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Key’s performance in the House embarrassing

Written By: - Date published: 3:15 pm, May 13th, 2008 - 70 comments
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I’ve just watched the first Question Time in 3 weeks.

After 3 weeks’ recess and lots of potentially juicy material to use, here I was expecting the Leader of Nats to come down to the House and stick the knife into Labour. But instead… what we got was a extraordinarily limp performance by John Key.

He still relies almost totally on questions pre-written on little cards by his advisors, meaning he can’t think on his feet and change his line of questioning based on the answers he is getting, as English can. His attacks fall flat when he returns to the script. This is really just as bad as Brash. His one trick (at least one that Brash could never pull off) is his predictable, pre-rehearsed, snarky one-liner for the media.

Today was particularly bad. I’d be embarrassed if I were Bill English. He stuttered, he was clearly just reading his questions, I thought his lines of attack were weak, then he sat down.

One more thought: Key has no credibility to speak as if he knows what the average Kiwi family is going through with higher fuel and food prices – ha, he’s just got off a plane from Hawaii after spending a good deal of the 3 week Parliamentary recess at his new holiday mansion in Maui. A tough life.

This is the guy who wants to be our PM because, well, just because. At least he took his Hawaiian shirt off before coming into the House.

70 comments on “Key’s performance in the House embarrassing ”

  1. Yet, despite being that bad (in your Opinion), a majority of Kiwis still prefer him to be Prime Minister than that subhuman creature we have now.

    Says a lot about Aunty Helen doesn’t it.

  2. It says a lot about you that you refer to her as ‘sub-human’.

    Lift your language, this isn’t Kiwiblog.

  3. Noddy (used to be Dr.No) 3

    And climbing the peaks of the world and Scandinavian skiing vacations are something the average kiwi does? You guys actually used to have something decent to say but these days it’s getting pretty pathetic mate…

  4. James Kearney 4

    Brett- too far.

    Dr.No- it’s pretty rich for John Key to claim he’s champion of the struggling Kiwi battler when he’s living in a mansion and casually swanning off to Hawaii for his holidays. Good on him for doing well and all but I’d rather he didn’t patronise us with his predictable focus grouped lines.

  5. mike 5

    “Key has no credibility to speak as if he knows what the average Kiwi family is going through”

    Why? Because he has been successful under his own steam. How much does Helen know about family life?
    Key is family man and good on him looking after his family and ensuring they are financially set up for life.

  6. Brett you fucktard. I read you lot with your women-hating and I can’t help but think you’re a bunch of repressed freaks. I recall your type from highschool. I imagine you’re still an acned little oik that no woman in her right mind would come near. Why the fu*k don’t you head back to your little cirlejerk site where you and the other sexless freaks can carry on giving each other greasy little handjobs while banging on with fetid breath about how you’d like to fu*k Carmin Electra. Honestly? freaks like you are so scared of women I almost feel sorry for you.

    [Sod that’s not helpful. You’ve already been warned.]

  7. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. Take a look at your own language regarding Key and other right wing politicians.

    Bu

  8. Tane 8

    No one here has referred to Key and other right wing politicians as ‘sub-human’ or anything approaching it Brett. That is the language of genocide.

  9. Ted 9

    Can any politician – earning at least $113500 and usually with at least three personal staff – claim to be in touch with the concerns of average New Zealanders using your standard Sparkie?

    What about union leaders who from what I understand are rather well remunerated?

  10. Robinsod:

    Take some deep breathes, I didn’t call her subhuman because of her looks or cause she is a woman, (that is such a typical left wing attack)

    My comments had nothing to do with her being a woman, just like my comments against Turia has nothing to do with her being a Maori, its the Policies that make me sick to my stomach.

    I called her that because of her lies and her policies that have taken cash out of the hands of people all around NewZealand, I call her that, because she thinks she has the right to tell people how to think, what to eat, or how to talk.

    I call her that because of her bigoted polices, not because of her Gender, why cant those on the left get that? People on the right couldn’t care less if a Politician is a woman or a man or if they a Maori or if they are a Pakeha, or if they are Straight or Gay.

    Its too bad that all those on the left see.

    PS: Im not a fan of Carmen Electra!

