Daily Review 04/02/2016

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1. weka 1

   4 February 2016 at 7:14 pm

   Good live coverage from JC and RNZ today, I appreciated it not being familiar with Auckland.
   • Macro 1.1

     4 February 2016 at 7:18 pm

     Yes it was brilliant coverage. I’m so thankful we have someone in our media who is capable of doing their job.
     • weka 1.1.1

       4 February 2016 at 7:25 pm

       yes! It’s going to be interesting to see what RNZ do over the next few years.
     • Ergo Robertina 1.1.2

       4 February 2016 at 8:07 pm

       First time I’m heard anyone imply previous Checkpoint presenter Mary Wilson wasn’t capable of doing her job! Whether one liked her style was another thing, but then Campbell’s effusiveness isn’t for everyone either.
       The Campbell hoopla is really lovely PR, disguising a fundamental shift to a commercial model.
       • weka 1.1.2.1

         4 February 2016 at 8:14 pm

         I don’t think it’s useful to compare Wilson and Campbell, they’re two different people in two different jobs.
         • alwyn 1.1.2.1.1

           4 February 2016 at 8:22 pm

           Yes. Wilson did a news program. It was the only one of the RNZ news programs I thought worth listening to.
           Campbell dishes up candy floss. I tried listening to him 3 times but he was such a pain I have given up entirely on National Radio long format news.
         • Ergo Robertina 1.1.2.1.2

           4 February 2016 at 8:55 pm

           I think you completely missed the point there. Didn’t my comment highlight their different styles as being a given? Never mind.
           • weka 1.1.2.1.2.1

             4 February 2016 at 8:57 pm

             I’m not sure what your point was tbh.
             • In Vino …

               4 February 2016 at 10:31 pm

               I liked her point. Our state-funded media are sounding more commercial all the time. National Radio (call it by its proper name) has more and more strident ads after each news, advertising its own programmes. Now John Campbell has brought his commercial TV 3 line of “Thank you so much for choosing us – we know you have a choice” so effusively and so often to National Radio.

               It may be so that when they do sell off National Radio, we will not notice all the new advertising because so much of it was already there.

               Why oh why does National Radio have to ape its inferiors? Probably because the marketing people dominate everything – even National Radio.

               Just about a new topic..
               • weka …

                 4 February 2016 at 10:46 pm

                 I like what they’re doing with the new format. Today’s coverage gave a view of the events not otherwise covered. That’s a good thing.

                 I like JC though and don’t mind his effusive style.
       • Macro 1.1.2.2

         4 February 2016 at 9:28 pm

         I wasn’t referring to the Checkpoint programme for which Mary Wilson is now the producer – I was referring to the RNZ live programme that JC did today at noon onwards until the live streaming cut out I don’t think Mary – for all her talents as an interviewer would have been able to handle that.
2. Sanctary 2

   4 February 2016 at 7:27 pm

   How many people turned out? The MSM sites seem to be deliberately downplaying the protests by no mentioning any numbers as far as I can see from here.
   • Macro 2.1

     4 February 2016 at 7:34 pm

     RNZ are saying 5 – 10,000 but then JC says its very difficult to put a figure on it because there was so much going on with people popping up everywhere.
     Having been in some large protests down Queen Street over the years and looking at this one I would say the Queen Street part of the protest was upwards of 10,000 – it covered 3 – 4 blocks and not all were marching at the same time.
   • Keith 2.2

     4 February 2016 at 7:42 pm

     They kept saying there was a 1000 protestors and at no time did I read or hear in the MSM the far bigger numbers during the protest. Even RT quoted 1000.
     • lprent 2.2.1

       4 February 2016 at 8:00 pm

       That was bullshit.
       • alwyn 2.2.1.1

         4 February 2016 at 8:28 pm

         What is your opinion on Martyn Bradbury’s claim of 25,000?
         Personally I think he should have gone to Specsavers.
         From the TV 2,000-2,500 would seem about right. I wasn’t anywhere near Auckland so that is only based on what I saw on the evening news.
         • mickysavage 2.2.1.1.1

           4 February 2016 at 8:34 pm

           Do you think there is a problem here?

           Bomber was there and estimated 25,000. I thought absolute minimum 20,000 yet you think there was only a tenth there and based it on the TV coverage?
           • maui 2.2.1.1.1.1

             4 February 2016 at 8:43 pm

             I was there too and I think we’re talking tens of thousands, single digit thousands is laughable. The aerial photos back that up too I think.
           • Paul 2.2.1.1.1.2

             4 February 2016 at 9:07 pm

             Looks like a lot more

             https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaWubadUsAAuZ-L.jpg:large
             • Paul …

               4 February 2016 at 9:09 pm

               Another aerial view

               https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaVtZjsUUAA3JLX.jpg
               • Paul …

                 4 February 2016 at 9:10 pm

                 And another.
                 Clearly tens of thousands

                 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaVtZyrUAAAyPvX.jpg
                 • weka …

                   4 February 2016 at 10:04 pm

                   Great photos, thanks! Where are they from?
     • mickysavage 2.2.2

       4 February 2016 at 8:23 pm

       There were freaking thousands. I was at Albert St and went down to Queen St after some of the crowd had passed and they kept coming and coming …

       It was the biggest protest that I have seen in a while. Absolute minimum 20,000 and that does not include all of the people outside Sky City or engaged in direct action.
       • Olwyn 2.2.2.1

         4 February 2016 at 8:36 pm

         I was there too and I agree. Moreover, the aerial shots I have seen on facebook confirm very large numbers. The reporting can confuse because more than one thing was happening at the same time. So, while it was true to say “1,000 people blocked off the motorway,” at the same time many thousands more were marching down Queen St.
       • Keith 2.2.2.2

         4 February 2016 at 8:40 pm

         Agreed, I would say 1000 in splinter groups but the amount in Queen St is the biggest protest crowd I have seen in a very long time.
       • ianmac 2.2.2.3

         4 February 2016 at 9:46 pm

         As a matter of habit I count say 100 people. They occupy a certain space. Use them as a measuring stick. Estimate the total. (The biggest number I reached one year was 100,000. That seemed a bit high. Repeated. The following day the paper reported that over 100,000 people at the Ohakea Air display.)
         Therefore I think in Paul’s last photo there were about 7,000.
       • alwyn 2.2.2.4

         5 February 2016 at 8:59 am

         OK, I’ll tell you how I came up with my figure. The photo’s Paul has put up here are certainly in line with that estimate.

         The TV coverage showed that the marchers were about 10 abreast. That is the marchers, not including the spectators on the sidewalks.
         The rows would probably have been about 2 metres apart. People on a protest march certainly don’t walk as closely together as soldiers doing close order drill.
         2000 people would therefore occupy a length of road of about 400 metres. For comparison the length of the Oriental Bay beach is about 300 metres.
         Paul’s photos seem to illustrate the above scenario.

         Bradbury’s 25,000 on the other hand would stretch for 5 kilometres. For Wellington residents that is the distance from Oriental Bay to Ngauranga or Scorching Bay to Eastbourne.
         For Auckland residents it is five times the length of the Auckland harbour bridge. They would also have taken at least an hour to pass any given place.
         Paul’s photos show nothing like that length of the march and therefore nothing like that many people.
3. whateva next? 3

   4 February 2016 at 7:51 pm

   What a beautiful f****ing day
4. Paul 4

   4 February 2016 at 8:29 pm

   RNZ coverage of TPP protests

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bcab6Q8B_g
   • mickysavage 4.1

     4 February 2016 at 9:34 pm

     Thanks Paul. This was the best media coverage of a protest I have seen in a long, long time.
     • Paul 4.1.1

       4 February 2016 at 9:44 pm

       Unlike the edited propaganda delivered by Hoskings and Garner for their corporate owners.
       Do either of them ever feel bad for disseminating such propaganda?
5. Paul 5

   4 February 2016 at 8:44 pm

   Trustee’s message to Key: ‘Be a man’

   http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/295751/trustee's-message-to-key-'be-a-man‘
   • Muttonbird 5.1

     4 February 2016 at 8:51 pm

     He’s speaking to Key is his own language there and Key won’t like it one bit. Expect more invective from the pm toward Maori tomorrow.
     • Paul 5.1.1

       4 February 2016 at 9:02 pm

       Get some guts.

       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38abHfFqr3s
     • Paul 5.1.2

       4 February 2016 at 9:03 pm

       The msm really does give Key a soft time.

       https://soundcloud.com/nzherald/key-throws-waitangi-visit-in-doubt
6. Paul 6

   4 February 2016 at 9:06 pm

   Key should fulfill his obligations.

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=51&v=TrtRf7S1dEg
   • ropata 6.1

     4 February 2016 at 9:23 pm

     Great interview, yes there has been some confusion, but despite that it’s Key’s arrogance that is keeping him away not any conditions placed by Ngapuhi
7. Paul 7

   4 February 2016 at 9:13 pm

   This is the propaganda Mike Hoskings puts out

   http://tvnz.co.nz/seven-sharp/putting-tpp-protesters-test-much-do-they-actually-know-video-6445693

   http://tvnz.co.nz/seven-sharp/tpp-protesters-could-ve-held-up-sick-children-route-hospital-and-women-in-labour-video-6445701

   http://tvnz.co.nz/seven-sharp/john-key-made-right-decision-not-go-waitangi-video-6445703

   I never watch it.
   Repulsive.
   We pay taxes for this bile.
   Makes FOX news look reasonable.
   • Bill 7.1

     4 February 2016 at 10:54 pm

     When the media is reduced to “nah, nah, nah-nah, nah” like a pile of primary school kids on the playground….

     that coverage was incredibly illuminating. 😉
8. Paul 8

   4 February 2016 at 9:17 pm

   Duncan Garner and Heather du Plessis also run a similar propaganda line.
   Boycott these tools.
   The bias just drips off them.

   http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/story/tppa-on-the-frontline-with-protesters-2016020418#axzz3zAVAdg3x
   • Paul 8.1

     4 February 2016 at 9:26 pm

     Compare the edited mocking above by those corporate media tools with the respect shown by RNZ’s live streaming. Protesters are listened to, as opposed to hunted for sound bites that can be ridiculed.
     Garner, du Plessis, Street and Hoskings are part of the problem.

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bcab6Q8B_g
9. Gangnam Style 9

   4 February 2016 at 9:37 pm

   “I think the “rent a crowd” comment re TPPA opponents was irony as all those supporting it were all on the payroll 1 way or other!” – Helen Kelly
   • Paul 9.1

     4 February 2016 at 9:46 pm

     Rent a crowd.

     Farrar
     Hooton
     Garner
     du Plessis
     Street
     Christie
     Hoskings
     Larry Lackwit Williams

     And at cheaper rates…
     BM
     Puckish Rogue
     Fisiani
     • weka 9.1.1

       4 February 2016 at 10:03 pm

       Don’t forget F John Key 😉
     • Macro 9.1.2

       4 February 2016 at 10:16 pm

       Paul – you forgot Wayne!!
10. cowboy 10

    4 February 2016 at 10:26 pm

    I have to agree with comments re TV 3s coverage of the protests being a disgrace. Garner previewed the segment by mocking something like “pick up you placards and drop your deodorant”. Luckily I had live streamed John Campbell earlier in the day and saw a real journalist in action and therefore had the real essence of the protest.

    I must say I was proud of my fellow New Zealanders for their show of peaceful defiance and the advancing haka leading the parade was awesome.
11. Bill 11

    4 February 2016 at 10:38 pm

    Indicative only.

    Popped along to a hastily called for Dunedin presence. About 50 people of a lunch hour.

    But here’s the thing.

    The majority of those there were people I’d never seen before (Dunedin = small place/known faces)

    And the toots of support?

    Well, I’m picking they were a far greater percentage than that which I’ve witnessed in any picket situation.
12. ianmac 12

    4 February 2016 at 10:52 pm

    During the Springbok Tour a friend of ours believed that the protesters were rent a Crowd, thugs and lay-abouts. Then she was stuck in her car by a protest marched past her in Wellington. Suddenly she realised that there was a big cross-section of society who had real sincere concerns.
    I resent being labelled “Rent a Crowd” by Key.
    • pat 12.1

      4 February 2016 at 11:05 pm

      wouldn’t resent anything the tosser Key says….it implies his opinion has some validity
13. AmaKiwi 13

    5 February 2016 at 9:46 am

    This government is in trouble.

    There is no Plan B, no room for compromise. They’ve back themselves into a corner.

    At last their arrogance is getting the better of them.
14. Nelson Muntz 14

    6 February 2016 at 10:31 am

    Congrats to all those who protested but the fight is not over. Under the TPPA Maori will have their customary fishing rights stolen from them and won’t be allowed to fish, ordinary people won’t be able to grow their own crops, and everything we do and say on the internet will be monitored and spied on.

    Kia kaha, comrades!

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