; “spent 30 years, actually a little more trying to help kids and families”. His praising of her for virtues he wishes to be associated with; “She doesn’t quit, she doesn’t give up. I respect that”, was weak in comparison. Definitely think she made the best of the final exchange – which with the recency effect is most likely to stick with people.

        [edit. Just saw this in reactions over on the Guardian:]

        “She doesn’t quit, she doesn’t give up, she’s a fighter.” Isn’t that called…stamina?

        https://twitter.com/JessicaValenti?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

        The rest of it was pretty grim and murky. I’d give it to Clinton because by acting as such a swaggering bully onstage, Trump did nothing to dispel his sexual predator image. Nowhere near as clearcut as first debate though (maybe because I had the sound on this time).

  18. Pasupial 18

    There’s been some seriously strange camera work this debate. Sure the candidates have been moving around a bit, but it can’t be that difficult to simply hold focus on a static individual!

    • joe90 18.1

      They can’t, he’s standing behind her scowling, interrupting her, stalking her on stage….much like he does to anyone he bullies I’d imagine.

      • seeker 18.1.1

        @joe90 3.21pm
        Such a good description of Trump’s ghastly behaviour during the debate.
        Not to mention his bad manners displaying his lack of respect for HC in that rather than use her name he referred to her continuously as “she” .
        I was never allowed to use ‘she’ by my parents when growing up. “Who’s ‘she’? The cat’s mother?” my mum would say.

        I never realised how gratingly denigrating that word could sound until I heard Trump today. Clinton used his name and and showed she had presence and manners if nothing else.

        They say manners maketh man. Well today one could see how true that was.

        There was only one ‘man’ in the debate, and it certainly wasn’t Donald.

  19. Cinny 19

    By crikey, Trump has walked all over Hillary, telling Americans exactly what they want to hear, laying out a few shockers.

    Hillary has done very well not crying

    God help America. Trump will win more votes for this.

    Trump even attempted to appeal to the ‘Bernie’ voters. Double Dang.

    First class entertainment live from the USA.

    Is any of this real? Tune in for the next episode…

    Ratings will be THROUGH THE ROOF on any networks broadcasting it.

    There’s gonna be some cracker sound bites.

    Paddy will be fizzing, he was fizzing so hard with his archive soundbite this morning I thought he was gonna pee his pants.

    It’s all very funny, until one realises that one of them will be President of the USA… and so it continues…

    • Colonial Viper 19.1

      Lock her up! Lock her up! 😛

      • Chooky 19.1.1

        lol…GO Trump!

        i didnt watch the debate but I did watch this from a Bernie Sanders supporter:

        ‘Actress Susan Sarandon destroys Hillary Clinton’

        “Clinton scarier than Trump”

      • Cinny 19.1.2

        Lmfao, when he wins, because the really major players would rather it be Trump (he’s driven by fortune and adoration, perfect puppet) Hills is gonna go down. And she will go down hard, Bill too. She’s going to jail lolololz.

        Donald exposed an exploit at the end, his children. The way to hurt him, do it through his kids, not the wife, use the kids, the ultimate in dirty politics.

        Key boards will be humming over at camp Killary, digging away, people will be out on convert op’s listening to conversations, desperate for any information. A special team will be attempting to shut down any negative feedback on the social media via paid keyboard warriors with carefully worded scripts.

        And the crowd cheered louder, even when they were told to quieten down, baying for another swipe at the Clinton Dynasty. Looking forward to the film, Baldwin to play Donald, give the man an Oscar already 🙂 America is sooo screwed.

        Donald was the winner on the day, he said jack shit about any real policy, but he won, and sowed seeds of hate towards the Clintons for Americans aural pleasure. Twisted

        All and all today’s events make a nice little distraction for the masses me thinks 😉
        Wonder if NZ mainstream media will spin it for a weeks worth of distractions?

        Parliament is back tomorrow, another circus to behold. At least it’s sunny 🙂

        Thankies for the link Chooky, nice one

      • joe90 19.1.3

        Lock her up! Lock her up!

        Well I suppose Trump threatening to jail his political opponent would be hilarious to someone who admires a man who does just that to his political opponents, if they’re lucky.
        /

  20. mosa 20

    Looks like not paying Fed taxes for years has been replaced with salacious sexual content for Trump.
    It’s a strange campaign but certainly not boring.
    What next ?

  21. joe90 21

    Please let this be true.

    Update: We now have 4 sources confirming Pence is leaving the ticket. We linked 2 of them up with press. @KeepAmerGr8 #debate https://t.co/Euv5amrqrN— Scott Dworkin (@funder) October 10, 2016

  22. joe90 22

    Oh yeah, he’s sincere.
    /

    @realDonaldTrump talks about African Americans yet turned down meetings with the NAACP, NABJ and Urban League. #debate— Eli Williams (@EliWilllliams) October 10, 2016

  23. Macro 23

    My fav tweet so far:

    A Republican just texted to say Democrats should be happy–that Trump did enough to stop Republicans from trying to force him to step down.

  24. I’d say a draw or maybe even a lean toward Trump, who wasn’t as bad as he was in the first debate. He started as if he was on firm instructions not get shouty, then got shouty anyway.

    After the 30 minute mark, the debate centred more around issues of concern to the public, rather than politicking, and HC and Trump both came across as having done their homework and Trump looked almost convincing at times. Last 30 minutes Hillary was coasting, knowing nothing bad had happened to hurt her chances.

    Trump needed a big, big win today. He didn’t get it.

    The question of the day is ‘Where’s Mike Pence?’

    • TheExtremist 24.1

      I would say Trump won at not losing if you follow.

    • Blackcap 24.2

      If one looks at the betting markets then it was an overwhelming win for Trump.

      That said he is still an outsider to win but he now has a chance, before the debate it was as if the writing was on the wall.

      • miravox 24.2.1

        Apparently if one looks at the Mexican currency (a betting market for sure) then it was an overwhelming win for Clinton.

        • Colonial Viper 24.2.1.1

          Yes, absolutely. Wall St does agree with your conclusion that the debate “was an overwhelming win for Clinton.”

          Accordingly, the market makers, brokerages and billion dollar hedge funds were very pleased with Clinton’s performance and put their market money where her mouth is.

          • miravox 24.2.1.1.1

            hmm – with that 2nd para are you suggesting currency gamblers are placing their buy they want Clinton to win rather than because they think they’ll make money on a short term trade?

            I reckon if they thought Trump was winning, they’d place money where Trump’s mouth was – that would just be in the other direction.

            • Colonial Viper 24.2.1.1.1.1

              A big wall and high protective import duties are going to be very bad for the Mexican economy and Mexican based companies. It seems that the financial markets don’t think that Trump will be in power to make those things happen.

