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Daily Review 27/06/2016

Written By: - Date published: 6:00 pm, June 27th, 2016 - 65 comments
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65 comments on “Daily Review 27/06/2016 ”

  1. Greg 1

    Well, if yah going to just go half way, like the guy in the pic above with a half shaved head, you mose as well go all the way.

    Otherwise yah just look silly.

  2. billmurray 2

    Well we can all criticise Winston Peters but he was the only one in NZ politics predicting and supporting Brexit .
    His appearance on the Paul Henry show this morning was a eye opener and in my opinion he is heading toward further polling strength. This could be at the expense of Labour as Andrew Little had to back down in his statement regarding tax expert Mr Shewan. Not good for Andrew or Labour.
    I pose the question should the LabGreen partnership accept Winston as Prime Minister if as expected Winston will hold the keys to the formation of a Government in 2017.
    I believe that will be his price to the LabGreen and NZ First coalition.
    I also believe that Little, Turei and Shaw will accept those terms from Winston, such is their desperation to be part of a NZ Government.
    National would not accept such a proposal from Winston though they would accept him high in their cabinet rankings.

    The question of Prime Ministership in 2017 needs to be asked and answered now, after the election is to late and would cause political turmoil if outcomes are not what the electors expect.
    An obsfucation answer to the question should not be tolerated.

    • Greg 2.1

      Shewans report is a complete parroting of John Key’s various claims and statements about the tax haven, opps Zero tax rated companies Key have made since the panama papers were released.
      Show me where he has said anything original.

  3. Anne 3

    I’m going to put NRT’s post here in it’s entirety:

    Damning inquiry points finger at the Government, State Services Commissioner, Stuff, June 23, 2016:
    The Government has rejected parts of a damning report into its handling of an inquiry into leaks from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade.

    Ombudsman Ron Paterson has told the Government it should compensate a former top diplomat whose career ended in tatters after he was targeted by the inquiry, which was instigated by the State Services Commission.

    He has also recommended a formal apology.

    […]

    In a statement, Rennie said he did not agree with all elements of the Ombudsman’s findings, in particular that in making findings relating to the investigation being outside its terms of reference.
    —————————————————————————————-
    Ombudsman resigns: Professor Ron Paterson steps down two years early, New Zealand Herald, 27 June 2016:
    One of the country’s two Ombudsmen has resigned and will leave the role two years before the end of his five-year term.

    Professor Ron Paterson will leave the role on Thursday. He was appointed an Ombudsman in June 2013 for a five-year period.

    […]

    The timing of this really doesn’t look good. The SSC report was apparently hotly contested, and Rennie effectively refusing to accept its “recommendations” may have been a final straw.

    Ron Paterson did not intend to see out his full term, but his decision to up-sticks forthwith is worthy of investigation. As NRT infers: something is definitely not right here.

    Anyone know what Murray McCully has been up to lately?

  4. Draco T Bastard 4

    The Brexit Vote: The Painful Price of Inequality

    So, who are the real idiots here?

    The real idiots are the lawmakers whose economic policies prepared the perfect conditions for the Brexit in the UK and the rise of Donald Trump in the US.

    The real idiots are the well-dressed, gently spoken, highly educated, mostly men, who plan perpetual wars around the world that lead to terrorism and refugee crisis.

    The real idiots are the politicians whose inability to act on climate change and the nuclear threat is pushing humanity to the precipice of extinction.

    And the even bigger idiots are those who advocate and believe in the American and British economic model claiming that it is the best of bad alternatives.

    Not so. The Nobel laureate economist, Joseph Stiglitz, believes tackling extreme inequality is an achievable goal.

    Probably the best breakdown of Brexit that I’ve read so far.

  5. Anne 5

    The truth about the British Labour leadership coup.

    Been planning it for months. A small bunch of Blairites who never accepted Corbyn and have been waiting for a chance to launch their coup. “Westminster Games”.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36632956

    Diane Abbott MP. Video now half way down article.

    Edit: new Shadow health secretary.

  6. Anne 6

    Saw this in the comment section of a Guardian article:

    This much is clear. The country is divided virtually down the middle. On the one side we have those who despise the political classes. On the other, those who absolutely hate them.

    Appeals to me anyway.

    • weka 6.1

      Ha ha nice one.

    • Very good thanks

    • RedLogix 6.3

      They even waited until Corbyn’s right hand man was out of town at Glastonbury.

      Now I have a difficult choice … can I both despise AND absolutely loath these despicable shitters?

      • Colonial Viper 6.3.1

        Hmmm typical centrists 😛

      • Peter Swift 6.3.2

        “They even waited until Corbyn’s right hand man was out of town at Glastonbury”

        And he’s just told him what everyone else in the plp knows.

