web analytics

Says it all

Written By: - Date published: 8:00 am, September 14th, 2009 - 16 comments
Categories: john key, national/act government, workers' rights - Tags:

From the firefighters’ protest against John Key’s pay freeze:

6n_firefighters_110909_320

Really highlights the double standard in a government that tolerates Bill English’s rorts then has the cheek to turn around and tell the rest of us to show restraint.

On another note, it was interesting to see in the 3 News piece John Key using private sector pay freezes as an excuse not to give these firefighters a pay rise. It’s the same argument English is using for the rest of the public sector.

Funny thing is, when I talk to my friends in the unions they tell me private sector employers are justifying their zero wage offers by referencing the government’s public sector wage freeze.

This is usually followed by “we’ve all got to be aware of what’s happening out there, you know, plenty of people are taking a pay cut this year, why you’re just lucky you’ve got a job at all.”

Which, in essence, is basically what John Key told the firefighters in the picture. For a man who claims he wants wages to rise John Key sure seems to spend a lot of time talking them down.

16 comments on “Says it all”

  1. Tim Ellis 1

    I can’t speak for other private sector organisations Eddie, but where I work the justification for a headcount freeze and nil baseline increases is that we have a recession. It isn’t because of the public sector.

    It seems to me that Labour doesn’t quite understand the impact of an economic recession. Labour is pushing for increased redundancy provisions and higher wage increases throughout the economy but doesn’t understand there is less money to go around. If you try and ratchet up wages in a recession then more jobs will be lost.

    • r0b 1.1

      It seems to me that Labour understands the nature and impact of recessions a whole lot better than National. Labour spent 9 years reducing debt and strengthening the economy because they knew this day would come. Labour had a thorough and detailed response to the recession planned – National have a “cycleway”?

      Labour didn’t make obviously unsustainable promises about tax cuts to win an election and then turn right around cancel them with unseemly haste. National told us that tax cuts stimulate growth and would be the centre piece of their response to the recession. They obviously didn’t believe a word of it or they wouldn’t have cancelled them. Mean time Labour have been consistent – we need a high wage high savings well educated society.

      National haven’t a clue. They have no constructive response to the recession. Their only course of action has been the old conservative instinct to retreat back in to their shell – cut cut cut – how unambitious. So, sorry Tim, It seems to me that Labour understands the nature and impact of recessions a whole lot better than National.

      • Tim Ellis 1.1.1

        This would explain why r0b Labour’s spending plans would add $6 billion in debt, and why after nine years of Labour government we have a decade of deficits ahead of us.

        This would explain why Labour went into an election governing over a country that entered a recession nine months before the US markets crashed.

        Nice to see you have more faith in the Labour Party to come up with the answers than the public do though.

        Captcha: “Learnings”. I hate that word.

        • Pascal's bookie 1.1.1.1

          Timmeh!!

          How much debt would Brash have saddled us with?

          How much influence did helicopter ben have on staving off a US market crash, and dop you think our RB should have followed his lead?

        • r0b 1.1.1.2

          $6 billion in debt, and why after nine years of Labour government we have a decade of deficits ahead of us.

          Labour would spend money to make money – for the country. National are taking on debt – to give tax cuts to those that don’t need them. Spot the difference?

          entered a recession nine months before the US markets crashed.

          NZ headed in to recession along with several other countries. But the reasons for it were little to do with the Labour government. According to
          Allan Bollard:

          “The international financial crisis actually played little role in the early part of New Zealand’s economic recession. Rather, it was drought, falling house prices and high petrol prices that dragged New Zealand GDP growth negative over the first three quarters of 2008″.

          Nice to see you have more faith in the Labour Party to come up with the answers than the public do though

          Let me know when Labour get as low in the polls as National after the 1999 election Tim!

          • Tim Ellis 1.1.1.2.1

            Labour would spend money to make money for the country. National are taking on debt to give tax cuts to those that don’t need them. Spot the difference?

            Buying Toll was a good example of this how, r0b? Does paying three times the value for a train set demonstrate your idea of “spending money to make money”?

            You know National’s tax cuts weren’t funded by debt. They were fully funded by making changes to kiwisaver.