  25. McFlock 25

    Didn’t hear all of it, but it seemed a bit more even than last time. He managed to try to stick to a couple of prepared angles, although they weren’t exactly subtle.
    His natural trumpishness merely showed through rather than generally stood out 🙂

    Clinton seemed a bit more tested, as well – not on the ropes, but had to address some solid questions on policy.

    I’ll be interested to see if he 3am tweets this one 🙂

    • fender 25.1

      I heard a little extract where he had his cocaine nose-job thing going on again like in the first debate, so the 3am tweets are bound to be forthcoming.

  26. stunned mullet 26

    For righties

    Choice between Hillary, Donald and Helen Clark how would you vote ?

    For lefties

    Choice between Hillary, Donald and John Key how would you vote ?

  27. jcuknz 27

    I wonder how many actually watched?
    Missed the first one on purpose decided to watch 2nd and glad I did. **
    I still hope Trump wins if only to see what happens.
    Not sure which of them is worse .. Americans have a tough choice.

    ** Thanks for the link TRP and Lprent 🙂

  28. Guerilla Surgeon 28

    I can’t see much sense in attacking Bill Clinton. Bill is not actually running. He still has pretty good approval ratings even so. Although it’s interesting that the religious right seem to condemn Hillary for sticking with the man, it also condemns divorce. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

  29. joe90 29

    …..sniff….

    @carrieffisher tell me something about that sniffle…coke head or no?— Amy R (@reimamy) October 10, 2016

    @reimamy I'm an expert & ABSOLUTELY— Carrie Fisher (@carrieffisher) October 10, 2016

  30. Ad 30

    CNN post-election debate:
    Trump did less-than-bad, but Hillary beat him handsomely

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/09/politics/clinton-wins-debate-but-trump-exceeds-expectations/index.html

    • alwyn 30.1

      God, I hope CNN are correct and not Martyn Bradbury.
      He appears to think that “Oh God no! Trump beats Hillary in second debate”.
      Please, please let him be as wrong as he usually is.
      I don’t actually like Clinton but Trump really scares me.

      • TheExtremist 30.1.1

        Bomber is wrong about nearly everything so no need to worry

        • Morrissey 30.1.1.1

          In fact, Bomber is correct. Trump called her bluff on her violent anti-Russian rhetoric perfectly: he correctly pointed out that the Assad government and Russia are fighting Al Qaeda, and that the United States is backing Al Qaeda.

          All of Clinton’s bluster and sardonic smiling could not cover that up.

          • te reo putake 30.1.1.1.1

            ” … he correctly pointed out that the Assad government and Russia are fighting the Syrian medical system one hospital at a time”.

            Fixed it fot ya, Moz. No thanks needed.

            • left for dead 30.1.1.1.1.1

              No thanks needed.

              No one asked for that type of “so called ” help.
              Is this to be the trp site, in the near future.

              • te reo putake

                This is a multi author blog. The stats on readership and comments suggest my contributions add value to the site, but there are many others who contribute as authors and commenters and make TS the success that it is. You might want to consider how you could make your own contributions more memorable before attacking a regular.

                Morrissey and I go back years and you’ll see from his reply below, he gives as good as he gets. I’ll keep offering my help to him, just as I expect him to try and educate me from time to time.

                If your argument is really that the Russians are on the side of the angels, well, more fool you.

                • left for dead

                  You might want to consider how you could make your own contributions more memorable before attacking a regular.

                  I am a regular, and I wasn’t attacking you, just pointing out the that comments such as 30.1.1.1.1 is your view not what had been said by Bomber.
                  Pointless abuse is unhelpful. You have made that point many times here in the past. Got it. 👿

            • Morrissey 30.1.1.1.1.2

              Te Reo, you haven’t addressed these central points, and I have no doubt you will for some reason avoid answering them, so I’m putting them to people who are serious:

              1.) Is the United States, along with its vassals Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the United Kingdom, supporting Al Qaeda in Syria?

              2.) Have these four powers been involved in this bloody insurrection since 2011?

              3.) Does the United States have a history of pushing outrageous disinformation, such as the almost immediately discredited lie that the Syrian government had used chemical weapons?

              4.) Are the Syrian government and Russia fighting Al Qaeda in Syria?

              Unless you have the dedication of a true fanatic to the party line of the aggressors in this conflict, you will answer yes to all four questions.

              • te reo putake

                No, no, yes but no, no.

                • Morrissey

                  Te Reo, your flippancy with matters of truth and falsehood does you no credit.

                  • And there was I thinking my simple and mostly unequivocal answers* were entirely truthful and avoided falsehood. Would you have preferred I didn’t answer your questions?

                    *No.3 was a two parter, obviously.

                    • McFlock

                      I suspect your role in the debate was to accept Morrissey’s declamations with applause and gratitude, you delusional ingrate.

              • Colonial Viper

                1.) Is the United States, along with its vassals Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the United Kingdom, supporting Al Qaeda in Syria?

                Of course they are. Qatar is a big player here too.

                Their aim is to use Al Qaeda in Syria (also known as al-Nusra) as a proxy force to regime change Assad out of Damascus.

                The western allies can then deal with the the Jihadists at their leisure once Assad is gone.

                And from the Saudi Foreign Minister’s own words:

                Saudi Arabia’s foreign minister said on Saturday that his country would continue to support Syrian rebels if President Bashar al-Assad could not be removed through a political process.

                http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-saudi-idUSKCN0T31A320151114

                Most people realise nowadays that Saudi Arabia has been spreading Islamic extremism and jihadist terrorism around the world.

                And with the passing of the JASTA bill in the USA, the families of 9/11 victims will finally be able to get some recompense for the terrorist supporting actions of Saudi officials.

                • McFlock

                  [deleted]

                  not fucking worth it.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    I could also point you to the 2012 DIA report which states explicitly how the Gulf states intend to use Islamic extremist forces to destabilise Syria and set up a Salafist principality, breaking Syria apart.

                    • McFlock

                      Only because RT told you so. You probably haven’t actually read it, and if you had you wouldn’t understand it.

                      But I was more wondering why 9/11 families would want to sue Saudi Arabia, if the towers had actually been destroyed by pre-installed charges of nanothermite and the US had fabricated cellphone calls from passengers in order to promote the hijacking hoax. Hadn’t you been arguing shit like that for a few years, and now all of a sudden it WAS a mostly bunch of Saudi and Saudi-backed hijackers?

    • One Two 30.2

      CNN…..Jesus Christ!

      Surely you understand it is a Democrat leaning network and had been for decades

      What else would you expect ‘their poll’ to say..

      Clinton got crushed badly. They all did!

      It’s a staged circus though for which the script will be well enough controlled

      Like WWE, but without the talent!

    • Colonial Viper 30.3

      Trump did less-than-bad, but Hillary beat him handsomely

      Yep. Huffington Post’s headline is “Don in Flames.”

      Of course, this is just the liberal left echo chamber congratulating itself on Clinton having already won the election handsomely.

      • marty mars 30.3.1

        Yep and the right wing dingbats have trump for the win – who really cares. The lines as drawn and the sideshow is ending

      • RedLogix 30.3.2

        Just finished watching it all. A fascinating insight into the cultural battle for the heart of the USA. Two entirely different ways at looking at the world, both did an forceful and capable job of advocating them. Yes the debate had some very pointed moments, although it’s worth noting it was Clinton who went openly personal first.

        Keep in mind these are two families who know each other well. Donald and Bill used to be long time golfing buddies. The families attend each other’s weddings and so on. One can only speculate on the intense personal, human dynamics going on here.

        Clinton’s policy platform is the far more attractive and rational; yet Trump is the natural circuit-breaker needed and his performance here demonstrates this.

        Interesting also how Trump made a direct appeal to the Sander’s vote on three separate occasions.

        I still cannot stomach either of them, but It occurs to me that if we could morph the better parts of each we might finish up with a half decent President. Maybe they could job share. 🙂

        • Colonial Viper 30.3.2.1

          Here’s an interesting thing – the more personal the pressure and fierce the criticism that is directed at Trump, the more he pulls it together, the more he focusses and the more tightly he performs.

          Also – Trump is on a huge learning curve: Hillary has been doing campaign debates for a long time and for sure is the more prepared and the more polished. Where will Trump be on the curve by the time of debate 3?

          • joe90 30.3.2.1.1

            Did you notice the denials deliberately elicited from your boy?.

            Videos tomorrow.

            • Colonial Viper 30.3.2.1.1.1

              Yes I reckon that the Clinton campaign machine (helped by the Deep State) has a massive machine gun belt of stored up smear material on Trump ready to be fired in his direction.

              His team needs to be ready; this week they were not and Trump got hit hard and deservedly so.

              • Lanthanide

                Yes, a massive smear machine consisting of Trump’s own candid remarks and financial statements that every other candidate has always willingly published.

                The more the public learn about Trump, the less they like him.

                The first poll conducted only on the weekend, put Trump down on 36%.

                • TheExtremist

                  In CV’s world things people actually say and do are smears and Hillary Clinton having Parkinson’s disease are facts

              • RedLogix

                Another key moment was when Clinton was drawn into committing the US into directly attacking Syrian govt forces, while Trump made it plain that “Syria is Russia”.

                Based on their words in this debate alone, Clinton was by far the more hawkish on a war with Russia. That alone absolutely renders her unfit for President in my mind. Trump is welcome to make as many vulgar, demeaning remarks as he likes … they’re still way preferable to another re-run of the Cuban Missile crisis. (Which apparently only had a happy ending due to the guts of one very brave Russian submarine officer.)

                a massive machine gun belt of stored up smear material on Trump ready to be fired in his direction.

                We’re not far away from having the technology to record and store every word, action and electronic transaction of every person from birth to death, 24/7/365. Everyone standing for high public office should have their database opened for public scrutiny a year in advance.

                • Colonial Viper

                  Everyone standing for high public office should have their database opened for public scrutiny a year in advance.

                  Would someone like Phil Goff running for Mayor of Auckland be subject to this requirement?

                  If an automated reporting system is available to collate such records on candidates (or anyone else – a system I think which is already 95% in place), how will it be controlled so that authorities could not use it in inappropriate ways? Think Judith Collins and worse…

                  • RedLogix

                    Everyone. The lot. Sex lives and all. Zero privacy. Far more honest than the very selective privacy that is only really available to the very wealthy and powerful at present.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      That’s a different NZ society than the one we have today, for sure.

                    • RedLogix

                      Yes it is CV. You can tell I’m being just a little provocative here, but inevitably as ubiquitous surveillance becomes the norm these questions will become serious.

                      Look at it like this. Either you have 100% transparency, or 100% privacy. Anything in between involves selecting what is public or private. And that always begs the question; who does the selecting?

                      For the moment I’m going with 100% transparency as the simplest answer.

                • Macro

                  Jesus Red! Are you really wanting to let a sexual maniac loose in the White House? Not only is he an arrogant blustering misogynist, but and ignorant one at that, with not a single policy for his country other than to give the elite a massive tax break (oh! himself included! surprise! surprise!)
                  Can you imagine him at 3 am in the morning, in his cups, and a red alert? The result would be an absolute catastrophe world wide!
                  I have no time for Hillary Clinton but my god I fear for the world if he ever gets to be POTUS.

                  • RedLogix

                    Nope. Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein, Elizabeth Warren are my “really wanting” choices.

                    But sadly only Stein is on the ballot papers.

                    • Macro

                      Mine too but Jill Stein is running at 1% in the polls 🙁
                      So offered the choice of Melanoma or Schizophrenia which do you choose?

                    • RedLogix

                      Well that’s my point really; just because I pick melanoma doesn’t mean we can’t have an honest discussion about schizophrenia. Nor the reasons why some people, in good faith, want to pick schizophrenia.

                      Or to be a tad droll … facing catastrophe does rather free the mind.

                    • Pasupial

                      Jill Stein answers the same questions in this “expanded debate” over on Democracy Now (Gary Johnson was asked but was a no show). It’s interesting enough so far, but nearly two hours long! Even skipping past the bits I saw yesterday I’m not that far through yet

                      http://www.democracynow.org/shows/2016/10/10

              • Chooky

                I am sure Trump also has ammunition…just look at how he dealt to Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz at the last minute

                Clintons have form from way back and Hillary is complicit. She is no fool.

                ‘The Secret Life of Bill Clinton: The Unreported Stories ‘ (October 1, 1997)

                by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Life_of_Bill_Clinton

                • News flash – he’s not running, he already had his turn at pres.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    The perp and his enabler/clean up crew.

                    • Well done that made me laugh out loud in the real world. You sound like an idiot wannabe with your googled jargon techno speak. It fools only the fool-able.

                  • Siobhan

                    Yeah, but how about a Hillary-Bill double billing

                    “Mrs. Clinton told voters in Kentucky on Sunday that Mr. Clinton would be “in charge of revitalizing the economy, because, you know, he knows how to do it,” especially “in places like coal country and inner cities.” On a campaign swing this month before the West Virginia primary, she said her husband has “got to come out of retirement and be in charge” of creating jobs.”

                    Thats a touch more involved than previous ‘First Lady’ roles.

                • I am sure Trump also has ammunition…

                  Well, he would if Bill Clinton were somehow able to take a second run at the presidency. Given how much money the Republicans have “invested” in trying to get dirt on Hillary Clinton over a period of nearly 25 years, with no notable success, it’s not likely that Trump’s going to find something.

