Getting ALL the facts right
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9:48 am, February 12th, 2008 - 26 comments
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This contribution was sent through by a reader who did some digging after reading that Helen Clark’s research is letting her down in terms of the National party’s voting record on settlement of historical claims (NZ Herald, Political Diary, 9 Feb 2008, offline). It looks like National weren’t that thorough either.
The suggestion that National voted for the Ngaa Rauru Kiitahi Settlement Act is actually incorrect. At the last hurdle they pulled out and voted no, in Gerry Brownlee’s words, ‘We are voting against it because it will not achieve settlement.’ (To be fair they did support it right up to the third reading).
It might be a little pedantic but when you start to criticise someone for getting their facts wrong, I guess you can expect the spotlight to end up back on you.
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Ka nui te mihi kia koutou. Ka mihi ki te mana whenua ko Ngāti Whātua Ōrākei. Kia ora and good morning everyone. Thank you Fran and Simon for inviting me here today, and importantly your leadership of this forum over several years now. I want to acknowledge David Gehrenbeck, Deputy ...2 hours ago
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- Protecting New Zealand from foreign interference
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- Next steps for Regulatory Standards Bill
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- Red Tape Tipline goes live
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- Youth Parliament 2025 announced
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- Police stats show promising change
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- Better coordination of anti-scam efforts
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- Minister to consider 7AA select committee report
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You mean National performed a last minute flip-flop on an issue and totally disowned their previous position, which until that point thay had passionately defended? Incredible.
Actually Steve, changing voting position between readings is quite common-place.
If you or I were opposed to a bill going through, but felt that it deserved public submission and a proper debate, it would be entirely consistent to vote “For” it at the first or even second reading (does SC come before or after reading #2?)
Quite a few MP’s did that with the Prostitution Reform Act.
Additionally, while we’re talking about ALL facts, wouldn’t it be worth looking into changes to the bill/act between readings 2 and 3?
Last minute legislative changes are a regular feature of the current administration…
On a complete side-issue, and just because this topic is about getting the facts straight (and because it isn’t politics – boy am I going to be tired of politics by election time).
Have a peek at this link at In a strange land Maybe mothers aren’t parents. It observes that The New Zealand Families Commission new website has
Seems like a rather large!!! oversight. The rest of the post by Deborah displays a wry humour.
I’m a little less humoured by it. Perhaps the commission should stop thinking less about vocal lobby groups and more about how families operate.
Damn – I drifted back into politics again – that is a really bad habit I’m picking up..
Steve – Phil is correct. Over the past 20 or so years, the work of the select committees has become steadily more important in the house. While often still quite partisan, it is not uncommon for a bill to be substantially altered in committee to the point that you actually get most of the house able to vote for it.
Consequently it is common practice for parties to vote for bills to go before the select committees to see what can be done about them. More importantly, bills ground through the select committee processes are often better than as originally drafted. Groups from outside parliament like poking bloody great big holes in the bill that are better handled before a bill becomes an act. For instance, despite all of the hoopla over the EFB, the bill coming out of select committee was substantially better than when it went in.
I regard this as a trend in NZ politics to be fostered. Also reading their transcripts is a lot more fun than reading the transcripts of the house – so I suppose it has better entertainment value as well.
On a side note about getting the facts correct. Have a look at this post at In a strange land (definitely getting to be a favorite blog to read for me) – “Maybe mothers aren’t parents“.
Deborah is pointing out a curious omission at the The New Zealand Families Commission website.
Oh dear… Bet that gets fixed in a hurry.
It isn’t just pedantic, it is pathetic. Are you going to correct his spelling now too?
One tiny inconsequential error and you lot probably now feel comfortable ignoring the whole story about Labour being led by a blatant liar.
On an unrelated issue, when you start to accuse someone of being paid to blog, I guess you can expect the spotlight to end up back on you and your free server and hosting.
[lprent: asked and answered as you are quite well aware.
You’ve been noted for personal attacks previously, and that last sentence is a direct attack on my veracity. Read the Policy and About pages.
IrishBill has previously commented that you sometimes contribute. After having scanned back over all of your comments, I cannot see why. I cannot see any contribution to debate. Just seems like mindless attack mode on all of the time. The only difference between you and a troll is that you write your own lines, don’t repeat them too frequently, and shuffle multiple ones in different orders between messages. It is possible that you act differently on other blog sites. But since I seldom read comments elsewhere, so I’m just looking at what you write here.
I’ve put you into moderation. I will let through comments that contain an argument and are not simply assertions.]
Good catch, and good call for recognising the minor correction that it is.
It was a still an extremely bad call by Clark and she should do the decent thing and retract it.
Well spotted I guess. I assume I missed the correction of Clark’s blatantly wrong assertion that National never voted for Treaty Settlements during Labour’s tenure?
Just so we’re clear…
Helen Clark said National voted for 0 of Labour’s Treaty bills.
David Farrar said they voted for 8.
Your reader said the real total is 7.
Farrar apologises for being only 7/8 correct.
Clark fails to apologise for being 0/8 correct.
And you fail to mention it.
Have you apologised for Iwi/Kiwi, John?
Planning to?
So John, outta that cupboard yet? Nah, you’re back in after those abysmal FSC billboards. Don’t worry mate – all the real talent’s unavailable at the mo'(I noticed Textor is helping our mate Cameron out and I’d say the US is drawing some serious resource now too) – I’m sure even an old hack like you can make a go of it again…
I wouldn’t worry, John. Clark lying is hardly newsworthy anymore. Her sychophants don’t even attempt to defend her. Time to move on.
Thank you westmere and Robinsod, right on cue.
I just won a bottle of wine for betting that you guys would immediately change the subject from your boss’s work of fiction to something about billboards.
Cheers!
But Bro, I only mentioned the billboards as an aside to a comment on your declining career – tell you what mate, give me half the wine and I’ll let you know how to arrest the slide… Nah, actually I don’t think I will.
John – Mr Porton is nothing if not predictable.
So, have you apologised for Iwi/Kiwi, John?
Planning to?
And why didn’t Key take one of your billboards to Waitangi?
TDS – billboards are the only decent work the dudes done. What else would I hit him up on – his crappy taste in “vintage” leather jackets? (by the way John, I hope you didn’t pay “vintage” prices for that). Love your work – both of you.
Off topic personal attacks are your stock-in-trade Mickey.
When are you going to apologise for those?
Ha! – Called to account by a professional troll! That’s the best laugh I’ve had for days bro. Keep it up!
OK, a roundup so far…
Mr Robinsod’s responses:
1. I’m an old hack.
2. My career is declining.
3. Billboards are the only decent thing I’ve ever done (ta).
4. I don’t share his (presumably impeccable) taste in clothes.
Mr westmere asks:
1. Whether I’ve apologised for Iwi/Kiwi.
2. Whether I plan to.
3. Why Mr Key didn’t take one of my billboards to Waitangi. (?)
The Left’s total contribution to the debate…
Diversionary insults: 7
Response to comment: 0
Game, set and match. Thank you linesmen, thank you ballboys.
[lprent: I believe the comment he was referring to was this one. Couldn’t remember it with all of the flaming going on.]
John Ansell- as someone who blatantly lied and incited racial hatred in this country with your iwi/kiwi billboards you have no right to demand apologies or even common decency from anyone else.
My advice is to keep up the poetry – I think you’ll be needing it after your latest billboard effort.
He’s really so dumb he doesn’t get it, eh?
John a word of advice – I don’t give a fuck about your game set whatever. I’m just pleased I got the chance to burn you. In public. Given the judgment you’ve shown in allowing me to do so I can see why you’re not considered a particularly safe pair of hands…
Surely “Diversionary insults” is a pretty good summary of your billboard campaign, John.
Hmmm, perhaps he trolling here for new ideas…
Helen Clark said National voted for 0 of Labour’s Treaty bills.
Strictly speaking John, HC said she was scratching to think of any they voted for. Guilty of a faulty memory is all. Whereas you are guilty of misquoting to attempt a political smear. That’s hollow.