          • r0b 1.1.1.2.2

            Buying Toll was a good example of this how, r0b? Does paying three times the value for a train set demonstrate

            The “train set” framing is pathetic Tim, grow up. Figures on the “three times the value” claim please. The KiwiRail buy back was a very popular move, and National have adopted KiwiRail as part of their response to the recession and infrastructure spending, only possible because Labour were ambitious enough to recover this vital asset for NZ.

            your idea of “spending money to make money’?

            You conservatives have no idea what to do Tim, so all you can manage is to whine and criticise those that were taking action. Its unambitious and its boring.

    • If employers can afford to pay, which is partly what negotiation is used to determine, then they should. The recession has not uniformly affected all economic activity in NZ. So it is dishonest, to put it politely, for ‘Double Dipton‘ and the PM to be publicly manufacturing consent for a proxy wage freeze for those with some bargaining power. It amounts to the usual tory union busting behaviour.

  2. lprent 2

    That placard really does say it all. Rather than deal with the issue the government simply raises the entitlement. The turns around and pleads hardship.

    Perhaps they should reverse the taxcuts. Then they’d be able to afford cost of living increases.

    The taxcuts simply dropped into a hole. The didn’t stimulate the economy. Are not showing up in investment. In fact they have effectively disappeared. The only effect has been for the government to run out of money

  3. ieuan 3

    I get totally sick of this ‘tax them until they bleed’ attitude that comes from Iprent and others around here.

    I’m happy to pay my taxes but I want a government that sends this money responsibility. That applies to both Labour and National.

    Every single Minister that sits on a budget should treat the money as if it is coming out of their own pocket, tax money doesn’t come from some bottomless pit to be thrown around on some gigantic spend-a-thon.

    Taxes come from ordinary harding working New Zealanders and if the government spends more than they receive some future tax payer has to cover the debt.

    • Draco T Bastard 3.1

      I get totally sick of this ‘tax them until they bleed’ attitude that comes from Iprent and others around here.

      If we want and need the services provided, and we do, then we need to pay for them. This is done by taxing people.

      Taxes come from ordinary harding working New Zealanders and if the government spends more than they receive some future tax payer has to cover the debt.

      So, what’s with the tax cuts to the rich who exploit everyone else for their income and are, in reality, worthless?

    • lprent 3.2

      Actually I’d agree with almost all of that.

      However, I think that the taxcuts last year from both Labour and National were a bad idea. We’d been running tax-take surpluses for a number of years and using them to run down and eliminate the Muldoon, Douglas and Richardson debt. It was pretty damn obvious in 2007 (personally I’d say 2006) that we were heading into a recession and the governments costs would rise while their income would decrease.

      So both parties went into a taxcut bidding war. That was outright foolishness. What I’m suggesting is that a responsible government would reverse all of those tax changes

  4. Mike 4

    I don’t think moving the top tax rate to 39 cents in the dollar from 38 cents is really ‘taxing them till they bleed’ but then I’m not an ideologue.

  5. George.com 5

    For the type of work they do, I think the fire fighters do deserve a pay increase. With inflation calculated at 1.9% a cost of living increase at the minimum is justified. As for the likes of nurses, teachers, prison guards etc getting ‘large pay increases’, I suspect if Bill English released actual figures it would show the increases of the last few years are cost of living or thereabouts. An exception wouldbe the nurses large pay increase of a few ywars back.

  6. not the real Ken Douglas 6

    The rort is not only in the public sector it happens on a daily basis in the private sector. For instance look at Air NZ’s CEO Rob Fyfe. Back in May Fyfe publishes, in his weekly blog, a wage fix of 2.5% for those earning less than $50,000, a 2.0% to 1% increase for those earning between $50k-$80k and nothing for those earning above $80k. Sighting “the impact of the economic recession” as the reason for this wage fix.

    Further on in his blog he adds “the freeze on base pay and terms and conditions that is already in affect for myself and my direct reports will continue” low and behold come August 27 when the financial records are released he gets a whopping $2.28 million but hey his wage didn’t increase it was just his bonus…….

    I won’t start on Paul Reynolds

    What is the fix? Organise!

    IrishBill: While I agree with your sentiment we have a policy about identity theft. I’ve adjusted your handle accordingly. Please make sure that if you comment here again you do so under your own name or a unique handle.