          • Lanthanide 30.3.2.1.2

            There’s a fair chance that debate 3 will be cancelled. Meanwhile, you still think Trump will win.

            🙄

            • Colonial Viper 30.3.2.1.2.1

              Do you think that either Clinton or Trump would benefit from the effect of such a cancellation, or would the result be a wash-up?

            • Phil 30.3.2.1.2.2

              There’s a fair chance that debate 3 will be cancelled.

              By ‘fair’, do you mean something close to zero?. Clinton is doing a perfectly adequate job of stating her case to the US-center while letting Trump ‘shit the bed’.

              If the debate is cancelled it’ll be for something outside the control of the candidates (like a natural disaster or terrorist attack).

              • Lanthanide

                Trump’s campaign could completely fall apart, eg Pence could quit and the Republican elites could actively disown him. Just requires the right scandal for him.

                Clinton might then say that there’s no need for a debate with Trump and that she won’t sully herself on the same stage, and do something else instead, or just not do anything.

  31. right on 31

    john key should be more like trump we need a trump here to sort out the poor who are pulling new zealand down

    [read the moderation notice here /cross-party-inquiry-into-homelessness-releases-report-government-must-act/#comment-1242965 You’ll be let out of premed when you can reply to this message saying you’ve understood. – weka]

    • Anne 31.1

      You’ll be let out of preschool once you’ve had some grammar, punctuation and comprehension lessons.

      • Chromophore 31.1.1

        A shame that you would criticise someone’s grammar and punctuation as a way of dissing their point of view.
        Is there test that should be sat before commenting on TS?
        It’s the kind of thing Trump would do.

    • Grafton Gully 31.2

      At 1:08:23 Hillary says “My vision of America is an America where everyone has a place if you’re prepared to work hard”. If you think hard work will “sort out the poor” Hillary might agree with you.

      • Colonial Viper 31.2.1

        Bill Clinton smashed the US welfare system during his term, including putting through changes depriving millions of American children in the poorest households of social welfare payments.

        Just so you know.

        • Macro 31.2.1.1

          Trump of course will restore it as well as slashing taxes for the super wealthy.

          • Colonial Viper 31.2.1.1.1

            No one is going to restore it, Macro. Well, except for maybe Bernie, but he sold out/got bought off.

  32. johnm 32

    Trump Crushes Clinton And Her Memorized Soundbites

    Without Her Rigged Podium And MicroTeleprompter, Clinton Was A Two-Faced, Two Dimensional, Tired, Hackneyed, Has-Been…A Political Farce…A Caricature Of The Failed, Deadly, Liberal Policies That Have All But Destroyed America. The Fraud click bait Media Is In Shock…Watch How They Will Squirm Trying To Explain Away Trump’s Astonishing Performance. How Could He Still Be Standing After Their Savage Abuse Of The Last Year And A Half. How Could He Have Dominated The Stage So Strongly And With Such Resolve And Stature…Especially After Having Been Ambushed, Pummeled And Put Through Such Contrived And Orchestrated Media Hell Over The Last 48 Hours? He Was Supposed To Be ‘Dead’ By Now. The Media Still Doesn’t Get It…Donald Trump Did It With His Enormous Strength Of Character, Flawless Discipline And Unswerving Passion For America And Its People. Trump Stood Like Mt Everest On His Sterling Positions On ALL The Key Issues We Face. America Is Clearly Bored And Disgusted With Clinton’s Arrogance, Sneering Condescension And Her Memorized, Empty, Tired, Non-Answers. Trump Defeated Not Only Clinton But An Evil And Corrupt Mass Media As Well. It Is Time For A Massive Change In America And We Have Seen, Once Again, That We Have The Right Man To Lead Us To Recovery And Prosperity…The Man Who WILL Make America Great Again.

    [Stephanie: Copy-pasting incoherent screeds from quack conservative sites does not make for interesting conversation. This is your one warning.]

    • Pasupial 32.1

      JoHnM…
      Your Strangely Capitilised Slogans Make You Look Like A TOTAL Fuckwit… Is That Intentional?

      • Pasupial 32.2.1

        JoHnM…
        The Posting Of An Alex Jones Clip Without Any Comment As To Why It Is Credible ALL But Confirms That You Are Indeed A Fuckwit… Siobhan’s Suggestion That You Could Be A; “seriously alternative rap, hip-hop” Stylist, Seems Disproved… Nor Do You Seem To Be An “Ironic” Performance Artist…

  33. joe90 33

    Oh look, the serial sexual offender lied, agian.

    During Sunday’s debate, Donald Trump once again said he doesn’t know whether Russia is trying to hack the U.S. election, despite Friday’s statement by the U.S. intelligence community pointing the finger at Putin — and despite the fact that Trump was personally briefed on Russia’s role in the hacks by U.S. officials.

    A senior U.S. intelligence official assured NBC News that cybersecurity and the Russian government’s attempts to interfere in the 2016 election have been briefed to, and discussed extensively with, both parties’ candidates, surrogates and leadership, since mid-August. “To profess not to know at this point is willful misrepresentation,” said the official. “The intelligence community has walked a very thin line in not taking sides, but both candidates have all the information they need to be crystal clear.”

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-was-told-russia-was-blame-hacks-long-debate-n663686

  34. Pasupial 34

    This is just so wonderfully wrong (warning – earwormy!):

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    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    4 days ago
  • Aggressive action to address climate change could save the world $145 trillion
    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections A respected research group, Project Drawdown, finds that deploying solutions consistent with meeting the Paris climate targets would cost tens of trillions of dollars globally. But crucially, those outlays would also yield long-term savings many times larger than the up-front costs. The new 2020 Drawdown ...
    4 days ago
  • After the Pandemic
    It will pass. What happens next? Not immediately, but longer term. There are many opinions, fewer certainties. Will it “change everything!” as many confidently, and contradictorily predict? In this post I look at how foresight can help bound some of the uncertainties so you can more objectively consider the future. ...
    SciBlogsBy Robert Hickson
    5 days ago
  • Coronavirus – Cuba shows the way
    We’ve been meaning t write something on Cuba and the coronavirus but have just discovered a very good article on the subject in the US left publication Jacobin.  The article looks at how Cuba, a poor country but one where capitalism has been done away with, is leading the way ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    5 days ago
  • Using privacy law to prevent the death penalty
    In 2018, El Shafee Elsheikh and Alexanda Kotey - two British citizens who had purportedly been stripped of their citizenship by the British government - were captured while fighting for Isis in Syria. The British government then conspired to hand them over to the US, and agreed to provide evidence ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • It’s Time For Disaster Socialism.
    Transformers: The disaster of the Great Depression was transformed into a new and fairer society by the democratic socialism of the First Labour Government. The disaster of the Covid-19 Pandemic offers a similar transformative possibility to the Labour-NZ First-Green Government. Seize the time, Jacinda! You will never have a better ...
    5 days ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #12, 2020
    Tamper with The System? Well, we already are. But there's a difference between accidentally trickling sand into a precision gearbox versus formulating a plan to alter it on the fly with improvements in mind. One action is more or less innocently unscrupulous, the other amenable to earning an easy ...
    5 days ago
  • Avoidable hospitalisations: Helping our health system get through COVID-19
    Associate Prof George Thomson, Louise Delany, Prof Nick Wilson While it is possible that New Zealand can use intense public health controls to eradicate COVID-19 from the country – we must also plan for other scenarios where thousands of New Zealanders are sick – including many urgently hospitalised.1 Better resilience ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    6 days ago
  • Raise the Bar: 10 questions to ask your employer proposing redundancy
    Kia ora my name is Chloe Ann-King* and I am the founder of Raise the Bar, a campaign and non-profit that gives free legal aid, advocacy and tautoko to hospitality workers in Aotearoa. Right now all over our country hospo workers are being fired at will, having shifts cut or being ...
    PosseBy chloeanneking
    6 days ago
  • An equitable way to support business
    The Herald reports that the government is planning to lend billions of dollars to large businesses to keep them operating during the pandemic. As with mortgage relief, this is necessary: we need companies to stay in business, to reduce the economic damage and help things get restarted again when this ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Hard News: Together Alone
    We're about to do something unprecedented as a nation. We hope that by taking this extraordinary action before a single life in New Zealand has been lost to the deadly novel virus we will save tens of thousands of lives. Our  lives. We'll do it together, in households, in isolation ...
    6 days ago
  • Why timing is everything: ‘A time to refrain from embracing’ starts today
    “There is a time for everything,    and a season for every activity under the heavens.”So writes the author of Ecclesiastes, a book in the Old Testament that’s counted as a ‘wisdom’ book and written as if by an unnamed king of Jerusalem. But who would have thought there would be a time ...
    PunditBy Tim Watkin
    6 days ago
  • Dealing with the Covid-19 Tsunami.
    I was surprised when the prime minister described the Economic Response to Covid-19 package as the ‘largest peacetime government spend in New Zealand's history’. Reflecting – checking through history – I realised that the term ‘spend’ was crucial and the package had no income tax cuts. Even so, it has ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    6 days ago
  • What about renters?
    The government today announced the latest part of its pandemic relief package: a six-month mortgage holiday for people whose incomes have been affected by the pandemic. Which is great, because these people are going to need help, and that's what the government should be doing. At the same time, it ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Living within our means.
    Years ago the Argentine sociologist Carlos Weisman wrote a book titled “Living within our Means.” It was a critique of Argentine society that focused on the paradoxical question of why, in a land of plenty, there was so much economic instability, inequality, corruption and political turmoil. His conclusion was basically ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    7 days ago
  • Transparency and the pandemic
    Parliament will be leading by example and adjourning tomorrow after a special sitting to consider an epidemic notice and state of emergency. Day-to-day oversight of the government will be delegated to a select committee. But that's not the only overight mechanism. The OIA will still be law, and (so far) ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • ‘Overjoyed’: a leading health expert on New Zealand’s coronavirus shutdown, and the challengin...
    Michael Baker, University of Otago Overjoyed. That’s not a word epidemiologists normally use, but that’s how I felt after hearing Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s announcement about New Zealand’s COVID-19 shutdown of everything except essential services for at least four weeks from midnight on Wednesday. More than anything, I just ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    7 days ago
  • One way to solve the housing crisis
    How much homelessness is caused by house hoarding? We're about to find out. The pandemic has destroyed tourism, which means that house hoarders who put their hoarded properties up as short-term tourist rentals are now offering them on the ordinary rental market:Property investors are pulling properties from Airbnb to offer ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • The pros and cons of planting trees to address global warming
    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections by Bruce Lieberman It seems like such a simple, straightforward, empowering idea: plant trees – a lot of trees – all over the world, and watch the planet’s temperature fall. Who doesn’t love a tree or two, even far more – the right ...
    7 days ago
  • Not a grand coalition, but a government of national salvation
    According to Newshub, Simon Bridges is open to joining a “grand coalition” with Labour as we hunker down to go into a month long lockdown. The idea is sound. Before now, the role of the opposition was to scrutinise and oppose. In the context of what almost amounts to a ...
    PunditBy Liam Hehir
    1 week ago
  • Raise the Bar: hospitality workers & wage subsidy entitlements
    Kia ora my name is Chloe Ann-King* and I am the founder of Raise the Bar, a campaign and non-profit that gives free legal aid, advocacy and tautoko to hospitality workers in Aotearoa. Right now all over our country hospo workers are being fired at will, having shifts cut or ...
    PosseBy chloeanneking
    1 week ago
  • Lifting our game against COVID-19
    We need to be lifting our game against COVID-19. You and I need to help those working to prevent the spread of COVID-19 while they’re trying to lift the testing and treatment efforts. We don’t want to be playing this game running backwards. Best to play it solidly forward, from ...
    SciBlogsBy Grant Jacobs
    1 week ago
  • The maths and ethics of minimising COVID-19 deaths in NZ
    Prof Tony Blakely, Prof Michael Baker, and Prof Nick Wilson The NZ Government must do more to clearly articulate its COVID-19 strategy: eradication or ‘flattening the curve’ mitigation. But to do so means understanding the maths and ethics of both these strategies. In this blog, we adapt our work for ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    1 week ago
  • All aboard the Covid Train
    A few days ago I was starting to write something about the pandemic, which now seems unconscionable. It took the form of a letter to an agony aunt:“Dear Deidre, I have an ugly confession. I am quite excited by Covid-19.”This is how the piece went:“I’m not a psychopath, honest. Although the ...
    PunditBy Phil Vine
    1 week ago
  • 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming Digest #12
    Story of the Week... Toon of the Week... Climate Feedback Article Review... Coming Soon on SkS... Climate Feedback Claim Reviews... SkS Week in Review... Poster of the Week... Story of the Week... In Just 10 Years, Warming Has Increased the Odds of Disasters The likelihood of extreme events ...
    1 week ago
  • We are all socialists now
    Last week, the government announced a $12 billion initial package to support people during the pandemic. Today, the Reserve Bank is buying government bonds - effectively printing money - to keep up the money supply during the crisis. Normally such moves would have the right apoplectic. Instead, the National Party ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A plea to experts: safeguard your role in public life
