Iran’s Photoshop job

Written By: - Date published: 2:22 pm, July 11th, 2008 - 23 comments
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From NYT blog The Lede:

As news spread across the world of Iran’s provocative missile tests, so did an image of four missiles heading skyward in unison. Unfortunately, it appeared to contain one too many missiles, a point that had not emerged before the photo was used on the front pages of The Los Angeles Times, The Financial Times, The Chicago Tribune and several other newspapers as well as on BBC News, MSNBC, Yahoo! News, NYTimes.com and many other major news Web sites.

The image below might be the unaltered version, though apparently it’s from the same source as the top one.

23 comments on “Iran’s Photoshop job”

  1. How about Faux News’ use of photoshop to slag off its critics, including allegedly making one look more Jewish (although I can’t see that myself). Links and background: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/08/bill-oreilly-takes-on-emn_n_111432.html

  2. mike 2

    Not as good as Hel’s facial on the pledge card though fella’s

  3. Phil 3

    It’s actually a pretty good looking fake…

    I wonder how long before it gets to http://www.worth1000.com ?

  4. Thanks Chris, Loved the line in response to the question, “Will the NYT respond (to Faux News)?

    No, Times Culture Editor Sam Sifton says, “it is fighting with a pig, everyone gets dirty and the pig likes it.” (Which is actually a response in and of itself, so I presume the pig-fighting’s begun.)

  5. andy 6

    Why should we trust what the NYTimes said(Judith Miller), they could have willingly placed a doctored photo online only to discredit it later. Furthering the meme that Iran (or scary brown people) are untrustworthy, threatening and dangerous nuke toting Muslims.

    The claim that it was released on the Revolutionary Guards website WTF (can’t find it on google so must not exist :))! The US is always an honest actor, and never tells untruths.

    Niger yellow cake
    WMDs in Iraq
    Gulf of tonkin….

  6. I love that the US is building a it’s anti-ballistic missile radar station in the Czech republic and an interceptor base in Poland and says it’s to protect against Iranian missiles.

    Umm, Iran’s missiles can’t reach that far (and you actually need to place your interceptor and radar bases well inside the range of the missiles you want to shoot down)

  7. Falafulu Fisi 8

    Steve Pierson said…
    Umm, Iran’s missiles can’t reach that far

    Over time, the Iranian technology improves and they can reach those targets.

    Those Iranian missiles would be rendered useless by the advanced Israeli Arrow Anti-ballistic Missile defense systems. The arrow system is an advanced version of the Patriot anti-Missile systems that were successfully used in the Gulf war to shoot down Iraqi scuds.

    It was reported in the journal of IEEE Transactions on Automatic Control, that the Israelis had invented some type of superior hybrids of the popular Kalman Filter (KF) algorithm. The development was reported to done at the Israeli’s prestigious Technion Institute (which is the equivalent of world class technology MIT – Massachusetts Institute of Technology). The Israelis KF-hybrids is a self-learning and adaptive, and this is the reason it is very accurate in its kill rate. The Arrow missile with its KF-hybrid control system adapts itself in realtime when it guides itself to the incoming target missile. There are different forms of Kalman Filter available today that have been used in modern electronics for signal de-noising, such as Kalman Filter chip found in computer ICs (Integrated Circuits) as well as mobile devices (such as phones , pda, etc).

    The Iranians are simply suicidal if they fire missiles back to Israel as a retaliation or as a preemptive strike, because Israel’s defense system is far superior than anything Iran possesses at the moment.

  8. Falafulu Fisi 9

    Those missile tests were shown on TV news. So, C’mon guys, you can’t photoshopped those video clips.

    By the way, my last comment (before this one) disappeared when I click the submit button, perhaps it went straight to the Stardard’s spamfolder or being deleted. That message has 3 URLs in it, so perhaps the spamfilter thinks it is spam.

  9. andy 10

    FF

    if you get the captcha incorrect it goes to the pixel grave yard, try again with one link per post!

    You got a link to video? My argument still stands NYtimes and US govt can plant propaganda and then pretend it was bad Iranian agit prop..

    Neither parties are innocent..

  10. T-rex 11

    I’m not sure that’s accurate Steve.

    The Shahab 3 missile is listed as having a range of 2000km with a 1 Ton warhead. From the northern tip of Iran that would allow a strike to within 100km of the southern border of Poland. I think it’s fair to assume that Iran will attempt to further increase the range given they’re trying to use it to project force (whether offensively or defensively is irrelevant to the argument of increased range).

    The point at which interception is attempted is dependent on the type of missile used for interception and the target. You’re correct that standard protocol for ICBM’s is a orbital phase intercept (I think because that allows intercept prior to MIRV launch), but some systems (such as Patriot) are intended for terminal phase intercept. I’m not sure what the system being installed in Poland is intended to be.

    This is not to say I’m sure it’s a good idea. Certainly I think the situation with Russia needs to be very carefully considered. But Iran is not far from having the capability to strike into Europe, is attempting (and well on the way to) developing nuclear weapons, and appears to be led by dangerous extremists who openly advocate the annihilation of Israel. So I can’t quite bring myself to say I think the missile defense system is an entirely bad idea.

  11. Falafulu Fisi 12

    Steve Pierson said…
    Umm, Iran’s missiles can’t reach that far

    Steve, so you think that technology stays static over time? This is naive thinking. We all know that technology progresses and it won’t be too long before Iran perfect their missiles to further the target distance they could possibly reach.

    Anyway, those Iranian missiles would be rendered useless by the advanced Israelis Arrow Anti-ballistic Missile defense systems. The arrow system is an advanced version of the Patriot anti-Missile system that were successfully used in the Gulf war to shoot down Iraqi scuds.

    It was reported in the IEEE Transactions on Automatic Control peer reviewed technical journal that the Arrow systems used some kind of self-learning and adaptive hybrid Kalman Filter signal processing algorithm to perfect the Arrow’s guidance system which scientists at prestigious Technion Institute (Israel’s equivalent of world class technology driven MIT – Massachusetts Institute of Technology in the US). This is the reason why the Arrow’s kill rate is very high.

    Andy said…
    You got a link to video?

    I’ll try and search for it, because the missile test was shown in both TV1 & TV3 news last night.

  12. Falafulu Fisi 13

    Andy, here is one clip I found at YouTube:

    Iran Missile Test! How Will Israel Respond?

    Now, you can tell me if the clip was photoshopped.

  13. T-rex 14

    Fisi – Not nearly as naive as your statement above: “Rendered useless”. That is a stupidly superior attitude, precisely the kind of tech-obsession that made the uninformed elite of the US (note, their generals disagreed with them) think that they could barge in and clean up iraq in a week or two.
    At best, you can increase your odds. Nothing is foolproof, and relying on asymmetric warfare rather than peace to keep you safe is beyond stupid.

    I actually know what all of the terms you use in your third paragraph mean, and I can only say: So?

    Also – there’s two photos there. Clearly ONE of them has been altered, so I don’t know what the hell the video you saw on TV has to do with anything. Quite aside from the fact that it’s painfully obvious that the 4th missile has been added in. Look at the characteristic of the smoke – it’s identical to the one to its right. The odds of that “just happening” are astronomically low.

  14. T-rex 15

    And there you go. 48 seconds into the clip you show – 3 missiles launched. Photo above? 4 missiles launched.

  15. Falafulu Fisi 16

    T-rex said…
    That is a stupidly superior attitude, precisely the kind of tech-obsession that made the uninformed elite of the US (note, their generals disagreed with them) think that they could barge in and clean up iraq in a week or two.

    That’s exactly what happened. Iraq capitulated in about 3 or 4 weeks. Are you trying to re-write history? Of course superior technology does not guarantee a 100% protection against deaths (civilians or otherwise), but the one who possesses superior technology do minimize their casualties and this is an undeniable fact.

    I thought you’re one of those tech-obsession around, am I correct? Do you use a mobile phone? How about a computer? If you go to my village in Tonga, you won’t find a mobile phone or see a computer, even electricity. People still use Kerosene lamps, open fire for cooking, etc… Reason? They’re not in the category of tech-obsession such as you & me where we use them as necessities.

    T-rex said…
    I actually know what all of the terms you use in your third paragraph mean, and I can only say: So?

    It was intended for people like you who claim to know. Isn’t it better to make a point and state clearly of the WHYs? If not why not? MY quote was to explain the imbalance of technology between enemies facing off each other, which if one understands them in general terms then they won’t be fuel by others throwing around the misleading idea that Israel is a laugh. That’s the perspective I am coming from.

    It would be similar if someone is saying (hypothetically) that Frank Baniamarama of Fiji or King Taufa’ahau of Tonga are both test firing their own missiles that perhaps could read NZ? One has only to point out that NZ has superior technology in such and such that could render the Fijian & Tongan missile useless. No, ifs no buts. But if some still insist otherwise, then you know straight away that they have pre-conceived ideas and are hard to be convinced.

    T-rex said…
    Nothing is foolproof,

    Did I say that the Arrow System is fool-proof ? If you think so, can you point out which sentence in my message that indicates that I have said so. Note that I used the term high kill rate not 100%, which the 2 are not the same.

    BTW, if you work in the domain of control systems design/ signal processing, I do algorithm development/consultant in this domain. If you have an upcoming project, perhaps we can chat.

  16. Bill 17

    Read it somewhere then checked out the photo for myself.

    The point made was that the launchers are not equidistant from the camera but the missiles are all the same size.

    And am I alone in thinking that all the missiles look kind of ‘drawn on’?

    Also, the vehicles, as far as I can make out should appear in both pictures too. But enough of ‘Spot the Difference’. There’s no prize.

  17. T-rex 18

    Briefly because I’m trying to sort out this immigration crap.

    1) Iraqs state military capitulated, and the country now remains in the grip of a civil war against insurgent forces who kill coalition soldiers on a regular basis using relatively low tech weapons systems despite the huge technological advantage of the coalition forces. Advanced technology confers a huge advantage, but it certainly doesn’t make you ‘safe’.

    2) The terms you use sound space age-y and give a false perception of a technology imbalance to those that don’t understand them. Kalman filters and neural networks are not new, and do not guarantee any degree of infallability.

    3) The only antimissile systems NZ has are mounted on the frigates. If Tonga or Fiji had missiles capable of reaching NZ I would be very, VERY worried. Tons of if’s, tons of maybes. The soldiers in the barracks at Dhahran probably thought they were safe too – then a Scud got past the patriot system and 28 of them were killed.

    4) You said the arrow system rendered the iranian missile system useless. That implies a 0% chance of failure.

    I cannot help your with employment at present sorry – if you’re after work in the field contact the various consultancy’s, they’re usually looking for engineers.

  18. Falafulu Fisi 19

    T-Rex said…
    Kalman filters and neural networks are not new, and do not guarantee any degree of infallability.

    Correct Kalman Filter (KF) & Artificial Neural Network (ANN) are not new, but what is new is the hybridization of these different algorithms into a new superior performance single-framework-algorithm that was achieved by stand-alone KF or ANN themselves alone. that I stated clearly in my message. That is this is the state-of-the-art that probably evades you. You need to keep up with the literatures man, because you have showed infallibility here. Here is an example of such hybrid : Neural Kalman filter

    There is tons of different hybrids that have been made available in the literatures recently, as Kalman/Wavelet, Kalman/Bayesian, Neural/Fuzzy/Kalman, Genetic/Kalman, Kalman/Support Vector Machines, Kalman/Rough Sets, Kalman/Hidden Markov Model and so forth.

    T-rex said…
    I cannot help your with employment at present sorry – if you’re after work in the field contact the various consultancy’s, they’re usually looking for engineers.

    I am looking to expand my consultancy to get more clients. Control systems design / Signal processing is only part of what I do which ranges from computational economics/finance, image/object recognition & retrieval to content/web search engine numerical modeling.

    T-rex said…
    You said the arrow system rendered the iranian missile system useless. That implies a 0% chance of failure.

    Perhaps our difference is semantics.

  19. john 20

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  20. T-rex 21

    I say again: SO WHAT?

    We’ve jumped from photoshop to defense policy, and now you want to argue the merits of control theory?!? Incidentally, that article you linked to is four years old, I’ve been using the concepts for at least two years. Hell, my version of MATLAB has a toolbox for adaptive filter design. A point which, like every point you made above, is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT!

  21. Falafulu Fisi 22

    T-rex said…
    We’ve jumped from photoshop.

    This whole post was meant to be sensational and I am surprised that someone like you have been taken for a ride? Does it matter if there were 3 missiles or 4 , etc? It wouldn’t change the fact the missile tests took place.

    T-rex said…
    Incidentally, that article you linked to is four years old, I’ve been using the concepts for at least two years.

    That’s just for a quick reference, but there are more that you can find at the School of Engineering Library (Auckland University). Check out their weekly incoming new books/journals that are placed & displayed at the temporary shelf, which after a week these items are then taken to the permanent shelf.

    T-rex said…
    Hell, my version of MATLAB has a toolbox for adaptive filter design.

    You use a toolbox??? Well, I write the real thing in Java, not use a toolbox that has been pre-written by those at MathWorks who do understand & know of how to write them. Besides the only hybrids that I am aware of that exist in the official Matlab toolbox is the ANFIS (Adaptive Neuro Fuzzy Inference System) and that is the only ones. If one has to write his own hybrid , you have to start from a fresh.

    Anyway, technology discussion helps, because some people would start spreading misleading comments, if they don’t understand.

  22. T-rex 23

    HA!

    I can’t just imagine it, malicious rumours flying around that the israelis used an open loop controller rather than ANN hybrid… what would people think!

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    The government has released its Arms Legislation Bill, containing the second tranche of changes to gun laws following the March 15 massacre. And it all looks quite sensible: a national gun register, higher penalties for illegal possession and dealing, tighter restrictions on arms dealers and shooting clubs, and a shorter ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
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  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
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  • The obvious question
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
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    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
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  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
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  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
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  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
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    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Disgust
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
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    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    2 weeks ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
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    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The coming resource war.
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    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    2 weeks ago

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