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Crosby Textor spin the use of Crosby Textor

Written By: - Date published: 1:52 pm, July 1st, 2008 - 33 comments
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I wish some journo would ask Key whether Crosby/Textor helped him with lines on how to handle questions about his using them – they must have a standard set they give their clients. Would Key really have thought of this one himself:

John Key says the vast bulk of advice he takes is from the public not consultants.

I think not. Sounds like classic Crosby/Textor to me.

UPDATE: Seems we’re not the only ones detecting shades of Crosby/Textor in Key’s handling of the scandal. Audrey Young comments:

One thing [Key] could confirm: ‘I’m going to set the tone of National’s campaign and that tone will be optimistic, positive and ambitious because it reflects my personality and it reflects the way the country should be run.’

Such a perfectly formed phrase – perhaps from Crosby Textor – that he repeated it three times.

33 comments on “Crosby Textor spin the use of Crosby Textor”

  1. Love that slip “I do condone push polling”

    might be time for a “Key parroting C/T vs Key in his own words” later in the week

  2. Matthew Pilott 2

    As I mentioned in another thread, if he valued advice from the public, he wouldn’t be doing his utmost to prevent them from advising him!

  3. andy 3

    Audrey Young has finally woken up, this may be a story after all.

    John Key is starting to remind me of the Mad Butcher, whom I interviewed in Auckland years ago at a disabilities conference about a particular affliction he had.

    It’s the one where you say Yes when you mean No, and Yesterday when you mean Tomorrow, and Right when you mean Wrong.

  4. Tane 4

    Andy, that’s a good piece by Audrey.

    One thing he could confirm: “I’m going to set the tone of National’s campaign and that tone will be optimistic, positive and ambitious because it reflects my personality and it reflects the way the country should be run.”

    Such a perfectly formed phrase – perhaps from Crosby Textor – that he repeated it three times.

    Looks like the media are clicking to Key’s lines.

  5. andy 5

    Tane

    My favorite line:

    The failure to confirm what everybody knows and what the party is willing to confirm with a nod and wink is quite ludicrous. It is lending a sinister tone to something which should be freely admitted. If Crosby Textor were worth the money they are being paid, they would have advised Key of that ages ago.

    bugger!

  6. insider 6

    I note Damien O’Connor has been listening at the foreign owned dark arts practitioners UMR’s strategy sessions and absorbed their perfect formed poll driven phrases –

    ‘slippery’ was in every second sentence, ‘front up’ was a regular, and ‘unpatriotic’ reared its ugly head (echoing the Standard’s bad mouthing NZ line – got any connection with UMR guys?).

    Interesting the govt has been going on about lack of Nat policy yet their main attack line appears to be not on policy but on personality

  7. Billy 7

    Sorry to post this here, but has anyone seen ‘sod? He never calls, he never writes. I’m worried about him.

  8. Felix 8

    Don’t worry Billy, I’m sure he’d never post around.

  9. mike 9

    “but she (HC) avoided saying the party would reveal all its consultants.”

    Well that’s pretty interesting. Fess up or shut up Helen.

  10. rjs131 10

    All this is great news for Darien Fenton. I have no doubt that it will acuse a massive swing against John Key as the good people of Helensville realise this is the greatest scandal in the history of the world.. Bring on the Fenton landslide win I say!

  11. insider 11

    Labour’s dirty campaign is shown to be even more likely to be a dirty one by this

    “She [HC] would not rule out push-polling either from Labour – something that Key categorically ruled out from National in the coming election campaign – but only “honest” push-polling.”

    I thought push polling was a crime judging by recent commentary at the Standard and by the PM. Obviously it is only wrong when done by the ‘wrong’ people.

  12. mike. Young’s reading of what Clark said is weird. Clark said she is happy to make all it’s outside contractors public – pollsters and focus group people – Labour doesn’t have secret contractors doing its spin, that’s National.

    Billy. Wasn’t there a gang bust in Timaru the other night? And now the ‘sod’s missing? Coincidence?

  13. Tane 13

    Steve, FFS, the possessive apostrophes on “its”.

  14. Billy 14

    OMG, Tane, you’re pointing out grammatical errors in a superior and hectoring way. That used to be our thing…[emotional sniffle].

  15. lprent 15

    insider: that requires explanations – it should be obvious, but I guess you need handholding.

    1. What is the third party that will arbitrate what is push-polling? After watching the hypocrites of the right redefine whatever they want I wouldn’t trust them not to redefine a sheep as a cow. For instance what a “labour funded blog” is.