    I am a pundit, somebody who opines and comments on the news. There are no real qualifications to punditry though having a rudimentary way with words and good general knowledge helps. That is one reason there is a constant oversupply of would-be pundits and why it is quite hard to ...
    PunditBy Liam Hehir
    1 week ago
  • Enlightenment when?
    I recently encountered the following prescription from a Faculty of Education at a leading New Zealand University. At first I wondered if it was another product of the postmodern generator (http://www.elsewhere.org/journal/pomo/), designed to create gibberish in the postmodern form, but I’m told it is real: The “schooled” society: Towards the ...
    SciBlogsBy Michael Corballis
    1 week ago
  • What the Crisis Can teach Us
    The coronavirus pandemic has of course had a major impact on individual lives and on societies as a whole. But, long after the crisis has passed (assuming it does), we will begin to realise that its real and lasting significance lies in the lessons it has taught us, if only ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • Hammering home measures to stop COVID-19
    COVID-19 has plunged Aotearoa New Zealand (indeed, the world) into territory that, while maybe not totally unprecedented, certainly hasn’t been seen during the lifetimes of most of us here today. Our borders are closed to non-citizens, we’re being told not to gather in groups of more than 500 outside/100 inside, ...
    PunditBy Andrew Geddis
    1 week ago
  • What does ‘level two’ mean – and why does it matter?
    For the last few weeks, I’ve been urging you to prepare yourself, your family, business, and community for Covid-19. Now it’s time for real action.  Yesterday the director-general of health Dr Ashley Bloomfield announced another 13 confirmed cases of Covid-19 in New Zealand, bringing our total to date to 52. ...
    SciBlogsBy Siouxsie Wiles
    1 week ago
  • 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #12
    A chronological listing of news articles linked to on the Skeptical Science Facebook Page during the past week, i.e., Sun, Mar 15, 2020 through Sat, Mar 21, 2020 Editor's Pick Now Isn’t the Time to Forget About Our Climate Change Efforts   Tasha Tilberg, Lindsey Wixson, and Liu Wen photographed ...
    1 week ago
  • Is the Guardian becoming  a real newspaper again?
    by Jan Rivers The article has been corrected to show that it was Ewen MacAskill, former Guardian journalist and not Luke Harding who travelled to meet Edward Snowden with journalist Glenn Greenwald and filmmaker Laura Poitras.  Some of the Guardian’s well-known journalists who did not sign the protest letter are ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Life asserts itself regardless
    by Cultural Worker Late March 2020 amidst the virus. With gigs crashing and burning all around it was without much hope that I called a long standing rest home booking: “ Hi, I’m supposed to be entertaining at your place this afternoon – is it still on?” “”If you don’t ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Politics, the possible, and the pandemic
    Whenever people demand real change from their politicians, we're told that "politics is the art of the possible". The implication is that change isn't possible, so we'd better just get used to the sucky status quo. But now that there's a pandemic, a lot of things we were previously told ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • The Only Way Through This Crisis Is Together.
    Together: In leading New Zealand through the Covid-19 Pandemic, the Prime Minister could do a lot worse than allow herself to be guided by the spirit of collective sacrifice and co-operation that animated the New Zealanders of 80 years ago. Most Kiwis alive today have had no opportunity to prove their ...
    2 weeks ago
  • GFC vs Covid-19
    It is said that generals fight the last war. In the case of the early stages of the Global Financial Crisis (GFC) they had learned from the Great Depression of the 1930s and they fought intelligently and successfully. Later their advice would be ignored in favour of the Austerians who ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    2 weeks ago
  • Nobody Left Behind.
    Solidarity Forever: All over the world, the arrival of the Covid-19 virus has exposed the fragility of the walls we erect around ourselves and our loved ones. It has shattered our illusions of autonomy and revealed to us how utterly dependent we all are on other human-beings. Finally, we see ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Rebuilding a truly “Democratic” counter, or a “moderate Republican” bolt-hol...
    Looking across the various arguments for/against the leading candidates to take the Democratic Nomination, you might honestly be very hard pressed to tell. There are a number of things that have now started happening since Amy Klobuchar and “Mayor Pete” Buttigieg both threw the towel in and immediately (and ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    2 weeks ago
  • Abortion law reform a win for women
    by Daphna Whitmore Abortion is no longer in the Crimes Act in New Zealand. The law reform passed yesterday and now abortion is a medical matter between a woman and her doctor. Many women’s groups and progressive people have campaigned for reform for decades. The women’s liberation movement and some ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • How to spot bogus science stories and read the news like a scientist
    Doug Specht, University of Westminster and Julio Gimenez, University of Westminster When fake news, misreporting and alternative facts are everywhere, reading the news can be a challenge. Not only is there plenty of misinformation about the coronavirus pandemic, climate change and other scientific topics floating around social media, you also ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago
  • Why New Zealand needs to continue decisive action to contain coronavirus
    Michael Baker, University of Otago and Nick Wilson, University of Otago With some of the toughest border restrictions and a newly-announced NZ$500 million boost to health services, New Zealand is among a small number of countries with a strategy to contain the COVID-19 pandemic. New Zealand is also fortunate in ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    2 weeks ago
  • Parliament and the pandemic II
    As expected, the government has introduced a sessional order to allow Parliament to operate during the pandemic. You can read it on the Order Paper here, but the short version is that questions and motions can be filed electronicly, select committees can work remotely, and the the Business Committee can ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • When a virus goes viral: pros and cons to the coronavirus spread on social media
    Axel Bruns, Queensland University of Technology; Daniel Angus, Queensland University of Technology; Timothy Graham, Queensland University of Technology, and Tobias R. Keller, Queensland University of Technology News and views about coronavirus has spread via social media in a way that no health emergency has done before. Platforms like Twitter, Facebook, ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago
  • How to survive 14 days of self-isolation
    So you’ve recently returned from overseas, come into contact with someone who tested positive, got a bit of a dry cough yourself or perhaps just want to self isolate for 14 days to avoid other people who might have COVID-19. Here are a few tips and tricks to help get ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Abortion Legislation Bill passes third reading
    Some fave speeches:     ...
    Boots TheoryBy Stephanie Rodgers
    2 weeks ago
  • Why Leadership Matters – More Than Anything.
    Our Good Fortune: Precisely because she has never been an ideologue (she calls herself a “pragmatic idealist”) Jacinda Ardern has a political nimbleness and spontaneity which, when infused with her exceptional emotional intelligence, produces spectacular demonstrations of leadership. Jacinda's empathic political personality contrasts sharply with the less-than-sunny ways of her ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #11, 2020
    2 weeks ago
  • 68-51
    The Abortion Legislation Bill has just passed its third reading, 68-51. NZ First MPs bailed because their referendum amendment didn't pass, but there were plenty of MPs to provide a majority without them. The bill is a long way from perfect - most significantly, it subjects pregnant people who need ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • The ‘herd immunity’ route to fighting coronavirus is unethical and potentially dangerous
    As most of the world tries to suppress the coronavirus spread, some countries are going it alone – trying to manage the pandemic through so-called “herd immunity”. Herd immunity means letting a large number of people catch a disease, and hence develop immunity to it, to stop the virus spreading. ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago
  • Eight new COVID-19 cases today. It’s no surprise when you look at some numbers
    So, as I sit at home with a very, very slight headache (i.e. not at work when I would otherwise be so), the now familiar figure of Ashley Bloomfield reports eight new confirmed cases of COVID-19  including two in Waikato. A surprise, given that we had just twelve yesterday? No. ...
    SciBlogsBy Marcus Wilson
    2 weeks ago
  • The WINZ Paradox versus the new COVID-19 Reality: Get real people, seriously…
    Many who advocated for, and voted for, the current Coalition – particularly those who voted Labour and the Green Party – expected to see a sea change in the reality of social services. A real, deep change of attitude, approach of process through which the system negotiates the difficult and ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    2 weeks ago