Links to post

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • Low-emissions options for heavy transport a step closer
    Getting low-emission trucks on the road is a step closer with investment in infrastructure to support hydrogen vehicles, the Energy and Resources Minister Megan Woods has announced. The Infrastructure Reference Group has provisionally approved $20 million for New Plymouth company Hiringa Energy to establish a nationwide network of hydrogen-fuelling stations. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 hour ago
  • New training centre to upskill workers
    A new trades training centre to upskill the local workforce will be built in the South Waikato town of Tokoroa through funding from the Government’s COVID-19 Response and Recovery Fund, Education Minister Chris Hipkins and Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones have announced. The Government will contribute $10.84 million from ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 hours ago
  • Subsequent children legislation to change
    The Government has agreed to repeal part of the Oranga Tamariki Act subsequent children provisions, Minister for Children Tracey Martin announced today. “There are times when children need to go into care for their safety – the safety and care of children must always be paramount,” Minister Martin said. “But ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 hours ago
  • Funding to expand mental health support for Pacific peoples
    A $1.5 million boost to grow primary mental health and addiction services for Pacific peoples in Auckland, Hamilton and Canterbury will lead to better outcomes for Pacific communities, Associate Health Minister Jenny Salesa says.  Pasifika Futures has received funding to expand services through The Fono, Aotearoa New Zealand’s largest by ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 hours ago
  • Funding boost for sustainable food and fibre production
    Twenty-two projects to boost the sustainability and climate resilience of New Zealand’s food and fibres sector have been announced today by Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor. The $18m funding will deliver practical knowledge to help farmers and growers use their land more sustainably, meet environmental targets, remain prosperous, and better understand ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 hours ago
  • Mature Workers Toolkit launched on business.govt.nz
    Employment Minister Willie Jackson welcomes an initiative that assists employers to get mature workers into New Zealand small businesses. The disadvantages that older people face in the workplace was highlighted in the whole of Government Employment Strategy.  In order to address this, a Mature Workers Toolkit has been developed and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 hours ago
  • Trans-Tasman cooperation in a COVID-19 world
    New Zealand and Australia reaffirmed today the need for the closest possible collaboration as they tackle a global environment shaped by COVID-19, Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters said. “In these challenging times, our close collaboration with Australia is more vital than ever,” said Mr Peters. Mr Peters and his Australian ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 hours ago
  • Pike recovery efforts now in unexplored territory
    The recovery and forensic examination of the loader driven by survivor Russell Smith means the underground team are now moving into an area of the Pike River Mine that has not been seen since the explosion, Minister Responsible for Pike River Re-entry Andrew Little said. “The fifth and last robot ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 hours ago
  • Government confirms CovidCard trial to go ahead
    The Government has confirmed a community-wide trial of CovidCard technology as it explores options for COVID-19 contact tracing. “Effective contact tracing is a vital part of the COVID-19 response,” Minister of Health Chris Hipkins said. “While manual processes remain the critical component for contact tracing, we know digital solutions can ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 hours ago
  • Enhanced process for iwi aquaculture assets
    The government is proposing changes to aquaculture legislation to improve the process for allocating and transferring aquaculture assets to iwi. Fisheries Minister Stuart Nash has introduced the Maori Commercial Aquaculture Claims Settlement Amendment Bill to Parliament. It proposes a limited new discretionary power for Te Ohu Kaimoana Trustee Limited (ToKM). ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 hours ago
  • Bill introduced to fix National’s Family Court reform failures
    The Minister of Justice has today introduced the Family Court (Supporting Children in Court) Legislation Bill – the next step in the ongoing programme of work to fix the failed 2014 Family Court reforms led by then Justice Minister Judith Collins.  The Bill arises from the report of the Independent ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    8 hours ago
  • DOC takes action to adapt to climate change
    A new Department of Conservation (DOC) action plan tackles the impacts of climate change on New Zealand’s biodiversity and DOC managed infrastructure including tracks, huts and cultural heritage. Minister of Conservation Eugenie Sage says extreme weather events around the country have really brought home our vulnerability to changing weather patterns. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    8 hours ago
  • Reduced international Antarctic season commences
    A heavily scaled back international Antarctic season will commence this week, Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters and Research, Science and Innovation Minister Megan Woods have confirmed. “Antarctica is the only continent that is COVID-19 free,” Mr Peters said. “Throughout the global pandemic, essential operations and long-term science have continued at ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    8 hours ago
