De Boni on privatising mental health

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1. Draco T Bastard 1

   5 June 2015 at 12:28 pm

   It starts with the underfunding of existing services, which leads to the perception the Government is “incapable” of running said service, leaving the way clear for private operators to swoop in and extract profits.

   This.

   This is exactly what our governments have been doing for the last three decades. Cut taxes on the rich, tell us that we can’t afford the government services that we once had, cut them and then bring in the profiteers at an even higher price to provide the service we once provided via government at cost.

   Time to put the taxes back on the rich and rebuild our government services.
   • Kevin 1.1

     5 June 2015 at 12:51 pm

     Time to trot it out again:

     http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0508/S00023.htm

     All part of the right wing playbook.
     • Chooky 1.1.1

       6 June 2015 at 11:42 am

       It is amazing that these right wingers call themselves Christian and come from Christian families

       …they and their ‘privileged’ families who have gorged , bloated and self- congratulated themselves on the New Zealand taxpayers assets ( free high quality education, university education, state housing, social welfare …) built up over generations by hard working modest New Zealanders should hang their heads in shame

       they are thieves and have the morality of thieves…they should be exposed as thieves
       • Chooky 1.1.1.1

         6 June 2015 at 11:47 am

         they are thieves with smiling faces
2. weka 2

   5 June 2015 at 12:28 pm

   That’s an impressive number of people that have signed Labour’s letter.

   Action Station have a campaign running too,

   http://www.actionstation.org.nz/mentalhealth
   • Sans Cle 2.1

     5 June 2015 at 6:46 pm

     What’s the protocol on signing concurrent petitions? Choose 1 or sign both?
     • One Anonymous Bloke 2.1.1

       5 June 2015 at 6:51 pm

       Neither.

       Form a personal relationship with your local National Party representative, gather evidence of their behaviour, and act accordingly. Cajole them, expose their ignorance, humiliate them (gently) in public. Get them to take you to Cabinet Club and carry a personal recording device.

       After all, they get their facts from the Bellman. How hard can it be?
     • weka 2.1.2

       5 June 2015 at 7:03 pm

       Sign both Sans.
3. SMILIN 3

   5 June 2015 at 12:48 pm

   So be it the face of modern day FASCISM SS
   • One Anonymous Bloke 3.1

     5 June 2015 at 6:55 pm

     They’re very stupid. Use it against them. After all, dihydrogen monoxide 🙂
4. Charles 4

   5 June 2015 at 1:14 pm

   Come on readers, don’t be shy, sign both petitions. The SIS/GCSB/FVEY already know you’re reading The Standard so there’s nothing to lose! Make an easy gesture to save someone from a hellish existence.
5. SMILIN 5

   5 June 2015 at 1:28 pm

   For the mentally ill and disabled
   To John Key
   If you see me out on my feet dont walk on by
   Its just a momentary lapse of reason that makes me stand here and sigh
   Like all the mentally ill and disabled we all just want to breakdown and cry
   At the loss of our services and support we all just feel like we want die
   And the lack of compassion and understanding of what we fear and hurt deep down side
   Dont walk on by dont walk on by e i dont walk on by e i dont walk on by e i e i e i

   I just came right you prick
6. One Anonymous Bloke 6

   5 June 2015 at 1:48 pm

   The donotlink version of the 3News link.
7. Barbara 7

   5 June 2015 at 2:44 pm

   What fascinates me in an horrific way and wonder if anybody else has thought about it is that Bill English is a devout Roman Catholic who presumably goes to mass each week with his family – there he has learnt all about the ten commmandments which apply to any citizen in NZ – basic human rights and consideration to one another. He must know off rote “to do unto others as you would want them to do unto you”. The man is a hypocrite through and through and being devout will believe completely in hell and damnation like any other devout Catholic so I hope he is getting in plenty of preparation for the hell he is destined to go to or doing plenty of Hail Marys in the hope he can avoid the heat. How he can even consider treating mentally unwell people as a commodity beggars belief. Pope Francis would be horrified at what is happening. Way to go Bill, with global warming heating up you had betta get used to it.

   And Dr Jonathan Coleman is a doctor for God’s sake – but that’s another example of the Gov. being filled with hypocrites. I can’t imagine what his bed side manner was like when he was practising.
   • Tracey 7.1

     5 June 2015 at 6:20 pm

     it makes me shake my head.

     if all that stood between helping the mentally ill get into jobs and not is a private investor i will go hee.

     the ideas will still have to come from the field. an over worked. underpaid and undervalued sector
   • Ergo Robertina 7.2

     6 June 2015 at 3:35 pm

     The Catholic Church is not exactly known for care and protection of the vulnerable, thus a cavalier attitude to mental health service provision in some of its adherents is hardly surprising.
     • Mike the Savage One 7.2.1

       6 June 2015 at 6:18 pm

       TBH this is not just something Catholics may be found guilty of, I mean hypocrisy, you can see the same with a fair few Baptists, Mormons, and whatever other Christian or other denomination.

