Daily review 30/08/2019

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  1. is it controversial to note that trump has invaded no other country – yet..

    whereas by this stage in his presidency obama was full tilt into turning the most progressive country in the arab world – libya – into a fundamentalist hellhole..

    not to mention all the libyan men/women/children he killed..

    i repeat – so far trump has killed nobody/bombed nobody..

      • phillip ure 1.1.1

        the point is that trump has not invaded anyone..(syria is a proxy-war..)

        yet obama – viewed by so many as some sort of saint – is a fucken war-criminal…

        • Psycho Milt 1.1.1.1

          the point is that trump has not invaded anyone..

          As rhetorical sleight-of-hand goes, that's a pathetic effort.  Obama didn't invade Libya (or anywhere else, from memory).  Certainly dropped bombs on people, although not "the mother of all bombs" like Trump did, as pointed out above.  This peddling of Trump as some kind of pacifist is just obnoxious.  

          • phillip ure 1.1.1.1.1

            'Obama didn't invade Libya'..(!)

            heh..!..w.t.f. are you smoking..?

            can i have the number of yr dealer..?

          • phillip ure 1.1.1.1.2

            i am not peddling that orange p.o.s. trump as a pacifist – i am shining a light on obama – as an unindicted war-criminal..

            and going: 'ironic – eh..?'…

            • phillip ure 1.1.1.1.2.1

              and tho' the orange ball of pus is not (yet) a war-criminal…

              he sure as hell is indicted…

              i was reminded the other day that new york state has sealed grand jury indictments for trump..

              on ricoh charges (which is racketeering – which is trump as gangster..which is big sentences..)

              i understand they are to do with his laundering of russian mob money – using real estate – since the 1990's..

              i think donnie's going down..

              how sweet that will be..

              and funny story..!

              trump had russian mobsters scattered thruout trump tower..
              (his in-house coke dealer lived on the 24th floor..)

              and helen clark used to live in the trump tower..

              it’s a small world – isn’t it..?

               

    • WeTheBleeple 1.2

      Did Trump tell you that?

    • Andre 1.3

      … most progressive country in the arab world – libya …

      I s'pose you could somehow define progressive in a way that made that true, but it would still be an extremely low bar.

      If you value the idea of a people's right to self-determination, then the way that a people's uprising was well underway to rid themselves of that POS Gaddafi long before the UN, european forces and then the US got involved should give you a clue that the simple "Obama blew Libyans up" picture you've tried to paint is a smear.

      But if you're of a mindset to go all gooey-eyed over nasty authoritarian dictators, then I wouldn't expect you to understand why people oppressed by them aren't quite so enthusiastic.

      • phillip ure 1.3.1

        the citizens of libya had free education to post-graduate level

        free healthcare for all..

        women free to work etc..total equality in education..

        subsidised housing..

        free state-provided childcare..

        when a couple married – they received u.s. fifty thousand dollars from the govt – to help them get started in life..

        obama turned all of this into a fundamentalist hellhole..

        • Psycho Milt 1.3.1.1

          Funny how the wonderful progressive lifestyle that Gaddafi enforced in Libya led to a mass uprising, huh?  Some people just got no gratitude.

          • phillip ure 1.3.1.1.1

            drank and swallowed the kool-ade….didya..?

            that 'mass-uprising' was the army of mercenaries funded/set up by cia..

            you really believed all their war-propaganda/bullshit..at the time – did you..?

            i didn't…

            • Andre 1.3.1.1.1.1

              You ever visit Libya during the Gaddafi years? Or Syria during Bashar's reign? If you had, you might have some understanding of why the natives were restless.

              • and you clearly believed all the pre-invasion bullshit you were fed..eh..?

                are you saying those rights i cited citizens as having were not happening..?

                • Andre

                  I have direct personal experience of Syria under Bashar, and have had conversations with people I trust that visited Libya during the noughties.

                  I fully understand why people of those nations wanted to rid themselves of those dictators, and believe a people's right to self-determination means they deserved support. That their efforts to free themselves devolved into a horrible free-for-all with all kinds of vicious opportunists making a bad situation worse doesn't change what the starting situations were.

                  All the gifts in the world don't make up for them being delivered by a nasty authoritarian dictator that brutally crushes dissent.

                  • a potted history lesson for ya..

                    gaddaffi was overthrown because he was financing/setting up a new pan-arab/pan-african banking system/hub..

                    aimed at snaring all the bucks going to the u.s./european banksters..

                    and they were having none of that..

                    as always..follow the money..

                    and of course – they got to carve up all those luverly libyan oilfields..

                    y'know..!..what gaddaffi used to give his citizens so much – in a material sense..

                    • Sacha

                      A potty history lesson, prehaps. Did you even read what Andre said?