  • Christchurch Hospital Hagley ICU to open to support COVID-19 response
    Health Minister Dr David Clark says 36 new intensive care beds at Christchurch Hospital’s new Hagley building are being fast tracked so they are available for treatment of COVID-19 patients.   The Ministry of Health is working with contractor CPB and Canterbury DHB to enable access to the hospital’s ICU, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    10 hours ago
  • Government supports Air NZ freight flights
    The Government has fast-tracked up to $1 million to help Air New Zealand move urgent freight to and from New Zealand, with the first flight to Shanghai leaving tonight, Transport Minister Phil Twyford announced today. Phil Twyford says it’s crucial that trade in vital goods such as medical supplies and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    20 hours ago
  • Tariff concessions on COVID-19 related products
    New Zealand will temporarily remove tariffs on all medical and hygiene imports needed for the COVID-19 response. Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker and Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Kris Faafoi said today that the New Zealand Customs Service will apply tariff concessions to all diagnostic reagents and testing ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Clarification of modification to wage subsidy scheme
    Minister of Finance Grant Robertson has clarified that the changes to the wage subsidy scheme announced yesterday mean that employers should be passing on the full subsidy to workers, except in the case where the person’s normal income is less than the level of the subsidy. “We still want employers ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Face masks flowing to DHBs
    Medical face masks from the national reserve supply are now being distributed to District Health Boards, while at the same time local production is being ramped up. Yesterday more than 640,000 masks were sent to DHBS – that is an immediate two week supply, with more to follow in coming ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • COVID-19: Further steps to protect New Zealanders’ jobs
    The Government has made modifications to the wage subsidy scheme to ensure people don’t lose their jobs during the national lockdown. These changes will soften the impact of COVID-19 on workers, families and businesses, and position them to exit the lockdown and look to recovery, Finance Minister Grant Robertson says. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Tax relief for Mycoplasma Bovis farmers
    Farmers whose herds were culled in response to the outbreak of Mycoplasma bovis will be able to minimise the tax treatment of their income in some circumstances. Revenue Minister Stuart Nash says Cabinet has agreed to change the law. It means farmers may be eligible to spread their income over ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • $27 million for NGOs and community groups to continue providing essential services
    A $27 million dollar package, effective immediately, is being provided to social sector services and community groups to ensure they can continue to provide essential support to communities as we stay at home as a nation to stop the spread of COVID-19, Minister for Social Development Carmel Sepuloni announced. “At ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Statement on guilty plea of March 15 terrorist
    “The guilty plea today will provide some relief to the many people whose lives were shattered by what happened on March 15,” Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said. “These guilty pleas and conviction bring accountability for what happened and also save the families who lost loved ones, those who were injured, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • COVID-19 updates
    The Prime Minister is holding daily press conferences to update New Zealanders on the Government's response to COVID-19. Links to videos and transcripts of these updates below. These transcripts also include All of Government press conferences led by Director Ministry of Health's Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield. 25 March: Live update from the Prime ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Police numbers break through 10,000 mark
    Frontline Police numbers have broken through the 10,000 mark for the first time in history as officers step forward to keep the community safe during the COVID19 lockdown. “Two Police graduations in Auckland and Wellington in the past week have been conducted in unprecedented circumstances,” Police Minister Stuart Nash said. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Urgent tax measures for economic recovery
    Urgent legislation has been passed to support the package of economic and social measures needed to recover from the impact of the coronavirus outbreak. “The COVID-19 Response (Taxation and Social Assistance Urgent Measures) Bill will cushion New Zealanders from the worst economic impacts of the COVID-19 outbreak,” said Revenue Minister ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Further support for farmers and growers as drought persists
    From tomorrow, Government support for farmers and growers affected by drought will be expanded and extended across the country, with access to Rural Assistance Payments (RAPS) available throughout the North Island, parts of the South Island and the Chatham Islands, Social Development Minister Carmel Sepuloni announced. “These challenging conditions have ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • COVID-19: Temporary changes to Education Act
    Parliament has passed amendments to legislation that give the Secretary of Education stronger powers to act in the fight to limit the spread of COVID-19, Education Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “They are part of a suite of changes passed under the COVID-19 Response (Urgent Management Measures) Legislation Bill,” Chris ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Canada, Australia, Chile, Brunei and Myanmar join NZ and Singapore in committing to keeping supply a...
    Canada, Australia, Chile, Brunei and Myanmar have joined forces with New Zealand and Singapore by committing to keep supply chains open and remove any existing trade restrictive measures on essential goods, especially medical supplies, in the face of the Covid-19 crisis.  Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker today welcomed ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • COVID-19: Rent increase freeze and more protection for tenants
    Immediate freeze on rent increases Tenancies will not be terminated during the lock-down period, unless the parties agree, or in limited circumstances Tenants who had previously given notice can stay in their if they need to stay in the tenancy during the lock-down period Tenants will still be able to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Working together to protect businesses and workers
    As New Zealand unites to lock-down in the fight against COVID-19, the Finance Minister is urging all businesses and workers to stay connected over the next four weeks. “We understand the extreme pressure many businesses are under right now. I know most business owners think of their workers as family ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • State of National Emergency declared to fight COVID-19
    A State of National Emergency has been declared across the country as the Government pulls out all the stops to curtail the spread of COVID-19. “Today we put in place our country’s second ever State of National Emergency as we fight a global pandemic, save New Zealanders’ lives and prevent ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Prime Minister’s statement on State of National Emergency and Epidemic Notice
    Mr Speaker I wish to make a Ministerial Statement under Standing Order 347 in relation to the recent declaration of a State of National Emergency. Having considered the advice of the Director Civil Defence Emergency Management, the Minister of Civil Defence declared a State of National Emergency for the whole of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Deadline for domestic travel extended
    People needing to travel on domestic flights, trains and Cook Strait ferries to get home before the country moves into level 4 lock-down tomorrow night will be able to continue using the passenger services until midnight on Friday, Transport Minister Phil Twyford said today. Domestic passenger services, particularly ferries, have ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Mortgage holiday and business finance support schemes to cushion COVID impacts