  11. Ted 11

    Just as a sidebar, I find it kind of interesting that you are adopting the same rhetoric as Cameron Slater. He – or one of his sidekicks, it’s unclear – did a post a while back claiming that John Minto couldn’t legitimately criticise the value of property rights or advocate for the poor because he lives in a substantial Auckland villa with an attached flat.

    Now you’re saying someone who leads what is undoubtedly the middle class party can’t legitimately express middle class concerns because he happens to own an apartment in Hawaii. Perhaps Slater should start blogging here.

  12. Tane 12

    Ted, union officials (not to mention leaders) are paid well below market rates for the work they do. You can argue, as many on the right do, that they should work for minimum wage or something approaching it, but given the punishing work union officials do it would be neither fair nor practical.

  13. Ben R 13

    I can’t say I watch much of what happens in the House, other than the occasionaly snippet on the news. Who would be the best speaker these days? Who are the best orators?

  14. Tane:

    genocide???

    Yeppers, get a grip.

    No the Language of Genocide, is a bunch of peace activists telling me the day after 9/11 that “If you bomb the USA, you rid the world of its problems”

    Only someone from the left can be that sick.

  15. Ted 15

    Tane, I think you’ve avoided the substance of my comment.

    The point is that union leaders don’t earn the same amount as the people they represent but they can still represent them adequately. Would you agree with this proposition?

  16. Daveo 16

    Ted – your sidebar. I’ve worked with John Minto and he’s someone who has spent his life working with ordinary New Zealanders struggling on low wages. He may have a decent income himself (a $500,000 house in Auckland hardly qualifies as rich) but I have no doubt he knows what it’s like on the breadline. John Key has never done anything for working people. He has no idea other than what his focus groups tell him to say and no real policy to lift anyone out of poverty.

  17. Brett – I’ve checked out your blog. You’re part of that strange little subculture of lonely angry losers. Your type are better off staying at Whale’s place than coming here. Sorry bro, but that’s just the natural order of things…

    Ted – I think you mean “Just as an aside”. “Just as a sidebar” makes no sense. I thought you were supposed to be an educated tory…

  18. higherstandard 18

    Didn’t Key come from a fairly normal to tough background as a kid with the family in State Housing – surely this combined with his business success puts him in a position to see things from several angles.

  19. Tane 19

    The point is that union leaders don’t earn the same amount as the people they represent but they can still represent them adequately. Would you agree with this proposition?

    Union officials frequently earn less than their members. You seem to have the strange idea that union members are all on low incomes.

  20. James Kearney 20

    Didn’t Key come from a fairly normal to tough background as a kid with the family in State Housing – surely this combined with his business success puts him in a position to see things from several angles.

    He’s from a wealthy background but lived in a state house for a few years after his father died before the money came through. The rest is just PR.

  21. I don’t actually care where Key came from or where he goes on holiday. My concern is that his party consistently pushes policies that hurt the majority of Kiwis while rewarding an elite few and I see no change from that.

    Not that keen on this post veering into the Hawaii envy stuff myself but hey, it’s not my blog…

  22. Ben R 22

    “John Key has never done anything for working people.”

    Isn’t this a limited way of viewing people though? I mean, does that mean Helen Clark cannot relate to people who work in the private sector? Or who have children of their own?

  23. roger nome 23

    Brett what’s the point of this discussion? You’ve been caught out for trying to de-humanise someone that carries a lot of respect in this country, and people are understandably offended.

    Imagine if I went over to K-blog and called John Key a “sub-human” – If I wasn’t banned on the spot I would recieve stream after stream of bile and abuse. Take it on the chin and move on. Otherwise you’re just making this thread all about you, and how interesting is that for everyone else?

  24. higherstandard 24

    James

    That is as bizarre as saying Helen Clark is gay and her marriage to Peter Davis is just PR.

  25. Robinson:

    What was angry about my blog?

    I have done many positive posts about Gordon Ramsay, Ricky Gervais, Garth Brooks, the NewZealand cricket team, I have also done posts about funny signs and Jason Gunn and Tbag from Prison break?

    My blog is very positive in Nature.

    How am I, a lonely angry loser?

  26. Daveo 26

    Isn’t this a limited way of viewing people though? I mean, does that mean Helen Clark cannot relate to people who work in the private sector? Or who have children of their own?