    2. I was thinking after looking at Key saying they wouldn’t be ‘push-polling’, and recollecting that the Nat’s asserted they hadn’t done any in 2005. It was done ‘independently’ by the exclusive brethren after a few chats with national party leading lights. Yeah right.

    3. Bearing in mind that Helen is honest and Key probably isn’t at anything except maybe a technical level (see point 2 and consider Bill Clinton). She isn’t excluding it because of point 1 and 2. If the Nat’s or their proxies do it again, then Labour will as well. Labour isn’t likely to do quite the level of dirt in push-polling that the Nat’s or their proxies are likely to do. But they do have to counter if it is used against them

    This is a long way of saying that you’re acting like a political idiot. Please read some material on MAD strategies.

  16. insider. no connection to UMR. I came up with ‘New Zealand sucks’ campaign phrase on The Standard. It’s not the best phrase in the world but it sums up the Nats’ strategy nicely. I would suggest that either Labour people have read the blog (we know they do, Darien Fenton and a couple of other MPs have commented) and picked up the idea but not the wording (which is fair enough, it’s not msm compatible) or O’Connor came up with it himself – it’s pretty obvious that National is running NZ down at every opportunity to make people feel the country is going down the tubes under Labour, even though the facts don’t back that up. I claim no special powers in elucidating such things and others are perfectly capable of doing the same.

    and, insider, I suspect what Clark said is that she rules out any “dishonest push polling”, and Young has taken a weird reading of that too. She is simply saying push polling is dishonest (it is by its nature) and that Labour won’t do it, not that Labour would do some kind of mythical ‘honest’ push polling.

  17. Lampie 17

    This is what LaBOUR SOULD SAY WHEN COMMENTING ABOUT any of the Nat’s comments

    “sounds a bit like Crosby Texter to me”

    make it a catch phrase

    Need to get some association going with the Nat’s comments

  18. lprent 18

    I was thinking something like “The pricks from Dirty Tricks” but that is too long

  19. tane. When you do a post, I’ll correct my practices, vis-à-vis possessive pronoun punctuation.

    [Tane: I’d write more myself, but it’s a full time job cleaning up after you bro]

  20. mike 20

    “She is simply saying push polling is dishonest (it is by its nature) and that Labour won’t do it, not that Labour would do some kind of mythical ‘honest’ push polling.”

    Steve – are you Crosby Textor?

  21. Dancer 21

    It occurs to me like a few of the political journalists may be wondering how much of their conversations with Mr Key have been all his own work, and how much has originated elsewhere.

    This is dangeroug territory for National. It seems acknowledged widely that Mr Key does not have a great handle on policy detail – so his need to stick to script is greater (as we know what happens when he tries to explain the detail. Remember how lacking in credibility he was on the $50 fine for offenders?). Clark on the other hand, may be given lines, but she doesn’t tend to do that “Repeat this sentence despite the question” trick other poli’s try. And we know as she has an opinion (and the knowledge to back it up) on a vast array of topics – and is usually only too happy to try and explain it in great detail. Seems like the two big parties have the opposite problem!

  22. Matthew Pilott 22

    Yeah mike, steve is two people.

  23. mike 23

    Phew, I didn’t think one man could hold down a job, make fictional graphs and be a fulltime labour hack

    [lprent: Exactly why did you call him a ‘labour’ hack? From memory, Clinton has said that he was more likely to support the greens than anyone else.
    Those graphs cannot be as fictional as the ones Bryan has been doing. Those don’t even have the sources, whereas you can always argue Clinton’s ones because he puts in accurate sources.
    Now let me put this another way – you got really really close to me kicking you off for a while.]

  24. Hey, what about Labour forgetting about the superannuation for the Toll workers eh. I thought you guys would have been all over that story, given that this is supposed to be a worker-friendly government.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2008/07/labours-latest-rail-cock-up.html

  25. Tane 25

    IV2, sounds like an honest cock-up. I’ll put it down below the three other stories on workers’ rights I’d like to write but don’t have time to.

  26. andy 26

    Pass the hankie for the pearl clutching bedwetters of the right!

    Oh how horrible these email thefts are, these lefties are a terrible bunch, we of the right would never stoop to such levels. We in the real world, use common sense and want the best for the country. Clark only wants power to forward her own personal agenda. Those lefties are ideological nasties.