        “Labour deputy leader ‘tells Jeremy Corbyn to quit.
        Tom Watson has told Jeremy Corbyn to resign. He told him he has “no authority with the PLP”.”

        lol

        • RedLogix 6.3.2.1

          This will be the absolute wreckage of the UKLP.

          The fury of the membership and unions will be unlimited. I suspect not a single one of these self-indulgent dorks will be remain in Labour in a year’s time. There’ll be a general crab-like scuttle off towards the rock called Liberal.

          These munters had a choice, they could have seen Corbyn as someone different and a challenge to politics as usual, some-one they needed to get in behind, serve protect and promote. They could have formed a team around him and looked after his back, but no. Their personal arrogance had to come first. They had to plot, scheme, and finesse the rule-book.

          And just when the Tories are on their knees they act to ensure the Tories will rise unscathed. In wartime you don’t fuck about with traitors, you just execute them out of hand.

          I mean the sainted Hilary Benn, has the unmitigated gall to insult his Party Leader in public, call ‘no-confidence’ … and then fail to resign on the spot !!!. What fucking planet did I wake up on today?

          • Peter Swift 6.3.2.1.1

            That’s one interpretation.
            Another is Corbyn was/is/and always will be electoral toast. Rolling him now, after his much discredited performance, could equally be the saving of and popular comeback of UK labour.

            I guess only time will tell.

            • RedLogix 6.3.2.1.1.1

              Oh come on, blaming Corbyn for the outcome of a referendum that was never of his own making is a feeble, cowardly fig-leaf.

              We have Diane Abbott’s plain commentary on the matter, this scum had been planning it for fucking months. Down to the very detail. Even their ‘resignation’ letters all look they came from the same PR firm.

              I just might have a smidgeon less contempt for them if they actually thought they might be stepping down; but in their minds this is nothing more than a game where they play ‘time-out’ for a few days, topple the Leader their Party voted for … and then waddle back into their comfortable troughs under a new Leader who’s neck deep in their debt.

              Speaking of which … they all whine that Corbyn is electoral toast, but exactly WHO among their number is not an electoral greasy smut on the ceiling?

              • weka

                What I want to know is if they will resign as MPs if Corbyn stays on as leader.

                • RedLogix

                  I don’t know if the rules permit it, but in the circumstances I’d argue he would certainly have moral mandate to ask for them to step down. And with a GE almost certain within six months, there would likely be no especial need to call by-elections.

                  • Bill

                    Looks to me like Peter Swift is using mis-quotes and lying.

                    “Deputy leader falls short of calling on Corbyn to resign as more frontbenchers quit in protest at his leadership of the party”

                    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/27/labour-resignations-continue-as-mps-try-to-force-out-jeremy-corbyn

                    • RedLogix

                      Back in 1981, in Hard Road to Renewal, Stuart Hall remarked: “The right of the labour movement, to be honest, has no ideas of any compelling quality, except the instinct for short-term political survival. It would not know an ideological struggle if it stumbled across one in the dark. The only ‘struggle’ it engages in with any trace of conviction is the one against the left.”

                    • Peter Swift

                      I wouldn’t have posted it if I hadn’t have seen it on the BBC website.

                      http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-36570120

                      You’ll have to scroll down to 21:33 for the ‘breaking’ news.
                      It does say at 22:08 that “the BBC’s political editor Laura Kuenssberg notes, Mr Watson didn’t explicitly tell Mr Corbyn he should resign and stressed that the final decision was a matter for him.”

                      But I didn’t see it and my post was before this, so no lie on my part.
                      I will accept your apology for casting aspersion. 😉

                    • Peter Swift

                      Don’t bother. I’m picking you don’t have it in you. lol
                      Though next time you call me for mis quoting and stating I’m a liar, I’d appreciate it if you were a little more researched and less half cocked as this time. Thanks.

          • mosa 6.3.2.1.2

            Lets face it some of these MPs in the UKLP cant decide on the colour of shite.
            All the Labour party members did in voting in huge numbers for Corbyn was reaffirm what they historically stood for and that was to represent working people and their aspirations for a better life and fairness at work with a livable wage and a belief in society and properly funded public services and keep the ever present dangerous capitalist establishment in check.

            Its been an ambush under the cloak of the BREXIT and these plotters cant accept that the british Labour voter wants something better than the Tories prescription or Tony Blairs New Labour that they rejected with Gordon Brown in 2010 and again with New Labour part two in 2015.
            These shadow ministers who have resigned were never prepared to accept Corbyn or any other left wing candidate for leader because they no longer support what their parties founding principles are about and are more relevant now , today than ever before and should think long and hard about what their members want rather than their own vile selfish agendas.
            Maybe they should split away and take their chances with a different party if they cant stomach the one they are in.
            In the mean time if they cant be loyal they should go to the back of the room and let the elected leadership get on with it and remind themselves unity is strength.
            And at the earliest opportunity , resign and test their position at a by election.