                    • @ sacha..

                      yeah..that was all the pre-invasion black-propaganda..

                      he was clearly an enthusiastic customer/consumer at the time..

                      i wasn't…

                      i  think i was maybe paying a bit more attention..

                      with bullshit-detectors on full-alert..

                      and – did you even read what i said..?

                    • Sacha

                      "I have direct personal experience"

                    • of syria….yes..?..

                      i have direct experience of nz..

                      that is as bloody relevant..

                    • Andre

                      Since the obvious relevance escapes you, I'll spell it out:

                      The same collection of fuckwits that tell us how wonderful Gaddafi was also tell us how wonderful Assad is, and spin the same stories about how the CIA stirred up unrest out of nothing in those countries.

                      I know from direct personal experience of Syria that's not accurate, that people in Syria had very good reason to take up arms to rid themselves of Assad. I have had direct reports, from sources known to me to be reliable, that the same was true in Libya.

                      Therefore, from sources independent of competing media voices, I can reliably conclude that those spinning stories like you're doing here have fully bought into one side's propaganda and are completely unable to see aspects of the situation that don't align with a predetermined worldview..

                    • i have experience in nz – shall i tell you all about australia..?

                      (and from what i can garner about assad – he is a total p.o.s..)

                      you are talking apples and oranges..

                      and thus making no sense at all..

                      libya and syria both have short names that end in ‘a’..

                      that is about the only valid comparison of the two…

                       

                  • Brigid

                    "I have direct personal experience of Syria under Bashar"

                    Could you be more specific? Where were you living, why were you there – work or holiday? What event that involved you personally, caused you to form your opinion of the Syrian government?

        • Andre 1.3.1.2

          UN Security Council Resolution 1973 was passed in March 17 2011 authorising member nations to use necessary force to protect civilians. The vote was 10 – 0, with 5 abstentions. NATO got militarily involved 19 March.

          But Obama is the only one responsible?

          https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-12782972

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya#2011_Civil_War

        • mauī 1.3.1.3

          Correct yet again Phil, thank you. The neoliberals don't like you telling it like it is….

    • Stuart Munro. 1.4

      It's true that Trump doesn't invade (except Somalia, which apparently doesn't count) but the most liberal Arab nation was surely Tunisia, which started the whole Arab spring thing without external prompting.

    • Macro 1.5

      Good God!

      🙄

      In the meantime: "Defying Congress, Trump sets $8 billion-plus in weapons sales to Saudi Arabia, UAE"

      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-arms/defying-congress-trump-sets-8-billion-plus-in-weapons-sales-to-saudi-arabia-uae-idUSKCN1SU25R

      He may not be sending troops – just helping his buddies cash in on killing a few million people in Yemen.

      • phillip ure 1.5.1

        obama also sold bulk arms to despots..

        yr point..?

        • Cinny 1.5.1.1

          So what philip, it still doesn't make it right.

          What is your point philip?

           

          • phillip ure 1.5.1.1.1

            have you read the thread – ?

            i am unable to make sense of yr question..

            feel free to try again..

            but my overall ‘point’..

            is that obama – viewed as a saint by so many – is a war-criminal..

            and what he did to libys – underlines that..

            • Cinny 1.5.1.1.1.1

              If you have a close look at the number sequence above…..

              Macro commented @ 1.5

              You replied to Marco's comment @ 1.5.1

              I replied to your reply to Macro's comment @ 1.5.1.1.1

              And it appears that your overall point is to point the finger at what happened in the past, which can’t be changed.  Rather than what is happening now and in the possible future, which can be changed.

              Should you be confused again about one of my comments, please let me know, I’m very helpful and happy to explain when required.

  2. stunned mullet 2

    A measles outbreak in NZ in 2019…

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12263572

    Please please please vaccinate.

    • Dukeofurl 2.1

      Yes, its always great advice.

      Of course , catching measles will  then give give you immunity. So eventually if nothing is done, after 5,000, 25,000  or what ever the number is, people have had measles the epidemic will abate.

      • Drowsy M. Kram 2.1.1

        And if, in this latest outbreak, only 25,000 NZers become infected with the measles virus, it's unlikely that the death toll would exceed 25; ~5 deaths much more likely.

        • gsays 2.1.1.1

          I thought the death rate was 1 in 10,000, therefore in 25,000 folk that would be 2.5 deaths.

          • weka 2.1.1.1.1

            Google is saying 1 in 1,000. Which seems high.

          • Drowsy M. Kram 2.1.1.1.2

            The annual death rate from measles in developed countries jumps around fair bit now that the incidence of infection is so low, due to vaccination programmes.

