Daily review 18/10/2022

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1. weka 1

   18 October 2022 at 6:17 pm

   https://twitter.com/wekatweets/status/1582239408228401152
2. observer 2

   18 October 2022 at 6:25 pm

   I hope Labour stare down Sharma, rather than playing along with his stunt.

   If/when he resigns (he hasn't yet) then choose the earliest possible date for the by-election (so this year), and boycott it. Don't get caught up in headless chicken punditry, focus on winning a year from now, which probably won't include Hamilton West anyway, so it doesn't matter.

   Of course people here on a political blog will say "no, they must stand, the by-election is so important", but the people of Hamilton won't give a damn. They are right.

   Treat Sharma with the contempt he deserves, and let National win on a 20% turnout. Chances are their candidate will provide embarrassing headlines for them anyway, as will Sharma.
   • Anne 2.1

     18 October 2022 at 6:45 pm

     Of course the Nats will say "The Labour Party are cowards. Won't even stand a candidate." But Labour is going to lose the seat anyway. They can afford to turn their back on the whole shemozzle.

     My pick is the turnout would be an all time low. Labour voters will stay at home. Only the Nats and ACT will turn out in decent numbers. Nobody will be able to read anything in the result.
   • Muttonbird 2.2

     18 October 2022 at 9:28 pm

     Well, he has resigned now.

     You can be sure National Party operatives (Chris Bishops's office) will have been in his ear for weeks upon weeks now, coaxing and coaching him to do exactly this.
     • observer 2.2.1

       18 October 2022 at 9:52 pm

       I don't think the Speaker has received his letter of resignation yet. Presumably he will, but Sharma is so incompetent he probably thinks a statement on Facebook counts. It doesn't.
       • Incognito 2.2.1.1

         18 October 2022 at 9:54 pm

         Maybe he sent it to Trevor.
3. SPC 3

   18 October 2022 at 6:37 pm

   "Thus any system which removes the ability to name and recognise the female sex as a class is seen to serve the interest of patriarchal capitalism. If male and female cease to be labels that recognise a material reality, but instead identity markers that can be adopted by either sex, it becomes impossible for women to organise or be recognised as a sex class. This is what gender identity results in – a system of idealist individual liberalism, where material reality is subordinate to an individual’s claim of identity."

   Dave Hewitt

   https://voidifremoved.substack.com/p/identitarianism-is-not-left

   A classic case of poor use of language and a poor analysis in one.

   First, the confusion of the two different meanings of class.

   Second, the conflation with a contest over categorisation (here male and female) with capitalism and social and economic class politics. Presumably to claim only one side in the contest is "left wing". That is divide the left on the issue.

   class

   /klɑːs/

   noun

   1. a set or category of things having some property or attribute in common and differentiated from others by kind, type, or quality.

      "it has good accommodation for a hotel of this class"

      Similar: category grade rating classification group bracket set division kind sort type order variety genre brand species genus family generation breed strain denomination stamp ilk cast mould stripe

   2. a system of ordering society whereby people are divided into sets based on perceived social or economic status.

      "people who are socially disenfranchised by class"

   It's bad enough that people like Posie Parker/aka Kellie-Jay Keen a left wing activist for womens rights

   asserts that she does not call her herself a feminist because those that do support porn and prostitution (they in fact support women in whatever choices they make – just that they be empowered/have legal rights/are safe). This mischaracterisation of the position does nothing to build bridges with those "feminists" some of whom are on the same side on this issue. So why does she do it? It's obviously of a deliberate intent to conflate the issue of "identity" with porn and prostitution. The "theology" graduate student is of an agenda, to divide "left wing" women against each other on these issues.
   • Sabine 3.1

     19 October 2022 at 7:15 am

     and men will still not be part of that group, class, category, type, style, form, etc.

     Because men will have their own class, category, type, style, form, etc.

     Men will never be women. Women will never be men. No matter how many surgeries they have, how much hormones they down, and how often they proclaim their pronouns.

     people with birthing abilities will always oppressed and exploited on the function of their reproductive abilities, and it mattes not one bit if you call these people women, transmen or non binary. they are oppressed on the grounds of being able to gestate and birth a full blown human being. Men will contribute to that child by squirting semen, in a cup or in a vagina. And thus men – call them men, transwomen or non binary men – will always be the class – aided and abetted by some 'women, transmen, nonbinary, – that will exploit the female body that is the material reality of 'women'.

     As for feminists, I am not one. Have never professed to be one.
     I am what you might call a Merf.
     Male Exclusionary radical female.

     And i like so many Merfs are not keen on having dick in our changing/shower facilities in public sports centres, having dick locked up with women in prisons and 'fathering' or raping women into pregnancies, having men impersonate women in order to get jobs, or worse even become spokespersons of tampon or other female hygiene products, i mean what would men do with a tampon? Shove it up their arses? Hang about ladies toilets to offer them to young girls or women who may need one?
     And for those men that have castrated themselves in order to live their authentic lives, that still just makes them a eunuch presenting as an image of a stereotype of womanhood, their mind, their needs, their ideas are male, as you sadly can not amputate the mind as you can a dick.

     Posie Parker is a force and she is great. In fact she is an absolute Queen of a sort no man will ever be. They don't have then necessary brass ovaries and experience of being a women, a wife, a mother.

     but you do you.
     • SPC 3.1.1

       19 October 2022 at 7:44 am

       Whatever that was, it was not a response to my post.

       Male Exclusionary radical female.

       You do you, identity politics.

       It’s sad you see women as oppressed because they can give birth.

       I note the offence at those who would bring their male anatomy into womens spaces and yet still the slight at those transgender who undertake surgery.
4. joe90 4

   18 October 2022 at 6:37 pm

   Resilience.

   https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1580795659397271552
5. joe90 5

   18 October 2022 at 7:13 pm

   Not too sure where cream cheese and water cracker fit in.

   One of my favorite words is lox,” says Gregory Guy, a professor of linguistics at New York University. There is hardly a more quintessential New York food than a lox bagel—a century-old popular appetizing store, Russ & Daughters, calls it “The Classic.” But Guy, who has lived in the city for the past 17 years, is passionate about lox for a different reason. “The pronunciation in the Proto-Indo-European was probably ‘lox,’ and that’s exactly how it is pronounced in modern English,” he says. “Then, it meant salmon, and now it specifically means ‘smoked salmon.’ It’s really cool that that word hasn’t changed its pronunciation at all in 8,000 years and still refers to a particular fish.”

   https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-english-word-that-hasn-t-changed-in-sound-or-meaning-in-8-000-years
6. arkie 6

   18 October 2022 at 7:31 pm

   Protests remain the easiest ways to hold the government to account on it’s action, or inaction, around climate change and the environment. Turns out that’s because there is seemingly no long term thinking.

   The Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment, Simon Upton, has released a report on the country’s environmental reporting, research and investment.

   …

   It found environmental data was fragmented, relying on contributions from different organisations for different purposes and using different methodologies.

   One of the key difficulties in current reporting was that environmental problems often lacked a simple link between cause and effect or, in some cases, there was a complete lack of data.

   “For a country that is so heavily reliant on the biophysical world to make a living, it is remarkable what we do not know,” Upton said.

   For example, there was no reliable data to know how much water was being taken from rivers, lakes, and aquifers.

   https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/476910/concern-over-value-for-money-of-govt-s-2b-annual-spend-on-environment

   This lack of accountability across the Government and ministries isn’t surprising when, for example, we have a Department of Conservation that is onside with luxury developers:

   The native kororā, or little blue penguins, have been spotted at Kennedy Point marina searching for somewhere safe to make their home.

   Massey University’s kororā biologist professor John Cockrem is concerned about their wellbeing.

   He said the construction activities at Pūtiki Bay were having adverse effects on kororā.

   “Once it became apparent how many penguins live in the rock wall, at that point it was very clear that Pūtiki Bay is not an appropriate place for a marina.”

   Prof Cockrem said it was an offence to knowingly disturb native wildlife.

   “The construction activities are doing exactly that, they are knowingly disturbing and having adverse affects on the penguins.”

   …

   Department of Conservation acting director Helen Neale said they would investigate if evidence of disturbance was provided.

   So far, Neale said there had been no evidence of significant disturbance to kororā.

   https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/468683/waiheke-island-marina-construction-harming-nesting-efforts-of-little-blue-penguins-expert-says

   #ProtectPūtiki and Ngāti Pāoa are still protesting this consent and the harm this marina construction is causing. They also have a petition: https://our.actionstation.org.nz/petitions/protectputiki
7. SPC 7

   18 October 2022 at 7:56 pm

   The Scottish Greens have suspended ties with the Green Party of England and Wales after members raised concerns about transphobia.

   A motion to suspend the formal association was submitted at the Scottish Greens conference in Dundee.

   On Sunday, the motion was passed following a vote by party members, with the suspension taking immediate effect.

   It will remain in place until both issues of transphobia and respect for the Scottish Green party and its independence are resolved, the motion indicated.

   https://news.stv.tv/politics/scottish-greens-suspend-ties-with-green-party-of-england-and-wales
   • Belladonna 7.1

     18 October 2022 at 9:07 pm

     Dear Lord. Climate emergency anyone?
     While shivering in unheated houses, inundated by rising sea levels, and battered by climate-driven storms – at least they'll be using their pronouns correctly.
     • Muttonbird 7.1.1

       18 October 2022 at 9:37 pm

       Green parties all over the world are about more than climate change alone. They must after all have policy positions on a wide range of issues or else they will be seen as single issue parties. I note that this is exactly what you attempt with your comment, to box back the Greens to just the one issue.
       • Incognito 7.1.1.1

         18 October 2022 at 9:54 pm

         Everybody with even a modicum of understanding of the Green Party knows about its four pillars.
       • Belladonna 7.1.1.2

         18 October 2022 at 10:16 pm

         A matter of relative priorities.
         There is a climate emergency.
         I don't believe that anyone has proclaimed a transgender emergency.

         The art of politics is to work effectively with allies – even when you don't agree with the whole of their platform. To find common ground.

         For the Scottish Greens to cut ties with a party with which they share the majority of their polices in common, over a small difference – is the marker of a party seeking electoral irrelevance.
         • Muttonbird 7.1.1.2.1

           18 October 2022 at 10:29 pm

           Clearly it is not a small difference. The Scottish Greens are not happy with some apparent Transphobic rhetoric from the much more conservative England and Wales Greens.

           It's a stand which they feel is important but for some they are way outside their lane…
           • weka 7.1.1.2.1.1

             19 October 2022 at 12:15 am

             here's some context.

             Aimee Knight (née Challenor, born 1 October 1997) is a British transgender activist, former spokesperson and electoral candidate for the Green Party,[1] and former Reddit administrator.[2] In 2017, she stood for election in Coventry South, receiving 1.3% of the votes.

             In 2018, David Challenor, Knight's father, who had been serving as her election agent, was convicted and jailed for raping and torturing a 10-year-old girl, and for making indecent images of children.[3][4] Knight's recruitment of her father, despite her knowledge of the charges for 22 sexual offences, led to an investigation and Knight's suspension from the Green Party. She later resigned and joined the Liberal Democrats, but was suspended in 2019 over tweets allegedly posted by her partner concerning sexual fantasies around children.[5][6][7] Knight resigned from Stonewall UK at around the same time, leaving the United Kingdom for the United States.

             https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aimee_Challenor

             The problem here (and it beggars belief that I have to point this out), is that what happened with Chanellor in the UK Greens demonstrates a serious lack of boundaries and sense by the party (and Chanellor obviously). I'll put a fair amount of that down to the fact that gender identity ideology and No Debate make it very difficult to raise issues about any trans person. The problem isn't trans people per se, it's the fear that people live under that stops them from speaking out.

             The party didn't do due diligence on a candidate and office holder. This is political ineptitude.

             So now we have the Scottish Green Party not distancing itself from the UK Greens because they're inept and they couldn't spot rape culture in their own party, but because of alleged transphobia. They're doing so from an ideological place that creates huge problems and instead of working to protect trans people alongside everyone else they're making the situation worse.

             And don't tell me Chanellor is just one instance. Anyone following the UK gender critical politics knows that there are now multiple issues like this arising from gender identity ideology. See Mermaids for the latest on transgression of normative boundaries around safety and culture.

             …some apparent Transphobic rhetoric

             Do you know what it was specifically?
             • Sabine …

               19 October 2022 at 7:22 am

               Everyone is a transphobe who will not bow and submit.

               Womens rights are transphobic.

               Women spaces are transphobic.

               Women only schools are transphobic.

               Women only sports are transphobic.

               Tampons are transphobic – thus we have males now being spokespersons for companies producing these items. Ditto for make up.

               Menstruation is transphobic.

               Pregnancy is transphobic.

               Birthing a child is transphobic.

               Being a mother is transphobic.

               Everyone can be a transphobe. Now bow down, and and pleasure that male genital and call it a ladydique. Cause women now have dicks. And these dicks must be serviced those without a name/class/category, the things that we used to call women/girls.
               • weka …

                 19 October 2022 at 10:06 am

                 I'll hazard a guess it's the members of the UK Greens who believe biological sex is real and matters that are the problem. Rather than there being people in the party that hate trans people.

                 But I was curious if Scottish Greens said what the problem was or just used a genderist memo.
                 • SPC …

                   19 October 2022 at 10:20 am

                   The context is circumstance – the Scottish Greens support a proposed change in law to self ID (SNP governance), whereas this is unlikely in England (under either Tories or Labour's Starmer) which has chosen to remain with an overseen/managed process.

                   The public consultation phase has concluded and a "select" committee has backed self declaration.

                   https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/06/holyrood-committee-backs-self-declaration-for-transgender-people

                   JK Rowling has resorted to wearing tshirts in protest.

                   https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/jk-rowling-wears-t-shirt-calling-nicola-sturgeon-destroyer-of-womens-rights-as-edinburgh-protests-break-out-3870406
                   • weka …

                     19 October 2022 at 11:20 am

                     The context is why JKR is wearing that t-shirt, and why there is such a backlash against trans activism.
                   • SPC …

                     19 October 2022 at 11:30 am

                     forwomen.scot/04/10/2022/public-opinion-polls/
                   • SPC …

                     19 October 2022 at 11:45 am

                     https://forwomen.scot/04/10/2022/public-opinion-polls/

                     https://www.greens.org.nz/an_open_letter_to_the_green_party_of_england_and_wales
                   • Molly …

                     19 October 2022 at 11:53 am

                     Select Committee processes are more robust if there is no pre-determined outcome in mind. It is apparent to those following the SNP, that – as in NZ – this is not the case here.

                     The report itself has the familiar signs of advocacy authorship and direction:

                     https://sp-bpr-en-prod-cdnep.azureedge.net/published/EHRCJ/2022/10/6/d81c72da-4070-4355-aacb-cc58d9c1bc08/EHRCJS062022R08.pdf

                     Of course, you would likely disagree with that perception.

                     It does make for interesting reading though. The very valid concerns raised – are dismissed without addressing.
                   • Molly …

                     19 October 2022 at 11:58 am

                     Some good minutes from the private sessions of the Select Committee, including these two:

                     Bayswater parents support group from families of minors

                     Submission from a transsexual regarding impact of proposed changes
                   • SPC …

                     19 October 2022 at 12:24 pm

                     The report itself has the familiar signs of advocacy authorship and direction:

                     Of course, you would likely disagree with that perception.

                     Why, the mere fact that a bill was put up in the first place is indicative of intent.
           • Belladonna 7.1.1.2.1.2

             19 October 2022 at 9:13 am

             "Always look on the bright side of life"…..
8. joe90 8

   18 October 2022 at 8:14 pm

   How TF do you go from a tilt at a presidential nomination on issues that included health, big pharma and insurance sector reforms, justice, drug laws and the private prison industry reforms, financial reforms including holding big banks and their executives accountable, climate change and pollution to supporting fascist Republicans?

   Not hard I guess if you've always been an opportunist fraud.

   /

   https://twitter.com/EricCortellessa/status/1582178259693096961
   • Sabine 8.1

     19 October 2022 at 7:26 am

     She not for going to war with Russia and dropping pre-emptively some nukes.

     remainder: The us has a track record for dropping nukes and attacking foreign countries in which they have interests that they want to protect pre-emptively and i would like to point to success stories such as Iraq and Afghanistan.

     So she left the Democratic party last week, and laid out her reasoning quite eloquently. and is now an independent that can do and campaign for whomever she sees fit.

     But i guess, leaving the democratic party is now verboten?
     • Joe90 8.1.1

       19 October 2022 at 9:15 am

       Gabbard volunteered to join America's pre-emptive war to change Iraq's regime. She's also a bigoted, homophobic opportunist who supports Hinduvata's fascism and assorted murderous despots.

       http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1505/27/wolf.02.html
       • SPC 8.1.1.1

         19 October 2022 at 9:25 am

         REP. TULSI GABBARD, (D), HAWAII: Well, the first thing we need to be doing is make sure that the primary recipient of our support through arms, weapons, equipment, intelligence, training, needs to go to the Kurds and to the Sunni tribes. These are proven trusted partners that we have worked with in the past successfully to defeat al Qaeda. We need to work with them as our troops on the ground now in this fight against ISIS in Iraq. We need to step up our airstrike campaign and make sure we're dealing these decisive blows against ISIS in a very targeted way to stop the momentum they have been building. As they capture more territory and capture more ground, this just goes to add to their ability to recruit more fighters, to show that they're actually winning in this battle. We need to make sure that we put stop to that. And we need to make sure we stop of continuing this failed policy of supporting and propping up this central government in Baghdad, this fantasy, really, of a one unified country of Iraq and support this three-state solution of empowering the Sunni tribes, the Kurds and Shiites, each of them having three autonomous territories rather than continue what we've seen really has failed for so long

         It's just a statement of fact (as applied in 2015), though Iran supported Shia militias also played a part in the defeat of Islamic State.

         And on Iraq she was on point, that country was 3 provinces under the Ottomans for a reason.

         Today Iraq holds elections, but cannot form governments.
9. Poission 9

   18 October 2022 at 8:25 pm

   National party continues with Trussonomic liberterian bullshit.

   https://twitter.com/business/status/1582242339527221248?cxt=HHwWgIDTwcrBoPUrAAAA

   The dual mandate (like the fed) for monetary stability (inflation targeting) and employment ( credit lines availability to banks and non banking entities such as insurance and pension) ensure international flows of capital outside of the political sphere.This is an important part of the independence of institutions,outside of the risk of political corruption.

   The RBNZ did make a forced error (admitted) by delaying first,then halving the rate increase after the large inflation prints sept 2021 but was constrained by the AK covid spread.
10. joe90 10

    18 October 2022 at 8:41 pm

    Her name is Elnaz Rekabi. The mullahs and their thugs will punish her for competing at the Asian Climbing Competitions finals in Seoul without her head covered.

    https://twitter.com/IranWireEnglish/status/1582128573443608576
    • weston 10.1

      19 October 2022 at 12:22 am

      Unfortunately any effort to support these extremely brave women is gonna be undermined by the extremely stupid decision to put further sanctions on them imo but i guess you'll be in favour of that move joe ?
    • roblogic 10.2

      19 October 2022 at 12:24 am

      I hope she gets asylum in Korea instead of going back to the medieval mullah's paradise
11. weka 11

    18 October 2022 at 11:57 pm

    https://twitter.com/AnnaPartisanka/status/1581693306945212417
    • weston 11.1

      19 October 2022 at 12:54 am

      Why are you putting up stuff like this weka ? Not enough poison pens on twitter for you ?just asking
      • Shanreagh 11.1.1

        19 October 2022 at 9:18 am

        Weston: The tweets are a way of summarising what this nutter, Chantelle Baker, is all about.

        Not satisfied with being a crazy about vaccines, with the potential to put people in danger with the misguided views etc she now is putting the citizens of another country in actual danger from war.

        Whatever links Weka wants to use is fine by me. The ignorance is astounding and there is no excuse for putting others in danger no matter what your views.
        • weston 11.1.1.1

          19 October 2022 at 12:48 pm

          Shanreagh : I dont do either FB or twitter normally but in an effort to understand why Weka had put up the particular tweet i looked at the threads around it .Seems to me by the veiled and not so veiled threats conveyed by the commenters to the SBU looking into CB etc that you dont have to look very far underneath the pretty blue and yellow to find hate and malevolence towards anything obstructing the states narrative which is what i find disturbing .Better out than in ?maybe , or just another contributing factor on the proverbial ' slippery slope ' towards what someone else has called "a woke ww3 "
        • Shanreagh 11.1.1.2

          19 October 2022 at 6:31 pm

          Just to clarify this statement was about Chantelle Baker.

          The ignorance is astounding and there is no excuse for putting others in danger no matter what your views.
      • weka 11.1.2

        19 October 2022 at 10:09 am

        Weston, this is TS. People here are often rude, and this isn't a problem so long as it's not gratuitous, trolling, or presented without a political point/argument. If you read the thread, there are serious political issues presented. The presentation has style you might not like (fair enough), but the politics are there for those that want to see them.

        Also because this is TS, please address the politics rather than taking potshots at people.
12. Shanreagh 12

    19 October 2022 at 6:33 pm

    commenters to the SBU looking into CB

    I don't understand this. What is SBU?

    I still think that the link used by Weka is Ok to present a point of view.

    I view CB trip and postings from Ukraine with horror at the ignorance she espouses, going to a country, with little understanding of the issues and then spouting off to all and sundry.
    • weston 12.1

      19 October 2022 at 8:35 pm

      SBU is the equivalent to ukrainian secret police same ones that assassinated Daryia Dugina with a car bomb a month or so ago .Looking at the big picture the Baker chick is prob pretty small cheese .If she's as dumb as people say surely anything she ' exposes ' will evaporate in the collective mirth wont it ?

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