Examining the scientific consensus on climate change

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There was an interesting preview paper published back in January by by Peter Doran and Maggie Kendall Zimmerman. It  sheds light on how the scientists who work in the field view the probability of climate change happening. It is pretty clear from the results that those closest to the data and who know the factors making up climate have a very strong consensus. The more you know, the more sure you are that we have a problem.

The objective of our study presented here is to assess the scientific consensus on climate change through and unbiased survey of a large and broad group of Earth scientists.

The two out of 9 questions in the preview were reported

  1. When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?
  2. Do you think that human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures.

In the survey, 90% answered ‘risen’ to the first question, and 82% to the second. The specialists amongst this already specialist group are the 79 climatologists who had recently published in this field in peer-reviewed papers. They answered 96.2% as ‘risen’ to the first question, and 97.4% as ‘yes’ to the second.

Response to question 2 of the survey

Response to question 2 of the survey

As someone who did a BSc in Earth Sciences in the early 80’s when rapid human induced climate change was a hypothesis, these are the people that I respect talking on the subject. By nature they are far more skeptical than the CCD’s (climate change deniers), and certainly have more ability to come up with alternate rational hypothesis. Those have been looked at and discarded. This process is what science does. Because of the seriousness of this hypothesis, it has been intensively studied and now has a consensus amongst those knowledgeable in the area that is probably higher than almost any other area of science, amongst those who study the area.

This type of survey is long overdue. That is because one of the favorite tactics of the organized CCD’s  has been to say that there is no consensus. To ensure there is not, they attempt to hijack surveys or make up their own documents co-opting names almost randomly. There have been some very annoyed scientists finding their name and reputations added to documents that they did participate in and would not have agreed to.

The survey hijacking was reported at RealClimate.org last year.

They [the surveyors] have unfortunately not always been as successful as one might like problems have ranged from deciding who is qualified to respond; questions that were not specific enough or that could be interpreted in very different ways; to losing control of who answered the questionnaire (one time the password and website were broadcast on a mailing list of climate ‘sceptics’).

In this survey, the majority of those surveyed were in the US and Canada. The survey was online and one-time use invitations were sent to 10,257 people working in the field of earth sciences. It received 3146 participants (30.7%) – a typical response rate for web surveys.

While the respondent’s names are kept private, the authors noted that the survey included participants with well-documented dissenting opinions on global warming theory.

So for the moment this is probably as clear a picture as can be gained of the consensus amongst earth scientists.

These are the types of people that the politicians should be listening to. Not that rather strange set of ‘scientists’ that Act brought to the select committee on the ETS or outright scientific illiterates like Ian Wishart*  Those CCD’s don’t have peer-reviewed papers on the subject and largely not even working in the area of earth sciences. Their opinion is essentially worthless except as a purely political consideration – they show we need more scientific education. #

I’ll look forward to seeing the full results in a subsequent paper

hat-tip: Open Parachute

* After reading Ian Wishart you realize that he has no idea of what peer-reviewed scientific papers are. A lot of the papers that he quotes are ‘peer-reviewed’ by other nutters like himself. His latest ‘freezine’ “Climate Reality” seems to show as much disregard for copyright. On the front-page he has reproduced a article from the New Scientist. As well as obviously misinterpreting it (by context), I suspect that he didn’t pay for it.

# This paragraph was mofified after reading some comments which show a clear and inherent misunderstanding of scientific processes.

87 comments on “Examining the scientific consensus on climate change ”

  1. Sonny Blount 1

    82% x 30.7% = 25.2% of 10,257 people working in Earth Sciences in the US and Canada.

    Not very impressive.

  2. Sonny Blount 2

    How does this validation compare to 87% of 54% ‘no’ votes?

    • Marty G 2.1

      how is that relevant? You’re just running distraction.

      The experts on climates overwhelmingly think that climate change is happening.

      Do you disagree with them Sonny?

      If so, why?

      • Sonny Blount 2.1.1

        Two issues,

        Firstly, yes I was running distraction, I wanted to point out the sillyness of some interprestations of the smacking referendum and how many on here believe that it is possible for the majority to be misguided because of their ‘misinterpretation’ of an issue.

        Secondly, I agree with those who observe that there is no historical precedent, and in fact we are yet to deviate significantly from historical patterns which suggest slightly more warming then cooling. And I need to see a model prove itself against real life data, if this had begun in the early 80’s we would be receiving some yes/no results on various models within a few decades.

        • Zorr 2.1.1.1

          Sonny, a couple of answers to your questions,

          Firstly, this was a very specific survey of a very specific group of people. The results from such a survey therefore carry a lot more weight than, say, a poorly worded and leading question in a CIR. However, I doubt you will ever accept this, I am just putting it out there as the reason.

          Secondly? I am unsure how to even interpret your words here as they seem to be at conflict with each other. “I agree with those who observe there is no historical precedent” – doesn’t this mean that you agree with the climate scientists who are saying that unless we do something, we are boned? Also, I personally think that what you are raising here with the “model proving itself against real life data” is a bit of a strawman. Give it another decade or two and we should be able to check these things, but when climate change was initially being investigated we just didn’t have access to the kind of computing power that we do today that makes modeling of incredibly complex systems even possible.

          And just as a final note, please attempt to actually prove the negative. I know this is a bit of a hard ask for people not actually researching this area, but if you are going to come along and say “I know you’ve done all this research and it points to this result but, you know what, I don’t believe you. After all, reality has a liberal bias” then I am going to have to ask you to provide your models and evidence for the climate status quo being maintained.

          • Sonny Blount 2.1.1.1.1

            And just as a final note, please attempt to actually prove the negative. I know this is a bit of a hard ask for people not actually researching this area, but if you are going to come along and say “I know you’ve done all this research and it points to this result but, you know what, I don’t believe you. After all, reality has a liberal bias’ then I am going to have to ask you to provide your models and evidence for the climate status quo being maintained.

            Ummm, 100 million years of history.

            Temp and CO2 (800-1000 years later) have risen before and other factors prevent runaway increases.

            The burden of proof is on the catastrophe. Proving ther negative is just silly, can you prove that a meteor will not hit your house in the next 100 years?

            • Zorr 2.1.1.1.1.1

              And a population of 6+ billion technologically advanced humans on this planet has been a feature for what percentage of those “millions of years”?

            • Sonny Blount 2.1.1.1.1.2

              The surface of the Earth has been covered with life the enitire time. The human biomass is a small part of it and the total biomass today is probably no more or less today than in previous periods of optimum climate.

            • RedLogix 2.1.1.1.1.3

              The human biomass is a small part of it and the total biomass today is probably no more or less today than in previous periods of optimum climate.

              Quit with the fake sophistication … that’s a total piece of misdirection, dressed up to look like science.

              The human biomass (fancy bullshit for human population) is not the problem. It is the fact that in order to support 9 billion humans on the planet we are digging up massive amounts of fossil carbon (ie gas, oil and coal), that has lain buired for millions of years… and relased it into the atmosphere at a rate utterly unprecendented, that is the root cause of AGW. You klnow this perfectly well, yet you have chosen to put up an argument that pretends this is not so.

              Now I can tell the difference between someone who is underinformed, or lacks understanding, or has been misled… and someone who actually knows the truth and chooses to twist, distort and misdirect it. Your behaviour here defines you, at least in my mind, as a disinformation agent. Quite a capable and devious one.

            • Sonny Blount 2.1.1.1.1.4

              Red,

              I don’t deny that humans are adding CO2 to the atmosphere, never have. I am yet to be satisfied of the proof that it is going to lead to runaway warming, or that we can’t make abrupt shifts to the global temp (downwards at least) within a few tears if it is ever needed.

              I am curious as to whether the millions of buffalo, whale , moa, elephants, etc. etc. that humans have displaced from the ecosystem actually amount to a (biologically only) lower CO2 output. Deforestation will probably be pointed out, but forests I think are the largest methane producers on the planet, and the developed surface of the Earth is still under 5% IIRC.

            • Ari 2.1.1.1.1.5

              “The catastrophe” has already met the burden of proof when it was peer-reviewed. Now the hypothesis must be disproved by its critics if it is to be considered wrong, and there has yet to be any criticism that isn’t relatively easily brushed aside by a qualified climatologist. So… not looking good for you, Sonny.

            • Sonny Blount 2.1.1.1.1.6

              “The catastrophe’ has already met the burden of proof when it was peer-reviewed

              That would be interesting. Please direct me to the empirical data that proves a coming anthropogenic climate catastrophe.

              • lprent

                Sonny Blount: Please advise when you are ready to start your night school science and maths classes. In what I can see of your current state of knowledge it would be pointless to explain. You don’t know enough to know that you don’t know enough. So the conversation would simply go around in circles because you would have to be trained in basic scientific principles

                Damn – That ninny Tolley cut the adult education….

                • burt

                  lprent

                  Damn That ninny Tolley cut the adult education .

                  nah, it’s a good thing – 10 comments all saying ‘here here lprent’ is nowhere near as much fun as all this.