    John Key claims to be the champion of working people and to be deeply in touch with their needs. I’m simply pointing out he’s done nothing for working people except promise to remove their rights. Judge people by their actions not their spin.

  27. Ted 27

    Tane, I could be wrong but I feel safe in saying that Laila Harre for example earns more than most NDU members. The EPMU and PSA are exceptions but I’d guess the same applies to UNITE!, the SWFU and the RMTU (these are the only unions that come to mind).

    Sod, great response bro – you really tore me to shreds. I’m pretty confident that my comment was auxiliary to an earlier comment and presented additional material so I’ll stick with just a sidebar.

  28. James Kearney 28

    That is as bizarre as saying Helen Clark is gay and her marriage to Peter Davis is just PR.

    Helen Clark herself has admitted she married Peter Davis because she was told she had to do so to be electable. I have no doubt their relationship is genuine.

    You can’t deny John Key has parlayed his brief stay in a state house into a PR exercise aimed at softening National’s image after the Brash years.

    Labour might point out that Key’s policies will hurt ordinary Kiwis… but then he’s that guy from a state house isn’t he?

  29. Brett – if you want psychoanalysis then I suggest you pay for it.

    Jeez these lonely angry types will stick to you even if you abuse them – any kind of attention is better than none I guess…

    HS – he has a point mate, I mean Key’s crew have basically promised nothing for workers except a tax cut and having a few of their rights taken off them…

  30. Roger:

    The point is, those on the left can throw as much as mud as they like, but get upset and give false accusations against anyone who doesn’t put Aunty Helen on a Pedestal.

    My comments on Clark, was because of her Policies. But as usual the leftys took it as a post against woman.

  31. Um Ted, you really should look that “sidebar” thing up properly. As for your Laila argument? I’d just give it up now bro.

  32. Ted 32

    Brah:

    1. A short, often boxed auxiliary news story that is printed alongside a longer article and that typically presents additional, contrasting, or late-breaking news.

  33. Robinson:

    Stick to mud slinging and personal abuse, just like your party of choice.

    I rather vote for party that sticks with policies that will help the people of this country.

  34. Tane 34

    I rather vote for party that sticks with policies that will help the people of this country.

    Brett’s voting Green. Well done Brett.

    [captcha: smoke Governments]

  35. Tane 35

    Ted. I’m not sure what your point is. I don’t think what you earn precludes you from representing people on lower incomes, though there is a danger you can become out of touch if you’re not careful. Union leaders are not immune from this, which is why I support democratic unionism where members rather than leaders control their union. As I say, I’m still not sure what your point is.

  36. Ted – that’s a definition that is contextualized by the act of formatting. I could be generous and assume that you mean to use it metaphorically but in this case there is too much shared ground between the tenor and the vehicle for it to escape being effectively a metonymy and frankly? It doesn’t work as such.

    Brett: you wouldn’t know “people” if you bumped into them you retard.

  37. Tane:

    HAHA!

    A party that wants to make Dope legal, a party that has closed off all debate on climate change, a party that will tax everybody so high that noone will have money, a party that will cut all military ties.

    They are probably the worst party that anyone could vote for.

  38. Brett – there is no such word as “noone”.

  39. higherstandard 39

    Sod

    Poppycock to say that Key being raised in a state house was just because it took a few years for his dads money to come through is rubbish.

    One could certainly argue that he had more of ‘normal’ or should we say ‘average’ upbringing than many of those currently in parliament.

    I really can’t see why this blog continues to demonise him the one time he had a chance to actually influence any policy since coming into politics was with s59 in which he sided with Helen – incidentally I disagreed with his position there.

  40. higherstandard 40

    Can you take poppycock out of the moderated words file it’s far better than the usual abuse on the site.

    [lprent: It isn’t in there – cock is, along with tablets, movie, dvd… I’ll give you a guess what the spammers are trying to sell. At present we’re getting the medical dictionary once they found that sex and movies get moderated. If I remove the sex ones from the moderation, we start getting some really disgusting links.

    Somewhere there is either a very good graphics programmer or someone with a *lot* of time on their hands, because they’re getting this stuff through those smudgy recaptcha entries.