            I did a little research in response to a suggestion from Rosemary McDonald – seems like 1 death in 5000 cases is about right, although it was 1 in 1000 during NZ's last measles epidemic (7 deaths from 7000 cases, in 1991), and was almost 1 in 800 in the UK in 1999 (3 deaths from 2438 cases).

            There have been no deaths attributed to measles in NZ since the 1991 epidemic – long may that continue.

            Measles was declared eradicated from NZ in 2012 – given the number of cases so far this year, it’s probably back 🙁

            http://www.thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-10-08-2019/#comment-1645175

            • Dukeofurl 2.1.1.1.2.1

              Its an eye opener to what it could be like if another deadly flu epidemic strikes- hundreds of   serious cases and a far higher death rate.

              However I believe the deaths from flu every year is far higher  , but because more catch flu the  death rate  is lower.

  3. Fireblade 3

    Simon and Gerry have departed for India and China.

    In India they will be accompanied by MP Kanwaljit Singh Bakshi. In China they will be with MP Jian Yang.

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1908/S00288/bridges-and-brownlee-to-visit-india-and-china.htm

    Donations are welcome and appreciated. Shell companies and multiple cheques can be arranged. List MP nominations will be considered ($).

  4. Agora 4

    "Why comparisons between Boris Johnson and Charles 1 are not empty rhetoric"

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/29/boris-johnson-charles-i-king

  5. Exkiwiforces 5

    Forgot to mention this today, 20yrs ago today the people of Timor-Leste voted for its independence from Indonesia, in which the people of Timor-Leste voted yes for independence. But it took the pollies and the UN to get their act together for another 19 days in which give the TNI and it’s militia forces another 19days of killing, rape etc and, adopt a scorch earth policy that would’ve made Herr Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot smile with envy before the first of the INTERFET Troops arrived sometime of the early hrs of the 19th of September.

    I arrived in Timor-Leste in the early hrs of the 20 Sept with No2 Airfield Defence SQN of the RAAF, where I had just joined the SQN some 2wks prior after graduating from ADG basic cse which was 3 and a bit mths of hell, but it never really prepared me for what I was about to encounter.

    If you think War is hell and waste time and money? Then Peacekeeping is at whole different level/ ball game and far worse than War (done to 2 tours to the Greater Middle East Region).

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Force_East_Timor

     

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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    1 week ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
    Hi there, just call me Tim.We face tough problems, and I’d like to help, because there are solutions.An Auckand District Health Board member has nominated me for as a candidate for the ADHB, because her MS-related pain and fatigue is reduced with hemp products from Rotorua.  Nothing else helped her. If I ...
    1 week ago
  • Good little vassals
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
    1 week ago
  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
    1 week ago
  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s failure
    When National was in government and fucking over the poor for the benefit of the rich, foodbanks were a growth industry. And now Labour is in charge, nothing has changed: A huge demand for emergency food parcels means the Auckland City Mission is struggling to prepare for the impending arrival ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Democracy – I Don’t Think So
    So, those who “know best” have again done their worst. While constantly claiming to be the guardians of democracy and the constitution, and respecters of the 2016 referendum result, diehard Remainers (who have never brought themselves to believe that their advice could have been rejected) have striven might and main ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Government says it will now build just one really nice home
    Following publication of this article, the Ministry has requested it to be noted that this supplied image is not necessarily representative of what the final house will look like, and it “probably won’t be that nice.” As part of today’s long-anticipated reset of the Government’s flagship KiwiBuild policy, Housing Minister ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Imperialism and your cup of coffee
    Over the next week or two we will be running three synopses of parts of the opening chapter of John Smith’s Imperialism in the 21st Century (New York, Monthly Review Press, 2016).  The synopsis and commentary below is written by Phil Duncan. Marx began Capital not with a sweeping historical ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Still juking the stats
    The State Services Commission and Ombudsman have released another batch of OIA statistics, covering the last six months. Request volumes are up, and the core public service is generally handling them within the legal timeframe, though this may be because they've learned to extend rather than just ignore things. And ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Hard News: Time for a New Deal: 25 years on
    In 1994, I was editing an ambitious street mag called Planet, from a fabled office at at 309 Karangahape Road. The thirteenth issue of the magazine was published in the winter of that year and its cover embodied a particularly ambitious goal: the end of cannabis prohibition.I wanted to do ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Not impressed
    KiwiBuild was one of the Ardern government's core policies. The government would end the housing crisis and make housing affordable again by building 100,000 new homes. Of course, it didn't work out like that: targets weren't met, the houses they did build were in the wrong place, and the whole ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Solar beats coal
    As the climate crisis escalates, it is now obvious that we need to radically decarbonise our economy. The good news is that its looking easy and profitable for the energy sector. Wind is already cheaper than fossil fuels, and now solar is too:The levellised cost of solar PV has fallen ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

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