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F*ck democracy

Written By: - Date published: 9:30 am, December 10th, 2008 - 17 comments
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No Right Turn has an excellent post pointing out that National is misusing urgency in a manner unseen since the bad old days of Douglas and Richardson:

You have to go back to Douglas and Richardson to see this sort of abuse of the Parliamentary process. And if this is how National intends to run Parliament – as if the change to MMP had never happened, and this was still an FPP elected dictatorship

Frankly this is a disgusting and anti-democratic abuse of urgency. As NRT points out NZPA is reporting that many of the bills haven’t been drafted and some don’t even have names!

The National/Act tactic is clearly designed to leave little time for debate and disclosure of their plans and to ensure that anyone with an opposing view is left with as little time as possible to analyse and critique them.

And while we’re talking about ramming unpleasant legislation through, expect the fire at will bill to come up tomorrow. Merry Christmas.

17 comments on “F*ck democracy ”

  1. Zoup 1

    Is there a case for a citizens initiated referenda on this one? I know it would kick in well after the fact if succesful however it does provide a way to keep the issue fresh.

    I for one would be a starter if anyone else is interested in getting involved in setting this up.

    captcha: ‘Trenton was’
    Was what? Employed maybe?

  2. Lew 2

    Shortly after the House resumed at 0900, Darren Hughes requested that the bills about to be debated be tabled so members could read them before debating them. Just before 1000 he asked what progress had been made, and was told by the Speaker that under urgency there is no requirement to table a bill before it is introduced – which means that the bill has to be read, analysed and understood as the first-reading debate is taking place.

    And another thing – as urgency was accorded yesterday after a heavily truncated Address in Reply debate, Cullen sought leave for Question Time to be duly held today and tomorrow `so the Ministers in the new government can be held to account’. Leave was denied by government members – this isn’t customary, even in urgency, and toward the end of their term I seem to recall the former government holding Question TIme as usual, even under urgency.

    L

  3. IrishBill 3

    Lew, do you mind if I put your comment into a post?

  4. Lew 4

    IB: Fine by me.

    L

  5. Graeme 5

    Leave was denied by government members – this isn’t customary, even in urgency, and toward the end of their term I seem to recall the former government holding Question TIme as usual, even under urgency.

    Your other complaints – all perfectly reasonable.

    However, this is very customary under urgency.

  6. Lew 6

    Graeme: Hm, after a bit more looking around it seems you’re correct. Perhaps I’m misremembering the Question Times under urgency in the old government?

    L

  7. At the end of the last Parliament, Labour dropped out of urgency to allow Question Time. It was the Greens’ condition for supporting urgency in the first place.

  8. Graeme 8

    Interesting theory, Steve, but it doesn’t match reality.

    After question time on Tuesday 23 September 2008, the House went into urgency. The House then sat on the 24th, 25th, and 26th of September under urgency, and there was no question time on any of those days.

    After question time on on Tuesday 2 September 2008, the House went into urgency. The House then sat on the 3rd, 4th, and 5th of September under urgency, and there was no question time on any of those days.

  9. What a violently anti-democratic government we have now.

  10. ah well, Graeme, they certainly have done that at some point, dropping out of urgency for QT.

  11. Iistening to Parliament. National MPs costantly claiming their tax package will help those onlow incomes. Incompetent or liars?

  12. Mr Magoo 12

    Steve: Why is this an either/or situation again??

  13. Chris G 13

    SP, yeah hardout.

    Cullen and Goff were awseome in their speeches. Particularly Goff getting that twit David Bennett. Mallard was alright at getting John Hayes.

    the best calls at them were what Bennett and Hayes will tell their electorate re. it being a tax hike.

    Then enter Bill English who pretty much just gave the KiwiBlg et al line of ‘We won, eat that’

  14. Swampy 14

    Savant is 100% wrong of course. Labour used urgency the same way last term. Most recently Mallard snuck amendments to Kiwisaver into the end of term urgency just before the election. And then there was the retrospective validation of unlawful parliamentary spending after the 2006 election. Have a closer look Mr Savant, you’ll find countless other examples…if you have the courage to.

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