            • burt 2.1.1.1.1.7

              Sonny

              This is like trying to tell a born-again Christian that although the Bible is clearly real – the rationale for ‘everything’ contained within it is based on the opinions and posturing of the authors. The fact that a few billion people will agree the Bible is accurate is not making one shred of difference to the actual validity of it’s claims.

            • Cameron 2.1.1.1.1.8

              The Bible isn’t just ‘events’ period (a timeline). There are ‘people’ involved within these ‘events’. And these people have ‘lives’- they aren’t cardboard cutouts, they do have opinions. The Bible isn’t an encyclopedia but a ‘writing’ of “factual history’ (with ‘emotion’ involved).

              It is “human” history.

            • burt 2.1.1.1.1.9

              No one is disputing the Bible is real and that it was written when we are told it was written – but is it the word of God and is Revelation (which is not history) accurate ? If it’s the word of God and if God is real it will be right ?

            • burt 2.1.1.1.1.10

              Cameron

              Furthermore – it is human history through the eyes of a just a few people with a rather large agenda.

              (that is not to say it is necessarily wrong – but is it sufficiently accurate to justify taxing billions of people to support the organisation that it justifies ?)

            • Cameron 2.1.1.1.1.11

              God doesn’t “write’ the Bible literally. “People’ write the Bible, good people, with a clear perception, guided

              Revelation is a “revelation’ (exactly that), and it will be “revealed’ eventually, you can’t understand Revelation from a completely literal viewpoint, it’s not meant to be, you have to become slightly “abstract’ in thought. But it symbolises a truth, which will “be’.

              I’m sure the Bible is the ‘Word of God’ and I’m sure it is “real’ but you can’t just read the “words’ with a blank expression (there is a story behind the words), to “know’ the Bible (beyond faith) you have to become “involved’ in it, to truly know.

              “If it’s the word of God and if God is real it will be right ?’

              Yes I’m sure.
              But remember don’t just read the words, try and understand too.

            • mickysavage 2.1.1.1.1.12

              Sonny

              “I am curious as to whether the millions of buffalo, whale , moa, elephants, etc. etc. that humans have displaced from the ecosystem actually amount to a (biologically only) lower CO2 output.”

              FFS the buffalo, whales, moa and elephants only fart and do not drive SUVs or own plasma TVs reliant on Thermal power stations.

              This must be a wind up. Free speech is wasted on some people.

            • burt 2.1.1.1.1.13

              If we have a catastrophic climate warming event that we have caused then we truly do have hell fire and brimstone and we will pay for our sins. Some will be saved, the believers. Now who said it was to be taken literally?

            • Sonny Blount 2.1.1.1.1.14

              Thats why I said ‘biologically’ mikey. And considering agriculture amounts for nearly half (?) of our countries carbon emissions this amount can be significant.

            • Cameron 2.1.1.1.1.15

              If we have a catastrophic climate warming event that we have caused then we truly do have hell fire and brimstone and we will pay for our sins. Some will be saved, the believers. Now who said it was to be taken literally?

              “You can’t UNDERSTAND Revelation from a completely literal viewpoint, it’s not meant to be, you have to become slightly “abstract’ in thought.”
              This is from perspective, from reading the scripture.

              I’m sure Revelation constitutes more than just hell fire and brimstone.

          • Cameron 2.1.1.1.2

            It probably doesn’t justify, but the ‘idea’ as such gives the common people an incentive, an anchorage.

        • lprent 2.1.1.2

          We are. What are you expecting? That the earths climate changes rapidly and the effects show in years. The normal cycles mitigate against that. Not to mention the sheer volumes of the atmosphere and water bodies. The models are done on decade time periods. So the models say that in this period we see relatively low overt effects on things like average world temperatures. What they do predict is that there will be other measurable effects. They’re being measured and are consistently showing that models are too conservative.

          For instance, we are still getting an immense amount of gas buffering as CO2 goes into the oceans to come out over the coming centuries. That is showing in the increasing acidification of the oceans. The only surprise has been that the pH has been dropping faster than expected.. But the models tend to be pretty conservative. Similarly the ocean itself has been adsorbing heat and circulating it through ocean currents. However the limits to buffering are also appearing.

          But then scientists are accustomed to looking at effects that have affects on other things that cause effects in others. You view them with looking at them with data, analysis, and hypotheses. The CCD’s prefer to use metaphors, analogies, and irrelevant diversion. Anything else would involve them in doing some serious brain work – not something that I’ve noticed them doing.

  3. illuminatedtiger 3

    ACT Party hack bringing his favorite quack “scientist” into the debate in 3 .. 2 .. 1

  4. burt 4

    Anyone here had a read of 1421 ? Some interesting stuff on circumnavigation of Greenland in the 1400’s – when it was Green.

    • George D 4.1

      That guy is a fraud, and his “history”, based on the flimsiest non-evidence you can imagine, has been demolished. Not surprisingly, the climate cranks are crawling all over him.

      • lukas 4.1.1

        As opposed to Al Gore… oh wait…

        • NickS 4.1.1.1

          And what about the IPCC Lukas, are they frauds as well? Along with the authors volumes of literature that have been published?

        • lprent 4.1.1.2

          Oh gee, on a post exclusively about scientists, you bring up a politician.

          You really are pretty damn thick. So Al Gore is financing the whole of the climate change debate?

          He has pockets as deep as the oil and coal industries who seem to be behind most of the organised CCD’s. Please grow up.

    • burt 4.2

      You have read the book ?

      • Ron 4.2.1

        Yes. And interviewed the author…who’s knowledge of current historical knowledge was abysmal. He had done NO research except to dig out the bits and pieces he needed to construct his fantasy.

        1421 is typical of an oeuvre of pseudo anthropology and history (far too much of it in this country) that strings together disparate “facts”, assumptions and leaps of imagination to come up with whacky theories. They then accuse anyone who questions their shonky assumptions as being part of a conspiracy of academics and interested parties against them.

      • burt 4.2.2

        Ron

        Interesting, some of his conclusions were far fetched and I won’t for a moment dispute they were “out there”. How about the evidence he based them on ? Did he make that up as well?

        • Ron 4.2.2.1

          I’d have to go back and look but actually – yes some of it he did make up or at least completely misinterpreted. The central “map” has been discredited for a start.

        • burt 4.2.2.2

          The hard evidence of artifacts would seem hard to dispute – and these tell a story in their own right irrespective of how they got to where they were or who left them there.

          • Ron 4.2.2.2.1

            Isn’t the whole point of artifacts “how they got there and who left them there”? Otherwise all we’re doing is making up a story about them….oh! That’s what he did!
            And I’m not accusing Gavin Menzies of being a flat earther. He and his ilk are the opposite…it’s not that they’re ignoring new evidence, they’re just making evidence up.
            Oh – AGW deniers. My experience is that the likes of Wishart and Leighton Smith spend a lot more time in denigration and ad hominem than the scientists arguing the case. Wihart is in the conspiracy camp and Smith just resorts to taunts like “pointy heads”. I’ll o with the PhD’s, thanks.

            • burt 4.2.2.2.1.1

              Ron

              Isn’t the whole point of artifacts “how they got there and who left them there’?

              Sure, from a perspective of understanding more about it. But if there are buildings and evidence of different land usage that implies a vastly different climate then who was there at the time is interesting but inconsequential to the fact somebody was.

              Tree rings are another example What nationality the people were sitting in the shade of them on sunny days makes no difference to the trees growth rate.

      • burt 4.2.3

        Ron

        They then accuse anyone who questions their shonky assumptions as being part of a conspiracy of academics and interested parties against them.

        This could also be said of AGW believers in the way they denigrate the deniers (modern flat earthers)

        • NickS 4.2.3.1

          Yeap, because stupidity should be respected and encouraged…

          Also, we actually have evidence of special interests funding the denialist movement, per desmogblog, deep climate and sourcewatch wiki.

          • burt 4.2.3.1.1

            OMG – people dare to put their money behind what they believe in. I’ve heard people fund the Protestants as well and the Catholics are outraged… where will it end.

  5. burt 5

    Oh, that comment is not challenging the assertion that humans have an impact, just the cornerstone of the argument that the earth has never been warmer than it is now.

    • Ari 5.1

      That’s not the argument. The argument is that CO2 and other greenhouse gases have never driven a temperature rise like the one we’re seeing now, and that EVENTUALLY this will lead to catastrophic temperature rises.

      So even if that book were credible, it does nothing to disprove AGW. AGW is about average temperature climb and positive feedback, and there is plenty of evidence that both of those things are happening.

      • burt 5.1.1

        Ignoring 1421 for a moment and focusing on ice core samples. Telling porky pies about the last decade being the warmest the planet has ever had is very relevant to what people will believe about AGW theories.

        The last decade is the warmest on record: Do you think the planet is warming…. – Ummm let me think about that one.

        • lprent 5.1.1.1

          I suppose that depends when you start and finish. If you’re selective about those then you can make the data read anything you like. There are a number of cycles active.

          For instance the solar cycles, el nino current cycles, not mention the effects of everything from fires to volcano’s. All of those overlay the underlying trend.

          So if you want to lie – like Wishart and his ilk routinely do about this, all you have to do is pick a start and end date that gives whatever result you want. That is what they do. If you want data that is reasonable accurate as to underlying trends, you pick longer periods or from similar positions on a a cycle.

          Now for whatever particular lie you wish me or others to debunk, provide a link. Otherwise you just sprouting gibberish.

  6. burt 6

    lprent

    As someone who did a BSc in Earth Sciences in the early 80’s …

    Hell it’s lucky you were not a few years older and did it in the early 70’s or you would have been convinced we were heading for another ice age.

    [lprent: I was driving so didn’t respond. I now have. You are wrong. ]

    • RedLogix 6.1

      Jeez burt, are you a very slow learner, or just plain pig headed? The suggestion of an imminent ice age, was just that… an hypothesis that put forward by a handful of scientists who later dropped the idea because it wasn’t supported by the evidence.

      It got a bit a media traction at the time, but it never, never had the depth of research or numbers of peer scientists supporting it. In complete contrast with AGW.

      It’s a classic, blatant old strawman argument… but don’t let that stop you burt ol’buddy.

      • burt 6.1.1

        <history_rewrite>Of course RedLogix, it never made it to documentary status like inconvenient truth and never had international summit’s of large numbers of scientists from various countries.</history_rewrite>

        You have become like felix, anything I say derails any logical thought from you and all you do is attack me….

        Impending ice age in the 70 was serious concern RedLogix, pretend all you like that it was just a flash in the pan because that means we don’t need to admit scientists don’t know enough about the climate to make accurate predictions.

        So tell me – why did the IPCC models take solar activity as constant and what feedback influence did they credit clouds with ?

        We don’t know enough to be certain – that is not the same as saying nothing is changing.

        • Draco T Bastard 6.1.1.1

          It was just a flash in the pan, the whole reporting of it lasted almost a season. Then the media wised up to the fact that the scientists weren’t going anywhere further with it and stopped reporting about it.

          • Sonny Blount 6.1.1.1.1

            We had a national geographic subscription when I was growing up, you can come around and look at all the editions discussing the coming ice age from well into the 80’s if you like.

            • lprent 6.1.1.1.1.1

              The key words here are peer-reviewed.

              National Geographic, while a great magazine for children and people without a scientific background, largely specializes in scientific speculation and pretty photos. The particular speculation you’re referring to was a result of some scientists looking at a limited subset of data from Northern Europe and weaving a speculative theory out of it. It was one of several speculative theories of the time about long term climate trends, all of which were raised in my earth sciences classes. There wasn’t enough data to decide if it was a trend or not. Hell we’d only just started getting definitive good data to measure that there had been previous warm and cold periods. The global climate networks measuring tempature were incomplete and where present outside of parts of the northern hemisphere only had short data lines of less than a decade or two.

              More was researched and collected from areas outside Europe and a few years later another theory of average global warming got its first supporting data.

              The point is that if you looked at those National Geographic, New Scientist, and for that matter Time, Newsweek, or The Economist (they’re all at the same level in science) at that time, you’d find other theories including global warming. You’re simply cheery picking from a popularist magazine, that isn’t peer-reviewed, and has little to do with real science to say that is what scientists thought. Basically what you’re saying is that you know nothing about science

            • Sonny Blount 6.1.1.1.1.2

              ffs. you guys are desperate for any ad hominem angle you can take.

              Draco says reporting on global cooling lastest ‘almost a season’, I merely pointed out that it was quite visible to me for some time in the 70’s, 80’s. I made no defence of the scientific validity of those articles. It would appear that the basic idea will eventually turn out to be correct though.

            • NickS 6.1.1.1.1.3

              No, if one looks at the bloody temperature trends, there is a positive increase in temperature from the 1970’s onwards, when the buffering effect of aerosols that made global average temps colder was over-powered by the increased climate forcing by increases in C02 concentrations…

              Likewise, there is a very clear warming trend since the 1970’s, which to deny is a stupid as denying that biological evolution occurs, which means I will merrily ad hom your moronic arse. After noting why you’re wrong.

            • Sonny Blount 6.1.1.1.1.4

              NickS,

              I know temperature dropped from 1940 to 1980 and rose from 1980-2000, I’ve never said otherwise.

              When I said that the ice age theory will prove to be correct I am talking about sometime in the next few thousand years.

              • lprent

                Yep after human civilization stops out-gassing greenhouse gases from hydrocarbon deposits. Manages to sidestep a heat death scenario from excess heat emissions (eg if cheap fusion happens or cheap solar utilization).

                Then we may have something to worry about with a longer term drop into another glacial*.

                In the meantime we really have to worry more about the immediate (in earth science terms) problem. Climate change due to human generated releases of greenhouse gases.

                * The correct term is glacial, not ice age. We have been solidly in a Ice Age for the last 40 million years since Antarctica drifted into the polar region and started to accumulate ice. Periodically we have glacials which have widespread region effects – they largely affect continental areas in northern hemisphere and the tropical continental areas – plus of course Antarctica. Often not at the same time. Depends on the currents and the buffering action of the oceans in moving heat around.

        • burt 6.1.1.2

          1970-1975 actually.

          • lprent 6.1.1.2.1

            Yeah media spinning up speculation. There was no solid evidence, just as there was none at the time for continental drift or the effects of water temperature of isotopic ratios.

            You really have a problem with things that you don’t understand. Perhaps you should take science night classes

      • RedLogix 6.1.2

        This guy has more or less made a hobby of dismantling the “Impending Ice Age in the 70’s” nonsense.

        Today, you have a widespread scientific consensus, supported by national academies and all the major scientific institutions, solidly behind the warning that the temperature is rising, anthropogenic CO2 is the primary cause, and it will worsen unless we reduce emissions.

        In the 1970s, there was a book in the popular press, a few articles in popular magazines, and a small amount of scientific speculation based on the recently discovered glacial cycles and the recent slight cooling trend from air pollution blocking the sunlight. There were no daily headlines. There was no avalanche of scientific articles. There were no United Nations treaties or commissions. No G8 summits on the dangers and possible solutions. No institutional pronouncements. You could find broader “consensus” on a coming alien invasion.

        Quite simply, there is no comparison.

  7. RedLogix 7

    So what burt, the history of science is full of ideas that didn’t pan out. That’s how it works, people have an idea, see if it has legs and if it doesn’t ..then that’s not so bad because along the way they’ve usually learnt something new. But you burt don’t seem capable of learning… you recycle the same tired old, debunked strawmen over and over. Which gets tiresome real fast.

    Impending ice age in the 70 was serious concern.

    As I said above, it got far more media attention as a shock horror story than it ever got any traction in the science community.

    • burt 7.1

      I get it, scientific history is littered with incorrect assumptions and assertions but this time, finally, we have it nailed.

      • RedLogix 7.1.1

        Yeah, and so therefore all of science is a crock?

      • burt 7.1.2

        No not at all. The crocks are the ones who get emotional and claim the previous theories were not serious in some crap attempt to discard the possibility that the computer models that can’t reproduce actual events when supplied historic data might be bollox.

        • Ari 7.1.2.1

          Actually, dismissing previous theories that have good counter-proofs is good scientific practice.

          Where exactly did you learn about science? 😛

        • burt 7.1.2.2

          Unlike most people (when it comes to AGW), not via politicians.

        • burt 7.1.2.3

          BTW: I’m not the one saying the previous theories on warming/cooling were just a flash in the pan and should be ignored.

          • lprent 7.1.2.3.1

            You mean theoretical speculation don’t you burt. There is quite a difference between that and having a theory with data backing its predictions.

            Now I’m aware that you probably don’t understand the difference. So let me give you an example to explain it. I’ll couch it an analogy because that is what CCD’s seem to understand as a legitimate form of argument.

            a. It is theoretically possible to penetrate your bank account and transfer all of the cash to a Nigerian bank. That is a speculative theory. There is an idea, maybe some predictions about possible things to check it, and no real proof.

            b. If I postulate a method to do this, and demonstrate that parts of the requirements for the method can be achieved. To demonstrate this I write a keylogger, demonstrate that it cannot be detected by old anti-virus software, and show that I can embed it in image so that it will execute on a target machine. That is a theory with data backing its predictions. It is a feasible theory with a partially confirmed method. You have no idea of what I’m explaining even if I go through it really really slowly….

            c. Someone executes such an attack and it succeeds. That is a confirmed theory.

            Now it appears to me that you position (based on your climate change discussions) is that you’ll only ever be satisfied if you get robbed. You will refuse to put in upgraded anti-virus software because you think that the risk of the theory being confirmed is less than the cost of the upgrade* of the anti-virus software. This is despite the cost of the theory being correct vastly outweighs the cost of the upgrade/purchase.

            Now that in my lexion as a programmer is regarded as just being dumb. If one attack doesn’t succeed then another will because the net and all media is full of viruses and the like. Your risk of infection approaches 100% the more time you use your obsolete protection techniques.

            Similarly, the probability that pouring effluent into the atmosphere will destabilize climate also approaches 100% the longer you leave it happening. There is a theory. The key elements of that theory have data backing its predictions. The probable end-points of that theory have costs far higher than the costs of preventing it if they are spent now.

            *Of course with an attitude like yours, you don’t have AV software, or just the free crap that is largely ineffective.

        • lprent 7.1.2.4

          Bollix. If they did reproduce actual historic events (ie single points). I’d be looking at looking at the modelers for someone screwing the system.

          Models by their very nature are approximations of actual events. To be effective they need to be within the expected range of error for the modeling over the relevant time periods (decades). To date I’ve seen a lot of CCD jerk-offs like yourself and Wishart ignore those basic principles of modeling trying to score cheap points. The nett effect is that you simply score own goals amongst anyone who understands even basic scientific techniques.

          Effectively you’re just saying you don’t understand how modeling works. Please go to night school and do some science. At present you look like a pillock.

      • burt 7.1.3

        RedLogix

        Also you might have missed this question;

        Why did the IPCC models take solar activity as constant and what feedback influence did they credit clouds with ?

        • RedLogix 7.1.3.1

          Read it for yourself.
          http://www.grida.no/publications/other/ipcc_tar/?src=/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/271.htm

          It is true, however, that clouds are one of the largest sources of uncertainty in the GCMs. They are complicated to model because they have both positive feedbacks, preventing surface heat from escaping back into space, and negative feedbacks, reflecting incoming sunlight before it can reach the surface. The precise balance of these opposing effects depends on time of day, time of year, altitude, size of the water droplets and/or ice particles, latitude, current air temperature, and size and shape.

          On top of that, different types of clouds will interact, amplifying or mitigating one another’s effects as they coexist in different layers of the atmosphere. There are also latent heat considerations — water vapor condenses during cloud formation and precipitation events, and water droplets evaporate when clouds dissipate.

          The ultimate contribution of clouds to global temperature trends is highly uncertain, but according to the best estimates is likely to be positive over the coming century. There is no indication anywhere that any kind of cloud processes will stop greenhouse-gas-driven warming, and this includes observations of the past as well as modeling experiments.

          http://www.grist.org/article/models-dont-take-clouds-into-account

        • lprent 7.1.3.2

          From memory you’re referring to the 1st IPCC report. The last one was the 4th…. The models and predictive factors improve over time.

          They were modeling in the absence of good data, so for some strange reason (not!) they bootstrapped using constants to look at how much variation the other factors gave. This is why most scientists regard the IPCC reports as being extremely conservative. They only include data in their projections if it has been massively checked.

          When are you going to say something that I don’t already know. You really know bugger all about science do you.

    • burt 7.2

      RedLogix

      You have still failed to demonstrate that had lprent being doing earth science in the early 70 rather than the early 80’s he would have been exploring the hypothesis of an ice age rather than warming. But I guess as that was the comment you responded to I can hardly expect you to address that.

      [lprent: I was driving so didn’t respond. I now have. You are wrong. ]

      • blacksand 7.2.1

        hang on; I remember looking into this a few years ago and it didn’t sound like quite the scientific frenzy of panic you’re making it sound.

        Some boffins noted that since glacials/ interglacials were looking to be cyclic, then at some point in the future we were obviously heading for an ice age. This got picked up by journalists and a frenzy of lousy science reporting followed.

        What you seem to be getting at is that this shows how unreliable scientists are. What I think it shows is that people who rely on journalists and headlines to get their science are not really going to have a reliable clue about what is and isn’t scientifically credible.

        I don’t think it’s so much that the scientists quietly moved on from this idea, but that the idea wasn’t anything to sustain sensational headlines & the panic reporting eventually fizzled out. Meanwhile in the intervening 3X years a whole lot more data has been collected and a huge amount more work has been done looking into orbital geometry & whatever else. I have seen various estimates as to when (in the absence of AGW) it would likely kick in, I’m sure if you put a bit of effort into it you could find something about it?

      • lprent 7.2.2

        burt.

        *Sigh* We did. That theory had been postulated long ago, as had greenhouse effects. In fact both of those theories as well as a number of others had been around since at least the 1940’s. There wasn’t enough data. All of them were speculation.

        in 1979 when I started, they’d managed to confirm the theory of continental drift to almost all earth scientists satisfaction. The theory of using isotopic variances to determine past temperatures was pretty well accepted as being better than species counts.

        What you’re describing are speculative theories being promoted in the press. Not exactly peer-reviewed or accepted inside the earth sciences community as being anything other than tenuous.

    • burt 7.3

      Ooops, failed to demonstrate that lprent wouldn’t have been exploring…

      [lprent: I was driving so didn’t respond. I now have. You are wrong. ]

      • RedLogix 7.3.1

        This is just one of numerous references on the topic.

        Finally, its clear that there were concerns, perhaps quite strong, in the minds of a number of scientists of the time. And yet, the papers of the time present a clear consensus that future climate change could not be predicted with the knowledge then available. Apparently, the peer review and editing process involved in scientific publication was sufficient to provide a sober view. This episode shows the scientific press in a very good light; and a clear contrast to the lack of any such process in the popular press, then and now.

        Here is another.

        Today, you have a widespread scientific consensus, supported by national academies and all the major scientific institutions, solidly behind the warning that the temperature is rising, anthropogenic CO2 is the primary cause, and it will worsen unless we reduce emissions.

        In the 1970s, there was a book in the popular press, a few articles in popular magazines, and a small amount of scientific speculation based on the recently discovered glacial cycles and the recent slight cooling trend from air pollution blocking the sunlight. There were no daily headlines. There was no avalanche of scientific articles. There were no United Nations treaties or commissions. No G8 summits on the dangers and possible solutions. No institutional pronouncements. You could find broader “consensus” on a coming alien invasion.

        Quite simply, there is no comparison.

  8. Joshua 8

    [lprent: This comment has been left in the stream. This is despite it obviously being unlinked, having no reference to peer-reviewed papers, and obviously a spam ad for a book.It is a good example of what CCD’s consider is legitimate science. Personally I’ve seen used-car salesmen with a more credible story. ]

    This opinion piece from Professor Henrik Svensmark was published September 9th in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten.
    HENRIK SVENSMARK, Professor, DTU, Copenhagen

    Indeed, global warming stopped and a cooling is beginning. No climate model has predicted a cooling of the Earth, on the contrary. This means that projections of future climate is unpredictable, writes Henrik Svensmark.

    The star which keeps us alive, has over the last few years almost no sunspots, which are the usual signs of the sun’s magnetic activity.

    Last week, reported the scientific team behind Sohosatellitten (Solar and Heliospheric Observatory) that the number of sunspot-free days suggest that solar activity is heading towards its lowest level in about 100 years’. Everything indicates that the Sun is moving into a hibernation-like state, and the obvious question is whether it has any significance for us on Earth.

    If you ask the International Panel on Climate Change IPCC, representing the current consensus on climate change, so the answer is a reassuring ‘nothing’. But history and recent research suggests that it is probably completely wrong. Let us take a closer look at why.

    Solar activity has always varied. Around the year 1000, we had a period of very high solar activity, which coincided with the medieval warmth. It was a period when frosts in May was an almost unknown phenomenon and of great importance for a good harvest. Vikings settled in Greenland and explored the coast of North America. For example, China’s population doubled over this period. But after about 1300, the earth began to get colder and it was the beginning of the period we now call the Little Ice Age. In this cold period all the Viking settlements in Greenland disappeared. Swedes [were surprised to see Denmark to freeze over in ice], and the Thames in London froze repeatedly. But more serious was the long periods of crop failure, which resulted in a poorly nourished population, because of disease and hunger [population was reduced] by about 30 per cent in Europe.

    It is important to note that the Little Ice Age was a global event. It ended in the late 19th century and was followed by an increase in solar activity. Over the past 50 years solar activity has been the highest since the medieval warmth for 1,000 years ago. And now it appears that the sun returns and is heading towards what is called ‘a grand minimum’ as we saw in the Little Ice Age.

    The coincidence between solar activity and climate through the ages have tried explained away as coincidence. But it turns out that almost no matter what time studying, not just the last 1000 years, so there is a line. Solar activity has repeatedly over the past 10,000 years has fluctuated between high and low. Actually, the sun over the past 10,000 years spent in a sleep mode, approx. 17 pct of the time, with a cooling of the Earth to follow.

    One can wonder that the international climate panel IPCC does not believe that the sun changed activity has no effect on the climate, but the reason is that they only include changes in solar radiation.

    Just radiation would be the simplest way by which the sun could change the climate. A bit like turning up and down the brightness of a light bulb.

    Satellite measurements of solar radiation has been shown that the variations are too small to cause climate change, but so has closed his eyes for a second much more powerful way the sun is able to affect Earth’s climate. In 1996 we discovered a surprising influence of the sun its impact on Earth’s cloud cover. High energy accelerated particles of exploded stars, the cosmic radiation, are helping to form clouds.

