Lime Sour

Written By: - Date published: 7:17 pm, October 25th, 2018 - 56 comments
Categories: Abuse of power, Deep stuff, Ethics, health and safety, the praiseworthy and the pitiful, transport - Tags: , ,

I’m no killjoy, but I’m itching to chuck my first Lime scooter into a skip.

I’ve seen a ton of them this week, often being ridden by people clearly having terrific fun. I’ve also seen some demented usage; the woman with the leg in plaster wobbling down a busy city street with her crutches tucked under her arm takes the biscuit.

However, the majority of Lime scooters I’ve encountered have been parked up, usually on footpaths but occasionally on drives, lawns and other private property. To be fair, it’s fine by me if someone wants to leave a scooter in my driveway. I’ll simply drive over it. My 4WD loves a challenge.

The reason I’m sour on Lime is that the scooters are overwhelmingly left on footpaths. Navigating past Lime’s e-litter is a nightmare for anyone who is partially sighted, anyone pushing a pram, anyone using a wheelchair.

I’m the kind of guy who moves shop signs into the gutter if they block pedestrians. It’s simply unthinking, selfish behaviour to leave a scooter in a place where it’s going to be an obstacle for other people.

Lime know it’s an issue; their website asks people not to leave them parked irresponsibly. Naturally, that advice is routinely ignored by Lime users, as is the advice to wear a helmet.

Look, I don’t think these scooters will be with us long. Like finger spinners, they’ll fast fade away. But, in the meantime, they’re a nuisance.

I wouldn’t buy shares in the company because fashion fades fast and also because the lawsuits that will inevitably follow on from injuries to pedestrians and the deaths of users in the States will probably mean no profit will ever be made from them.

If you want cheap, efficient urban transport, don’t rent a scooter, people. Buy a bike. They’re genuine fun and the exercise will do you good.

 

 

56 comments on “Lime Sour”

  1. Chris T 1

    I heard today on the radio that the calls to ACC have already started.

    Personally don’t mind as I can move out of the way, but a lot of people can’t. And I’m sorry, but if I see one run into a little kid, “Lime” will get that one back in pieces.

  2. Muttonbird 2

    I get triggered when I see cars parked across footpaths. Really gets my goat up.

  3. JC 3

    “I’m no Kill Joy” But ….

    They’re way bigger than that! And perhaps “A Revolution for urban transport”

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018666855/uber-e-bikes-and-e-scooters

    Currently being trialed in Auckland and ChCh. Sure there’ll be teething issues but perhaps give them a chance …. Curious the difference in response between North and South…

    “Christchurch Mayor Lianne Dalziel said no-one had raised any concerns about the scooters with her.”

    “I’ve only seen a lot of happy, smiling faces around town,”

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/108097101/Auckland-Mayor-orders-urgent-scooter-safety-probe-after-councillor-almost-hit

    Alternatively ; http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/crackdown-on-lime-scooters-all-pedestrians-will-be-required-to-wear-helmets/

    • JC 3.1

      Who takes care of the scooters?

      “There were two types of people responsible for the scooters, Swanson said: Lime’s own team of local “operations specialists”, and independently contracted “juicers” paid to charge the devices.”

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/107911180/the-lowdown-on-lime-scooters-new-zealands-newest-transport-trend

    • Carolyn_Nth 3.2

      Christchurch is just a different layout to Auckland – flat vs hills where they can get up to high speeds, plus a large amount of pedestrians in central Auckland.

      Individual or collective ownership of e-scooters, plus dedicated cycle and scooter ways are the best option, .

      The report of a tryout on Greater Auckland is sobering – more expensive than a bus when going by footpath because of all the hold-ups at intersections – and the scooters costing by the minute. Plus footpaths in poor condition, which makes for a bumpy ride – sounds like not a lot of shock absorbers with the scooter’s hard wheels.

    • The Civilian is s crack up. Classic humour.

  4. RedLogix 4

    Yet if the same scooters where privately owned they’d be looked after and secured out of harm’s way.

    • McFlock 4.1

      Like bikes aren’t? lol.

      I reckon there’d just be fewer of them.

      It’s getting into summer. The free parking area I use for my 49cc will become filled with a maze of chrome randomly chained to available railings, becoming tripping hazards on the stairs and occasionally get bent by a reversing 4wd that just doesn’t give G.A.F. Happens every year in my wee corner.

      • RedLogix 4.1.1

        Ah no. There’s a difference and you know it.

        Provide secure parking for bicycles and it will generally get used. Most people don’t actually want their sometimes expensive bikes stolen or run over.

        But all over the world where it’s been tried, the trashing of ‘free’ non-private bikes, leaving them scattered around without care is the common problem.

        Brisbane has a public e-bike system that works ok by the look of it. But the bikes are locked in their racks and only released with a credit card. Don’t return it and you get pinged.

        • McFlock 4.1.1.1

          Is that an individual ownership issue or simply a higher number of trashable items issue?

          Sure, some cyclists will nab any secure bike cages they can, but others will leave their own bike parked wherever.

          There might be a little bit of rental car syndrome, but if you dump 600 bikes in a city with a x% usage at any point in time, at any point in time you’ll have 100-x% of those 600 laying around the place. Some will be parked carefully, some will be abandoned wherever, and there might also be an uptick of new users who maybe don’t know that bikes leaned somewhere might fall over, or basic bike etiquette.

          edit: I’m not actually against bikes or e-scooters in this instance. I just think tragedy of the commons is an easy answer to a more complex situation.

          • Draco T Bastard 4.1.1.1.1

            I just think tragedy of the commons is an easy answer to a more complex situation.

            1. They’re not in the ‘commons’ as they’re privately owned.
            2. The ‘Tragedy of the commons’ is actually a myth.

        • Carolyn_Nth 4.1.1.2

          The Auckland e-scooters are GPS tracked. To hire ne you need to enter a phone number and credit card details. The Greater Auckland post on it says

          Ending my ride, locking and leaving the scooter was easy although I saw a number of people reporting problems with doing so and being charged quite a bit for their travel.

          And that’s being charged at 30c a minute.

    • Carolyn_Nth 4.2

      I thought they were privately owned – by a company. And they charge users – 30c a minute.

      https://www.greaterauckland.org.nz/2018/10/16/lime-e-scooters-launch-in-auckland/

      • RedLogix 4.2.1

        True, but I don’t think it’s the company who leaves them lying about as TRP is rightly het up about.

        I guess my point is simple enough; private ownership is not necessarily a capitalist evil.

        • Carolyn_Nth 4.2.1.1

          Well in this case, the capitalist company charges users 30c a minute, which will encourage people to go as fast as possible. And that will conflict with any future regulation that requires a 5k speed limit around pedestrians.

      • Draco T Bastard 4.2.2

        Yep, bunch of people looking for rentier income.

    • JC 4.3

      Who takes care of the scooters?

      “There were two types of people responsible for the scooters, Swanson said: Lime’s own team of local “operations specialists”, and independently contracted “juicers” paid to charge the devices.”

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/107911180/the-lowdown-on-lime-scooters-new-zealands-newest-transport-trend

  5. Johnr 5

    The lady host on radio live this afternoon said she was in Santa Monica a week or two ago and e scooters were littering everywhere you looked, so much so that people had piled them up and set fire to them.

    • infused 5.1

      it was implemented pretty badly there, but people need to understand these escooters have been around for years without issue.

  6. joe90 6

    Investors with deep pockets use the app to beat all apps to take advantage of the poorly paid gig economy, ACC, and local body government to socialise their losses and hoover up any gains.

    Marvelous.
    /

    • JC 6.1

      “The advantage of our e-scooters is that they work together with existing public transit options, allowing people to rely less on personal cars …”

      “It’s exactly the kind of thing we want: zero emissions and a lot of fun.” ” said Christchurch Councilwoman Vicki Buck.

      https://www.li.me/blog/lime-down-under-auckland-and-christchurch-nz-join-e-scooter-movement

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/94891232/sports-injuries-cost-nz-500m–more-than-road-carnage

      Sport injuries cost ACC more than road crashes in 2016 with payouts totalling $542 million.

      ACC figures from 2016 show the gap is closing between the numbers of claims from New Zealand’s biggest contact sport – rugby – and claims related to fitness training accidents at the gym.

      “Some 62,337 New Zealanders claimed injuries on the the rugby field in 2016, while 51,319 injuries occurred inside the gym. Nationally, rugby injuries cost New Zealanders $78.2m a year compared with gym injuries at $30.5m.

      • joe90 6.1.1

        Yeah, sport is bad, m’kay. But let’s not put people’s life and limb at risk, add more claimants to a system that routinely fails to fulfill it’s obligations to existing claimants and load policy, policing and cleanup costs onto communities already struggling to deliver basic services so Vicki fucking Buck gets to feel good and offshore investors with deep pockets can make a dollar.

        • JC 6.1.1.1

          Halve the dose Joe!

          I get your Gig. It will be usefull to have a perspective over time as to the benefits, or otherewise, of an alternative urban transport system. Which is currently being trialled over a 3 month period in Auckland, and ChCh. But to jump to an immediate conclusion is premature!

          Some of the issues you raise will be addressed as part of that in due course. And as to offshore investors .. it might be worse…

          Following a Major MVA some years ago I am very familiar with ACC, and it’s faults! But I wont do a Selway..

          The less vehiciles on the road has to be a good thing!

          https://www.transport.govt.nz/resources/road-safety-resources/roadcrashstatistics/

          • joe90 6.1.1.1.1

            Taking vehicles off the road and putting them on the footpaths is a good thing?.

            • JC 6.1.1.1.1.1

              Scooters can be ridden on roads, footpaths and cycleways. The NZ Transport Agency originally said they could not be used in cycle lanes, but later said lanes could be used if riders were impeding traffic, with the expectation they would return to the road once safe to do so.

              I undertand Auckland Council has initaited a review following Christine Fletchers’ “near miss” and are likely to implement further guidelines/bylaws

              • joe90

                Swarms of the fucking things on the roads and the footpaths. Christ, it gets worse.

                • JC

                  As above; Two more companies plan to add another 3500 scooters in Auckland in the coming months.

                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/108097101/Auckland-Mayor-orders-urgent-scooter-safety-probe-after-councillor-almost-hit

                  But then I don’t live there …. fortumately!

                  • Carolyn_Nth

                    I think there is a place for e-scooters, but they do need some regulating.

                    There should be speed restrictions around pedestrians, especially in Auckland’s CBD and busy shopping centres.

                    I haven’t had any problems with them personally, but an elderly woman I talked to did. She is slow moving, uses a walking stick and not that steady on her feet. A scooter whizzing past her was a very scary experience.

                    I saw a guy using the road on Wellesley street heading towards Queen Street (towards Symonds Street). He went down hill, with the traffic across the Queen Street intersection then up the hill after Queen Street. He then headed onto the pavement. He was going pretty fast, and really, a lot of these e-scooters in the CBD would be creating a hazard. And they aren’t really necessary there – especially as the buses can work out cheaper.

                    Walking from my bus stop to home last night, I could see that they will be useful to go that extra few Ks between public transport and home. The pavements are in a good state of repair. There are a lot of hills – up and down in my walk home. There was only me on the footpath, and I am used to keeping left while walking in these days of shared spaces. A guy was coming up the footpath on the other side of the road – no one walking there.

                    A young guy in a suit, with his satchell over his shoulder, whizzed pas, on down the hill and up the other side in a few seconds – and no one else walking there.

                    I could see a place for individually owned e-scooters that are kept inside when not used – or a neighbourhood collective owning a few.

                    There does need to be separate cycle/scooter ways to keep them separate from pedestrians and from bigger vehicles.

  7. Ed1 7

    There seems to be some confusion between bikes, e- scooters and motorised skate boards. I talked to a young person who hired a bike using the app – it cost 75c for more than 5 minutes. Apparently they can be tracked through a phone app – from following some they assessed that some were being “parked” in an apartment. Some had broken foot pedals (presumably from being dropped on the ground). In general the quality of the bike was low, but it was also cheap.

    I haven’t seen a motorised scooter here in Wellington, but there is a motorised skate board which is ridden past the university in the morning – seeing a young man standing while riding in a line of cars is a bit disconcerting – it appears to be controlled by a remote in his hand.

    • infused 7.1

      I use an escooter in Wellington. Keep it in the boot of my car to go to meetings around town.

  8. Ed 8

    Notice the weasel words?

    “If you’re riding on the road, 27 kilometres feels slow. If you’re riding on the footpath, it may be too fast,” Mr Rowe said.

    “At this point the NZTA has given the notion that we are able to operate without helmets… that process may change and we are open to that process and want to be part of that.”

    may…..
    …notion….

    Corporations are about profit.
    They don’t care about externalities.
    Like pedestrian safety.
    Or their customers’ heads.

    Ban the scooters unless they are in bike lanes.

    • Sacha 8.1

      “Ban the scooters unless they are in bike lanes.”

      Better build way more cycleways, pronto.

  9. Sanctuary 9

    Moral panic over the shock of change.

  10. Morrissey 10

    To be fair, it’s fine by me if someone wants to leave a scooter in my driveway. I’ll simply drive over it. My 4WD loves a challenge.

    Thanks for warning us, Mr Alan Gibbs. Or is it Chester Borrows?

  11. Treetop 11

    I walk a lot. An electric scooter is another obstacle which I will now need to look out for. My total hearing is 80% in one ear.

    A lad about 10 yesterday on an electric scooter nearly over shot the intersection and could have been run over.

    I commented on how fast his scooter was not realising at the time what it was. Once over the road he zoomed off.

  12. Kevin 12

    30km/h is excessive for scooters to be travelling at. The should be governed to 15-20km/h maximum.

  13. Brutus Iscariot 13

    They should probably be speed limited, either mechanically or just using a speed limit law.

    Overall a great initiative though to get people out of their cars, and avoid clogging the roads with low value, short distance trips.

    I also consider it a “gateway drug” to breaking the motoring addiction. Almost a stepping stone to cycling in some ways.

  14. infused 14

    muppets. i’ve had one for over two years now. These are not new, and my one can do close to 60km/hr.

    I suspect these will only get more popular. They are huge in the states along with booster boards.

    I have one of these https://www.blacksheeptrading.co.nz/product/2400w-dual-drive-electric-scooter/ plus a smaller etow.

  15. AsleepWhileWalking 15

    Bah, just some teething problems.

    We’re humans. We adapt. All good.

  16. Carolyn_Nth 16

    The Standard just got a mention by Jim Mora for saying “Lime is Sour”

  17. JC 17

    “Ride for free to vote in the midterm elections”

    “Get ready to scoot out the vote.

    Or at least, that’s what Lime is hoping the voting public will do this upcoming Election Day. The bike- and scooter-share company is offering a promo code for users to snag a free bike, e-bike, or e-scooter ride to and from the polls. ”

    https://mashable.com/article/lime-free-scooter-bike-vote/#0Nx45ULKiOqw

  18. JC 18

    “Electric bikes and e-scooters are flummoxing regulators while exciting consumers and venture capitalists” …

    https://www.economist.com/business/2018/06/23/how-two-wheelers-are-weaving-their-way-into-urban-transport

  19. Carolyn_Nth 19

    After bing out and about today in Auckland – some more thoughts.

    I have only seen guys on these lime e-scooters – and usually, if not always young ones. There is mention of women young and old trying them in the media and social media – but they must be the exception.

    This morning in the CBD when the weather was fine there were a few guys on them. I think there may be some battery issues after a Friday night. 2 of the guys were having issues going up the Wellesley Street hill – one guy went up OK. His mate just was gradually getting slower until he gave up and got off and walked. Another guy came soon after and was slowing down – not completely.

    This afternoon when it was bucketing down in the CBD, I didn’t see one person using them. They may be fair weather options when used as rentals.

    e-bikes, bikes and buses are probably better options for carrying stuff, including wet weather gear.

    And e-scooters are not active transport. A user is not getting much exercise, compared with walking to and from a bus stop or train.

    I wonder if many people will use them once the novelty wears off.

    • McFlock 19.1

      My reckons are along the same lines.

      They’re also a bit pricey to hire, compared to a bus or even a cab.

      • Carolyn_Nth 19.1.1

        Yes. They would be more cost efficient, and useful for some individuals to own their own.

        There have been non- electric scooters in use around Auckland for many years, and they don’t seem to be a problem. In my hood, I saw about 3 boys using them to get to school in a pack, with leg power not an e-motor. They didn’t seem to be annoying anyone. Some people take the leg power ones on buses and trains.

    • Infused 19.2

      The low powered ones can only handle small hills. This is why I have the bigger ones. Can fly up a 20 gradient at 30 40 still

      • Carolyn_Nth 19.2.1

        I suspected as much. I think they are machines that would suit some people to own individually. So far, the Auckland ones look to be being used as toys.

        Also, I was interested in the height of the ones for hire in Auckland.I had read that they really only suited tall people, and that someone of my height (between 5ft 2-3″) would not be suited to them.

        So, just been out shopping. How quickly these Lime things have become part of the local landscape. On a side road 2 guys in a van were collecting up the lime machines and putting them in the back of their van.

        2 tallish teenage guys walked past me on the side street. On the main road, they had a lime machine each. The handle bars were at the height of their elbows.

        Then I saw a woman on one for the first time. She was in a side road, was quite tall (handle bars below her elbow level), and she was riding it up and down the road – trying it out.

        On the foot path of the main road, a young girl was wobbling along on one. She was reaching up to the handle bars, and her head was just above the handlebars. I though users were meant to be over 18 and have a driver’s license?

        I walked past a lime machine on it’s side stand. The handle bars were about my shoulder level. And, as they are quite low on the ground, I reckon someone my height would not be very comfortable on one, and would not have very good control over it.

  20. Muttonbird 20

    I battled through a few today around north Viaduct Harbour.

    It looks like fun and the idea is fine I suppose except when people are silly with them. It is mildly annoying when they are parked in a place where it is natural for pedestrians to walk.

    In most places footpaths are wide enough to accommodate both pedestrians and bikes and even motorised scooters but problems do arise when they are used, as they will be, in areas where there is competition for footpath space. I’m talking about popular urban footpaths with eatery tables already making footpaths narrower. These are going to be the areas where lime scooters are most common unfortunately. The other thing is they are quite big.

    I’d prefer to see them on the road because they are motorised. Bikes are not motorised and are more connected to the rider and as such are less of a hazard to pedestrians so I don’t have much of an issue with them being on footpaths.

    Perhaps their numbers could be controlled by limits to density in any given area.

    • Chris T 20.1

      “In most places footpaths are wide enough to accommodate both pedestrians and bikes and even motorised scooters but problems do arise when they are used, as they will be, in areas where there is competition for footpath space. I’m talking about popular urban footpaths with eatery tables already making footpaths narrower.”

      I’m guessing that is why they haven’t dumped them in Wellington yet

      They would be a nightmare down Courtenay Place and Lambton Quay

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    .@KayBurley presses Lib Dem leader @joswinson on whether she would agree to a #Brexit deal 'no matter how bad a deal it is' as long as it had ...
    5 days ago
  • Women’s rights, trans ideology and Gramsci’s morbid symptoms
    by John Edmundson The International Socialist Organisation (ISO) have recently reposted a February article, by Romany Tasker-Poland, explaining ISO’s position in the “trans rights” debate.  It is available on their website and on their Facebook Page.  The article sets out to explain why “socialists support trans rights”.  It reads more ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    5 days ago
  • We need to take guns off police
    Today's IPCA report of police criminality: a police officer unalwfully tasered a fleeing suspect who posed no threat to anyone:The police watchdog has found an officer unlawfully tasered an Auckland man who broke his ankle jumping off a balcony to escape arrest. [...] To avoid arrest, the man jumped over ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • “Bringing kindness back”
    "Auckland City Mission: 10% of Kiwis experiencing food insecurity", RNZ, 16 October 2019:About half a million people are experiencing food insecurity, according to new research from the Auckland City Mission. Food insecurity, or food poverty, is defined as not having enough appropriate food. The City Mission said over the last ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Press Release: “Fake News” from Auckland City Council CCOs Board Chairs re pay and performance b...
    Media Statement for Immediate Release 16th October 2019 “Fake News” from Auckland City Council CCOs Board Chairs re pay and performance bonuses for top managers Despite comments from Auckland City Council CCOs Board Chairs re pay and performance bonuses for top managers—Herald Newspaper Tuesday Oct 15th–there is very little evidence ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    5 days ago
  • Ever-So-Slightly Bonkers: Simon Bridges Plays To His Base.
    Would You Buy A Used Propaganda Video From This Man? Bridges and the National Party’s strategists have discovered that the ideas and attitudes considered acceptable by today’s editors and journalists are no longer enforceable. The rise and rise of the Internet and the social media platforms it spawned means that ...
    5 days ago
  • Asking for food
    There is plenty of evidence of the way the business mentality has permeated every level of society since the recrudescence of market liberalism 35 years ago. You only need to think of how citizens in need of help from their government, their state, their country, are now routinely described as ...
    Opposable ThumbBy Unknown
    5 days ago
  • Forty years of change in the jobs Kiwi do and the places they call home
    John MacCormick Over the last 40 years, New Zealanders – and people in other countries – have experienced big changes in the jobs they do and where they live and work. These changes include: a decline in manufacturing jobs an increase in jobs in ‘information-intensive’ industries (which are better paid ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    5 days ago
  • Protecting Fresh Waterways in Aotearoa/NZ: The Strong Public Health Case
    Nick Wilson, Leah Grout, Mereana Wilson, Anja Mizdrak, Phil Shoemack, Michael Baker Protecting waterways has the benefits of: (1) protecting water from hazardous microbes; (2) minimising cancer risk and other problems from nitrates in water; (3) avoiding algal blooms that are hazardous to health; (4) protecting mahinga kai uses (cultural ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    6 days ago
  • Massey University triggered to rebrand
    by The Council of Disobedient Women In a press release today Massey University announced it has decided to rebrand and reorientate after struggling to be a University for grown-ups. For some time the University has wanted to be a safe play space for wee-woke-misogynists who have been really badly triggered ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • Swinson backing calls for a second referendum (again)
    After a brief dalliance with 'hard Revoke' it looks like the Lib Dems are changing ground on on Brexit, with leader Jo Swinson reverting to calling for a second referendum on Johnson's deal.The party has tabled an amendment to the Queen’s speech requesting that any deal brought back from Brussels ...
    6 days ago
  • An odious bill
    The government has decided that someone has done Something Bad. But despite their belief, there seems to be no evidence that they have actually broken the law. So the government's solution is to pass a retrospective law allowing them to be punished anyway, on a lower standard of proof. If ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • National is now the party of climate arson
    So, Judith Collins has done a Facebook rant about climate change, peddling the same shit National has been shovelling for the past twenty years: the impacts are overstated, there's no need to do anything about it, and its too hard anyway (oh, and its so unfair that people who peddle ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • The environmental footprint of electric versus fossil car
    Climate Explained is a collaboration between The Conversation, Stuff and the New Zealand Science Media Centre to answer your questions about climate change. If you have a question you’d like an expert to answer, please send it to climate.change@stuff.co.nz There is a lot of discussion on the benefits of ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    6 days ago
  • “Manifest” by Andrew Bird – A Song For The Times.
    I came across this song quite by accident. If it isn't one of Greta Thunberg's favourites - it should be.Video courtesy of YouTube.This post is exclusive to Bowalley Road. ...
    6 days ago
  • Passing the buck
    Last month, NZDF's shoddy coverup of what it knew about civilian casualties in Operation Burnham began to fall apart, with the revelation that a report on the matter, which NZDF claimed not to have, had been sitting in an NZDF safe for the past nine years. Yesterday, the man responsible ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • India a major player in Earth observation satellites
    While many imagine that countries like the USA and Europe dominate space activities, in fact India is now a major player on this stage. It launches satellites for its own purposes and also commercially, and has constellations orbiting our planet and returning data of vital importance to that nation in ...
    SciBlogsBy Duncan Steel
    1 week ago
  • The rot at the top (2).
    Thanks to a report from the Acting Inspector General of Intelligence and Security following a complaint by Nicky Hager, we have come to find out that the SIS illegally spied on Mr. Hager on behalf of the NZDF after publication of Hager’s 2011 book, Other People’s Wars. The NZDF justified ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • Common misconceptions about “Global Warming”
    COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING MYTH 1: Global temperatures are rising at a rapid, unprecedented rate. FACT: The HadCRUT3 surface temperature index, produced by the Hadley Centre of the UK Met Office and the Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia, shows warming to 1878, cooling to 1911, ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    1 week ago
  • A climate of tyranny
    For the past week, Extinction Rebellion has been peacefully protesting in London to demand action on climate change. The British government's response? Ban their protests:Police have banned Extinction Rebellion protests from continuing anywhere in London, as they moved in almost without warning to clear protesters who remained at the movement’s ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Collins crushes climate
    An essay by Judith Collins MP reported on Carbon News yesterday seems to show an alarming shift in attitude within the National Party. Collins argues against the Zero Carbon Bill, the Paris Agreement, and downplays the magnitude of climate impacts. The Paris Agreement was adopted in December 2015 and ratified ...
    SciBlogsBy Robert McLachlan
    1 week ago
  • More disappointment
    When they were running for election, Labour promised to overhaul the Employment Relations Act and introduce fair pay agreements to set basic pay and conditions on an industry level, preventing bad employers from undercutting good ones. They followed this up by establishing a working group, which reported back in January ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • What do these mother-child studies really say about fluoridation?
    A list of indicators of bad science – many of these are found in articles promoted by anti-fluoride activists. Anti-fluoride activists have been pouring money into a scaremongering campaign warning pregnant women not to drink fluoridated water. They claim fluoride will lower the IQ of their future child. Fluoride ...
    1 week ago
  • Losing Labour’s Mills-Tone.
    Nothing Left To Say: Labour's pollster, Stephen Mills, remains swaddled-up in the comforting myths of the 1980s. As if the experience of Roger Douglas’s genuinely radical post-Muldoon policy agenda was literally a once-in-a-lifetime thing – as much as the party could possibly absorb for at least the next 50 years.MEMO ...
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Disability and the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Historical Abuse
    The Royal Commission on abuse in care is very significant for the disability community. For many decades last century, thousands of disabled children, and adults who managed to survive, were locked away from families and communities. This was not for anything they had done, but for the perceived threat their ...
    1 week ago
  • Spain is not a democracy
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • UK Conservatives hate democracy
    With an unfair voting system, uneven electorates and an un-elected upper house, the UK's "democracy" is barely worthy of the name. But now the government wants to make it worse:The government has been accused of suppressing voters’ rights with the potential disenfranchisement of tens of thousands of people after plans ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • What is wrong with our building industry?
    Back in the 90's and early 2000's, the building industry was building leaky homes which should never have been granted consent. Now it turns out they've been building dodgy office blocks as well:New imaging technology has revealed hundreds of major buildings nationwide have defective or missing concrete or reinforcing steel. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Local bodies
    Local body election results were released over the weekend, to joy or despair depending on where you live. In Auckland, Phil Goff trounced John Tamihere, who is muttering darkly about running for Parliament again (but which party would want him?) Wellington is now a wholly-owned subsidiary of Weta Workshop, except ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A future of government
      How could government evolve over the next decades? Reports of democracy’s imminent demise are greatly exaggerated.  However, satisfaction with political systems in many countries is low, so there is much to do for governments of all political stripes to improve relevance and trust. Digital technologies are seen as one ...
    SciBlogsBy Robert Hickson
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Catalonia, interrupted
    Two years have now gone by since the Friday afternoon when my university-student son and I headed out of our Barcelona flat to a nearby primary school, designated as a polling station for the vote that was to be held the following Sunday: the referendum on Catalonia’s independence from Spain ...
    1 week ago
  • Sage Decisions Unwisely Over-Ruled.
    Overruled: The joint decision of Finance Minister, Grant Robertson (Labour) and his Associate Minister, David Parker (Labour) arguably the two most powerful ministers in Jacinda Ardern’s government, to grant OceanaGold the consents which Land Information Minister, Eugenie Sage (Greens) had earlier denied them, offers bitter proof of how hard fighting ...
    1 week ago
  • Government may ban voting in effort to get more people to do it
    More than double the number of people who will vote in this year’s local body elections have tried marijuana or urinated somewhere they shouldn’t have. As local elections look set for the lowest turnout in decades, with many regions falling well short of 40%, the Government is exploring a number ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Woman: Deleted.
    A Statement on Abortion Law Reform by the Council of Disobedient Women   On the eve of bringing an end to antiquated, anti-women abortion laws Green MP Jan Logie intends to write women out of the Bill. With a stroke of the pen, the woke are aiming for total erasure ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • The Hollowest of Men Ride Again… SURPRISE!
    Musings continue apace about “the experienced businessman!” soon to be taking up a National Party MP position. Or to be more accurate, being parachuted into a seat to shut down their former MP Jamie-Lee Ross, who despite his own shortcomings shed at least some more light on the inner workings ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    2 weeks ago