       When the dollar bill calls, too many forget all principles, especially if it is offering income and profit, no further questions asked.

       Some think they can reconcile this with their religion or belief, and simply go to Church or whatever place of worship on the weekend, and simply ask for forgiveness after “repenting”. Come the following Monday, they are back to serve Mammon.
8. Sable 8

   5 June 2015 at 3:35 pm

   Still quoting the rights best MSM buddy the Herald. Oh well…..
9. Drowsy M. Kram 9

   5 June 2015 at 10:53 pm

   Those with more money than they know what to do with have a stranglehold on NZ society. That domination has been fuelled by growing corruption and a crippling poverty of spirit that has given rise to increasingly repugnant Government policies, e.g. facilitating profiteering from treatment of the mentally ill.

   “It’s all about the money” is a powerful social engineering strategy, and many New Zealanders have bought into the fallacy that becoming a multimillionaire will solve their problems. But the (American) dream that all it takes to make the ‘rich list’ is ‘effort and hard work’ is delusional. Even extreme effort and crippling hard work can’t generate the (very approximately) 100 trillion dollars required for every NZ family to enjoy an asset base and security similar to the Key household. Not in a hundred years!

   NAct’s puppet masters aren’t incompetent; they’re making a killing while crafting the most unequal NZ ever. In $$$ we trust?
   • Chooky 9.1

     6 June 2015 at 11:31 am

     +100…they are gobsmackingly immoral
10. gnomic 10

    6 June 2015 at 1:26 am

    Surely amongst the most blatant bullshit in the history of the universe. Even the shills at the NZ Initiative (aka the Business Roundtable) must have trouble getting this junk down. Social Impact Bonds my fundament. And a very sneaky introduction to boot. Perhaps someone can provide a link to evidence this could possibly have a positive outcome aside from enriching private investors?
    • Chooky 10.1

      6 June 2015 at 11:32 am

      +100
11. Mike the Savage One 11

    6 June 2015 at 5:59 pm

    At last some in the mainstream media are taking note and are having a closer look at what this government is up to. But they have already been experimenting with outsourced providers for some time, but nobody seemed to take much interest, until this bizarre “social bonds” policy was mentioned before and in the Budget announcement.

    https://nzsocialjusticeblog2013.wordpress.com/2015/04/10/mental-health-and-sole-parent-employment-services-msd-withholds-o-i-a-information-that-may-prove-their-trials-a-failure/

    It was all kicked off in the UK many years ago, and such Professors like Mansel Aylward have something to feel responsible for:

    http://nzsocialjusticeblog2013.wordpress.com/2013/09/02/medical-and-work-capability-assessments-based-on-the-controversial-bio-psycho-social-model/

    In the UK there are now serious doubts about the approach they have taken, which admittedly went further than what MSD have so far tried here:

    https://nzsocialjusticeblog2013.wordpress.com/2015/01/23/the-discredited-indefensible-work-capability-assessment-wca-in-the-uk-and-what-its-demise-must-mean-for-nz-welfare-reforms-part-1/

    https://nzsocialjusticeblog2013.wordpress.com/2015/01/28/the-discredited-indefensible-work-capability-assessment-wca-in-the-uk-and-what-its-demise-must-mean-for-nz-welfare-reforms-part-2/

    I encourage the media and opposition dig further into all this, and ask more questions, as it has all been based on questionable “evidence” in the first place.
12. Gordon Reynolds 12

    7 June 2015 at 3:35 pm

    Once again a government has declared that its employees cannot provide a service equal to the private sector.
    Perhaps the government should simply try setting performance standard and auditing them regularly as they will be required to do for the private sector and see if the deliverables can be met.
    There might just be a need to staff and fund the departments adequately in the first place though.
    At least the funds will stay in the government and there will be no dividend paid to shareholders who no doubt had the spare cash to buy bonds.
13. Rodel 13

    7 June 2015 at 8:22 pm

    Slowly & and quietly privatizing for profit the mental health system, social housing, the schools, the prisons-what’s next? the police or the armed forces?
14. Gareth 14

    8 June 2015 at 9:25 am

    Bill English on the social bond scheme – “We don’t mind it being expensive if we get results” !

    Then why not invest the money directly into social services and not have to pay the extra to investors. Do the exact same scheme with the government being the only investor and see how you go first.

    https://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/we-think-can-do-better-bill-english-social-bond-scheme-6333136

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