  • New high performance sports hub for Upper Hutt
    The Government is providing up to $30 million to help fund the NZ Campus of Innovation and Sport in Upper Hutt - an investment that will create 244 jobs. “The sports hub is designed to be a world-leading shared service for a range of sports, offering the level of facilities ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    8 hours ago
  • Govt keeps projects on road to completion
    Transport Minister Phil Twyford announced today transport projects currently in construction will continue at pace due to extra Government support for transport projects to mitigate the impact of COVID-19. To keep the $16.9 billion 2018-21 National Land Transport Programme going the Government has allocated funding from the COVID Response and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    9 hours ago
  • First project utilising $50 million ‘shovel ready’ fund for rural broadband announced
    $50 million for further rural broadband digital connectivity has been allocated from the $3 billion infrastructure fund in the COVID Response and Recovery Fund has been announced by Shane Jones, Minister for Infrastructure and Kris Faafoi, Minister for Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media. The investment will go to boosting broadband ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    10 hours ago
  • Ultra-fast Broadband programme hits major milestone with more than one million connections
    The Minister for Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media has congratulated the Ultra-fast Broadband (UFB) programme on its major milestone of connecting more than 1 million New Zealand households and businesses to UFB. “This milestone has been 10 years in the making and demonstrates the popularity of the UFB network. “Uptake ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    12 hours ago
  • Vaping legislation passes
    Landmark legislation passed today puts New Zealand on track to saving thousands of lives and having a smokefree generation sooner rather than later, Associate Health Minister, Jenny Salesa says. The Smokefree Environments and Regulated Products (Vaping) Amendment Bill regulates vaping products and heated tobacco devices. “There has long been concern ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    20 hours ago
  • Government repeals discriminatory law
    A discriminatory law that has been a symbol of frustration for many people needing and providing care and support, has been scrapped by the Government. “Part 4A of the New Zealand Public Health and Disability Amendment Bill (No 2) was introduced under urgency in 2013 by a National Government,” Associate ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    22 hours ago
  • More competitive fuel market on the way
    Kiwi motorists are set to reap the benefits of a more competitive fuel market following the passing of the Fuel Industry Bill tonight, Energy and Resources Minister Megan Woods says.  “This Act is where the rubber meets the road in terms of our response to the recommendations made in the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    22 hours ago
  • Government delivers on rental reforms promise
    The Government has delivered on its promise to New Zealanders to modernise tenancy laws with the passing of the Residential Tenancies Amendment (RTA) Bill 2020 today, says Associate Minister of Housing (Public Housing), Kris Faafoi. “The Residential Tenancies Act 1986 was out-dated and the reforms in the RTA modernise our ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    23 hours ago
  • New rules in place to restore healthy rivers
    New rules to protect and restore New Zealand’s freshwater passed into law today. Environment Minister David Parker and Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor welcomed the gazetting of the new national direction on freshwater management. “These regulations deliver on the Government’s commitment to stop further degradation, show material improvements within five years and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Foreign Minister announces new Consul-General in Los Angeles
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters has announced the appointment of Jeremy Clarke-Watson as New Zealand’s new Consul-General in Los Angeles. “New Zealand and the United States share a close and dynamic partnership, based on a long history of shared values and democratic traditions,” Mr Peters said. “Mr Clarke-Watson is a ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Rental reforms provide greater support for victims of family violence
    Victims of family violence can end a tenancy with two days’ notice Landlords can terminate tenancies with 14 days’ notice if tenants assault them Timeframe brought forward for limiting rent increases to once every 12 months Extension of time Tenancy Tribunal can hear cases via phone/video conference Reform of New ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Apprenticeships support kicks off today
    Two employment schemes – one new and one expanded – going live today will help tens of thousands of people continue training on the job and support thousands more into work, the Government has announced. Apprenticeship Boost, a subsidy of up to $12,000 per annum for first year apprentices and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Infrastructure to transform Omokoroa
    The Government is funding a significant infrastructure package at Omokoroa which will create 150 new jobs and help transform the Western Bay of Plenty peninsula, Urban Development Minister Phil Twyford announced today. Phil Twyford says the Government is investing $14 million towards the $28 million roading and water package. This ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Bill passes for managed isolation charges
    The Bill allowing the Government to recover some costs for managed isolation and quarantine passed its third reading today, with charges coming into force as soon as regulations are finalised. Putting regulations into force is the next step. “The COVID-19 Public Health Response Amendment Bill and its supporting regulations will ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Unemployment drop shows Govt plan to protect jobs and support businesses is working
    Today’s unemployment data shows the Government’s plan to protect jobs and cushion the blow for businesses and households against the economic impact of COVID-19 was the right decision, Finance Minister Grant Robertson says. Stats NZ said today that New Zealand’s unemployment rate in the June quarter – which includes the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • New role to champion reading for children
    A new role of New Zealand Reading Ambassador for children and young people is being established, Prime Minister and Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage Jacinda Ardern and Minister for Internal Affairs and for Children, Tracey Martin announced today. The Reading Ambassador, announced at a Celebration of Reading event at ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Funding boost for Community Law Centres
    Community Law Centres will receive a funding boost to meet the increased need for free legal services due to COVID-19, Justice Minister Andrew Little said. The $3.5m funding is for the next three financial years and is additional to the almost $8 million for Community Law Centres announced in Budget ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • New Zealand joins initiative to boost women’s role in global trade
    New Zealand has joined Canada and Chile in a new trade initiative aimed at increasing women’s participation in global trade. Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker, together with Canada’s Minister for Small Business, Export Promotion and International Trade Mary Ng, Chile’s Minister of Foreign Affairs Andrés Allamand, and Chile’s Vice ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Government provides $2.2m to heritage buildings for quake strengthening
    Building owners around New Zealand have benefited from the latest round of Heritage EQUIP funding with grants totalling $2,230,166. “The Heritage EQUIP grants for seismic strengthening assist private building owners to get the professional advice they need to go ahead with their projects or support them to carry out the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Better hospital care for Northland babies and their whānau
    •    New paediatric facilities, including a Special Baby Care Unit •    Up to 50 extra inpatient beds  •    New lab facilities  Northland babies and their whānau will soon have access to improved hospital care when they need it with Health Minister Chris Hipkins today confirming new paediatric facilities and more ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Green light for Wellington and Wairarapa in $220m nationwide cycleways package
    People walking and cycling between Featherston and Greytown, or along Wellington’s Eastern Bays will soon have a safe shared path, as part of a $220 million shovel-ready cycleways package announced by Associate Transport Minister Julie Anne Genter. “During lockdown we saw many more families and kids out on their bikes, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • New Zealand expresses condolences on passing of Vanuatu High Commissioner
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters today extended New Zealand’s condolences following the death of Vanuatu’s High Commissioner to New Zealand, Johnson Naviti, who passed away yesterday afternoon in Wellington. “Our thoughts are with the High Commissioner’s family and colleagues during this difficult time. This is a terrible loss both to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Government announces allocation of three waters funds for councils
    The Government has today set out the regional allocations of the $761 million Three Waters stimulus and reform funding for councils announced by Prime Minister Hon Jacinda Ardern this month.  "I want to thank Councils around the country for engaging with the Central Local Government Steering Group who have been ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Funding boost for students with highest learning support needs
    Students with high and complex learning needs, as well as their teachers and parents, will benefit from a substantial increase to Ongoing Resourcing Scheme (ORS) funding, Associate Education Minister Martin announced today. “Nearly $160 million will go towards helping these students by lifting their base support over the next four ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Govt connecting kiwis to affordable, healthy food
    Funding for innovative projects to connect Kiwis with affordable, safe and wholesome food, reduce food waste, and help our food producers recover from COVID-19 has been announced today by Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor. “COVID-19 has seen an increasing number of families facing unprecedented financial pressure. Foodbanks and community food service ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Getting infrastructure for housing underway
    Eight shovel-ready projects within Kāinga Ora large-scale developments, and the Unitec residential development in Auckland have been given the go-ahead, Minister for Housing Dr Megan Woods announced today. Megan Woods says these significant infrastructure upgrades will ensure that the provision of homes in Auckland can continue apace. “The funding announced ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Napier walk and cycleway to improve safety
    The Government is funding a new separated walking and cycleway path along Napier’s Chambers and Ellison streets to provide safer access for local students and residents across Marine Parade and State Highway 51, Transport Minister Phil Twyford and Police Minister Stuart Nash announced today. Funding of $2.7 million has been ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago