Jordan Williams words & Nat sexism
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11:51 am, August 18th, 2014 - 42 comments
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Tags: helen kelly, misogyny, sleaze
A couple of telling messages were tweeted today.
First Helen Kelly sent a tweet with an image of an extract from Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics.
It says:
Similarly Jordan Williams offered to write a post for Whale Oil comparing National and Labour women. Slater said “Heh yeah”, and published it the next day under his own name (Jordan William’s, Facebook messaging to and from Cameron Slater, 22 April 2012). The thesis of this pathetic blog post, the point of which was more sexual innuendo against a favourite Labour MP target, was that, contrary to the ‘theory “that Labour Party women are dud roots’ it could be that ‘larger ugly ladies’ put more effort into sex than their ‘slimline bimbo sisters … Could the [MP] be onto something’…
Williams tweeted a reply to Helen Kelly
@helenkellyCTU my advice is to be very careful.
— 𝐉𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐚𝐧 𝐖𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐚𝐦𝐬 (@JordNZ) August 17, 2014
It’s not just sexism from these National Party boys, but outright misogyny.
And as for the reply to Kelly? Is that a threat, or just a bit of a lame joke?
Vote left and respect for women.
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I took it as a threat. Nothing to suggest it was anything else like a smiley face (ha ha). I can’t see how Helen can be done for quoting a book though
It’s Williams who’s going to get “done”. I hope she drags his carcass around the city behind her car. Metaphorically speaking, of course.
law society?
The absolute gall of that disgusting little arsehole Williams is astounding (re Twitter reply)…why would RNZ have this guy on Jim Mora’s panel.
His e mail publication should be the end of any public profile in the future, if he appears on RNZ Panel again (OUR Radio station) we will expect a good explanation from RNZ and Jim Mora.
…especially after they dumped Bomber.
Also the appaling comments suggesting get young nats women drunk to make them sexually available.
Agree Tracey – I likened that particular comment to the Roast Busters’ type of behaviour. And like
Fambo above, I too think Williams has made some sort of threat to Helen Kelly. These are very very nasty people – how does NZ get rid of them ?
The media appear disinterested in this aspect… But no rape culture in NZ
I dont know the answer to how to get rid of it.
Whatever label attached to this behaviour – it’s shameful. I’d never dream of offering to write such a piece of pathetic, drivelling dreck.
And the thing is – there are heaps of men in this country who would agree with me.
Really Mr Williams – go away and never show your face in public again.
I agree, heaps of men I know will be horrified. Sadly when Mr Cunliffe expressed some of that kind of horror he was mocked by the PM and others
I do.
Jordan Williams needs to answer that and clarify what he meant.
He meant it to be sufficiently ambiguous so that the recipient took it as a threat, but he retained plausible deniability.
Hallmark of a smart prick, in other words.
but still not quite so smart as he thought 🙂
Not a whole lot of love lost here.
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/listen-on-demand/audio/tf-helen-kelly-jordan-williams-pt2-18thaug2014
This pearler from Jordan Williams: “The poor in New Zealand live like emperors did a thousand years ago.”
that’s from ACT’s, Jamie Whyte playbook
In some ways that’s true – minimal access to effective primary healthcare, possibly comparable housing quality, and life expectancy in the fifties.
Or possibly non comparable housing quality.
I see what you’re saying though, proly no wifi either.
About the same amount of insulation
they’ve always struck me as draughty, especially with garderobes</a. 🙂
Just listened to Helen Kelly and Jordan Williams.
Kelly’s intelligence and integrity is in such contrast to his lack of both.
Shame she has to put up with people of such insincerity.
I wonder if, in the event that John Key ever reads Hager’s book, he might at least feel like – for just a tiny fleeting moment – apologising for being a man?
Not ‘man’ as in ‘having male genitalia’ but ‘man’ as in the culturally constructed New Zealand man – the man of supposedly few words who sees women as a kind of separate species so is happy to make leery – sorry, ‘non-PC’ – comments about ‘the missus’ and any other woman who might be a topic of conversation.
Or, at the very, very least, might John Key feel like apologising for being a right wing man?
You know, the kind of man who’s happy – as Prime Minister and during a live broadcast – to engage in ‘top 10’ ratings of hot women?
I wonder what his list for ‘dud roots’ would have been? And I wonder which brave, anti-PC crusaders would have defended him if he had provided such a list?
Foul, foul stuff.
A culture of smiling (and giggling) misogyny.
Andrew Geddis’ latest post on Pundit:
http://pundit.co.nz/content/cri-du-c%C5%93ur
A brilliant summation of the book – especially for those of us who have yet to read it.
Could someone ask Geddis if he would allow it to be posted in here?
+1
Jordan Williams seems to be in an interesting position. His Twitter account claims he is a “consultant” at the Wellington law firm/lobbyist outfit Franks & Ogilvie. Up until Tuesday at least, their webpage had him listed as such (google “Jordan Williams Lawyer” and it still comes up as the first link offered).
Go have a look at their webpage now (http://www.franksogilvie.co.nz/gallery/). He’s still there, smiling on the far right of the firm’s photo (appropriately). But do you see him listed on their page anymore? No. No you do not.
Where’s Jordan gone? I do hope they aren’t embarrassed by his actions?
Heh heh:
http://www.tate.org.uk/context-comment/articles/revelation-erasure
Jordan Williams said on one of Jim Mora’s panel discussions a week or so ago, before ‘Dirty Politics’ was published, that he was going to end his work as a lawyer and consultant, and that he would put his whole efforts into the so-called New Zealand Taxpayers Union.
He has chosen to become a full-time lobbyist, so I doubt the release of the book by Hager and the information in it is the reason he is no longer listed with that law firm.
That though does not make his former (and likely still present) attitude and behaviour any more excusable.
Actually, in this audio from 11 July 2014 Jordan Williams explains from about 2 minutes and 40 seconds on, why he is no longer working as a lawyer, and is now fully committed to his bizarre NZ Taxpayers Union:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/thepanel/audio/20141350/the-panel-with-jordan-williams-and-jane-clifton-part-1
So his stepping down as practicing lawyer happened well before the release of ‘Dirty Politics’.
Unless I’m missing something ‘my advice is to be very careful’ coming from a lawyer on a controversial topic would be more likely to be in context of defamation than any kind of physical threat.
It might hoom,… but then again it might not. My experiences 20 plus years ago with similarly nasty right-wing types would indicate some at least will stop at nothing if they feel desperate enough.
Hoon bullying is what it is
Williams claimed it was advice to be careful with respect to defamation – but given the way it was phrased it could easily be seen as a threat – especially in light of his bezzie mate Slater’s propensity for both making and facilitating serious threats.
And why would a far right lawyer think that Helen Kelly either needs or would take legal advice from him?
Anyway – HK wiped the floor with him; it wasn’t quite the cringe inducing incompetence of Key on Morning Report but he was flopping around like a – I was going to say beached whale but I have decided that it is time to rescue those noble mammals from the unpleasant association with Cameron Slater. I haven’t yet decided how to refer to the Well, I’ll Be Fucked blog – any suggestions?
i cant believe how much these guys have come to believe they really are untouchable e such arrogance
Breaking news: first of the emails have been dumped:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11310639
Excellent. Here’s hoping for a long, slow release that has Key and co squirming for the next few weeks.
Is,nt andrew geddis one of the people mentioned in the leaked emails when pete george says Keys behaviour is dispicable you are on the wrong side of history Annae
The drip, drip, drip of parcels of emails confirming Hager’s credibility will be a death by a thousand cuts. It couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch!
Once again Karol I don’t see how a dead spiker and rifle has any relevance.
Mr Key is about to learn what happens when you play gutter politics. I believe you would have read Hargers book so am surprised you’ve learn nothing from it, or was the picture just over-laid again.
The picture was just one in TS’s gallery.
I haven’t got hold of a copy of the book as yet.