    The wailing and gnashing of teeth over CT looks like buyers remorse to me.

    captcha: tities wilbour

  27. insider 27

    Steve

    While the UMR comment was made in jest I appreciate the response. I am happy to take you guys at your word about your non affiliations.

    I read HC’s comment as meaning they won’t use blatantly ‘false’ claims to test themes (ie would you vote for Key if you knew he supported eating babies?) but ones they think are ‘believeable’. One was used in Parliament today – “how much is National going to slash health budgets?’ The kind of thing you guys do all the time around workers rights and wages. No evidence but fits a perception.

    Lynne
    Not sure what you are on about. I’ll agree HC is as honest as most other politicians. The rest seemed to be inventing scenarios around things I hadn’t said. You’re not push polling are you?

  28. lprent 28

    Nope.

    BTW: I liked the way that you carefully didn’t say that HC was honest. Have you been reading that paper over at the media law journal on how to dodge awkward questions?

  29. forgetaboutthelastone 29

    so some CT inspired national party dirty tricks so far would be:

    – just the other day Key grossly over-stated SPARC funding. The media laps it up, the next day it comes out that his figures are wrong. But according to CT ‘explaining is losing’ and accordingly the MSM don’t bother reporting the error – the perception stands.

    – last year some time, Key selectively quoted HC as saying she didn’t think tax cuts were a good idea when in fact she said tax cuts were not a good idea in the current economic climate (2005 or whenever it was). At the time the Labour Party stated ‘explaining is losing’ and again no correction appeared in the media.

    It really is a sickening thing this ‘explaining is losing’ – its like saying ‘lies will always triumph over the truth as long as you get in first’.

    I’d like to see a bit of the opposite ‘explaining is winning’ in the MSM at the moment.

  30. higherstandard 30

    Lynne

    The Prime Minister is just as adept at misdirection, misleading and lying as any other politician in the house as she should and has to be to get to where she is – sadly this is the nature of politics.

    A good example from that link you found for me…Undoubtedly Prime Minister Helen Clark is New Zealand’s leading exponent of the Dodge. Her answers, even when not quite on point, merge seamlessly with the questions. Take her description of the time she ticked off Tariana Turia for comparing the plight of Maori after colonisation to the holocaust…

    http://www.medialawjournal.co.nz/?p=103

    Some of the examples from Shipley and Maharey are also superb – Key could learn a bit from how these people respond to questions without really responding.

  31. mike 31

    “lprent: Exactly why did you call him a ‘labour’ hack? From memory, Clinton has said that he was more likely to support the greens than anyone else.”

    Fair call, I should have said left wing hack.

  32. ak 32

    Sheeshus burtHS: I’ve got a few more ancient barrels round here that need their bottoms scraped when you’ve finished there….

  33. Paul Robeson 33

    “I do condone push polling/torture/the war in Iran/Iraq”

    NZ media (both of them not outsourced to Australia): really?

    ” wait, *checks script* no, no I do not condone push polling”

