Daily review 13/11/2018

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1. Jack Ramaka 1

   13 November 2018 at 6:18 pm

   Talking to my dentist down the pub this afternoon evidently Wally Haumaha was thick as thieves with Clint Rickard, Brad Schollum an Shipton with regards to what was going on with the Louise Nicholas Case. Maybe Chris Bishop knows more about this than we do ?
   • A 1.1

     13 November 2018 at 6:57 pm

     Eww
   • Muttonbird 1.2

     13 November 2018 at 7:21 pm

     Interesting. Bishop was born in 1983 and was just 10 years old when Louise Nicholas went to the police with her complaint. Bishop is now the opposition spokesperson for police and he and the National Party does seem to be conveniently in receipt of a lot of information that would naturally be held by police.

     The National Party then use this information to attack the government with. I’m thinking the Haumaha case, the Whaitiri case, and the Sroubek case (and even the JLR case if you want to go there).

     Just wondering what political channels there are currently between police directly to the opposition spokesperson for police.

     Would OIA requests be able to find out who from the police speaks with Chris Bishop on a regular basis and what they talk about?
     • Gabby 1.2.1

       13 November 2018 at 8:41 pm

       If it puts wally down the road that’d be a silver lining mutty, he sounds like a right tosser.
       • Jack Ramaka 1.2.1.1

         13 November 2018 at 8:48 pm

         Bishop will make a name for himself if he can get a hit on Haumaha, anyway the damage has been done and Wally has been dragged through the mud through some very unwise words, whether he was involved with Rickards, Shipton & Schollum is another story ?
       • Muttonbird 1.2.1.2

         13 November 2018 at 8:57 pm

         For sure, Gobby. There will be hundreds of Haumahas in the NZ police though. And they are informing Chris Bishop as we speak. How to put them down the road?
2. Anne 2

   13 November 2018 at 6:33 pm

   Karel Sroubek’s mother is interviewed.

   It seems Karel’s former wife’s new partner, Mark Davis is a member of the National Party. He stood in the 2016 local body elections under the right wing ‘Auckland Future’ banner which was supported by National presidents past and present.

   Woodhouse claims he has never met Davis but of course he doesn’t have to does he…

   https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018671052/karel-sroubek-s-mother-mila-give-him-one-last-chance
   • Jack Ramaka 2.1

     13 November 2018 at 6:34 pm

     National certainly gave him plenty of chances ?
     • BM 2.1.1

       13 November 2018 at 6:46 pm

       For fuck’s sake man, actually read up about the guy’s history before repeating such idiotic comments.
   • BM 2.2

     13 November 2018 at 6:45 pm

     Why is Labour willing to die in a ditch over this guy?

     Over the last few years, I’ve seen quite a few cases involving some really talented people/families adding a lot to NZ getting booted out for something quite trivial.

     Why does NZ need a Czech drug dealer living here?

     The whole thing stinks of a thousand arses.
     • Jack Ramaka 2.2.1

       13 November 2018 at 6:59 pm

       We let all the Asian drug dealers stay or use their cheque books to buy justice here in NZ especially under our Sir John Key ?
       • Muttonbird 2.2.1.1

         13 November 2018 at 7:25 pm

         Yes, I hate to think how many smugglers of meth precursors have been openly welcomed by the National Party of New Zealand to our shores.
         • Cinny 2.2.1.1.1

           13 November 2018 at 7:48 pm

           + infinity Muttonbird.
         • Jack Ramaka 2.2.1.1.2

           13 November 2018 at 8:49 pm

           I doubt we have much accurate information on many of our new Asian Immigrants.
           • Muttonbird 2.2.1.1.2.1

             13 November 2018 at 8:58 pm

             Information deliberately not gathered.
     • Macro 2.2.2

       13 November 2018 at 6:59 pm

       Yeah I can’t understand why Woodhouse didn’t chuck him out years ago when he had the chance.
       • Jack Ramaka 2.2.2.1

         13 November 2018 at 7:05 pm

         He definitely had every right to, hopefully the Inquiry will reveal the answers ?
       • BM 2.2.2.2

         13 November 2018 at 7:11 pm

         What chance?

         Woodhouse was never informed of what criminal activity the Czech drug dealer was up to, so how could he deport him?
         • Jack Ramaka 2.2.2.2.1

           13 November 2018 at 7:14 pm

           So Immigration and the Police were not giving Woodhouse the information either ?
         • Graeme 2.2.2.2.2

           13 November 2018 at 7:16 pm

           “Woodhouse was never informed”

           Well I wonder how that came to be? Wasn’t he busted for using a false passport in 2009? I would have thought that would have found it’s way to the minister’s desk?
           • Muttonbird 2.2.2.2.2.1

             13 November 2018 at 7:27 pm

             Apparently that was all the fault of the errant leftie judge overseeing the case. At least according to RWNJs that is the story.