  • Barbaric
    The Ugandan government wants to murder gay people:Uganda has announced plans to impose the death penalty on homosexuals. The bill, colloquially known as “Kill the Gays” in Uganda, was nullified five years ago on a technicality, but the government said on Thursday it plans to resurrect it within weeks. The ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Is this study legit? 5 questions to ask when reading news stories of medical research
    Hassan Vally, La Trobe University Who doesn’t want to know if drinking that second or third cup of coffee a day will improve your memory, or if sleeping too much increases your risk of a heart attack? We’re invested in staying healthy and many of us are interested in reading ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago
  • Fighting Monsters.
    Freedom Of Speech? The Säuberung (cleansing by fire) was the work of the German Student Union which, on 10 May 1933, under the watchful eye of the Nazi Reichminister for Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels, consigned 25,000 books to the flames in a ritual exorcism of “un-German thought”. According to the logic of the ...
    2 weeks ago
  • The next wave of kaupapa Māori politics: its constitutional, it must be.
      “There can be no such thing as kaupapa Māori political parties or politics in Aotearoa” (Willie Jackson, Labour Party (2017). Māori TV, General/List Election Special) I begin with that claim because at the time, I was confounded at first that it fell out of Willie Jackson’s mouth, and then ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    2 weeks ago
  • Night lights of NZ from orbit
    New Zealand has prided itself for decades with regard to its lack of pollution, and all will be aware that the ‘100% Pure New Zealand‘ meme is under threat through land, water and air pollution of various causes. There is another type of contamination that the country also faces: light ...
    SciBlogsBy Duncan Steel
    2 weeks ago
  • Reporters deliver uplifting news to fleeing Japanese residents: they won’t miss any rugby
    New Zealand’s media is doing its part in Japan, reassuring those in the path of the storm that they won’t miss any rugby while away from their flooded homes. New Zealand sports reporters stationed in Japan for the Rugby World Cup have had the rare and heartwarming opportunity to inform ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Government in contentious discussions about whether to put surplus on red or black
    Regional Development Minister Shane Jones is the only Cabinet member in favour of putting it all on green. As Finance Minister Grant Robertson finds himself with an enormous $7.5 billion surplus, the Government has begun intense, at times contentious conversations about whether to put the money on red or black at ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Jordanian teachers’ successful strike has lessons for here
    by Susanne Kemp At the start of September close to 100,000 school teachers went on strike in Jordan.  They demanded a 50% pay rise.  A pay rise actually agreed to by the regime back in 2014. In early October, however, in the face of government repression and threats, the teachers’ ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Why some people still think climate change isn’t real
    Climate Explained is a collaboration between The Conversation, Stuff and the New Zealand Science Media Centre to answer your questions about climate change. If you have a question you’d like an expert to answer, please send it to climate.change@stuff.co.nz Why do people still think climate change isn’t real? David ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago
  • The SIS unlawfully spied on Nicky Hager
    Back in 2011, journalist Nicky Hager published Other People's Wars, an expose on NZDF's activities over the previous decade of the "war on terror". NZDF didn't like this, and especially didn't like the fact that it was base don leaks from their own. So, they had the SIS investigate him ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • October 2019 – Newsletter
    https://mailchi.mp/7d9133add053/closing-the-gap-october-2019-newsletter ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    2 weeks ago
  • And they wonder why we think they’re environmental vandals…
    The Zero Carbon Bill is due back from select committee in two weeks, and will likely pass its final stages in November. So naturally, farmers are planning a hate-march against it. But they're not just demanding lower methane targets so they can keep on destroying the planet; they're also demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: Paying the price in California
    Last year, California burned. This year, to stop it happening again (or rather, to stop themselves from being found liable if it happens again), Pacific Gas and Electric is cutting power to half the state for a week:Schools are closed. Traffic lights down. Tunnels dark. Businesses unopened. Hospitals running on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Let’s Hear It For Up-Close-And-Personal, Hard-Copy Democracy!
    The Best Way: Missing from the on-line voting debate is any reference to the voting system that produces turn-out figures ranging from 77 to 93 percent of registered voters. The voting system used to collect and count the votes cast in our parliamentary elections. The system that involves citizens making ...
    2 weeks ago
  • 10/10: World Day Against the Death Penalty
    Today, October 10, is the world day against the death penalty. Out of 195 UN member states, 84 still permit capital punishment. Today is the day we work to change that. This year's theme is children. Having a parent sentenced to death or executed causes long-term trauma and stigmatization which ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Talking Freer Lives: a Marxist gender-critical perspective from Australia
    Among the great new bunch of political friends we have been making recently is the excellent Australian-based Marxist gender-critical site, Freer Lives.  So we asked the comrade who set up that blog to write something for Redline on the blog, himself, his analysis of the rise of gender politics and ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Government spin accepted by union leadership
    by Don Franks  The Auckland City Mission is struggling with a 40 percent increase in demand for food parcels this year. A total of 23,020 were needed by June. Last month Missioner Chris Farrelly told the Herald the “cupboards are bare” and without an emergency food drive, he can’t see ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago

  • Corrections Amendment Bill passes third reading
    A Bill to improve prison security and ensure the fair, safe, and humane treatment of people in prison while upholding public safety has passed its third reading. Corrections Minister Kelvin Davis says the Corrections Amendment Bill makes a number of changes to ensure the Corrections Act 2004 is fit for ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 hours ago
  • Ngāi Tahu CEO appointed to NZ-China Council
    Minister for Māori Development, Nanaia Mahuta, has selected Arihia Bennett MNZM, Chief Executive Officer of Te Rūnanga o Ngāi Tahu, as the Te Puni Kōkiri appointed representative on the New Zealand-China Council. The New Zealand-China Council (the Council) was established in 2012 as a New Zealand led and funded organisation ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 hours ago
  • Southern Response claims move to EQC
    Responsibility for processing the small number of Southern Response claims still to be settled will be transferred to EQC by the end of the year. “As claim numbers reduce, it no longer makes sense for the Crown to have two organisations processing the remaining Canterbury claims,” Grant Robertson says. “Since ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    8 hours ago
  • Bowel screening starts in Whanganui
    Health Minister David Clark is encouraging Whanganui residents to take up the opportunity for free bowel screening, which can detect cancer early when it’s easier to treat.   Over the next two years 12,000 Whanganui locals, aged 60 to 74 will be invited to participate in the National Bowel Screening ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    9 hours ago
  • Pacific Peoples Minister to attend Our Ocean Conference in Norway
    Minister for Pacific Peoples Aupito William Sio, heads to Oslo today to represent New Zealand at the sixth Our Ocean Conference, which is being hosted by the Norwegian Government from the 23-24 October. “The Our Ocean Conference mobilises real action on issues like marine plastic pollution and the impacts of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Government announces 27 percent increase in Trades Academy places
    Two secondary-school initiatives are being expanded as part of the Government’s plan to see more young New Zealanders take up a trade to help close the skills gap.   This includes the largest single increase in Trades Academy places in recent years. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Education Minister Chris ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Speech to the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs, Pacific Futures Conference: Connection...
    Session 4: Pacific Connectivity – Youth, Media and New Opportunities   Kia ora tatou katoa and Warm Pacific greetings to one and all. Representatives of Tainui, the local people of the land, or manawhenua – the indigenous peoples of this area – have welcomed you this morning in accordance with ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Methane reducing cattle feed one step closer
    The Government today announced its support for a project that could substantially reduce agricultural greenhouse gas emissions from cattle. The announcement was made as part of Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s and Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor’s visit to Nelson’s Cawthron Aquaculture Park. The Cawthron Institute will receive $100,000 from the Government’s ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Bill to refresh superannuation system passes first reading
    Social Development Minister Carmel Sepuloni has welcomed the first reading of the New Zealand Superannuation and Veteran’s Pension Legislation Amendment Bill. “Every New Zealander has a stake in New Zealand Superannuation and Veteran’s Pension,” says Carmel Sepuloni. “They are our most common form of social assistance – nearly 800,000 New ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Government announces next steps in fight against measles
    Babies in Auckland aged six months and over can receive a free vaccination and children will all have access to vaccines, Associate Minister of Health Julie Anne Genter announced today at Papatoetoe High School.   The move comes as part of Government efforts to step up the fight against measles. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Speech to the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs, Pacific Futures: Connections, Identity...
    ***Check against delivery*** Good morning. It is a pleasure to be here, and to have the honour of opening this important conference on behalf of the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs. Let us take the opportunity to acknowledge all the people who have helped make today possible, including our special ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Police trial new response to high risk events
    Police Minister Stuart Nash says the safety of frontline officers and members of the public will be the focus of a new trial of specialist Police response teams in three of our largest urban centres. Police have this morning released details of an initiative to be trialled in Counties Manukau, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • New awards celebrate fisheries sustainability
    The Minister of Fisheries is calling for entries for a new public award to celebrate innovation in our seafood sector. “I have established the Seafood Sustainability Awards to recognise and celebrate those throughout industry, tangata whenua and communities who demonstrate outstanding dedication and innovation towards the sustainability of New Zealand’s ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • More progress for women and we can do more
    Minister for Women Julie Anne Genter welcomes leaders in the private sector taking action on closing their gender pay gaps to ensure a fairer workplace for all New Zealanders. Ms Genter today launched a new report, Addressing the gender pay gap and driving women’s representation in senior leadership, from the Champions for ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Proposals to curb environmental damage help our coasts and the oceans
    Government Ministers today welcomed the release of a marine environment report highlighting the four key issues affecting our oceans, estuaries and coastlines.  The release underlines the importance of government proposals to combat climate pollution, ensure clean freshwater, protect biodiversity, make land use more sustainable, and reduce waste and plastic.    Environment ...
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    5 days ago
  • New mental health facility for Waikato
    The Government has approved funding for a new acute mental health facility for Waikato which will provide better care and support to people with mental health and addiction issues. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Health Minister Dr David Clark announced the $100 million project to replace the aging Henry Rongomau ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • 500 new te reo Māori champions in our classrooms
    The Government is making progress on its goal to integrate te reo Māori into education by 2025, with over 500 teachers and support staff already graduating from Te Ahu o te Reo Māori,  Associate Education Minister Kelvin Davis announced today. Kelvin Davis made the announcement at an awards ceremony in Waikanae today, for ...
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    5 days ago
  • Minister James Shaw welcomes 2018 Census first release
    Statistics Minister James Shaw has welcomed the first release of 2018 Census data. The first release of data today, 23 September, includes key data on population, regional growth, the number of homes and the size of different ethnic groups in New Zealand. Data from the 2018 Census will support the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Driving transparency, ethics and accountability in government use of algorithms
    Minister for Statistics James Shaw today announced a public consultation on a proposed algorithm charter for government agencies. The charter has been developed by the Government Chief Data Steward in response to growing calls for more transparency in government use of data. Computer algorithms – procedures or formulas for solving ...
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    5 days ago
  • New Zealand and the Netherlands working together on climate change
    Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor, Climate Change Minister James Shaw and visiting Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte co-hosted a business roundtable in Auckland this morning focused on working together to address climate change.  “The Netherlands is an important partner for New Zealand. We share a strong agricultural history. Sustainable agribusiness and ...
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    5 days ago
  • Protecting fairness for workers and businesses
    The Government is taking action to build an inclusive economy where more of us receive our fair share at work and businesses can compete on great products and services, not undercutting wages and conditions, Immigration and Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Iain Lees-Galloway says. Two consultations launched today seek feedback ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Indigenous Freshwater Fish Bill Passes
    The future for New Zealand’s threatened indigenous freshwater fish looks brighter with the passing of the Conservation (Indigenous Freshwater Fish) Amendment Bill in Parliament today said Minister of Conservation, Eugenie Sage. “Until now, our freshwater fish legislation has been 20 years out of date. We have lacked effective tools to ...
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    6 days ago
  • Kiwis to take part in world’s biggest earthquake drill
    At 1.30pm tomorrow, hundreds of thousands of Kiwis will join about 65 million people around the globe in ShakeOut, the world’s biggest earthquake drill. The annual drill is to remind people of the right action to take during an earthquake which is to Drop, Cover, Hold, and to practise their ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Rising wages and low inflation supporting Kiwis
    Kiwis are benefiting from higher wage growth and low inflation under the Coalition Government. Stats NZ data out today shows the rise in the cost of living remains low, as annual Consumers Price Index (CPI) inflation fell to 1.5% in September from 1.7% in June. “The low inflation comes as ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • NZ economy strong amid global headwinds
    New Zealand’s economic strength and resilience has been recognised in a major update on the state of the global economy. The IMF’s latest World Economic Outlook released overnight shows a reduced global growth forecast over the next two years as issues like the US-China trade war and Brexit take hold. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Keeping New Zealanders safer with better counter-terrorism laws
    Justice Minister Andrew Little has today introduced a new Bill to prevent terrorism and support the de-radicalisation of New Zealanders returning from overseas. The Terrorism Suppression (Control Orders) Bill gives the New Zealand Police the ability to apply to the High Court to impose control orders on New Zealanders who ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Improved succession and dispute resolution core of Ture Whenua changes
    A Bill that proposes targeted changes to simplify the processes for Māori land owners when engaging with the Māori Land Court has had its First Reading today. “The approach taken by the Government is to ensure that the protection of Māori land remains a priority as we seek to improve ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Speech to CTU Biennial Conference
    Let me first thank all the new unionists and members in the room. There is nothing more important to improving people’s working lives than people making the decision to care, to get on board and help, to take up the reins and get involved. Congratulations to you. You bring the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Minister ensures continued Whenuapai flight operations
    Minister of Defence Ron Mark has signed a certificate exempting the activity of engine testing at Whenuapai Airbase from the Resource Management Act 1991. The Act gives the Minister of Defence the power to exempt activities for the purposes of national security.  The certificate will mean the recent Environment Court ...
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    6 days ago
  • NZ joins Coalition of Finance Ministers for Climate Action
    Finance Minister Grant Robertson has announced New Zealand will join the Coalition of Finance Ministers for Climate Action while attending APEC meetings in Chile. The objective of the 39 member Coalition is to share information and promote action to tackle climate change. It was formed in April this year, in ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Feedback Sought – Section 71 – Lyttelton Parking
    Feedback sought– Lyttelton commercial zone parking  The Associate Minister for Greater Christchurch Regeneration, Poto Williams, is seeking feedback on a proposal to remove on-site car parking requirements for new developments in the Lyttelton commercial zone.  The proposal, by Christchurch City Council, asks that powers under section 71 of the Greater ...
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