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Daily review 28/11/2022

Written By: - Date published: 5:30 pm, November 28th, 2022 - 16 comments
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    • Sabine 1.1

      or self identify as a man and demand the same wages….yeah, nah, that would not work too.

      Maybe the thing to do is to set wages based on the demands on the job rather then the gender identity of people.

  2. joe90 2

    Someone really doesn’t want these people to vote.

  3. Nic the NZer 3

    Good summary about how policy economics understands the economy, including adjusting interest rates in relation to inflation (and the many weaknesses of this understanding).


  4. Anne 4

    Wayne Brown is an ignorant red neck creep:


    As someone who was involved in that tragedy and bore the abuse and stigma that went with anyone who dared question the [subsequently proven] lies and deceit from the PM of the day and the Air NZ chiefs, I find his lack of decency and compassion for those who lost loved ones in such terrible circumstances beyond disgusting.

    • Jenny are we there yet 4.1

      "Wayne Brown is an ignorant red neck creep" Anne

      Anne, with respect your personal ad hominem attack on the Mayor is uncalled for.

      On this issue I believe the Mayor has struck the right note.
      The Parnell Rose Garden has no link to this awful tragedy.
      The proper place for reflection of the enormity of this disaster must be sited near Auckland International Airport
      This is the most obvious site for this somber memorial to do justice to those whose lives were needlessly lost. It was the last place that these souls left this earth. There are acres of open ground near the airport where this memorial could be sited where friends and family could reflect overlooking their loved ones last point of departure.

      Respected Ngāti Whātua elder Dame Naida Gladish has said the placement of the memorial to the Erebus dead at a place Ngāti Whātua know as one of their traditional Pā, and call Mataharehare is inappropriate and disrespectful to the Tangata Whenua.

      A site with more relevance to this disaster would be somewhere near Auckland International Airport.

      There has been vicious opposition to placement of this memorial anywhere near the airport. Air New Zealand don't want any sober reminder of their mistakes that led to this disaster and their following cover up amounting to in the words Justice Mahon, "An orchestrated litany of lies". Which had laid all blame for the disaster on the air crew.
      Justice demands this is where this memorial must go.


      • Anne 4.1.1

        You have been fed lies

        I don't give a damn who Dame Naida Gladish is. The row was over a Pohutukawa Tree. Dame Naida and her supporters claim the tree will be adversely affected by the memorial. The country's top arborists effectively have said that is a load of rubbish. I would believe the arborists over Gladish any day.

        I think it is nice that a beautiful old Pohutukawa tree should stand guard over a memorial to the worst plane tragedy in NZ's history – a memorial which takes up only 1% of the park and has lovely clean, simple lines. Of course an ignoramus like Wayne Brown would not appreciate its features.

        The families who lost loved ones have overwhelmingly approved of this site above all the other locations offered to them. It is central and easy to access for all citizens who want to pay their respects to the victims of the tragedy. The choice was entirely theirs to make – not Dame Naida Gladish or a bunch of selfish, self centred local protestors who are twisting and turning the facts like snakes in the grass.

        And btw, I will be as "ad hominem" as I like over anyone who deserves it.angry

        • Jenny are we there yet


          "You have been fed lies" Anne

          You accuse me of being fed lies?

          Anne, if you could be so kind please tell me; Where, in what I have written, are the lies I have been fed?

          • Anne

            I have a lot of knowledge relating to the Erebus Affair. Some of it is not in the public domain. And no, I am not going to reveal it here.

        • Belladonna

          It's very clear that there are wide differences between the victims' families over both the location and design of this memorial.


          And, if you don't know (or care) who Dame Naida Glavish is (typo corrected), more shame on you.


          • Anne

            Yes, I know who Naida 'Glavish' is (I followed Jenny's spelling) but she is not necessarily right just because of who she is.

            Your article was back in June 2021 – 18 months ago. A fair bit of water under the bridge since then – or so I understand.

            • Belladonna

              Well, perhaps you could link to some more recent information which supports your argument

              "The families who lost loved ones have overwhelmingly approved of this site above all the other locations offered to them."

            • Shanreagh

              Clearly the wishes of those who lost family, friends etc should have precedence over interested/disinterested/uninvolved bystanders. I think the rest of us, including Dame Naida Glavish have opinions and we are entitled to them

              We usually have monuments to people lost in 'public' type tragedies out in the open & easily accessible. Out at the airport near semi industrial land and easily overlooked is not a suitable place. The whole point is about the memorials being in existing places is that people visit often…

              Hopefully those actually involved with the memorial & I don't count ‘Wayne Trump’ in with this, can meet and talk through the Maori concerns and find a path through.

              • Jenny are we there yet

                "…..Out at the airport near semi industrial land and easily overlooked is not a suitable place. The whole point is about the memorials being in existing places is that people visit often…" Shanreagh

                I agree, This monument should be in an existing place where people visit often.

                I had been thinking of somewhere in sight of the airport on Puninui Rd. Adjacent to the existing Scenic Lookout. There's lots of spare land there.

                Even the existing design would be fitting, designed as it is go out over a cliff. Because there is a cliff near the Scenic Look Out, overlooking the Puhinui inlet. See the map.


                Google maps tells me that this is a very heavy trafficed area on one of the busiest roads in Auckland.

                I also know that the Auckland airport is one of the biggest employers in the Auckland region.

                And even though I don't fly myself (for climate change reasons), I am called to visit the airport a few times a year, to greet visitors and relatives arriving and departing. I am also sometimes called to the airport environs for business reasons.

                I don't think I am unusual in this.

                I know that if this memorial was sited there I would stop to reflect on the tragedy and trace the names.

                Mataharehare? As beautiful as it is, I hardly ever go there. Compared to the ariport it is way way out of my way. The only time I have ever been there in the last few decades was to meet representatives of the locals and Ngati Whatua opposed to this monument being sited there.

  5. In Vino 5

    I agree with those who argue that the memorial should be facing South, to the Southern Cross in the night sky. Facing towards Rangitoto? Silly.

  6. Anne 6

    I've only got back to TS today.

    Pity some of you don't sort the facts from the oft reported fiction. Easy enough to find. Here's a start:


    A few links. Nice and simple:

    Ngāti Whātua Ōrākei have provided valuable input and expressed support for the memorial throughout the planning process. Find out more about support from the hapū. Auckland Council is a key partner in the project.

    Some people still have questions and concerns about the memorial, and we are aware of inaccurate information circulating in the community.

    Family support
    Over the past three years, the vast majority of feedback Manatū Taonga has received from Erebus families has been emphatically in support of the project. We are in regular contact with almost 300 family members, representing at least 144 families.

    The memorial site
    The memorial will be located within Auckland’s Dove-Myer Robinson Park, overlooking Taurarua Judges Bay and the Waitematā Harbour.

    Several options were considered before this site was identified as the most suitable location. Its central, accessible, park-like features reflect the preference of the Erebus families for a setting of that nature.

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