    When the Sun is active its magnetic field shields better against the cosmic rays from outer space before they reach our planet, and by regulating the Earth’s cloud cover the sun can turn up and down the temperature. High solar activity obtained fewer clouds and the earth is getting warmer. Low solar activity inferior shields against cosmic radiation, and it results in increased cloud cover and hence a cooling. As the sun’s magnetism has doubled its strength during the 20th century, this natural mechanism may be responsible for a large part of global warming during this period.

    This also explains why most climate scientists are trying to ignore this possibility. It does in fact favor the idea that the 20th century temperature rise is mainly due to human emissions of CO2. If the sun as has influenced a significant part of warming in the 20 century, it means that CO2’s contribution must necessarily be smaller.

    Ever since our theory was put forward in 1996, it has been through a very sharp criticism, which is normal in science.

    First it was said that a link between clouds and solar activity could not be correct because no physical mechanism was known. But in 2006 after many years of work we managed to conduct experiments at DTU Space, where we demonstrated the existence of a physical mechanism. The cosmic radiation helps to form aerosols, which are the seeds for cloud formation.

    Then came the criticism that the mechanism we have found in the laboratory was unable to survive in the real atmosphere and therefore had no practical significance. But the criticism we have just emphatically rejected. It turns out that the sun itself is doing, what we might call natural experiments. Giant solar flares can have the cosmic radiation on earth to dive suddenly over a few days. In the days after the eruption cloud cover falls by about 4 per cent. And the content of liquid water in clouds (droplets) is reduced by almost 7 per cent. Indeed, [you could say] that the clouds on Earth originated in space.

    Therefore we have looked at the sun’s magnetic activity with increasing concern, since it began to wane in the mid-1990s.

    That the sun could fall asleep in a deep minimum was suggested by [solar scientists] at a meeting in Kiruna in Sweden two years ago. As Nigel Calder and I updated our book “The Chilling Stars’ therefore, we wrote a little provocative [passage] “we recommend our friends to enjoy global warming while it lasts.’

    Indeed, global warming stopped and a cooling is beginning. Last week, it was argued by Mojib Latif from the University of Kiel at the UN World Climate Conference in Geneva that cooling may continue through the next 10 to 20 years.

    His explanation was natural changes in North Atlantic circulation and not in solar activity. But no matter how it is interpreted, the natural variations in climate then penetrates more and more.

    One consequence may be that the sun itself will show its importance for climate and thus to test the theories of global warming. No climate model has predicted a cooling of the Earth, on the contrary.

    This means that projections of future climate is unpredictable. A forecast [that] says it may be warmer or colder for 50 years, is not very useful, for science is not able to predict solar activity.

    So in many ways, we stand at a crossroads. The near future will be extremely interesting and I think it is important to recognize that nature is completely independent of what we humans think about it. Will Greenhouse theory survive a significant cooling of the Earth? Not in its current dominant form. Unfortunately, tomorrow’s climate challenges will be quite different than greenhouse theory’s predictions, and perhaps it becomes again popular to investigate the sun’s impact on climate.

    Professor Henrik Svensmark is director of the Center for Sun-Climate Research at DTU Space. His book “The Chilling Stars’ has also been published in Danish as “Climate and the Cosmos’ (Gads Forlag, DK ISBN 9788712043508)

    • Draco T Bastard 8.1

      opinion piece

      No more needs be said. We even know why it’s an opinion piece – because all the theories that point to the sun cooling and therefore cooling the Earth have been disproved.

      • lprent 8.1.1

        Yeah… Notice the complete lack of peer-reviewed publishing. Anyone credible would at least cite a couple of journals that their papers have been published in.

        This guy looks like someone interested in promoting a book. Snake-oil salesman…

        I’ll leave it in here as an example. Next one that comes in unlinked is toast.

  9. RedLogix 9

    Here is just one of numerous references on this myth.

    Finally, its clear that there were concerns, perhaps quite strong, in the minds of a number of scientists of the time. And yet, the papers of the time present a clear consensus that future climate change could not be predicted with the knowledge then available. Apparently, the peer review and editing process involved in scientific publication was sufficient to provide a sober view. This episode shows the scientific press in a very good light; and a clear contrast to the lack of any such process in the popular press, then and now.

    Or another.

    Today, you have a widespread scientific consensus, supported by national academies and all the major scientific institutions, solidly behind the warning that the temperature is rising, anthropogenic CO2 is the primary cause, and it will worsen unless we reduce emissions.

    In the 1970s, there was a book in the popular press, a few articles in popular magazines, and a small amount of scientific speculation based on the recently discovered glacial cycles and the recent slight cooling trend from air pollution blocking the sunlight. There were no daily headlines. There was no avalanche of scientific articles. There were no United Nations treaties or commissions. No G8 summits on the dangers and possible solutions. No institutional pronouncements. You could find broader “consensus” on a coming alien invasion.

    Quite simply, there is no comparison.

  10. RedLogix 10

    Here is just one of many references on this myth.

    Finally, its clear that there were concerns, perhaps quite strong, in the minds of a number of scientists of the time. And yet, the papers of the time present a clear consensus that future climate change could not be predicted with the knowledge then available. Apparently, the peer review and editing process involved in scientific publication was sufficient to provide a sober view. This episode shows the scientific press in a very good light; and a clear contrast to the lack of any such process in the popular press, then and now.

    Or another.

    Today, you have a widespread scientific consensus, supported by national academies and all the major scientific institutions, solidly behind the warning that the temperature is rising, anthropogenic CO2 is the primary cause, and it will worsen unless we reduce emissions.

    In the 1970s, there was a book in the popular press, a few articles in popular magazines, and a small amount of scientific speculation based on the recently discovered glacial cycles and the recent slight cooling trend from air pollution blocking the sunlight. There were no daily headlines. There was no avalanche of scientific articles. There were no United Nations treaties or commissions. No G8 summits on the dangers and possible solutions. No institutional pronouncements. You could find broader “consensus” on a coming alien invasion.

    Quite simply, there is no comparison.

    • Sonny Blount 10.1

      “We simply cannont afford to gamble … by ignoring it. We cannot risk inaction. Those scientists who say we are merely entering a period of climactic instability are acting irresponsibly. The indications that our climate can soon change for the worse are too strong to be reasonably ignored.”

      1978, Lowell Ponte, The Cooling, p 237

      • Macro 10.1.1

        Look Sonny – the guy who first showed that Milankovich Cycles Hypothesis was correct back in the 1970’s has long since moved on to become one of the leading advocates for global warming.
        Yes in the Milankovich cycle the earth is moving towards a period when ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL the earth would experience a SLIGHT drop in temperature and move towards another ice age – caused mainly by changes in ocean currents. But the fact, is things are NOT in equilibrium at the moment.
        Humans have taken gigatonnes of stored carbon, burnt it, and almost doubled the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere since 1850. Added to that – we have decimated the forests – the natural sinks of Carbon and continue to do so. The other natural sink for carbon – the oceans – have just about had enough and may not continue to sequest CO2 for much longer at the rate they have been. There are even more factors involved – methane in the Artic, less ice reflecting sunlight etc.So despite the fact that the earth’s orbit is now moving into the part of the cycle where the average global temperature would be likely to drop by a fraction of a degree C. The data collected by climate scientists around the world is showing that the earth is actually warming up – about 0.6C in the past 100 years. Furthermore, there is now so much more CO2 in the atmosphere that this heating trend will continue for some time yet.

        • lprent 10.1.1.1

          Exactly. It has been pretty clear if not proven that we’d probably be tipping towards a glacial if we weren’t tossing so much crud into the atmosphere.

          But that is a pretty irrelevant argument because we are increasing greenhouse gases too fast.

          • Macro 10.1.1.1.1

            The fact that the Milankovich Cycles occur has to be acknowledged – and it was the realization that the these slight variations in the earths orbit over 1000’s of years did have a small effect in the earths warming and could with associated feedbacks lead to warming and cooling phases in the earths climate that lead one pair of scientists to publish that another glacial period was likely in the future. The stuff to which burt refers. But burt et al need to realise that science has moved on since 1975 and the science of AGW is well established and overrides any consideration of Milankovich Cycles!
            There is however one “little” thing that is of concern. As you are aware the ocean currents are the conveyor belts for a large part of the heating that is happening. The gulf stream is the main conveyor belt in the north atlantic and its stopping apparently led to the glacial period that was the LGM. It is thought that what stopped the gulf stream inits tracks was the emptying of the Hudson Bay or St Lawrence River Glaciers (during a warming phase) into the north Atlantic – the cold fresh water meeting the warm salt water stopped it dead. Result – a very cold north with ice caps as far south as the mid USA and a not so cold south. We have a massive warming of Greenland’s Ice caps at present. The discharge of cold water into the Gulf Stream is enormous and growing more each year. 20 gigatonnes at the current rate. I haven’t seen any modeling of what might happen to the Gulf stream; I’m sure there must be some. But if it did stop we would have an even more disrupted state of affairs. The Artic Ice might recover for a while but an even more exaggerated warming in the tropics.

  11. Macro 11

    From Bryan Walkers Post on Hot-topic “More than a metre”
    You should read the full post burt, but this will put some of your above comments into a more factual perspective.
    “Observations show that the Greenland ice sheet is losing ice mass to the ocean. In 2008 the loss was about 280 gigatonnes. The loss has been increasing over the last 20 years by about 20 gigatonnes per year. One third of this loss is due to increased surface melting or runoff, and the other two thirds to the acceleration of glaciers. It was thought that the acceleration was due to bedrock lubrication from meltwater, but this only accounts for about 20% of the acceleration. The rest is due to the pressure change that occurs near the front of the glacier as a glacier melts. The more rapid melt due to warmer ocean and land temperatures causes the glacier to retreat inland, which reduces the backpressure (or resistance to flow) on the inland ice, meaning the glacier can flow more swiftly into the sea as a wave of acceleration is transmitted upstream over vast distances. These mechanisms of destabilisation in a warmer climate were not sufficiently well understood to inform the forecasts in AR4. The ice sheets will continue to lose mass at an increasing rate in a warmer climate, though predicting those rates remains a serious scientific challenge at present. Glaciers grounded below sea level are the most vulnerable because their frontal regions remain in contact with ocean water during their retreat. If Greenland continues to lose mass at the rate it has been it alone will contribute 31 centimetres to sea level rise this century.”

    Captcha “expert” !!!!

  12. Herodotus 12

    Looks as if there is some polarisation re if Global Warming is real or should be associated with the tooth fairy.
    One question that I would ask both camps what would it take for either camp to change their oponion i.e for the denialer camp to accept, of for those who think it is proven to change their minds?
    Just throw it out there

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    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    4 days ago
  • Bernard's Dawn Chorus and pick 'n' mix for Friday, June 14
    Seymour said lower speed limits “drained the joy from life as people were forced to follow rules they knew made no sense.” File Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: My six things to note in Aotearoa-NZ’s political economy around housing, climate and poverty on Friday, June 14 were:The National/ACT/NZ First ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago
  • Friendly but frank talks with China Premier
    It sounded like the best word to describe yesterday’s talks between Chinese Premier Li Qiang and his heavyweight delegation of Ministers and officials and Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and New Zealand Ministers and officials was “frank.” But it was the kind of frankness that friends can indulge in. It ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    4 days ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #24 2024
    Open access notables Wildfire smoke impacts lake ecosystems, Farruggia et al., Global Change Biology: We introduce the concept of the lake smoke-day, or the number of days any given lake is exposed to smoke in any given fire season, and quantify the total lake smoke-day exposure in North America from 2019 ...
    4 days ago
  • Geoffrey Miller: China’s message to New Zealand – don’t put it all at risk
    Don’t put it all at risk. That’s likely to be the take-home message for New Zealand Prime Minister Christopher Luxon in his meetings with Li Qiang, the Chinese Premier. Li’s visit to Wellington this week is the highest-ranking visit by a Chinese official since 2017. The trip down under – ...
    Democracy ProjectBy Geoffrey Miller
    5 days ago
  • The Real Thing
    I know the feelingIt is the real thingThe essence of the soulThe perfect momentThat golden momentI know you feel it tooI know the feelingIt is the real thingYou can't refuse the embraceNo?Sometimes we face the things we most dislike. A phobia or fear that must be confronted so it doesn’t ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    5 days ago
  • Gordon Campbell on how moderates empower the political right
    Struth, what a week. Having made sure the rural sector won’t have to pay any time soon for its pollution, PM Christopher Luxon yesterday chose Fieldays 2024 to launch a parliamentary inquiry into rural banking services, to see how the banks have been treating farmers faced with high interest rates. ...
    5 days ago
  • Bernard's Dawn Chorus and pick 'n' mix for Thursday, June 13
    In April, 17,656 people left Aotearoa-NZ to live overseas, averaging 588 a day, with just over half of those likely to have gone to Australia. Photo: Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: My six things to note in Aotearoa-NZ’s political economy around housing, climate and poverty on Thursday, June 13 ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago
  • Our guide to having your say on the draft RLTP 2024
    Auckland’s draft Regional Land Transport Plan (RLTP) 2024 is open for feedback – and you only have until Monday 17 June to submit. Do it! Join the thousands of Aucklanders who are speaking up for wise strategic investment that will dig us out of traffic and give us easy and ...
    Greater AucklandBy Connor Sharp
    5 days ago
  • The China puzzle
    Chinese Premier Li Qiang arrives in Wellington today for a three-day visit to the country. The visit will take place amid uncertainty about the future of the New Zealand-China relationship. Li hosted a formal welcome and then lunch for then-Prime Minister Chris Hipkins in Beijing a year ago. The pair ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    5 days ago
  • Fossil fuels are shredding our democracy
    This is a re-post of an article from the Climate Brink by Andrew Dessler published on June 3, 2024. I have an oped in the New York Times (gift link) about this. For a long time, a common refrain about the energy transition was that renewable energy needed to become ...
    5 days ago
  • Life at 20 kilometres an hour
    We are still in France, getting from A to B.Possibly for only another week, though; Switzerland and Germany are looming now. On we pedal, towards Budapest, at about 20 km per hour.What are are mostly doing is inhaling a country, loving its ways and its food. Rolling, talking, quietly thinking. ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    6 days ago
  • Hipkins is still useless
    The big problem with the last Labour government was that they were chickenshits who did nothing with the absolute majority we had given them. They governed as if they were scared of their own shadows, afraid of making decisions lest it upset someone - usually someone who would never have ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Exercising with the IDF.
    This morning I did something I seldom do, I looked at the Twitter newsfeed. Normally I take the approach of something that I’m not sure is an American urban legend, or genuinely something kids do over there. The infamous bag of dog poo on the front porch, set it on ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    6 days ago
  • Helm Hammerhand Anime: First Pictures and an Old English ‘Hera’
    We have some news on the upcoming War of the Rohirrim anime. It will apparently be two and a half hours in length, with Peter Jackson as Executive Producer, and Helm’s daughter Hera will be the main character. Also, pictures: The bloke in the middle picture is Freca’s ...
    6 days ago
  • Farmers get free pass on climate AND get subsidies
    The cows will keep burping and farting and climate change will keep accelerating - but farmers can stop worrying about being included in the ETS. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: My six things to note in Aotearoa-NZ’s political economy around housing, climate and poverty on Wednesday, June 12 were:The ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    6 days ago
  • Six ideas to secure Te Huia’s Future
    This is a guest post by our friend Darren Davis. It originally appeared on his excellent blog, Adventures in Transitland, which features “musings about public transport and other cool stuff in Aotearoa/ New Zealand and around the globe.” With Te Huia now having funding secure through to 2026, now is ...
    Greater AucklandBy Darren Davis
    6 days ago
  • The methane waka sinks
    In some ways, there may be less than meets the eye to the Government announcement yesterday that the He Waka Eke Noa proposal for farmers to pay for greenhouse gas emissions has been scrapped. The spectre of farmers still having to pay at some point in the future remains. That, ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    6 days ago
  • At a glance – Does positive feedback necessarily mean runaway warming?
    On February 14, 2023 we announced our Rebuttal Update Project. This included an ask for feedback about the added "At a glance" section in the updated basic rebuttal versions. This weekly blog post series highlights this new section of one of the updated basic rebuttal versions and serves as a ...
    6 days ago
  • Climate Change: Farmers get what they wanted – for now
    Since entering office, National has unravelled practically every climate policy, leaving us with no effective way of reducing emissions or meeting our emissions budgets beyond magical thinking around the ETS. And today they've announced another step: removing agriculture entirely. At present, following the complete failure of he waka eka noa, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Presumed Innocent?
    The blue billionaireDistraction no interactionOr movement outside these glazed over eyesThe new great divideFew fight the tide to be glorifiedBut will he be satisfied?Can we accept this without zoom?The elephant in the roomNot much happens in politics on a Monday. Bugger all in fact. Although yesterday Christopher Luxon found he ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    7 days ago
  • Gordon Campbell on our doomed love affair with oil and gas
    What if New Zealand threw a fossil fuel party, and nobody came? On the weekend, Resources Minister Shane Jones sent out the invitations and strung up the balloons, but will anyone really want to invest big time in resuming oil and gas exploration in our corner of the planet? Yes, ...
    WerewolfBy lyndon
    7 days ago
  • Building better housing insights
    This is a guest post by Meredith Dale, senior urban designer and strategist at The Urban Advisory. There’s a saying that goes something like: ‘what you measure is what you value’. An RNZ article last week claimed that Auckland was ‘hurting’ because of a more affordable supply of homes, particularly townhouses ...
    Greater AucklandBy Guest Post
    7 days ago
  • Putin would be proud of them
    A Prime Minister directs his public service to inquire into the actions of the opposition political party which is his harshest critic. Something from Orban's Hungary, or Putin's Russia? No, its happening right here in Aotearoa: Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has announced the Public Service Commission will launch an ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Resources for debunking common solar and wind myths
    This is a repost from a Yale Climate Connections article by SueEllen Campbell published on June 3, 2024. The articles listed can help you tell fact from fiction when it comes to solar and wind energy. Some statements you hear about solar and wind energy are just plain false. ...
    1 week ago
  • Juggernaut
    Politics were going on all around us yesterday, and we barely noticed, rolling along canal paths, eating baguettes. It wasn’t until my mate got to the headlines last night that we learned there had been a dismayingly strong far right result in the EU elections and Macron had called a ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    1 week ago
  • Numbers Game.
    Respect Existence, Or Expect Resistance? There may well have been 50,000 pairs of feet “Marching For Nature” down Auckland’s Queen Street on Saturday afternoon, but the figure that impresses the Coalition Government is the 1,450,000 pairs of Auckland feet that were somewhere else.IN THE ERA OF DRONES and Artificial Intelligence, ...
    1 week ago
  • Media Link: AVFA on post-colonial blowback.
    Selwyn Manning and I discuss varieties of post colonial blowback and the implications its has for the rise of the Global South. Counties discussed include Palestine/Israel, France/New Caledonia, England/India, apartheid/post-apartheid South Africa and post-colonial New Zealand. It is a bit … Continue reading ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • Policy by panic
    Back in March, Ombudsman Peter Boshier resigned when he hit the statutory retirement age of 72, leaving the country in the awkward (and legally questionable) position of having him continue as a temporay appointee. It apparently took the entire political system by surprise - as evinced by Labour's dick move ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • PSA: NZ's Richest Company, Zuru, Sucks
    Hi,Today the New Zealand press is breathlessly reporting that the owners of toy company Zuru are officially New Zealand’s wealthiest people: Mat and Nick Mowbray worth an estimated $20 billion between them.While the New Zealand press loses its shit celebrating this Kiwi success story, this is a Webworm reminder that ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    1 week ago
  • Bernard's Dawn Chorus and pick 'n' mix for Monday, June 10
    TL;DR: The six things to note in Aotearoa-NZ’s political economy around housing, climate and poverty in the past day to 8:36 pm on Monday, June 10 were:20,000 protested against the Fast-track approval bill on Saturday in Auckland, but PM Christopher Luxon says ‘sorry, but not sorry’ about the need for ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 week ago
  • In Defence of Kāinga Ora
    Given the headlines around the recent findings of the ‘independent’ review of Kāinga Ora by Bill English, you might assume this post will be about social housing, Kāinga Ora’s most prominent role. While that is indeed something that requires defending, I want to talk about the other core purpose of ...
    Greater AucklandBy Connor Sharp
    1 week ago
  • Baby You're A Rich Man
    “How does it feel to beOne of the beautiful peopleNow that you know who you areWhat do you want to beAnd have you traveled very far?Far as the eye can see”Yesterday the ACT party faithful were regaled with craven boasts, sneers, and demands for even more at their annual rally.That ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    1 week ago
  • Stopping a future Labour government from shutting down gas exploration
    A defiant Resources Minister Shane Jones has responded to Saturday’s environmental protests by ending Labour’s offshore oil exploration ban and calling for long-term contracts with any successful explorers. The purpose would be to prevent a future Labour Government from reversing any licence the explorers might hold. Jones sees a precedent ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    1 week ago
  • 2024 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #23
    A listing of 32 news and opinion articles we found interesting and shared on social media during the past week: Sun, June 2, 2024 thru Sat, June 8, 2024. Story of the week Our Story of the Week is Yale Climate Connection's Resources for debunking common solar and wind myths, by ...
    1 week ago
  • Fission by the river
    This is where we ate our lunch last Wednesday. Never mind your châteaux and castles and whatnot, we like to enjoy a baguette in the shadow of a nuclear power plant; a station that puts out more than twice as much as Manapouri using nothing more than tiny atoms to bring ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    1 week ago
  • Fact Brief – Is the ocean acidifying?
    Skeptical Science is partnering with Gigafact to produce fact briefs — bite-sized fact checks of trending claims. This fact brief was written by John Mason in collaboration with members from the Gigafact team. You can submit claims you think need checking via the tipline. Is the ocean acidifying? Acidification of oceans ...
    1 week ago
  • 20,000+ on Queen St.
    The largest protest I ever went on was in the mid 90s. There were 10,000 people there that day, and I’ve never forgotten it. An enormous mass of people, chanting together. Stretching block after block, bringing traffic to a halt.But I can’t say that’s the biggest protest I’ve ever been ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    1 week ago
  • Josh Drummond's Columns
    Hi there,I wanted to put all of Josh Drummond’s Webworm pieces all in one place. I love that he writes for Webworm — and all of these are a good read!David.Why Are So Many “Christians” Hellbent on Being Horrible?Why do so many objectively hideous people declare themselves “Christian”?Meeting the Master ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    1 week ago
  • Bernard’s Saturday soliloquy and weekend Pick ‘n’ Mix for June 8/9
    Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: On reflection, the six things to note in Aotearoa-NZ’s political economy around housing, climate and poverty this week were:The Government-driven freeze in building new classrooms, local roads and water networks in order to save cash for tax cuts is frustrating communities facing massive population ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 week ago
  • The no-vision thing
    Hello! Here comes the Saturday edition of More Than A Feilding, catching you up on the past somewhat interrupted week. Still on the move!Share Read more ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    1 week ago
  • When Journalists are Disingenuous
    Hi,One of the things I like the most about Webworm is to be able to break down the media and journalism a little, and go behind the scenes.This is one of those times.Yesterday an email arrived in my inbox from journalist Jonathan Milne, who is managing editor at Newsroom.I don’t ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    1 week ago
  • Me, elsewhere: Just say you’ll do the thing
    Wrote something over at 1/200 on a familiar theme of mine: The way we frame the economy as a separate, sacred force which must be sacrificed to, the way we talk about criminals as invaders who must be repelled, the constant othering of people on the benefit, people not in ...
    Boots TheoryBy Stephanie Rodgers
    1 week ago
  • A Voyage Among the Vandals: Accepted
    A nice bit of news today: my 4600-word historical fantasy-horror piece, A Voyage Among the Vandals, has been accepted by Phobica Books (https://www.phobicabooks.co.uk/books) for their upcoming Pirate Horror anthology, Shivering Timbers. This one is set in the Mediterranean, during the mid-fifth century AD. Notable for having one of history’s designated ...
    1 week ago
  • Ministerial conflicts of interest
    Since the National government came to power, it has been surrounded by allegations of conflicts of interest. Firstly, there's the fast-track law, which concentrates power in the hands of three Ministers, some of whom have received donations from companies whose projects they will be deciding on. Secondly, there's the close ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • The 2024 Budget Forecasts Are Gloomy Prognosis About The Next Three Years.
    There was no less razzamatazz about the 2024 Budget than about earlier ones. Once again the underlying economic analysis got lost. It deserves more attention.Just to remind you, the Budget Economic and Fiscal Update (BEFU), is the Treasury’s independent assessment and so can be analysed by other competent economists (although ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    2 weeks ago
  • A government that can't see twenty feet ahead
    There are two failings that consistently characterise a National government. One is a lack of imagination, the other is their willingness to look after their mates, no matter what harm it might do to everyone else.This is how we come to have thousands of enormous trucks carving up our roads. ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    2 weeks ago
  • A post I hope is incorrect
    In May, we learned that National MP David MacLeod had "forgotten" to declare $178,000 in electoral donations. Filing a donation return which is false in any material particular is a crime, and the Electoral Commission has now referred MacLeod to police, since they're the only people who are allowed to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Māori Cannot Re-Write New Zealand’s Constitution By Stealth.
    The Kotahitanga Parliament 1897: A Māori Parliament – at least in the guise of a large and representative body dedicated to describing the shape of New Zealand’s future from a Māori perspective – would be a very good idea.THE DEMAND for a “Māori Parliament” needs to be carefully unpicked. Some Pakeha, ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Cowpats and Colonials.
    Dumbtown, is how my friend Gerard refers to people like ZB listeners - he’s not wrong.Normally on a Friday I start by looking at Mike Hosking’s moronic reckons of the week which he vomits down the throats of his audience like helpless baby birds in a nest, grateful for the ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    2 weeks ago

  • Making it easier to build granny flats
    The Government has today announced that it is making it easier for people to build granny flats, Acting Prime Minister Winston Peters and RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop say. “Making it easier to build granny flats will make it more affordable for families to live the way that suits them ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    14 hours ago
  • High Court Judge appointed
    Attorney-General Judith Collins today announced the appointment of Auckland King’s Counsel Gregory Peter Blanchard as a High Court Judge. Justice Blanchard attended the University of Auckland from 1991 to 1995, graduating with an LLB (Honours) and Bachelor of Arts (English). He was a solicitor with the firm that is now Dentons ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Health workforce numbers rise
    Health Minister Dr Shane Reti says new data released today shows encouraging growth in the health workforce, with a continued increase in the numbers of doctors, nurses and midwives joining Health New Zealand. “Frontline healthcare workers are the beating heart of the healthcare system. Increasing and retaining our health workforce ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Government to overhaul firearms laws
    Associate Justice Minister Nicole McKee has today announced a comprehensive programme to reform New Zealand's outdated and complicated firearms laws. “The Arms Act has been in place for over 40 years. It has been amended several times – in a piecemeal, and sometimes rushed way. This has resulted in outdated ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Government delivers landmark specialist schools investment
    The coalition Government is delivering record levels of targeted investment in specialist schools so children with additional needs can thrive. As part of Budget 24, $89 million has been ringfenced to redevelop specialist facilities and increase satellite classrooms for students with high needs. This includes: $63 million in depreciation funding ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Major health and safety consultation begins
    A substantial consultation on work health and safety will begin today with a roadshow across the regions over the coming months, says Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Brooke van Velden.  This the first step to deliver on the commitment to reforming health and safety law and regulations, set out in ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Growing the potential of New Zealand’s forestry sector in partnership
    Forestry Minister Todd McClay, today announced the start of the Government’s plan to restore certainty and confidence in the forestry and wood processing sector. “This government will drive investment to unlock the industry’s economic potential for growth,” Mr McClay says. “Forestry’s success is critical to rebuilding New Zealand’s economy, boosting ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Government cancels forestry ETS annual service charges for 2023-24
    Annual service charges in the forestry Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS) will be cancelled for 2023/24, Forestry Minister Todd McClay says. “The sector has told me the costs imposed on forestry owners by the previous government were excessive and unreasonable and I agree,” Mr McClay says. “They have said that there ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Speech to the LGNZ Infrastructure Symposium
    Introduction Thank you for having me here today and welcome to Wellington, the home of the Hurricanes, the next Super Rugby champions. Infrastructure – the challenge This government has inherited a series of big challenges in infrastructure. I don’t need to tell an audience as smart as this one that ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Government boosts Agriculture and food trade with China
    Trade and Agriculture Minister Todd McClay and Food Safety Minister Andrew Hoggard welcomed outcomes to boost agricultural and food trade between New Zealand and China. A number of documents were signed today at Government House that will improve the business environment between New Zealand and China, and help reduce barriers, including on infant formula ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • NZ and China launch Services Trade Negotiations
    Trade Minister Todd McClay, and China’s Commerce Minister Wang Wentao, today announced the official launch of Negotiations on Services Trade between the two countries.  “The Government is focused on opening doors for services exporters to grow the New Zealand’s economy,” Mr McClay says.  As part of the 2022 New Zealand-China Free Trade Agreement Upgrade ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Prime Minister Luxon meets with Premier Li
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon met with Chinese Premier Li Qiang at Government House in Wellington today.  “I was pleased to welcome Premier Li to Wellington for his first official visit, which marks 10 years since New Zealand and China established a Comprehensive Strategic Partnership,” Mr Luxon says. “The Premier and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Government and business tackling gender pay gap
    The coalition Government is taking action to reduce the gender pay gap in New Zealand through the development of a voluntary calculation tool. “Gender pay gaps have impacted women for decades, which is why we need to continue to drive change in New Zealand,” Acting Minister for Women Louise Upston ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Funding Boost for Rural Support Trusts
    The coalition Government is boosting funding for Rural Support Trusts to provide more help to farmers and growers under pressure, Rural Communities Minister Mark Patterson announced today. “A strong and thriving agricultural sector is crucial to the New Zealand economy and one of the ways to support it is to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Latest data shows size of public service decreasing
    Spending on contractors and consultants continues to fall and the size of the Public Service workforce has started to decrease after years of growth, according to the latest data released today by the Public Service Commission. Workforce data for the quarter from 31 December 23 to 31 March 24 shows ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Speech to the Law Association
    Thank you to the Law Association for inviting me to speak this morning. As a former president under its previous name — the Auckland District Law Society — I take particular satisfaction in seeing this organisation, and its members, in such good heart. As Attorney-General, I am grateful for these ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • 25 years on, NZ reaffirms enduring friendship with Timor Leste
    New Zealand is committed to working closely with Timor-Leste to support its prosperity and resilience, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says.   “This year is the 25th anniversary of New Zealand sending peacekeepers to Timor-Leste, who contributed to the country’s stabilisation and ultimately its independence,” Mr Peters says.    “A quarter ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Inquiry requested into rural banking
    Promoting robust competition in the banking sector is vital to rebuilding the economy, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says.  “New Zealanders deserve a banking sector that is as competitive as possible. Banking services play an important role in our communities and in the economy. Kiwis rely on access to lending when ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Ministry for Regulation targets red tape to keep farmers and growers competitive
    Regulation Minister David Seymour, Environment Minister Penny Simmonds, and Food Safety Minister Andrew Hoggard have today announced a regulatory sector review on the approval process for new agricultural and horticultural products.    “Red tape stops farmers and growers from getting access to products that have been approved by other OECD countries. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Government to reverse blanket speed limit reductions
    The Coalition Government will reverse Labour’s blanket speed limit reductions by 1 July 2025 through a new Land Transport Rule released for public consultation today, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says.  The draft speed limit rule will deliver on the National-ACT coalition commitment to reverse the previous government’s blanket speed limit ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Chair appointments for NZSO, CNZ and NZ On Air
    Minister Paul Goldsmith is making major leadership changes within both his Arts and Media portfolios. “I am delighted to announce Carmel Walsh will be officially stepping into the role of Chair of the New Zealand Symphony Orchestra, having been acting Chair since April,” Arts Minister Paul Goldsmith says.  “Carmel is ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Government focus on long-term food, fibre growth
    Food and fibre export revenue is tipped to reach $54.6 billion this year and hit a record $66.6b in 2028 as the Government focuses on getting better access to markets and cutting red tape, Agriculture Minister Todd McClay and Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones say. “This achievement is testament ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Govt consulting on cutting red tape for exporters
    A new export exemption proposal for food businesses demonstrates the coalition Government’s commitment to reducing regulatory barriers for industry and increasing the value of New Zealand exports, which gets safe New Zealand food to more markets, says Food Safety Minister Andrew Hoggard.  “The coalition Government has listened to the concerns ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • New Zealand and Philippines elevating relationship
    New Zealand and Philippines are continuing to elevate our relationship, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says.   “The leaders of New Zealand and Philippines agreed in April 2024 to lift our relationship to a Comprehensive Partnership by 2026,” Mr Peters says. “Our visit to Manila this week has been an excellent ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Paid Parental Leave increase to help families
    Workplace Relations and Safety Minister, Brooke van Velden says paid parental leave increase from 1 July will put more money in the pockets of Kiwi parents and give them extra support as they take precious time off to bond with their newborns. The increase takes effect from 1 July 2024 ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Defence increases UN Command commitment
    The number of New Zealand Defence Force (NZDF) personnel deployed to the Republic of Korea is increasing, Defence Minister Judith Collins and Foreign Minister Winston Peters announced today.  NZDF will deploy up to 41 additional personnel to the Republic of Korea, increasing the size of its contribution to the United ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • New Zealand to attend 'Summit on Peace in Ukraine' in Switzerland
    New Zealand will be represented at the Summit on Peace in Ukraine by Minister Mark Mitchell in Switzerland later this week.    “New Zealand strongly supports Ukraine’s efforts to build a comprehensive, just, and lasting peace,” Foreign Minister Winston Peters says.   “Minister Mitchell is a senior Cabinet Minister and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Big step forward for M.bovis programme
    Farmers’ hard work is paying off in the fight against Mycoplasma bovis (M. bovis) with the move to a national pest management plan marking strong progress in the eradication effort, says Biosecurity Minister Andrew Hoggard.  “The plan, approved by the Coalition Government, was proposed by the programme partners DairyNZ, Beef ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Build To Rent opening welcomed by Housing Minister
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Housing Minister Chris Bishop formally opened a new Build to Rent development in Mt Wellington this morning. “The Prime Minister and I were honoured to cut the ribbon of Resido, New Zealand’s largest Build to Rent development to date.  “Build to Rent housing, like the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Agriculture to come out of the ETS
    The Government will deliver on its election commitment to take agriculture out of the New Zealand Emissions Trading Scheme (NZ ETS) and will establish a new Pastoral Sector Group to constructively tackle biogenic methane, Coalition Government Agriculture and Climate Change Ministers say. Agriculture Minister Todd McClay says New Zealand farmers ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Luxon Tokyo-bound for political and business visit
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon will travel to Japan from 16-20 June, his first visit as Prime Minister.   “Japan is incredibly important to New Zealand's prosperity. It is the world’s fourth largest economy, and our fourth largest export destination.  “As you know, growing the economy is my number one priority. A strong economy means ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Bayly travels to Singapore for scam prevention meetings
    Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs, Andrew Bayly, travels to Singapore today to attend scam and fraud prevention meetings. “Scams are a growing international problem, and we are not immune in New Zealand. Organised criminal networks operate across borders, and we need to work with our Asia-Pacific partners to tackle ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
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