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    6 days ago
  • Rental reforms progress to select committee stage
    The Government continues to make progress on a fairer and more secure rental market for renters and landlords with the First Reading of the Residential Tenancies Amendment Bill and its referral to the Social Services and Community Select Committee.  “Now is the opportunity for landlords, tenants and others who want ...
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    7 days ago
  • Papua New Guinea Prime Minister to visit New Zealand
    Papua New Guinea’s Prime Minister Hon James Marape will visit New Zealand from 21-25 February, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced today. “New Zealand and Papua New Guinea have a warm and friendly relationship. I look forward to welcoming Prime Minister Marape here and strengthening the relationship between our two countries,” ...
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    7 days ago
  • Free school lunches served up to thousands
    Thousands of children have begun receiving a free lunch on every day of the school week, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said. The Government’s free and healthy school lunch programme is under way for 7,000 students at 31 schools in Hawke’s Bay / Tairāwhiti and Bay of Plenty / Waiariki, extending ...
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    7 days ago
  • Social Wellbeing Agency replaces Social Investment Agency with new approach
    The Minister for Social Development Carmel Sepuloni today announced a new approach that continues to broaden the Government’s social sector focus from a narrow, investment approach to one centred on people and wellbeing. Minister Sepuloni said redefining the previous approach to social investment by combining science, data and lived experience ...
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    7 days ago
  • Government to strengthen protections for whistleblowers
    The Government is strengthening the Protected Disclosures Act to provide better protection for whistle blowers, Minister of State Services Chris Hipkins said today. “The Protected Disclosures Act is meant to encourage people to speak up about serious wrongdoing in the workplace and protect them from losing their jobs or being ...
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  • PM speech at Parliamentary Chinese New Year celebration 2020
    Nǐn hǎo (Hello in Mandarin). Xīn Nián Kuài Lè (Happy New Year in Mandarin) Néi Hóu (Hello in Cantonese). Sun Nin Fai Lok (Happy New Year in Cantonese) Tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou katoa. Thank you for your invitation to attend this celebration today. I would like to acknowledge ...
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    7 days ago
  • IPANZ Annual Address
    Kia ora. Ngā mihi nui ki a koutou katoa. Nau mai haere mai ki te Whare Pāremata. E ngā mana whenua ki tēnei rohe Taranaki Whānui, Te Upoko o Te Ika, Ngāti Toa Rangatira, Ngāti Raukawa – kei te mihi, kei te mihi, kei te mihi. E ngā mana, e ...
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  • 2020 IPANZ Annual Address
    Kia ora. Ngā mihi nui ki a koutou katoa. Nau mai haere mai ki te Whare Pāremata. E ngā mana whenua ki tēnei rohe Taranaki Whānui, Te Upoko o Te Ika, Ngāti Toa Rangatira, Ngāti Raukawa – kei te mihi, kei te mihi, kei te mihi. E ngā mana, e ngā ...
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    1 week ago
  • Tougher penalties for gun crime a step closer
    Tougher penalties for gun crime are a step closer with the passage of firearms reform legislation through another stage in Parliament. The Arms Legislation Bill has tonight passed its Second Reading. “The changes have one objective - to prevent firearms falling into the wrong hands,” said Police Minister Stuart Nash. ...
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  • Arms Legislation Bill: Second Reading
    Introduction Mr Speaker We all know why we are here today. It has been a long journey. The journey did not actually begin on 15 March 2019. It began on 30 June 1997. Almost 23 years ago, Justice Sir Thomas Thorp told us what was wrong with our firearms legislation. ...
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  • New era for vocational education
    The Government’s work to put trades and vocational education back on the agenda took another major step forward today with the passing of the Education (Vocational Education and Training Reform) Amendment Bill, Education Minister Chris Hipkins said. “This is a watershed day for trades and vocational education. These law changes formalise ...
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    1 week ago
  • Bill to Amend the Greater Christchurch Regeneration Act
    Speeding up the return of Christchurch regeneration activities to local leadership is behind the Greater Christchurch Regeneration Amendment Bill introduced to Parliament today by Minister Megan Woods. “As we approach nine years since the February 2011 earthquake in Canterbury, and with the transition to local leadership well underway, the time ...
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  • Milford Track to partly reopen after storm damage
    Hundreds of New Zealanders and international visitors will be able to get back out into nature with the Milford Track partially reopening next week, after extensive assessments and repairs, the Minister of Conservation Eugenie Sage announced today. The popular Great Walk has been closed since 3 February after an extreme ...
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    1 week ago
  • Government drives low-emissions transport momentum
    Up to 110 new EV chargers nationwide in cities and regions 50 electric vehicles for ride-sharing The Government is helping deliver more infrastructure and options for low emissions transport through new projects, Energy and Resources Minister Dr Megan Woods says. Tauranga, Nelson, Levin, New Plymouth and Oamaru are just some ...
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  • Kiwis better off under Coalition Government
    New Zealanders are increasingly better off under this Government as wages rise and families have more disposable income, Finance Minister Grant Robertson says. Stats NZ reported today that average household disposable incomes after housing costs rose 4.9% in 2019. This was the highest rise in four years and came as ...
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  • Another step towards restoring rights for screen production workers
    All New Zealanders need to have their voices heard at work to ensure we have an inclusive and productive economy. Today we introduce a Bill to do this for workers in the New Zealand screen industry, Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Iain Lees-Galloway says. “The Screen Industry Workers Bill will ...
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  • Enhanced Taskforce Green for Southland and South Otago
    The Government has announced further help for the Southland and Otago regions to speed up recovery efforts from the floods.  “I’ve approved Enhanced Taskforce Green (ETFG), making $500,000 available to help with the clean-up in Fiordland, Southland, and the Clutha district in Otago,” Minister for Social Development Carmel Sepuloni said.  ...
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  • Employers and Industry take the lead to connect students to vocational education
    Following the announcement that more than 340 schools will be funded to run events promoting vocational education, the Government has announced it will fund a further 257 events to be run by employers and industry. “These industry-run events will allow more than 30,000 students to connect with more than 2,000 ...
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