    I could give you a list of interesting alternatives that won’t violate the moderation words. The 19th century generated some very interesting explitives]

  41. leftie 41

    Ted…If a union leader helps me achieve great pay and conditions in a contract settlement at work, then they deserve every cent they get!

  42. roger nome 42

    Brett-

    The point is that venting bile by calling respected people names is not a way to start an interesting debate. It’s a way to start a flame war. You messed up. Get over it.

    “A party that wants to make Dope legal”

    Alcahol has a greater cost to society. Should that be banned as well? Als the cost of enforcing prohibition on pot is far greater than what it saves (a recent report commisioned by the government confirms this log-suspected fact).

    “a party that has closed off all debate on climate change”

    We go with what all of the National Science Academies of the industrialised world. Who do you go with? The laughable, rag-tag, pseudo-science organisation that is the “climate science coalition”?

    “a party that will tax everybody so high that noone will have money”

    The Green parties policy is to shift tax from income to pollution/waste, and cut tax for low-income people. Tax wouldn’t be increased.

    “a party that will cut all military ties.”

    No they don’t. And it’s likely that the next regime in the US will thank us for not going into Iraq.

  43. roger nome 43

    HS:

    “Poppycock to say that Key being raised in a state house was just because it took a few years for his dads money to come through is rubbish.”

    Back in Key’s day even middle-class families were eligible for state housing. He was never a pauper.

  44. roger nome 44

    shit – sorry about the grammar all.

  45. higherstandard 45

    Nome

    Not saying he was a pauper however this post portrays him as not knowing about ordinary NZ as per the second to last paragraph of the post – clearly that is wrong as ordinary NZ is where he came from.

  46. Lew 46

    Bloody worthless comment thread, this. Stop your bickering, it’s like bloody Kiwiblog.

    For what it’s worth, I agree that Key’s performance in parliament is weak – he’s clearly not a politician by trade. But as to whether it’s embarrassing; that’s for the caucus to decide, and so far they seem right in behind him.

    The lesson in this is that there’s more to politics than the cut and thrust of the debating chamber. I don’t understand how this comes as a great shock to anyone.

    L

  47. randal 47

    Key’s m.o. is much like the big swinging dicks exemplified in Michael Lewis’ book “Liars Poker”. He has the sort of mentality necessary for firing losers from a brokerage but no politician ever gets those sorts of privileges in a democracy

  48. Pinetree 48

    “Key has no credibility to speak…”

    You’re kidding me right? Benefit of the doubt to you, you’re “having a turkish”….least I hope you are….as I suspect it’s not really a measure by which many in Parliament wish to be judged….

    Anyhow, JK’s perf. during QT in the house – in this day and age, is perception still reality in respect of a public assessment of political skills in that arena…? Probably so, but my guess is many other factors weigh as heavily, and that’s partly a result of QT fulfilling a lesser ‘accountability’ role these days…perhaps more show than susbtance…? Who knows…but still entertaining…

  49. hey 49

    Whoa. This is the new sting line from the left? That Key was ALWAYS a ‘rich prick’? Anyone got anything to support the claim that his mother’s income made her ‘middle class’ by the standards of the day or that after a few years of languishing in a state house ‘the money came through’ and freed him from being in a middle class (single parent) family?

  50. vto 50

    You sound a bit snarky sparkie.

    And envious.

    You know, many people dont givt two hoots about performance in the ‘house’. They are more concerned about getting decent policies in place.

    This imho typifies the blind allegiance to Clark et al – sure they are supremely competent political operators (who can come out with the quick and witty one-liner, and carry out the most sublime back-stabbing political subterfuge, etc) but at the end of the day they have little idea of the type of policies that actually accomplish things (oh, except how to hand out other people’s money – they are good at that)

    A talent at politics does not equate to a talent for anything else.

    It is like you’re all hypnotised by some of those spirally clown glasses.

  51. randal 51

    vto if your opinion is humble then it aint worth very much

  52. “This is the guy who wants to be our PM because, well, just because.”
    Learn about the federal reserve to whom John Key was an “upon invitation only “advisor””
    http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/g-edward-griffin-on-the-federal-reserve-of-new-york/

  53. forgetaboutthelastone 53

    “ordinary NZ is where he came from.”

    show me any other ordinary new zealander who goes to a market and sniffs the vegetables.

  54. higherstandard 54

    forgetfull

    Suggest you log on Eve’s website you would make a perfect couple

  55. Billy 55

    Travellerev uncovers another conspiracy. She’s going at one a day. How long can she keep this up!

  56. Billy,

    there is only one conspiracy. A small group of very rich and powerfull individuals against the rest of us.
    And because you choose to stay uninformed and dumb they can get away with it.

    And higherstandard: o father(yeah I recon you’re a bloke, you act to stupid and aggressive to be a woman)of all ignoramuses keep sending them over, because I get record numbers of hits of people who choose to inform themselves rather than stay stupid.

    First they ignore you, then the ridicule you, then they fight you and then you win. Mahatma Gandi.

  57. Forgetful

    Consider yourself invited

  58. vto 58

    “First they ignore you, then the ridicule you, then they fight you and then you win. Mahatma Gandi.”

    Brilliant

  59. higherstandard 59

    It’s Ghandi, Eve

    Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi.

  60. Billy 60

    Ev, you used the wrong “too” when complaining HS was stupid.

  61. Pascal's bookie 61

    “It’s Ghandi, Eve

    Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

    Make up your mind HS.

  62. English is my second language, I think I’m managing a lot better in your language than you would in mine Billy, try pronouncing “klootzak”
    it’s Dutch for asshole.

  63. Billy 63

    Why would I have occasion to be so base, Travellerev? Remember, I wasn’t the one running around saying everyone who disagreed with me was stupid.

  64. Phil 64

    “show me any other ordinary new zealander who goes to a market and sniffs the vegetables.”

    I love the smell of well grown fresh vegetables. It’s right up there with the ‘new car smell’.

  65. Phil 65

    “First they ignore you, then the ridicule you, then they fight you and then you win”

    I thought it was a line in a Robbie Williams song

  66. higherstandard 66

    PB

    I blame my keyboard !

  67. Billy

    I have absolutely no problem with people disagreeing with me.
    I have put forth links to video’s and websites to help people inform themselves over what is arguably the most important event in recent history. The attacks of 911. I have had record numbers of people come to my site and I take it that this is because people want to learn or even to just have a giggle or whatever.
    If you had informed yourself and found holes in the evidence that a great many professionals and scientists had accumulated over the last 6.5 years and had confronted me with that I would have been happy to accept your proof and get on with my life because it is hard work being a 911 truther. So far I have only heard asinine remarks about being a conspiracy nut but absolutely no evidence to support the official “Conspiracy theory”.
    The official 911 investigation is riddled with contradictions. The collapse of WTC 7 has never even been mentioned in the rapport, and the family members and survivors say that 70 % of their questions have not been answered. We want a new investigation, not because we think we know who did it, but because it scientifically impossible for 19 young men to have been able to do it and now we would like to know who could have done it. We do know that two wars have been started as a result of that day and a third is in the making, so if 19 Arabs could not do it than who did, and if they didn’t do it than why are we engaged in two wars with Arabs (and Pashtuns and other ethnicities)
    If I call you dumb it is not because you disagree with me, but because you lack the where with all to make the effort to educate yourself and draw conclusions based on fact rather that the official hogwash they’ve been feeding us. Informed debate is bringing in valid arguments, not ridiculing someone because she brings facts and arguments to the table to which you have not been previously exposed.

  68. Oh and Billy,

    You say that I see a conspiracy when it concerns John Key and the Federal Reserve of New York, well actually it is not even secret.
    It’s all out in the open. the biographies of all the private owners of the worlds money supply are quit happy to admit to their crimes and they function quit in the open.
    Read this article for example: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0709/S00549.htm
    And the previous link that I gave is a presentation by a guy who has read all these biographies when he researched for his book “the creature from Jekyll Island. You should try just for the fun of it to go to some of these links.

  69. expat 69

    Eve you are a lunatic. Those guys did fly planes into buildings. Their mates did blow up buses in London, their mates did blow up tourists in Bali.

    Go and live in the land of truth somewhere in the middle east if you feel that strongly about living in a capitalist democracy. In fact – You dont deserve to have residency in NZ.

  70. Travellerev:

    You have so much hate for things western, that you believe in the wacko conspiracy theories.

    I suppose all the attacks against Israel are made up to?

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    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago