Daily Review 09/06/2016

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93 comments on “Daily Review 09/06/2016”

  1. 3 news 5 items in, each item showing a govt minister stuffing up and looking bad. The end of the gnats is underway, we need the opposition, the left to keep the pressure on. We DON’T deserve this incompetent government, we really don’t.

    • Little bit of exageration but my point still stands – forgot about missing people – hope they are found safe

      • infused 1.2.1

        It’s bullshit. It’s free marketing. As if Westpac/ANZ have many foreign buyers.

        They come here with money from China.

        That was stupid coming from gower.

        • McFlock 1.2.1.1

          not just free marketing – the first thing industries do to avoid regulation is to pretend to self-regulate.

          They seem to be worried that a near-future government will start getting serious about the housing crisis.

          • Anne 1.2.1.1.1

            They seem to be worried that a near-future government will start getting serious about the housing crisis.

            With the slowly increasing prospect of a change of government next year, I expect you are on the button there McFlock. Very interesting response from two of our largest banks – owned by the Aussies but domiciled in NZ.

            Btw, I had impression from that newsclip that poor old Nicky Smith was in a serious fit of pique. 😉

          • Graeme 1.2.1.1.2

            I’d be a bit cynical and go with self preservation. They want someone they can pursue / bankrupt to get their money back when it all turns to shit.

            This came out earlier (I think) in the Herald http://www.nzherald.co.nz/personal-finance/news/article.cfm?c_id=12&objectid=11653661
            It’s got to go bad, and maybe quite soon, so the banks will be making sure they’re protected. To bad for the borrower who did something that in hindsight was a bit silly, they’ve just got 10 years servitude to the bank.

  2. ScottGN 2

    Good piece by Andrew Little in the Herald on housing.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11653530

    • Draco T Bastard 2.1

      New Zealand can be a country that restores the Kiwi dream of homeownership.

      Why do we have this dream?
      Is it one that applies to all people?
      What if we were to change it to a dream of somewhere where you know you’ll be able to go to at the end of the day for the rest of your life?
      What if we not only did that but made it so that owners couldn’t parasite off of the lives of the renters?

  3. weka 3

    Nice juxtaposition of comments 1 and 2

  4. Draco T Bastard 4

    Talley’s ordered to pay $94,000 after death of crewman

    “In this case, the rope had already broken once, but the reasons for that had not been considered. The rope had been repaired, not replaced, and it broke again. The dangers of the snapback zone had been identified but crew were still required to work in that area.

    “This is a tragic case which will live with the family of Leighton Muir forever.”

    In 2015 Talley’s was found guilty of the same charge after crewman Cain Adams died after falling 6.9m through an open hatch on the Capt. M.J. Souza, when the vessel was in port in Nelson.

    The company was fined $48,000 and ordered to pay $35,000 in reparations.

    Why do I get the feeling that copping the fine and paying reparations is far cheaper than doing what’s right?

    • 100% correct. Talley’s simply don’t give a shit about their wage slaves. You’ve got to admire their attempt to blame the ship’s senior crew, who have rather conveniently disappeared. It would make some sense if there wasn’t already a culture of bullying at Talley’s that means even their management staff operate in an atmosphere of constant fear.

      • McFlock 4.1.1

        The questions the captain and bosun would answer would go beyond their own immediate culpability, and might include pressures from head office to maximise catches, budgetary pressures on replacements/repairs (at the very least, knots are quicker than splices), and work hours.

        the cynic in me wonders how much of their decision to leave their jobs and skip town was fear of personal liability as opposed to an incentive package from higher up. But I’m sure that would be tremendously out of character for such a respectable company…

    • mauī 4.2

      Less than $100,000 for taking a life, and I assume practices can carry on as normal..

    • miravox 4.3

      A three strikes law? Kill 3 employees (more likely ‘contractors’) and you have to sell your company?

      • McFlock 4.3.1

        heh.
        Sell? Give to the state for operation or resale. Iwi have first dibs on resale, operational profits while owned by government go to government, if resold within five years of nationalisation then half of proceeds go to former owners.

        That’ll put it up ’em…

        • miravox 4.3.1.1

          Sounds fair. I can see you’ve thought about this longer than I have.

        • Draco T Bastard 4.3.1.2

          if resold within five years of nationalisation then half of proceeds go to former owners.

          Nope, the former owners get nothing from the nationalisation of the business but they do get to keep the debt that they incurred to set up the business.

          And instead of selling it on the state turns it into a self-owned cooperative. A business that the state has no say in the running of and is run by the workers.

        • te reo putake 4.3.1.3

          I think you just spiked a post, McFlock! I just got home and was mulling over a post suggesting immediate nationalisation for the safety of the workers; not just physical, but psychological safety. Then I spotted your comment, which is a far better expression of the idea than I had in mind.

          I’ve always wanted to ask what first attracted the National Party to the millionaire Peter Talley. Perhaps we’ll never know.

          • Don't worry. Be happy 4.3.1.3.1

            What attracted the Nats to Talley? It may have been they recognised that like them Talley had a kind and gentle heart and was dedicated to improving the lives of ordinary people. Or it was his vast fortune and his willingness to slip lots of it to them to get elected/stay elected and get their own fat little faces snout down in the trough? We will never know. Yeah, right.

          • McFlock 4.3.1.3.2

            It’s not something I’ve really thought through beyond the initial idea and the standard followups (what about the Treaty? what about if bolstering the ghost-surplus was part of the excuse to nationalise? etc)

            I’d forgotten the concept of corporate manslaughter, for example.

            But the problem with solutions that focus solely on fines and prison is that sooner or later a perfectly good, if poorly run, company would go to the wall and workers would lose their jobs for want of a slight change in management.

            The workers coops idea is interesting, but ends up giving workers a theoretical vested interest in poor safety cultures.

            And again, if iwi get first dibs on ownership, what if the local iwi was the shit employer in the first place.

            Lots of fodder for a post, is my general drift 🙂

      • Colonial Viper 4.3.2

        Boards of Directors need prison time. That usually sorts things.

  5. Stuart Munro 5

    Nick Smith: Poor education behind falling rates of Maori and Pasifika home ownership – yes indeed Nick you ignorant slob – back to school with you!

  6. Paul 6

    Another day in John Key’s neo-liberal nightmare.
    We have become a cruel, greedy, uncaring and selfish nation under his wretched leadership.

    Homelessness.
    Our ‘brighter future’

    Some families already thousands in debt to WINZ for emergency motel housing remain in the same accommodation block, with their loans mounting.

    • Sabine 6.1

      she has got a kid in a wheelchair in that dump.
      200 bucks a night.

      One can’t actually make that shit up. This is loan sharking. Winz has been turned into a payday lender.

      • Chris 6.1.1

        The AAAP said on RNZ the other day they’re taking this issue through the courts.

      • Draco T Bastard 6.1.2

        WINZ, under this government, has obviously turned into a massive subsidy for National’s mates.

        The amount that WINZ are paying they should just buy the flats and be done with it. Be a lot cheaper.

        Of course, that would mean that rich, greedy bastards aren’t getting massive income for doing nothing.

        • Chris 6.1.2.1

          They’re obviously panicking with off the hoof policy like $5k to get out of Dodge and renting whole motels and it stinks of poor law thinking. $60-70K plus of debt for families with no money must be irking even the most neo-liberal within the National party, but only because it might cost them votes. The risk is that their responses will intensify the shifting of responsibility for core services to the community. Those ideas are already well and truly here and it’s a short step to locking them in. IH-fucking-C is full of National party arsewipes who are more than ready to help decimate social housing. Welfare will be next.

    • Anne 6.2

      What a wonderful job JC and Checkpoint are doing bringing these personal stories to us. And JK and PB in particular want everyone to think most of these people are down and out P-users. They are not! I guarantee the so-called p-users would represent less than 10% of the homeless.

  7. Chris 7

    This is unbelievable stuff. An $8k debt going up $2k a fortnight for a family with no money. Others with $60-70k plus. Key and Bennett et al must be shitting their pants. It’s still likely that Key could eat a baby and go up in the polls, but this issue just might have the legs to halt that trend. The AAAP group in Auckland and John Campbell are doing a great job.

    • Wensleydale 7.1

      I feel bad for them. They must feel as though they’re digging a hole as fast as they can, and some bastard from WINZ is just kicking the dirt back into it every week. It’s madness. It makes no logical sense.

  8. Tautoko Mangō Mata 8

    ISDS- Australia’s Labor Party have made the following commitment.

    Labor is promising to review three of the major free trade agreements signed by the Abbott and Turnbull governments in the hope of removing a controversial clause that allows foreign corporations to sue the Australian government.

    It will also make Australia’s involvement in a proposed huge free trade zone in the Asia Pacific – dubbed the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP) – subject to stricter entry conditions than those the Coalition demanded.

    The opposition’s trade spokeswoman, Penny Wong, said Labor would try to remove so-called investor state dispute settlement (ISDS) clauses from every trade agreement, and every bilateral investment treaty, that Australia has signed.

    http://www.bilaterals.org/?labor-pledges-to-review-trade

  9. Richardrawshark 9

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/personal-finance/news/article.cfm?c_id=12&objectid=11653661

    Front page herald at the top. Doesn’t get much poignant than that!

  10. Pat 10

    “Once fully operational, the team should inspect 80 houses a week.

    Repairing faulty work would cost about $1000 per repair, he said. Contractors or Fletcher would bear the cost.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/the-rebuild/73205717/More-than-6500-homes-need-fix-after-faulty-EQC-repairs

    “The Earthquake Commission’s (EQC) home repair programme project manager can not be held responsible for shoddy quake repairs, its contract suggests.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/71124031/no-responsibility-on-fletcher-eqr-for-shoddy-quake-repairs-contract-suggests

    “Second-time repairs to Canterbury homes damaged by the earthquakes could cost up to $70 million.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/80873207/remedial-home-repairs-could-cost-eqc-up-to-70m.html

    I imagine that 70 mil (plus) could have been better used elsewhere.

  11. Muttonbird 11

    Oh, God. The government bring in an anti-vaxxer in place of Grosser. She seems all over the place, to be honest.

    I think there’s a real opportunity for us to save the country millions of dollars in pharmaceuticals by treating the whole person and the environment they live in, which is all about healthy eating and healthy living.

    -Pugh

    Her first thought is about money (of course). If only her political party of choice considered ‘treating people and the environment they live in’ with any respect…

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/80884541/national-mp-maureen-pugh-doesnt-believe-in-pharmaceutical-drugs

    • Colonial Viper 11.1

      Prescription drugs are almost all inevitably toxic to the liver and to the kidneys, as well as to other tissues of the body.

      They should be avoided wherever possible, in favour of supporting and assisting the natural healing faculties of the human body.

      There will be some instances of course where there is a need to use pharmaceutical drugs, but especially in the case of polypharmacy the boundary between what is helpful and what is harmful, can quickly be crossed.

      Pugh is of course spot on that health doesn’t come from a pill bottle, it comes from a person’s environment, food and life style.

      It appears to me that Pugh knows the difference between true healthcare and expensive modern sickness care.

      • Muttonbird 11.1.1

        Interesting.

        How then does she, or you, reconcile this nurturing approach to the person and their environment with regard to healthcare to the ambulance at the bottom of a cliff approach to the actual environment and to the disenfranchised of society in general?

        • Colonial Viper 11.1.1.1

          Feed’m Aropax and Zopiclone and it’ll be OK

        • weka 11.1.1.2

          They’re antithetical to each other. If you want healthy people you need a healthy environment and that includes social engagement.

      • McFlock 11.1.2

        lol

        Everything on the planet is “inevitably toxic” if you do enough. Drinking far too much water can kill you, so at a certain level even homeopathic “remedies” are toxic.

    • ianmac 11.2

      An odd caption for the photo of Key and Pugh.
      “National MP Maureen Pugh, who lives in the West Coast-Tasman electorate, with Prime Minister John Key. ” Tut tut.

    • weka 11.3

      What makes you think she is an anti-vaxxer?

      • Muttonbird 11.3.1

        Mate, she doesn’t even like antibiotics so I assume the rubella vaccine is off limits. A privileged upbringing and Kale smoothies are all her kids needed, apparently.

        • weka 11.3.1.1

          I know heaps of people who have raised their kids without using antibiotics. Doesn’t make them an anti-vaxxer. Sorry, but your ignorance and prejudices are showing. Not everyone that uses alternative medicines is anti-vaccine (even where they choose to not vaccinate themselves). It’s pretty interesting watching parts of the political commentariat be so arrogant on this issue when they really have no clues about the very large numbers of people who want the govt to better on health promotion beyond the ambulance model, because they know it’s worked in their own lives. I’m guessing you don’t know such people, based on your comment. Which means you are arguing from a place of not really knowing.

        • Colonial Viper 11.3.1.2

          There are some instances when antibiotics need to be used. But there is not much to like about the current use of antibiotics in society, and more importantly, in the last 10 years conventional medicine has finally started cottoning on to the damage that antibiotics cause to the human biome.

  12. Richardrawshark 12

    FLASH!!!!

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11653723

    Nick and Paulas reply to Andrew just popped up on the Herald!

    • Richardrawshark 12.1

      I read it, too little too late. The faithful will be pleased though.

      • Paul 12.1.1

        No opportunity to comment below it.

        • Richardrawshark 12.1.1.1

          I commented to that post through Andrews, lets hope it passes a kind censor.

          It’s was a good piece in reply by them. It will negate much of Andrews damage and that of the homeless plight on all National Key supporters. It’s just what they want to hear. Labours telling lies we are doing a lot, here’s the statistical proof. they won’t poke any further.

          Well done PB and Nick, though your hemoraging swing voters still I suspect!

          • Paul 12.1.1.1.1

            Interesting we are given the right to comment on Little’s comment, yet have no right to reply to Bennett and Smith.
            What a crock.

            • M. Gray 12.1.1.1.1.1

              Interesting to that John key said in Fiji that a healthy democracy is about being challenged by both opposition and the media thats what makes democracy stronger. What a load of BS.

    • Muttonbird 12.2

      They are scrambling.

      A reactionary government in action.

      Thanks to Nicky Hager the use of dirty politics by the government has been exposed and its effect diluted. Ministers must now do damage control by media rather than paid operatives.

      That is simply a PR piece from those two minister’s grab bag of ill-conceived and piecemeal policy.

    • Paul 12.3

      So not that busy, then….

      Time to write a puff piece for the Herald.
      Not enough time to visit Te Puea Marae.

      • Muttonbird 12.3.1

        No, she would have demanded her staff work late without pay to pull together all sorts of disparate bits from previous media releases.

    • Sabine 12.4

      but but

      they are building 40 houses a day.

      nick smith and paula bennet say so.

      40 a day!

      someone should ask nick smith to hire a bus and show us the houses.

      • Richardrawshark 12.4.1

        Big butt but

        When they say they, who is THEY exactly? mm huh mmm

        Is that 40 houses a day nationally, by rich pricks? See with national you need a front end loader to clear the shit away so you can see the truth.

    • ianmac 12.5

      Andrew’ words must be hurting them. So good news that they feel the need to shout out and explain and justify. Their problem is that by splurging out with far too many responses, the water is just plain muddied.
      Well done Andrew!

      • Muttonbird 12.5.1

        Explaining is losing. Bennett has been explaining a lot lately. Smith just doesn’t care.

  13. Colonial Viper 13

    NATO runs a 31,000 soldier exercise on Russia’s doorstep. (14,000 of them US soldiers).

    How aggressive and provocative of Russia to keep placing her country right next to all these NATO and US forces.

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/news/a21229/us-nato-exercise/

    • Draco T Bastard 13.1

      Saw that the other day. As far as I can make out the West seem to be pushing for a war.

      • Paul 13.1.1

        John PIlger seems to think so.

        ‘Clinton, the “women’s candidate”, leaves a trail of bloody coups: in Honduras, in Libya (plus the murder of the Libyan president) and Ukraine. The latter is now a CIA theme park swarming with Nazis and the frontline of a beckoning war with Russia. It was through Ukraine – literally, borderland – that Hitler’s Nazis invaded the Soviet Union, which lost 27 million people. This epic catastrophe remains a presence in Russia. Clinton’s presidential campaign has received money from all but one of the world’s ten biggest arms companies. No other candidate comes close.’

        http://johnpilger.com/articles/silencing-america-as-it-prepares-for-war

    • Kiwiri 13.2

      Hah. And about halfway round the globe, there’s that other big country getting uppity and needs to be kept in place or taught some lessons. Perhaps the name of that body of water should be changed from South China Sea to something more appropriate like North Philippines Sea.

    • At least the NATO effort is just an exercise. Russia does the invasion thing for real.

      • Colonial Viper 13.3.1

        Libya was NATO for real. Syria was NATO for real. Iraq was NATO for real. Yugoslavia was NATO for real.

        Note that none of these countries are anywhere near the USA.

        NATO is America’s European tool for spreading the Empire of Chaos.

        • te reo putake 13.3.1.1

          Two wrongs don’t make a right.

          • Colonial Viper 13.3.1.1.1

            That’s four wrongs from NATO/US.

            • te reo putake 13.3.1.1.1.1

              Makes no difference at all. And I don’t think anyone reckons Yugoslavia was a wrong, CV. The intervention was late, but not wrong.

              • Colonial Viper

                good to know you are ok with NATO attacks against civilian targets without a UN mandate. Same story in Libya. Thanks in large part to Killary.

                • You’re pretty happy with Russia annexing it’s neighbour’s territory, which is certainly worse behaviour than NATO’s sensible intervention to swiftly end the Balkan war. As I said, two wrongs don’t make a right. However, there’s little point you moaning about war warmongering if you are in fact in OK with it when its your favoured nation doing the bullying. Hypocritical, in fact.

  14. Paul 14

    TA’s story hits the MSM.

    ‘Homeless family: The realities of living in a van
    A family who lived for four months in their van kept going to work and school throughout their ordeal – and their daughter almost won a scholarship to St Cuthbert’s College.
    The two parents and six children aged 7 to 17 got up early every day to shower and eat breakfast at the mother’s workplace.
    Their 11-year-old daughter has posted on Facebook under the pseudonym “TA” about how she made lunches for all the children – “but sometimes there’s barely anything”.
    “It’s hard to do my homework with my family around,” she wrote.
    But despite being homeless, she just missed out on winning one of four scholarships offered by elite St Cuthbert’s College to Year 7 Maori and Pacific students each year.
    Favona Primary School deputy principal Heather Harvey, who encouraged her to apply and drove her to the test, said the college offered “fabulous resources” that the girl would never have access to at Mangere’s Decile 1 high schools.
    “She’s a very lovely, capable girl,” she said. “She was the head of our kapahaka team.”
    Mrs Harvey also wrote a letter supporting the family’s application for social housing, but had no response.
    “Things have been very hard for them. I just can’t understand how they lived,” she said.’

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11653678

  15. Rosemary McDonald 15

    Michelle Boag appears to have told big porkies during her stint as a member of Gentle Jim’s Panel on Natrad this afternoon.

    I listened for a nanosecond before walking off in disgust…but felt it only fair that I actually hear her out on the subject of Student Loans.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player/201803888

    …at around about 2 minutes she states that when she went to varsity there was some funding but she had to pay quite a bit….

    She graduated in 1977….

    Perhaps faulty memory is a National trait?

    • Paul 15.1

      Why does Brian Edwards tolerate her nonsense?
      Too much time spent in Herne Bay?

      • Rosemary McDonald 15.1.1

        I kinda see Te Panel as a repository for just- about- has- beens. It allows them some profile, I guess…but they’re all a bit desperate. (With maybe the exception of Dita Di Boni) I should listen more often, but I’m a recovering masochist….;-)

    • ianmac 15.2

      The nice Michelle Boag insisted that her son had no Student Loans. He worked you see. Virtuous lad.
      Two of my sons worked too and gained a degree or two each. Unfortunately they did not live in Christchurch so borrowed a Living Allowance and worked and studied and ended up with a big debt each. She scorns the parents who despair of their children’s debts.
      Planetary travel is obviously her forte.

      • Anne 15.2.1

        Michelle Boag insisted that her son had no Student Loans. He worked you see
        I heard that too and thought: oh yeah, and who used her many influential contacts to get him the work in the first place?

        It would be nice if every son/daughter was lucky enough to have a parent who could conjure up a good, well paying job for their children with a snap of their fingers.

      • Rosemary McDonald 15.2.2

        “Planetary travel is obviously her forte”

        Bullshitting is obviously her forte….and I wrote as much to Gentle Jim…

        I know it is a smallish misrepresentation of the truth….a trifle in the greater scheme of things…but it pisses me off. Its typical of her and her right wing friends to lie and deny….but these are parasites who got their education for fucking free….and they then denigrate today’s betrayed youth.

    • Pat 15.3

      she graduated???!!!

  16. weka 16

    More from the they’re so arrogant it’s unfuckingbeleivable file.

    The farm was originally owned by Landcorp — a state owned enterprise.

    In 2013 it decided to sell. Bay of Plenty iwi Ngāti Whakahemo wanted to buy it and it was part of their original Treaty claim.

    Landcorp sought advice from the Office of Treaty Settlements, who said Ngāti Whakahemo’s claims had been settled.

    The Supreme Court says that advice was wrong.

    Ngāti Whakahemo wrote to numerous Ministers seeking help.

    The Supreme Court ruled the decision by Ministers not to intervene was “a wrongful exercise of a public power”, and the decision by Landcorp to sell the farm was also “a wrongful exercise of a public power”.

    Not only are there no legal consequences, but Mr Finlayson is refusing to apologise.

    “Of course I won’t apologise because that’s a finding of law. It’s not as though I’ve done something grievous that requires me to get down on my knees and apologise.”

    He says Ngāti Whakahemo didn’t miss out on the opportunity to buy the land because the farm was too expensive.

    “They couldn’t have afforded to purchase it on their own, I know that.”

    “We’re one of the longest farming families in this district, everyone knows that,” says Mita Ririnui from Ngāti Whakahemo. “We had the means to purchase.”

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/minister-refuses-to-apologise-after-botched-land-deal-2016060918#axzz4B4EM3hJP (autoplay and text).

  17. Muttonbird 17

    Two interesting moves today by banks. Both in response to the government’s hands off approach to social policy.

    One by Westpac and ANZ very, very unusual as far as I am aware.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/305996/westpac-and-anz-stop-lending-to-foreign-buyers

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/business/306011/rbnz-considers-property-investor-crackdown

    The brighter future, where John Key drinks Kava with despots while private banks do the government’s work for them.

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