Daily Review 07/09/2016

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1. Anne 1

   7 September 2016 at 6:00 pm

   Office of the Auditor General ducking for cover?

   http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/312782/auditor-general-can't-fully-investigate-niue-contract

   So, why did it take 6 months to come to that conclusion?
   • Gangnam Style 1.1

     7 September 2016 at 6:08 pm

     Guess she could have a similar excuse regarding the Saudi sheep scam, as the abattoir is not in NZ.
     • Anne 1.1.1

       7 September 2016 at 6:42 pm

       And look who was front and centre of both cases – Murray McCully. So, what ‘knowledge’ does he possess that he can be exonerated, one way or another, from all ethical and legal considerations? Anyone hazard a guess?
2. Chris 2

   7 September 2016 at 6:28 pm

   Good on My Food Bag.

   http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/84000599/chiefs-lose-first-sponsor-after-incident-with-stripper

   Guess it’s really down to a bit of bad luck, though, that the “celebration” was in public otherwise nobody would’ve known about it and everything would’ve been all right.

   http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/84014638/chiefs-coach-dave-rennie-says-the-mistake-was-having-a-celebration-in-public
   • miravox 2.1

     7 September 2016 at 8:45 pm

     “that the “celebration” was in public… “

     Yup, this is what got me as well. Dave Rennie really seems to imply if it was all done in private that would be ok – and that it all seems to have been normal celebratory behaviour for a bunch of guys.

     If a young guy ‘misspoke’ like this it would be understandable, but a man of his age and experience? It reeks of entitlement.

     Nothing about addressing the issue of abusive behaviour toward women that he’s tarnished all men with either doing or at least accepting – including the Chiefs players who weren’t there.

     And no apology.
     • Chris 2.1.1

       7 September 2016 at 9:03 pm

       “…but a man of his age and experience? It reeks of entitlement.”

       Quite possibly. Or perhaps he doesn’t understand, either?
       • miravox 2.1.1.1

         7 September 2016 at 9:13 pm

         Or perhaps he doesn’t understand – yup, as well.

         Entitlement in terms of entitled to do whatever he likes just as long as no-one finds out, rather than the power-tripping kind of entitlement – although there is that.
3. Chris 3

   7 September 2016 at 6:33 pm

   Good on My Food Bag.

   http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/84000599/chiefs-lose-first-sponsor-after-incident-with-stripper

   Guess it was all a bit of bad luck, though, that the “celebration” was in public otherwise nobody would’ve known about it and everything would’ve been all right.

   http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/84014638/chiefs-coach-dave-rennie-says-the-mistake-was-having-a-celebration-in-public
4. rhinocrates 4

   7 September 2016 at 7:08 pm

   No surprise here. Sexual assault by Rugby players? “Nah, nothing to see. Someone we won’t name asked some of the team’s fans that we won’t name and they all agreed nothing happened, so the slut’s a liar. She probably liked it.”

   http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/84013841/we-apologise-to-the-chiefs-and-new-zealand-rugby–oh-and-the-women-too

   2016 and rape culture’s alive and well.
   • BM 4.1

     7 September 2016 at 7:12 pm

     I hope the Chiefs do her for damages, be a good warning to others who want to go down this path.
     • rhinocrates 4.1.1

       7 September 2016 at 7:21 pm

       Yeah, punish the women who make claims of assault as a warning to the others to keep in line.

       BM, supporter of rapists. Just proved my point.
       • Rosie 4.1.1.1

         7 September 2016 at 7:59 pm

         Thank you r. I can’t be bothered with BM meself. Glad you said it.
     • Editractor 4.1.2

       7 September 2016 at 7:34 pm

       You didn’t read the article did you?

       “In a court of law, public confidence that justice had been done would require an investigator with no conflict of interest, interviewing named witnesses whose own biases could be questioned.

       But this was not a court of law. It was an employment matter, with naughty workers getting the once over from the bosses.

       It may well have been nothing untoward happened, but lack of transparency raises questions, suspicions something is being hidden.”

       Why after achieving their whitewash would they take this case to court and risk unbiased examination under oath?
       • BM 4.1.2.1

         7 September 2016 at 7:42 pm

         She is full of it

         • No complaint was laid with police and police are not pursuing either incident
         • The discrepancies between the reported accounts of both women, and those of the players and independent witnesses could not be reconciled in a number of key respects
         • The allegations of sexual assault, were strongly denied by players, and were not substantiated by the witnesses’ who did not see players touch, throw anything or pour alcohol on any women at either celebration
         • Nine independent witnesses to the performances were interviewed and gave statements that were considered genuine and credible

         http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/83999800/live-chiefs-stripper-scandal–nz-rugby-inquiry-findings-announcement
         • mickysavage 4.1.2.1.1

           7 September 2016 at 7:58 pm

           Funny but do you know how many times the victims of sexual assault have had the same criticisms thrown at them?
           • Rosie 4.1.2.1.1.1

             7 September 2016 at 8:00 pm

             Yep, same old, same old from rape culture proponents such as BM
             • mickysavage …

               7 September 2016 at 8:06 pm

               Aye.

               Total whitewash.

               Fancy relying on a Rugby Union paid lawyer to conduct the investigation.
               • rhinocrates …

                 7 September 2016 at 8:20 pm

                 They got the fairest, most unbiased and thorough investigation they could buy.

                 A lawyer is not an unbiased investigator, a lawyer is someone who charges money to give you the result you want.
               • Rosie …

                 7 September 2016 at 8:25 pm

                 Exactly. It’s tiring that this “close in and protect the ranks” procedure is still occurring. It’s hard to see it any other way from my jaded view. I felt quite sad watching the news tonight.

                 Your storyline below sums it up, sadly. It’s just happened far, far too many times, that it appears as a well trodden path. It’s happened so many times before that there’s a rut in the ground where this path has formed. BM’s wearing the blur o’ vision glasses so he can’t see it.
                 • Anne …

                   7 September 2016 at 9:54 pm

                   Hi Rosie,
                   Pablo (Dr Paul Buchanan) has written a nice little piece about this affair (and a couple of others) over on Kiwipolitico. It doesn’t change anything, but it’s always nice to read someone who can eloquently express their understanding of the injustice of a situation.

                   http://www.kiwipolitico.com/
                   • Draco T Bastard …

                     8 September 2016 at 10:30 am

                     This one?

                     All of these episodes were made public in one day. What do they have in common?

                     Well, they follow a long history of instances in NZ where people of privilege, be it via sports, money, political clout or social connection, engage in and are later absolved of full consequence for behaviour that otherwise would be considered worth severe sanction. I am sure that readers will remember many such instances. What does this say about the supposedly egalitarian and honest nature of Kiwi society?

                     Or look at it this way: if the clandestine sex taper was mediocre at sports, if the doctor and his wife were recent immigrants, if the Northcote Primary parents were from South Auckland, and if the politician was an opposition backbencher, would the media coverage and outcomes be the same?

                     The answer to that last question is NO
                   • Anne …

                     8 September 2016 at 4:19 pm

                     @ DTB
                     I think ‘Pablo” anticipates that ‘he’ and ‘we’ know the answer to be NO. Glad you emphasize the excerpt because it represents in a nutshell the gross social inequalities in NZ.
           • BM 4.1.2.1.1.2

             7 September 2016 at 8:04 pm

             So it doesn’t matter what the evidence is you’ll ignore it any way, because it doesn’t fit you bias.

             Please do us all a favour and remove yourself from any positions of influence you may ever find yourself in.
             • mickysavage …

               7 September 2016 at 8:07 pm

               Is this the Rugby Union paid lawyer collection of the evidence you are referring to?

               EDIT

               This is how it worked out.

               A bunch of jocks get pissed and harass a woman who strips for a job.

               She complains.

               Bunch of jocks sober up.

               Bunch of jocks talk to each other.

               Bunch of jocks then have the same story and tell it to the tame lawyer employed by the Rugby Union conducting the investigation.

               Rugby Union paid lawyer then concludes that the evidence supports the collective recollection of the bunch of jocks.

               Have I got this right?
         • rhinocrates 4.1.2.1.2

           7 September 2016 at 8:05 pm

           We all know the police record for investigating rape and sexual assault cases, especially the crimes they’ve committed themselves, don’t we? That’s one of the reasons why few women have the slightest faith in the police to treat them seriously.

           As for the “investigation”? A whitewash. Witnesses were not named or under oath, they were never cross-examined as they would have been even if the case ever made its way to court.

           What you’re saying is what you should change your name to: BS

           Do you stand by your clear statement that women who complain of sexual assault should be punished or intimidated as an example or warning to other women who might be assaulted or raped? You haven’t retracted it and therefore you effectively support a culture of rape.
         • miravox 4.1.2.1.3

           7 September 2016 at 8:30 pm

           http://thespinoff.co.nz/featured/07-09-2016/good-news-the-chiefs-scandal-didnt-really-even-happen/

           It’s also worth noting that the police haven’t taken further action for reasons “which include consideration of her wishes”. This seems to indicate that it could have something to do with a reluctance on Scarlette’s part to submitting to our famously welcoming justice system – rather than simply a lack of evidence – which drove the Police’s decision-making.
   • Chris 4.2

     7 September 2016 at 7:39 pm

     Rennie’s response beggars belief. The overseas papers are going to have a field day.
5. BM 5

   7 September 2016 at 7:11 pm

   So buying an apartment is now a bad thing, carbon foot print?, climate change?, Christ you guys are all over the place.

   No wonder everyone thinks the left is a complete joke.

   [How about you elaborate? For the life of me I do not know what you are talking about – MS]
   • One Anonymous Bloke 5.1

     7 September 2016 at 7:19 pm

     If you ever manage to know what everyone thinks how will you maintain your right wing cretinhood?
   • BM 5.2

     7 September 2016 at 7:46 pm

     I must have misinterpreted the graphic I thought Labour was blagging apartments now.

     A true home being the 1/4 acre with pickets, none of this apartment or renting bull shit.
   • Colonial Viper 5.3

     7 September 2016 at 7:51 pm

     No wonder everyone thinks the left is a complete joke.

     The Left is suffering from a serious case of ideological cognitive dissonance which stems from being utterly stuck in the 1950s to 1970s using a 19th century based historical foundation.

     Basically, they’re no longer fit for the 21st century.

     Mind you the Right has become just as historically irrelevant and ideologically corrupt, but they can hide it a bit better with the massive expertise, big money and big levers of power that they control.
     • mickysavage 5.3.1

       7 September 2016 at 8:00 pm

       The left (every community person in the country) is suffering from some of us using phrases such as “ideological cognitive dissonance” …

       It is not rocket science. We are better working together.
       • Colonial Viper 5.3.1.1

         7 September 2016 at 8:08 pm

         It is not rocket science. We are better working together.

         No, we are better taking out all actual, nascent and potential opposition Parliamentary parties and proving that all their seats belong to us.
         • mickysavage 5.3.1.1.1

           7 September 2016 at 8:17 pm

           Um I am one of the strongest Green Party supporters within the ranks of the Labour Party that I know of. If I lived in the UK I am pretty sure that I would not be allowed to vote for Corbyn for leader.

           All parties are good but NZF is meh because Peters always goes for the party that will further his interests.
     • BM 5.3.2

       7 September 2016 at 8:00 pm

       Yeah, there’s a real opportunity for a new party to step in and fill that void.

       The Greens may be that party but they need to purge all the zealots first.
       • Rosie 5.3.2.1

         7 September 2016 at 8:01 pm

         🙄 That worn out old line again………
       • Colonial Viper 5.3.2.2

         7 September 2016 at 8:05 pm

         The Greens can’t fill any void, they’ve long sold out and joined the mainstream pretending that there is such a thing as ‘green growth’ and maintenance of the upper middle class way of life with solar panels and Prius’s.
     • Garibaldi 5.3.3

       7 September 2016 at 8:08 pm

       OK CV you’ve got me puzzled here . If the Left isn’t fit for the 21st century and the Right has become just as historically irrelevant and ideologically corrupt, then ……?( And don’t say NZF! ).
       • Colonial Viper 5.3.3.1

         7 September 2016 at 8:16 pm

         None of the current Parliamentary Parties are facing up to the 30 year realities this country is facing or even the current realities we are facing. And why should they? There is no electoral or Parliamentary Services salary pay off from doing so.

         So they all piss about, happily paying lip service to this or that (whatever their party is traditionally supposed to be concerned about) while the carriage runs further and further off the rails.
         • mickysavage 5.3.3.1.1

           7 September 2016 at 8:23 pm

           So who should we support?
           • Chris 5.3.3.1.1.1

             7 September 2016 at 8:44 pm

             The party you think best represents the values you believe in, and is also the party most likely to make decisions in accordance with those values.
           • Colonial Viper 5.3.3.1.1.2

             7 September 2016 at 8:47 pm

             I’m not supporting any of these guys, and I have completely checked out of the ‘voting for the least evil’ paradigm that others push so keenly for but has led this civilisation to near disaster for 75% of the people in this world (and climbing).
             • mickysavage …

               7 September 2016 at 9:02 pm

               So who do we (the collective left) support? No one is not an option.
               • Chris …

                 7 September 2016 at 9:17 pm

                 There’s certainly no party at the moment which if it became the government would mean much of change for people who’re living shitty lives because they’re poor or sick or disabled, that’s for sure.

                 But your question was to someone who’s probably decided that there’s no party that reflects their values enough to vote for, and certainly no party that’s likely to make decisions in accordance with those values therefore has chosen not to vote.

                 So your question, then, is does CV believe that nobody on the left (whatever that means, but it doesn’t matter for now) should vote? Is that what you’re asking? Some question. Perhaps even a non-question, I don’t know.
               • Colonial Viper …

                 7 September 2016 at 9:35 pm

                 Who is the “collective left”? I don’t count myself as a member of whatever that amorphous undefinable collective is, let alone act as if I might be in a position to make any kind of recommendation as to which part of the political status quo the “collective left” should support.

                 No one is not an option.

                 Over one million adult Kiwis thought it was a fine option in 2014.
                 • Paul …

                   7 September 2016 at 9:39 pm

                   Voting for no one means Key wins again.
                   Happy for even more misery?
                   • Colonial Viper …

                     7 September 2016 at 10:24 pm

                     I probably will end up voting for someone on the day; but I support none of em.

                     As for Key winning again, if that’s the will of the people and the Opposition can’t get their shit together, that’s democracy.
                 • corokia …

                   7 September 2016 at 9:40 pm

                   “None of the current Parliamentary Parties are facing up to the 30 year realities this country is facing or even the current realities we are facing.”

                   Ok, so I’m guessing you CV, are counting yourself amongst those who are facing up to the realities facing us. So, what exactly do you think people should do? And, other than commenting on TS, what do you plan to do?
                   • Paul …

                     7 September 2016 at 9:42 pm

                     It seems cv is just a knocker.
                     I never hear solutions.
                     Just gripes.
                     Which plays into the 1%’s game plan.
                   • Colonial Viper …

                     7 September 2016 at 10:34 pm

                     Slash NZ herd sizes by 75%, reduce international air travel to ten 747 arrivals a week and ten 747 departures a week, add a $5/L levy to all liquid fuels and put all the funds into sustainable low carbon public transport and freight, pursue a policy of massively onshoring technological, engineering, scientific and manufacturing capabilities, double the size and reach of the NZDF and reorientate it for a relevant future.

                     Put the retail banks under clear central control and take back the authority for the government to issue funds that it requires.

                     Make moving to Auckland a highly restricted activity requiring a quota limited permit, and give 200,000 people clear ways to move out of that city.

                     Give every adult NZer a UBI of $60/week on top of whatever other income they currently have.

                     Enforce penalty rates for anything over 37.5 hours/week work, as well as any work on Sunday.

                     You guys want anything else? Just ask.
                   • Robert Guyton …

                     7 September 2016 at 10:46 pm

                     “Slash”, Colonial Viper?
                     The Great Cull?
                     You’re easy meat for the likes of Farrar and his pack. They perk up at opportunities like those you’re offering.
                     “Ban, ban, ban, that’s all they ever do…”
                   • Colonial Viper …

                     7 September 2016 at 10:48 pm

                     I’m not canvassing for votes from Farrar et al or their readers so what do I care?
               • One Two …

                 8 September 2016 at 1:46 am

                 Try using imagination for a starter. Imagine life without centralization because if it remains there is no limit to the downside consequence

                 Try not to give energy to the false idols or status quo because that is the fuel

                 Those who support (vote) the existing frameworks are responsible for the continuation of misery ‘the left’ purport to stand against

                 Turn your backs like the other million have and walk away because it isn’t going to change direction by voting for its continuation

                 Voting literally ensures the only option on the table will be the one that nobody is wishing for…
             • Paul …

               7 September 2016 at 9:41 pm

               You could find a minor party to support or start your own movement or run as an independent.
               Doing nothing condemns more children to sleeping in cars and more families to wretched subsistence.
               • Colonial Viper …

                 7 September 2016 at 10:41 pm

                 You’re under the misconception that voting for any of these other 6 figure suits in Koru will change any of that.
6. Pat 6

   7 September 2016 at 8:11 pm

   https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/07/why-auckland-is-leading-the-worlds-housing-market-boom

   an outsiders view
   • Paul 6.1

     7 September 2016 at 9:19 pm

     Worth a thread in its own right.
     • mickysavage 6.1.1

       7 September 2016 at 9:34 pm

       There are so many threads …
       • Paul 6.1.1.1

         7 September 2016 at 9:37 pm

         Amazing how a UK article is more informative than the NZ media about the crisis.
   • Paul 6.2

     7 September 2016 at 10:04 pm

     91 comments

     below atm.
     My favourite.

     ‘New Zealand is an increasingly dysfunctional and bizarre country, which seems to think it’s going to get rich building houses for immigrants. John Key, our PM, is an appalling man; a self-made multimillionaire from his arch skill at gambling with other people’s money in one of the most useless jobs invented by mankind, that of currency speculator, who treats his job as PM like the sort of insouciant hobby a man who needs nothing more in his life might take on as a pleasant interlude before retiring. He suffers from a pathological intellectual rigidity that straight-jackets his and his government’s actions; perish the thought that this man might stoop to intellectual enquiry and rational action.’
     • Colonial Viper 6.2.1

       7 September 2016 at 10:20 pm

       Quite true; yet the Opposition hasn’t been able to do much more than lay a scratch on the guy’s political career after nearly a decade as PM.
       • Robert Guyton 6.2.1.1

         7 September 2016 at 10:42 pm

         Scratch? The guy’s covered in pox but he has great make-up artists.
         • Colonial Viper 6.2.1.1.1

           7 September 2016 at 10:47 pm

           Hate to think where his pox erupts if it can’t be seen on TV 😛
7. Nick 7

   7 September 2016 at 11:02 pm

   Is one of those pox a housing bubble about to pop?
   • Pat 7.1

     7 September 2016 at 11:19 pm

     probably not as long as no impediment is imposed….in the short term
8. Robert Guyton 8

   7 September 2016 at 11:09 pm

   A vox pop on the PM’s pox!
9. Pat 9

   8 September 2016 at 12:03 am

   “The source sent over an initial sample of documents and the government reviewed them. After concluding they were genuine, it secretly negotiated support for the controversial deal from political parties in parliament, the minister said.”

   https://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/sep/07/panama-papers-denmark-becomes-first-country-to-buy-leaked-data

   can we imagine a Key led gov acting similarly?

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