    • Pat 6.4

      and judging by their actions the political classes are themselves in those groupings

    • mosa 6.5

      Very well put and sums up the mood in the UK.

  7. vto 7

    Well you know what the Brits have done of course…. they have Voted Them Out

    Vote Them Out

    they did

    vto

    • Colonial Viper 7.1

      And I approve of all those English outside of London exercising that option.

      • weka 7.1.1

        40% of people inside London too.

      • Peter Swift 7.1.2

        “And I approve of all those English outside of London exercising that option.”

        Does that mean you disapprove of the scots, N.Ireland, and 13,266,996 voters in England?

    • Molly 8.1

      Bullies – when young – are often very oblivious to the hurt caused by their actions.

      A simple solution – and one that I used to use here at home – is to sit both children involved facing each other – knee to knee. Then as dispassionately as possible articulate what has gone on. The children are asked to look directly into each others faces, and at young ages – very few are able to mask the hurt and pain when they are revisiting what occurred. Most times the “bully” reacts immediately with guilt and empathy.

      No requirement for sermons or explanations from the parent.

      Not that all children are angels, but the very young are often very empathetic, and we teach them out of this by competitive structures in schooling, sports and in a million other ways.

  8. miravox 9

    15 EU laws the UK will miss

    Including a couple they can stop making fun of now, but also:
    – Free movement of labour … only possibly, despite this being a Leave policy
    – The right to be forgotten
    – Working time directive
    – Temporary Agency Workers Directive
    – Renewables Directive
    – EU Climate and Energy Package
    – Banking Regulations
    – Clean Water regulations

  9. Pat 10

    “In 1935, a young Laurie Lee set off to walk across Spain, from north to south. In the book the adventure would eventually lead to, As I Walked Out One Midsummer Morning, Lee describes a country riven by inequality, of communities in grinding poverty, and an out-of-touch ruling elite. The fascists and the communists both laid claim to the discontents, the rhetoric becoming increasingly polarised. The narrative resonated across the European continent. By the time Lee got to Malaga, in the summer of 1936, the Spanish civil war had begun.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/27/liverpool-london-brexit-leave-eu-referendum

    what next?

    • weka 10.1

      Thanks, that was a grim but important read.

      • RedLogix 10.1.1

        Now imagine the despairing fury of these people, betrayed by the Labour party and brutalised by an extreme right wing government in a few years time.

        • Wayne 10.1.1.1

          Define “extreme right wing”.

          • One Anonymous Bloke 10.1.1.1.1

            Families living in cars while government ministers lie and blame and build private prisons.

            • I Feel Love 10.1.1.1.1.1

              “Families living in cars while government ministers lie and blame and build private prisons.” – Burn!

          • left for dead 10.1.1.1.2

            Bit worried about your historical future Wayne, don’t worry, you seemed soft for that mob in the end, please let me down.

          • Grant 10.1.1.1.4

            Why don’t you go first, Wayne, and define ‘Hard Left’ which is your favourite put-down of your political opponents.

            • Wayne 10.1.1.1.4.1

              Although shortly stated, it was intended to be a serious question. Whilst there are pressing social problems to be solved, I don’t think the current govt fits the usual definition of extreme right wing. Centre right, or depending ones perspective right. Not when we have a minimum wage of $15, and an increase in general benefit levels, both of which occurred under the current govt. In my view etreme right wing would need to be more like say the Republicans in the US, or perhaps ACT in NZ.
              As for the definition of Hard left, I would say the Corbynista left of UK Labour fits well enough. That would include some on the left of Labour in NZ and the left of the Greens (and quite a few commenters on this site). It would not include Andrew Little or James Shaw. Not sure where I would put the most left of the Labours MP’s (for instance Carmel Sepuloni) I am not sure that she would be far left enough to meet the my definition of hard left. Choosing people as illustrations helps. This not intended to be personal, it is just that it easier than a formal description of political philosophy. Lilia Harre would do so. As much as anything for her role in the destruction of the Alliance. Breaking it up on the basis of Afghanistan following 9/11 seemed reckless, even though I was looking at it from the perspective of the Opposition. Similarly her involvement with Kim Dotcom. We are all assessed on our political judgements and others will make of them what they will.
              My old school fellow pupil, Len Richards, would also qualify, he was two years ahead of me. I have not heard much of him in the news these days, so he might be retired.

              • One Anonymous Bloke

                $15 must be enough, because a living wage is ~$20.

                I wonder if you even understand the contempt you’ve earned.

                • Wayne

                  I am certainly aware of some pretty personal attacks on this site, which means it is risky for me to comment.
                  Most people on the right would regard me as a moderate liberal, but in recent times this site (or at least some of the commenters) has become much less forgiving of hearing an alternate view, at least if put by me.