    The Government, retail banks and the Reserve Bank are today announcing a major financial support package for home owners and businesses affected by the economic impacts of COVID-19. The package will include a six month principal and interest payment holiday for mortgage holders and SME customers whose incomes have been ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Government working to keep air freight moving
    Minister of Transport Phil Twyford has today announced details of the Government’s support package to keep key air freight moving and ensure New Zealanders retain access to essential goods during the four-week level 4 lockdown. “The Government is working with airlines and air freight operators to ensure New Zealand’s key ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • New Zealand moves to COVID-19 Alert Level 3, then Level 4 in 48 hours
    New Zealand moved up to COVID-19 Alert Level 3 – Restrict New Zealand to move up to COVID-19 Alert Level 4 – Eliminate, in 48 hours Two-staged approach to give people and businesses time to prepare  Level 3, from tomorrow Non-essential businesses must close All events and gatherings must be ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Prime Minister: COVID-19 Alert Level increased
    Good afternoon  The Cabinet met this morning to discuss our next actions in the fight against COVID-19.  Like the rest of the world, we are facing the potential for devastating impacts from this virus. But, through decisive action, and through working together, do we have a small window to get ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Govt takes significant economic decisions as NZ readies for Alert Level 4 in COVID-19 fight
    The Government is announcing significant further support for the economy, workers and businesses as the country unites to prepare for Alert Level 4 in the fight against COVID-19. Cabinet today agreed to remove the cap on the Government’s wage subsidy scheme, which will inject a further $4 billion into the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Govt backs RBNZ move to support economy with lower interest rates
    The Government is backing the Reserve Bank’s latest action to support the economy by reducing longer-term interest rates, meaning lower costs for businesses and mortgage holders, and a lower currency to help our exporters. The Minister of Finance has signed a memorandum of understanding and a letter of indemnity with ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Government statement on commercial cooperation during COVID-19
    The Government has asked the Commerce Commission to take account of the exceptional circumstances created by COVID-19 when monitoring business behaviour in coming weeks.   “The purpose of my request to the Commerce Commission is to make sure businesses can work together in ways that will allow them to provide ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • New Zealand temporarily closes diplomatic posts in Barbados and Myanmar due to COVID-19
    The New Zealand Government has temporarily closed its High Commission in Bridgetown, Barbados and its Embassy in Yangon, Myanmar due to the COVID-19 pandemic, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says.   “Due to the increasing scarcity of air links in and out of Bridgetown and Yangon, and the pressure COVID-19 is placing ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Supporting Māori communities and businesses through
    Associate Health and Whānau Ora Minister Peeni Henare has today announced the Government’s plan to support Māori communities and businesses in the face of COVID-19. “Our Government’s $12.1 billion economic package will help many Māori whānau, workers and businesses, whether it’s through wage subsidies, income support and worker redeployment, or ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Guidelines for hospitality establishments released
    The Government and the hospitality industry have worked together to produce guidelines to assist with managing and reducing transmission of COVID-19, Health Minister David Clark announced today.  The guidelines developed between the Government, Hospitality New Zealand and SkyCity Entertainment Group, set out how the new restrictions on physical distancing and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Nation steps up to COVID-19 Alert Level 2
    Four stage Alert System for COVID-19 announced New Zealand moved up to COVID-19 Alert Level 2 – Reduce Contact New Zealanders over 70 and those with certain medical conditions told to stay at home as much as they can to reduce risk of contact with the virus Workplaces to implement ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • PM Address – Covid-19 Update
    Kia ora koutou katoa I’m speaking directly to all New Zealanders today to give you as much certainty and clarity as we can as we fight Covid-19. Over the past few weeks, the world has changed. And it has changed very quickly. In February it would have seemed unimaginable to ...
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    1 week ago
  • NZ and Singapore commit to keeping supply and trade links open, including on essential goods and med...
    New Zealand and Singapore have jointly committed to keep supply chains open and to remove any existing trade restrictive measures on essential goods, especially medical supplies, in the face of the Covid-19 crisis. Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker welcomed the commitment. “This is an important collective response, and ...
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    1 week ago
  • Joint Ministerial Statement by Singapore and New Zealand -Covid-19 situation
    JOINT MINISTERIAL STATEMENT BY SINGAPORE AND NEW ZEALAND AFFIRMING COMMITMENT TO ENSURING SUPPLY CHAIN CONNECTIVITY AMIDST THE COVID-19 SITUATION  The COVID-19 pandemic is a serious global crisis.  As part of our collective response to combat COVID-19, Singapore and New Zealand are committed to maintaining open and connected supply chains. We ...
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  • Transit between Australia and New Zealand
    Travel restrictions, closing our border to almost all travelers came into force from 23:59 on Thursday 19 March 2020 (NZDT).  All airlines were informed of these restrictions before they came into force. Immigration Minister Iain Lees-Galloway says “The transit of passengers between Australia and New Zealand has been agreed upon and ...
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  • $100 million to redeploy workers
    The Government has allocated $100 million to help redeploy workers affected by the economic impact of COVID-19, with the hard-hit region of Gisborne-Tairāwhiti to be the first helped, Economic Development Minister Phil Twyford, Forestry and Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones and Employment Minister Willie Jackson announced today. Phil Twyford ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • More support for wood processing
    The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) is ramping up support for Tairāwhiti’s wood processing sector to bolster the region’s economy at a time of heightened uncertainty, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones announced today. Following earlier announcements today of a regional support package for Tairāwhiti, Minister Jones has also announced a ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Govt steps in to protect Air New Zealand
    The Coalition Government has stepped in to protect Air New Zealand with a significant financial deal that protects essential routes and allows the company to keep operating. The Government and Air New Zealand have agreed a debt funding agreement through commercial 24-month loan facilities of up to $900 million*. The ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Stronger border measures to protect NZers from COVID-19
    The Government has taken further measures to protect New Zealanders from the COVID-19 virus, effectively stopping all people from boarding a plane to New Zealand from 11:59pm today, except for returning New Zealanders, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced today.  New Zealanders’ partners, legal guardians or any dependent children travelling with ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Action on indoor gatherings and events to protect public health
    The Government has reinforced its commitment to protecting the health of New Zealanders from COVID-19 through the cancellation of indoor events with more than 100 people.  “Protecting the health of New Zealanders is our number one priority, and that means we need to reduce the risks associated with large gatherings,” ...
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