             I’m wondering if the Nat’s radar has got this badly wrong just like in the JLR situation and they are going to get found out.
           • BM 2.2.2.2.2.2

             13 November 2018 at 7:34 pm

             Discharge without conviction.
         • Draco T Bastard 2.2.2.2.3

           13 November 2018 at 7:28 pm

           Woodhouse was never informed of what criminal activity the Czech drug dealer was up to

           Yeah, I’m pretty sure that’s an untruth.
         • Gabby 2.2.2.2.4

           13 November 2018 at 8:42 pm

           Did he make sure he wasn’t informed while wearing the wrong hat BMmer?
       • Chris T 2.2.2.3

         13 November 2018 at 8:03 pm

         Mainly because he couldn’t.

         Strangely you can’t just chuck people with residency out on a whim.

         Which is why it is looking pretty bad for idiot Galloway.

         Unless they can extradite him, he will be in the court for years trying to get rid of him.
         • Jack Ramaka 2.2.2.3.1

           13 November 2018 at 8:07 pm

           Idiot along with Jacindarella should have read the report properly ?
           • Chris T 2.2.2.3.1.1

             13 November 2018 at 8:11 pm

             It isn’t her job to read it.

             There is only one person who wrote the letter (that can’t just be cancelled) and signed it off.

             Not sure why she is intent on backing him up though.

             Must not want to lose 3 Ministers in a year due to dodgy stuff
         • Draco T Bastard 2.2.2.3.2

           13 November 2018 at 9:32 pm

           Strangely you can’t just chuck people with residency out on a whim.

           For people to get residency they need to pass the Good Character test which includes not lying on their application. If they got residency and then it was found that they lied to get it then there’s a good case to withdraw residency.
           • Chris T 2.2.2.3.2.1

             13 November 2018 at 9:48 pm

             Not without grounds to

             The judge let him off for it remember.
   • Muttonbird 2.3

     13 November 2018 at 7:22 pm

     Wow. Fascinating. I speculated just now how so much information finds its way to the National Party on this and other cases and now it appears we know…at least in part.
   • ianmac 2.4

     13 November 2018 at 7:25 pm

     The mother says that Karel did go back to the Czech Republic but under a false name. Suggests that he felt at risk.
     • Jack Ramaka 2.4.1

       13 November 2018 at 8:08 pm

       Evidently he has links with the Hells Angels, so he is obviously well connected ?
   • Cinny 2.5

     13 November 2018 at 7:57 pm

     Dodgy as, so the new man of the exwife is seems to be out to score points for the national party.

     Go figure, typical behaviour of that mob, it’s all just a freaking competition and worries if people get hurt along the way.

     May she cotton on to what’s happening, cause from where I’m sitting it looks like she is being used.
3. joe90 3

   13 November 2018 at 6:45 pm

   Of course Trump’s going after Native American land, too.

   Brazil's next president, Jair Bolsonaro, wants to do away with indigenous territories, which are protected by law. "Where there is indigenous land, there is wealth underneath it," he said last year. https://t.co/vQ0dlD4pn9— The New York Times (@nytimes) November 11, 2018

   “This is not about energy,” Zinke said repeatedly as he sought to defend the downsizing of Bears Ears and Grand Staircase–Escalante National Monuments. Zinke has maintained that the decision to reduce the monuments grew out of his fact-finding mission in the months before the decision was announced. But anyone who lives in what the Utah-born writer Bernard DeVoto called “the plundered province” of the West knows that Zinke’s statements were suspect. Dig deep enough into any conflicts over public lands and you will be reminded of a simple truth: These days, it’s almost always about energy.

   Despite Zinke’s denials, it is now clear that the uranium industry lobbied hard to have Bears Ears and Grand Staircase–Escalante reduced. Publicly released Interior Department emails also show that the Bears Ears map was redrawn with potential oil and gas reserves in mind, and that a central motivation for the reduction of Grand Staircase–Escalante was the desire to get at coal reserves. (In June, another Canadian mining firm, Glacier Lake Resources, announced its acquisition of cobalt and copper deposits at Colt Mesa, a site that for more than 20 years had been protected as part of the Grand Staircase–Escalante monument.)

   https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/2018-4-september-october/feature/land-grab-trumps-campaign-against-bears-ears-national
   • Muttonbird 3.1

     13 November 2018 at 8:04 pm

     Ah, Jair Bolsonaro in the man-crush of one James of this forum. He believes Bolsonaro is more charming than Jacinda Ardern!

     I said previously today that James’ support for loose RW regressive extremists around the world paint a very clear picture of the man. He’s probably outside right now shouting at nature.

     Also, Joe, I’m a little confused why you would be so very hard on a fellow traveller in Ed since many, many of your concerns overlap.

     I remember once not long ago you ripped into me for agreeing with another commenter that Stormy Daniels has no class. Why the quick temper?
     • Robert Guyton 3.1.1

       13 November 2018 at 8:50 pm

       “He’s probably outside right now shouting at nature.”
       QFT
4. ianmac 4

   13 November 2018 at 7:23 pm

   Here we go. Mr Trump wants the vote counting to stop while his people were ahead.

   “Donald J. Trump
   ✔
   @realDonaldTrump
   The Florida Election should be called in favor of Rick Scott and Ron DeSantis in that large numbers of new ballots showed up out of nowhere, and many ballots are missing or forged. An honest vote count is no longer possible-ballots massively infected. Must go with Election Night!

   108K
   1:44 AM – Nov 13, 2018”
5. joe90 5

   13 November 2018 at 7:24 pm

   Damn sight more powerful than a recycled animation.
   • joe90 5.1

     13 November 2018 at 7:26 pm

     And despite talk of sustainable production, I ain’t buying the shit.

     Would boycotting palm oil stop deforestation? Not really.Watch this video to find out why. pic.twitter.com/psB0U6WBkF— Greenpeace (@Greenpeace) November 7, 2018

     http://www.saynotopalmoil.com/Whats_the_issue.php
   • Muttonbird 5.2

     13 November 2018 at 7:31 pm

     Very distressing. The more awareness the better I would have thought. And if the Brits are going to ban the ad they did, do you really think they are going to allow that?

     It’s the same problem we in the West face with censoring developing countries for using nuclear research for energy and defence. And having ignored carbon emissions and added to climate change for profit, who are we, the West, to deny developing countries the same opportunity?

     Having cut down all “our” forests for profit, how are we to deny developing counties the same opportunity without being incredibly hypocritical ladder-kicking bastards?

     Goes to show all those terrible decisions made 150 years ago still come back to haunt.
     • Jack Ramaka 5.2.1

       13 November 2018 at 8:05 pm

       The early British Settlors in NZ did particularly well here in NZ stripping out the native forests with the help of Maori labour of course to supply the British Navy with Kauri masts, spars and planking materials ?

       Indonesia & Brazil are just going through the colonisation and the asset stripping of indigeneous resources the same as the the British did here 170-180 years ago.

       The NZ Dairy Industry and companies like Nestle are the beneficiaries of this asset stripping of indigeneous forests.
       • Muttonbird 5.2.1.1

         13 November 2018 at 8:11 pm

         Yes. I would have thought if the stripping of our once grand forests stopped at spars and masts we would still have something spectacular.

         I also think some economic development will always have been required in NZ but the magnitude of native deforestation for generic agriculture is a crime.

         And still in the South Island we see agriculture override natural landscapes with irrigation schemes, water table pollution, and scant regard for what is being lost before our very eyes.
         • Jack Ramaka 5.2.1.1.1

           13 November 2018 at 8:42 pm

           District Council’s & Government’s don’t appear to give a rat’s arse to the pollution and resource plundering by the Dairy Industry and Asian Water Bottlers, make you wonder who is paying the piper ?
     • Gabby 5.2.2

       13 November 2018 at 8:46 pm

       It’s only fair to let the third world deliver the coup de grace eh mutty.
   • Ed 5.3

     13 November 2018 at 7:41 pm

     Always a petty little barb in there, joe.
     Why the need for it?
     • Muttonbird 5.3.1

       13 November 2018 at 7:46 pm

       No idea. It is bizarre because he’s obviously concerned about the same things.

       Americans! Declining civilisation and all that.
     • joe90 5.3.2

       13 November 2018 at 7:46 pm

       Because poe-faced wowsers merit barbs.
       • Ed 5.3.2.1

         13 November 2018 at 7:55 pm

         Shooting the messenger.
         Not debating the issue, eh.
6. WeTheBleeple 6

   13 November 2018 at 7:24 pm

   Sugar Babies are taxable.

   I can imagine the married men who patronise them declaring that expense. 🙂
7. Draco T Bastard 7

   13 November 2018 at 7:32 pm

   Russia excels in ditching dollar ahead of pending US sanctions against country’s financial system

   The list of the countries currently taking active steps towards eliminating their economic reliance on the US dollar is growing. Russia has joined a league of nations is making a lot of headway with the task, the WSJ reports.

   Russia is hardly the only country trying to fight against the predominance of US currency across the global financial system. The European Union has recently announced plans to create a special purpose vehicle to keep on trading with Iran, as these transactions had become a target for US unilateral sanctions. The partners are reportedly working on using the euro in mutual trade and other business activities.

   So, not impossible to disconnect from the present US dominated financial system.
8. Ed 8

   13 November 2018 at 7:49 pm

   George Galloway points out CNN is a fake new bureau.
   Galloway at 4:30.
9. joe90 9

   13 November 2018 at 8:02 pm

   heh

   So #JeffFlake, a Mormon who thinks women should be neither seen nor heard and put accused rapist #BrettKavanaugh on the #SCOTUS, has been replaced by openly bisexual former Mormon and supporter of #ReproRights, #KyrstenSinema, and I am smiling bigly.pic.twitter.com/lJuam20Fdi— Victoria Brownworth (@VABVOX) November 13, 2018
10. joe90 10

    13 November 2018 at 8:10 pm

    Jerome Corsi’s pity party.

    @ 5.00
11. Muttonbird 11

    13 November 2018 at 8:17 pm

    Remember all our RWNJ commenters are right into Trump, and the NRA, and the so called 2nd amendment. Here’s US trauma doctors calling the NRA out:

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/375841/doctors-respond-after-nra-tells-them-to-shut-up-over-gun-control
    • joe90 11.1

      13 November 2018 at 8:20 pm

      #stayinyourlane
    • Chris T 11.2

      13 November 2018 at 8:33 pm

      The vast majority of Americans want gun control in pretty much every survey.

      With includes a vast amount of republicans
      • Cinny 11.2.1

        13 November 2018 at 8:53 pm

        But no matter how many people want change re gun control, things still seem to stay the same.

        Why? There’s no money in peace or unity.
        • Chris T 11.2.1.1

          14 November 2018 at 12:09 am

          No idea

          I would guess NRA lobbyist

          I was just disagreeing with Muttonbirds “Remember all our RWNJ commenters are right into Trump, and the NRA, and the so called 2nd amendment.”
12. joe90 12

    13 November 2018 at 8:36 pm

    First ever and probably the last time I’ll post hip hop.
    • BM 12.1

      13 November 2018 at 8:46 pm
    • BM 12.2

      13 November 2018 at 8:50 pm

      And for some really bad arse shit and probably my fav rap/hip-hop song
13. Ed 13

    13 November 2018 at 8:38 pm

    ‘Required viewing for everyone.
    The Washington Institute For Near East Studies just fully admitted that every war we’ve ever been in was a false flag.’
    • joe90 13.1

      13 November 2018 at 8:57 pm

      For context, you disingenuous fool.
      • Muttonbird 13.1.1

        13 November 2018 at 9:14 pm

        And? That’s a comedy piece met by another comedy piece. What is your point?

        And just how has China lost its revolutionary fervour not once ever having held a democratic election? The West has chosen to ignore that, once again for profit.
        • joe90 13.1.1.1

          13 November 2018 at 9:18 pm

          Idiots have taken a stand up at an independent body’s forum, ascribed it as US policy, and said gotcha!.

          That’s infowars fuckwittery.
          • Muttonbird 13.1.1.1.1

            13 November 2018 at 9:24 pm

            What are you going to fight informers with? You post 100 tweets a month just like the Jimmy Dore crew do but you never suggest solutions.

            It’s lazy.
            • joe90 13.1.1.1.1.1

              13 November 2018 at 9:38 pm

              Because I don’t have the po-faced wowser’s delusional discernment to ascribe batshit notions to every, damn thing that goes bump in the night.
              • adam …

                13 November 2018 at 10:30 pm

                It was a comedy show, but if you want to carry on f&^king puppies, feel free.
        • Ed 13.1.1.2

          13 November 2018 at 9:21 pm

          Joe defends the neoliberal establishment at all costs.
          He regularly pimps for war on this site.
          He is 28.
          He has no historical reference point as to what war looks like.
          • Muttonbird 13.1.1.2.1

            13 November 2018 at 9:25 pm

            Is Joe90 American? It would explain a lot.
            • Ed 13.1.1.2.1.1

              13 November 2018 at 9:30 pm

              Don’t know.
              But he takes a lot of interest all things American.
              Obama, Hilary and Bill would approve of his points of view.

              He supports bellicose foreign US policy in the Baltic, Ukraine and Syria.
              He believes the White Helmets are a peaceful rescue organisation.
              He believes the UK line on the Skripals.
              • Muttonbird …

                13 November 2018 at 9:33 pm

                And he posts just like the very people he criticises. Zero self awareness!
                • marty mars …

                  13 November 2018 at 9:41 pm

                  Maybe hes a gnat plant lol
                  • Muttonbird …

                    13 November 2018 at 9:45 pm

                    Perhaps.

                    You get my point though. He did just savage the Jimmy Dore clip yet that type of delivery is literally all that Joe90 does on this forum.
                    • marty mars …

                      13 November 2018 at 10:10 pm

                      Go to bed arsehole.
          • joe90 13.1.1.2.2

            13 November 2018 at 9:29 pm

            Yeah, and I post about the goings on in Temple View, in the late sixties.
          • marty mars 13.1.1.2.3

            13 November 2018 at 9:40 pm

            Pathetic. People use pseudonyms here for a reason and don’t deserve your disgusting amateur hour attempts to pigeonhole them. Grow up ffs and just argue your fucken points. Who made you judge, jury and executioner – noone that’s who!
            • Muttonbird 13.1.1.2.3.1

              13 November 2018 at 9:47 pm

              Go to bed, arsehole.
              • marty mars …

                13 November 2018 at 10:09 pm

                Lol yeah right.
      • Draco T Bastard 13.1.2

        13 November 2018 at 9:27 pm

        Why does Iran have to compromise when the NPT guarantees them the right to develop a civilian nuclear program?

        And, yes, centrifugal enrichment is still part of a civilian nuclear program.

        Why is the US saying that if Iran doesn’t compromise then there must be war?
        • joe90 13.1.2.1

          13 November 2018 at 9:45 pm

          The video is from 2012, prior to the signing of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.

          tRump and Bolton want a fucking war with Iran, that’s why they scrapped the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.
          • Draco T Bastard 13.1.2.1.1

            13 November 2018 at 10:33 pm

            The US needs a war to protect its economy as it’s too hollowed out from all its corruption and the shifting of production offshore.
            • Ed 13.1.2.1.1.1

              13 November 2018 at 10:36 pm

              We were warned 57 years ago.
14. Jack Ramaka 14

    13 November 2018 at 8:43 pm

    Trump & the USA War Machine definitely looking for a punch up with Iran.
    • Ed 14.1

      13 November 2018 at 8:52 pm

      Having heard the spokesperson for The Washington Institute For Near East Studies, one can see why people question this event.
      • Jack Ramaka 14.1.1

        13 November 2018 at 8:58 pm

        Definitely a controlled demolition IMHO.
        • Ed 14.1.1.1

          13 November 2018 at 9:14 pm

          General Wesley Clark.
          About ten days after 9/11.
          • Jack Ramaka 14.1.1.1.1

            13 November 2018 at 9:53 pm

            Very compelling stuff from someone quite credible.
            • Ed 14.1.1.1.1.1

              13 November 2018 at 9:57 pm

              Trailer for the most compelling film on the subject.
      • McFlock 14.1.2

        13 November 2018 at 9:46 pm

        🙄

        haven’t scratched that itch in too long, huh?
        • Ed 14.1.2.1

          13 November 2018 at 9:51 pm

          I haven’t changed my view.
          And the comments by Clark and Clawson add weight to those of us who ask the question “Cui Bono?”
          As Jack Ramaka say, Clark is very credible and what he says is compelling.
          • McFlock 14.1.2.1.1

            13 November 2018 at 10:00 pm

            So the buildings were destroyed and people murdered in a conspiracy to make it look like a bunch of Saudis had done it, so the US could invade Iraq? Don’t be stupid.

            Or maybe a bunch of mostly Saudis organised by a group harboured in Afghanistan did the attack off their own bat, and all the hawks did was use alleged connections with that act (amongst other fabricated evidence) as an excuse to start hostilities against iraq.
            • Ed 14.1.2.1.1.1

              13 November 2018 at 10:04 pm

              Who had the means?
              Who had the motive?
              Who had the opportunity?

              In U.S. criminal law, means, motive, and opportunity is a common summation of the three aspects of a crime that must be established before guilt can possibly be determined in a criminal proceeding. Respectively, they refer to: the ability of the defendant to commit the crime (means), the reason the defendant committed the crime (motive), and whether the defendant had the chance to commit the crime (opportunity).

              For example, if a criminal shot someone with a handgun and took his/her money when the victim was in an isolated, secluded area at night, the means would be the handgun, the motive financial (i.e., the money they stole), and the opportunity the fact that it would be unlikely someone else would witness or stop them. For the majority of crimes, means and opportunity are the easiest to prove; however, for some offenses (such as rape or serial killing), the motive can be hard to define.

              Opportunity is most often disproved by use of an alibi, which can prove the accused was not able to commit the crime as he or she did not have the correct set of circumstances to commit the crime as it occurred. Some crimes are motiveless. However, proof of a motive can often make it easier to convince a jury of the elements that must be proven for a conviction.
              • McFlock …

                13 November 2018 at 10:14 pm

                The invasion of Iraq was a crime of opportunity. Like if someone else kicks the door open and runs away, a thief sees it and nicks the purse off the hall table.
                • Ed …

                  13 November 2018 at 10:16 pm

                  It was only made possible by 9/11.
                  • McFlock …

                    13 November 2018 at 10:32 pm

                    If the USS Cole or the 1993 WTC bombing had happened under their watch, they would have done the same thing.
                    • Ed …

                      13 November 2018 at 10:34 pm

                      The neocons weren’t in power in 1993.
                      They were in 2001.
                    • McFlock …

                      13 November 2018 at 10:38 pm

                      yes, that’s my point.

                      Why do anything if something was going to happen anyway?
                    • Ed …

                      13 November 2018 at 10:41 pm

                      And we know the official story was a lie.
                      Commentators have drawn similarities to Pearl Harbour.
                    • McFlock …

                      14 November 2018 at 11:53 am

                      You know no such thing
                • Jack Ramaka …

                  13 November 2018 at 10:33 pm

                  Operation Northwoods was one of the USA’s earlier ones with Cuba in the 1960’s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods they have been in USA’s Military Handbook for a while.
                  • Ed …

                    13 November 2018 at 10:35 pm

                    Many see parallels between Northwood and 9/11.
                  • McFlock …

                    13 November 2018 at 10:43 pm

                    So they chose to frame Saudi Arabia as an excuse to attack Iraq?
            • Jack Ramaka 14.1.2.1.1.2

              13 November 2018 at 10:04 pm

              Hit the nail on the head.
            • Ed 14.1.2.1.1.3

              13 November 2018 at 10:04 pm

              Don’t believe me.
              Listen to Wesley Clark.
              • McFlock …

                13 November 2018 at 10:15 pm

                What Clark said in no way indicates who did 9/11 or how.
                • Ed …

                  13 November 2018 at 10:21 pm

                  A detective investigating a crime would find his statement very interesting.

                  Means
                  Motive
                  Opportunity.
                  • McFlock …

                    13 November 2018 at 10:22 pm

                    As if you’d fucking know.
                    • Ed …

                      13 November 2018 at 10:25 pm

                      Didn’t take you long to abandon reasoned debate and resort to foul and aggressive abuse.
                    • McFlock …

                      13 November 2018 at 10:31 pm

                      Oh, I’m supposed to believe you’d have any idea what a detective would find “interesting”? Watched a lot of Poirot videos, have you?

                      Because what the neocons actually did in the way of seeing themselves as empire builders and the descendants of Kissinger, that’s what they should be in jail for. Not your fantasy about 9/11, about using it to invade and loot nations completely unrelated to the crime.

                      They don’t want to destabilise the ME, that’s plan B. They wanted to rule it. And they used the murders of 3,000 people to justify going after people other than the perpetrators.

                      And yeah, Trump has brought back the same folks.
                    • Ed …

                      13 November 2018 at 10:38 pm

                      And just as they came into power, 9/11 happened.
                      That was convenient for them.
                    • McFlock …

                      13 November 2018 at 10:44 pm

                      something happens every few years.
                      They didn’t need to do anything.
          • joe90 14.1.2.1.2

            13 November 2018 at 10:07 pm

            Ed 14.1.2.1
            13 November 2018 at 9:51 pm

            Explain Clark’s comment.

            The Project for the New American Century saw the post 9/11 world as an opportunity to the begin regime changes the organisation had been planning since its inception in 1997.
            • Ed 14.1.2.1.2.1

              13 November 2018 at 10:09 pm

              Correct.
              They were ready to seize that opportunity.
              The plan was already up and ready to go.
              What an amazing coincidence.
              • joe90 …

                13 November 2018 at 10:11 pm

                And when I win powerball I plan to marry ScarJo.
                I’m ready to go.
                It’ll be an amazing coincidence.
              • Jack Ramaka …

                13 November 2018 at 10:13 pm

                Loose units ?
                • Ed …

                  13 November 2018 at 10:15 pm

                  We don’t know.
                  What we do know is that the official story is a lie.
              • McFlock …

                13 November 2018 at 10:20 pm

                All they were doing was waiting for a precipitating event. A plane crash, a big bomb, a ship hijacking, a bridge bomb, anything that could be blamed on Iran or Iraq, preferably. Some ME nation. The neocons had a big military dick, and wanted to swing it.

                You don’t need a coincidence if you know something of the right character will happen anyway.
15. Sabine 15

    13 November 2018 at 9:31 pm

    anyone heard of this?

    https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016219854

    “People’s connections in the US to Google – including its cloud, YouTube, and other websites – were suddenly rerouted through Russia and into China in a textbook Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) hijacking attack.

    That means folks in Texas, California, Ohio, and so on, firing up their browsers and software and connecting to Google and its services were instead talking to systems in Russia and China, and not servers belonging to the Silicon Valley giant.
    Any information exchanged during the hour-and-a-half-long hijacking that wasn’t securely encrypted may have leaked into the wrong hands. Netizens outside of America may also have been affected.’ Quote end.

    interesting times i guess.
    • Draco T Bastard 15.1

      13 November 2018 at 9:56 pm

      I’d call that an act of war.
      • Macro 15.1.1

        13 November 2018 at 10:10 pm

        I would too.
      • gsays 15.1.2

        14 November 2018 at 7:55 am

        Is that any differment than the state doing the same thing?
        Intercepting every cyber communication and collating data.

        I recently rewatched Citizen4, and again was surprised by how quickly the public shrugged, accepted and soon enough the sheeple went back to sleep.
        I am aware KDC overegged the big reveal came, but what was revealed was a big warning.
        Now minister Little wants the spies to have even more power.
        Something to do with the terrorism that was visited on the folk of Te Urewera by the constabulary.
16. Macro 16

    13 November 2018 at 10:09 pm

    ‘Bleeding’ vegan burger will come with suspiciously authentic scabs
    Something for Ed to take his mind off “false flags” for goodness sake
    • Ed 16.1

      13 November 2018 at 10:12 pm

      You must be glad I broach so many thought provoking subjects for you to mull over.

      When are you going to make a stand for our children and grandchildren and fight climate change?
      When are you going to stop eating meat?
      • Ed 16.1.1

        13 November 2018 at 10:17 pm

        Something to think over before you eat a hamburger.
      • Macro 16.1.2

        13 November 2018 at 10:25 pm

        When are you going to learn a little science and understand that continual horticulture is fucking the planet. The emissions of methane from killing plants is just as great as that of animals – rice growing in particular is a major contributor to GHG emissions. Now I don’t advocate for industrial farming any more than you do. But restorative grazing on pasturelands is just as efficient in sequestering carbon as growing trees.
        And by the way since you ask. I have been campaigning for action on addressing Global Warming since the 1990’s, and I’ve planted more trees than you have hot dinners.
        So get off your high horse. You are not the fountain of all that is good and wonderful, and your repetitive posts here are boring in the extreme.
        • Ed 16.1.2.1

          13 November 2018 at 10:32 pm

          You may think so.
          Many people don’t.
          • Draco T Bastard 16.1.2.1.1

            13 November 2018 at 10:41 pm

            I don’t give a fuck what people think. I only care about the facts. What do the figures show?
            • Ed 16.1.2.1.1.1

              13 November 2018 at 10:46 pm

              The facts.

              Going vegan is the ‘single biggest way’ to reduce your impact on Earth

              A LANDMARK global study has revealed the one simple thing we can all do to massively reduce our impact on the planet.

              This is because a landmark global study into the production of greenhouse gas emissions from over 38,000 farms has pointed to one simple way we can reduce our global warming woes — by avoiding meat and dairy products.

              The paper published in Science today shows that without these industries, global farmland use could be reduced by more than 75 per cent.

              That’s an area the size of Australia, the US, China and the EU combined. And what’s more, the study shows we don’t even really need meat anyway.

              ..the livestock industry accounts for a massive 83 per cent of farmland in the world and produces 60 per cent of greenhouse gas emissions in farming….

              “A vegan diet is probably the single biggest way to reduce your impact on planet Earth, not just greenhouse gases, but global acidification (of ocean water), eutrophication (the build up of nutrients in water bodies which destroys wildlife), land use and water use,” Oxford University researcher Joseph Poore told The Guardian today.

              Over all, the researchers estimated a vegan world would produce 49 per cent less greenhouse gas emissions from food, 50 per cent less acidification, 49 per cent less eutrophication, and reduce water use by 19 per cent.

              “It (going vegan) is far bigger than cutting down on your flights or buying an electric car,” Mr Poore added. “Agriculture is a sector that spans all the multitude of environmental problems. Really it is animal products that are responsible for so much of this.

              https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/going-vegan-is-the-single-biggest-way-to-reduce-your-impact-on-earth/news-story/7f56cd0edd9ec5dea081f267fe3fc2af
              • Macro …

                14 November 2018 at 2:15 pm

                Typically Ed cherry picks from an op ed article in the SMH…
                As I quite simply stated above – I don’t advocate for industrialised farming any more than Ed does – ie not at all.
                Here is the concluding part of the article that Ed decided wasn’t worth quoting – because it contradicted his viewpoint.

                Today’s analysis found there was a massive difference between different ways of producing the same food products.

                Take beef for example. Cattle raised on deforested land produce 12 times more greenhouse gases and use 50 times more land than the same livestock would grazing on natural pasture.

                They also found that if we cut our meat consumption in half and removed the worst 50 per cent of meat producers, and replaced them with vegetable crops, the benefits to the planet would be massive.

                Note that the last paragraph doesnot mandate or advocate a vegan diet but simply a reduced meat intake.
                Furthermore, what the article doesn’t take into account is the damage caused by intensified Horticulture and the disruption of the microbial environments in the soil of constant tillage – and the necessity of inorganic fertilisers for the production of maize and soy beans etc. Nor does it provide any comment on the release of GHG from tilled soil. A process that is a fundamental part of vegetable food production on an extensive scale. And the release of GHG from tilled soils is surprisingly large.
                What were once the vast prairies of North America – and the natural pasture lands – have now been destroyed by industrial farming. Where once, these soils sequestered vast quantities of Carbon, constant tillage has reduced them to such a state, that scientists predict the soils will be incapable of supporting crops with a few decades.
                https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/only-60-years-of-farming-left-if-soil-degradation-continues/
                There is a growing body of opinion – backed by empirical studies in the US, and elsewhere, that a return to natural practices and simple farming techniques can have significant benefits wrt Carbon sequestration, and at the same time improve animal well being and animal health. A recent white paper give some background to what is sometimes referred to as restorative grazing the Summary is here:

                Summary: This white paper reviews the literature on soil organic carbon losses and potential gains through regenerative management. It finds that most literature is limited to areas considered in “agriculture” and that rangelands may be largely under represented both in terms of of losses and drawdown potential. It argues that with regenerative rangeland practices, such as Holistic Planned Grazing, the total capture of atmospheric carbon may be much higher than previously considered. An upward estimate of 88 to 210 gigatons (billions of tons) of carbon (88-210 GtC) representing a total drawdown of 25 to 60 tons per hectare on 3500 million hectares of grasslands worldwide is postulated as achievable through proper rangeland/grassland management. This represents a CO2 reduction equivalency of 41 to 99 ppm, enough to return us to the 350 ppm level mandated by the Paris Climate Accords.

                my bold
                https://www.savory.global/the-potential-of-restorative-grazing-to-mitigate-global-warming-by-increasing-carbon-capture-on-grasslands/
        • WeTheBleeple 16.1.2.2

          14 November 2018 at 8:34 am

          Well stated re: restorative grazing. Ed is not in the loop just thinks he is with regards to what agriculture needs.

          Get rid of the chemists.
17. Jack Ramaka 17

    13 November 2018 at 10:24 pm

    Ed your firing tonight, too many greens, a bit of activity on Daily Review for those of us who have to work for a living during the day. Keep up the thought provoking topics, also less trolls active in the evenings and at night.
    • Ed 17.1

      13 November 2018 at 10:31 pm

      Thank you.

      The latest from Syria

      ‘Not on mainstream media: Nearly two years after Syria’s Aleppo was liberated from jihadist terrorism, churches all over the ancient city are filled with Christians who can finally worship once again in peace.’

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrlhtXSU4AAw2tD.jpg
      • Stuart Munro 17.1.1

        13 November 2018 at 11:43 pm

        Which is to say, Ed’s murderous totalitarian idol Assad bombed or gassed all the remaining civilians in the area.

        Way to go Ed – our very own Lord Haw Haw.
        • adam 17.1.1.1

          14 November 2018 at 1:30 am

          Your jihadist mates didn’t get the christians ah Stuart Munro, you must be really upset.

          Way to go Stuart Munro – our very own Tokyo Rose.
18. Ed 18

    13 November 2018 at 11:01 pm

    Penultimate thought for the night.

    Neil Clark on the U.S. elections.

    “Illusion of democracy: If US elections could change anything they wouldn’t be held

    Political power lies not with the voters, but with the powerful lobby groups who ‘buy’ elected representatives, who then act in their interests, and not the people’s. It’s not those we see at election time who really call the shots, but those we don’t. Those hidden behind the curtain. Those who write the cheques.

    That’s why whoever wins we’ll never get any meaningful gun control, no matter how many mass shootings take place. It’s why neither the Democrats nor the Republicans will introduce an American National Health Service. Why the power of Wall Street and finance capital won’t be curbed. And why in foreign policy, presidents and Congress will always do the bidding of the military-industrial complex and Israel“

    https://t.co/hiYxG9samB?amp=1
    • patricia bremner 18.1

      14 November 2018 at 4:17 am

      Ed, shades of National and their money for a place on the list.
19. Ed 19

    13 November 2018 at 11:05 pm

    And finally.
    One of the best left wing thinkers and writers in the U.K.
    John Wight discusses the demonisation of Russia.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ5viZQa2F0
    • Jack Ramaka 19.1

      13 November 2018 at 11:32 pm

      NZ MSM and the NZ Government appear to be buying into the demonisation of Russia by the USA.
    • Stuart Munro 19.2

      13 November 2018 at 11:46 pm

      It’s funny – you murder a couple of former spys and the odd innocent bystander and people demonize you. The UK isn’t like Russia at all.
    • RedLogix 19.3

      14 November 2018 at 12:58 am

      Having spent some time travelling and working in Russia over two separate trips I’ve experienced the people first hand. For a start I feel safer walking about a typical Russian city than I do in many other places. (There are of course specific places everywhere that really should be avoided.)

      In public they can be very buttoned down, grim almost. But once you get to know them at work or in their personal lives, they are both well educated, serious minded AND at the same time great hosts and capable of a lot of fun. If you ever get the chance I highly recommend making the journey; it will be both challenging and remarkable at the same time.

      The video above hits on a lot of strong notes I agree with. The point on imperialism is well made; but no mention of what must take it’s place. I saw the poverty and destruction caused by Western policy towards Russia first hand. Deprivation in a hot country is one thing; in a cold country it’s brutal.

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