                  • Stuart Munro

                    The right has enjoyed political dominance without a public mandate for much too long. So now its organs are reviled and dare not show their faces to the people they have misled and betrayed. Why are you surprised?

                  • One Anonymous Bloke

                    You toss around labels like confetti. Can’t take the heat from your employers? Your predetermined opinions and association with the National Party constitute a conflict of interest.

                    I note your abject failure to address the points raised: families living in cars while your corrupt crony sponsors lie and blame and increase the prison population, then you have the insufferable gall to pretend that $15 p/h is a good earn.

                    Go on, pretend criticism of your opinions and behaviour is a personal attack. That’ll work 🙄

                  • Pat

                    “but in recent times this site (or at least some of the commenters) has become much less forgiving of hearing an alternate view, at least if put by me.”

                    symptomatic of the type of feelings expressed in the US and UK……feelings that apparently have no basis in NZ?

                  • lprent

                    I am certainly aware of some pretty personal attacks on this site, which means it is risky for me to comment.

                    For better or worse, the policy doesn’t allow interventions for personal attacks unless they get pretty extreme or stray from the post and/or discussion.

                    The reason why the policy has those limits is because the site was founded to provide robust public debate. That means that we can have people on here doing the usual right wing unthinking slagging of the poor, and the equivalent left wing demonisation of the capitalists. The reason that we want this is because it means that the public debate that is essential for the development of good supported public policy is able to happen, and that the choke points of debate aren’t left in the hands of mindless demagogues like Mike Hoskings or Nigel Farange. Personally I consider that those kinds of narcissistic and probably psychotic personalities simply aren’t that reliable at leading rational debates.

                    But to be able to express an opinion on people like that, you have to allow all people seeking a public profile to similarly be analysed. People carry their history with them when they claim it as you have done, and they will be attacked on it – mainly limited by legal limits, not screwing up the debate here with too many side issues, and a modicum of good taste.

                    And it isn’t exclusive. It operates in exactly the same way for anyone on the left as well. Even with my very limited public profile, that has been extensively attacked in various media. More recently it has been personally and expensively attacked in the courts by a illiterate legal idiot in a private prosecution. It appears that he failed to read the first paragraph of the about on this site. It is simply part of the cost of being involved in having a public life.

                    Most people on the right would regard me as a moderate liberal…

                    I suspect that in many policy areas you’d be well to the ‘left’ of me.

                    …but in recent times this site (or at least some of the commenters) has become much less forgiving of hearing an alternate view, at least if put by me.

                    This isn’t abnormal and is a whole lot less here than in many forums. But have you ever seen what happens if I make a comment on kiwiblog? Even one supporting something said by David Farrar? The second reason (after a simple lack of time) that I don’t comment there very often is that I have an aversion to derailing comment streams by simply being present. Comment streams there tend to immediately divert into “I hate lprent” whenever I make a comment regardless on what the comment is about or what its content is. It is a whole lot more extreme than anything that is allowed to happen on this site.

                    If you do spot anything that walks too far over the edge in comments, then just highlight it in a comment or in email

                  • Grant

                    Wayne. Here is a quote of something you once said on Bowalley Road.

                    “On that basis, I would say there is a reliable 25% of the voting population who are essentially left (hard left as I am wont to say) as opposed to centre-left. ”

                    If it is true that, in your terms, anyone who is a traditional Social Democrat is Hard Left, then it must also be true that a similar percentage on the Right can be designated in the same fashion.

                    Based on the high tide marks achieved by ACT and various conservative / Christian parties, and the fact that most of the people who have in the past voted for those Parties have certainly defaulted to currently voting National as their only viable option, it must also be true to say that nearly half of National’s voter base are, in your terms “Hard Right”??

  10. mikesh 11

    There seems to have been uncertain result in the Spanish elections. The conservative Peoples Party have 137 seats out of 350; the Socialists 85; Unidos Podemos 71; and other conservative party 32. Coalition possibilities are uncertain. UP did not do as well as many were hoping apparently.

  11. fisiani 12

    Corbyn and his rump of ragtag Commies will lead UK Labour to the greatest defeat in history. Foretaste of what is to come here.

    • Stuart Munro 12.1

      Meh – England is a sideshow now. The schwerpunkt will be in Europe.

    • Gangnam Style 12.2

      Then why do you care Tory? You should stay quiet & then laugh with glee if what you say turns out correct & use your crystal ball to predict winning Lotto numbers genius.

  12. Pasupial 14

    Lprent

    I’m getting redflags (in firefox top tab – instead of the clicked page loading) most of the time when I try to access or refresh OM (more than usual). The other posts are mostly ok, but some of the older ones have been giving me the same problem. Thought I’d mention it here, as this post loads and won’t be too distracting to the above discussion.

    Is this just me, or have others been having this problem too?

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