“Monitoring”

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1. BLiP 1

   1 April 2009 at 3:23 pm

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2. Pat 2

   1 April 2009 at 3:53 pm

   Why is someone posting as “The Standard”?

   When “The Standard” posts on The Standard, it gives the impression that this person is the original or pre-dominant authority on the site. Perhaps they should choose another name to post under.
   • lprent 2.1

     2 April 2009 at 12:44 am

     “The Standard” (also known as notices and features) is there to post content that is not written here. Like Drinking Liberally notices or content from other blogs or articles that could do with a wider audience.

     Generally it only has brief or no contributions from writers here, and isn’t original content.
3. Daveski 3

   1 April 2009 at 4:01 pm

   Pat – I almost posted the same comment. My understanding is that The Standard was to be used for public service announcements, not spin. LP might have to update the About page now 🙂

   This is trying to be constructive and not whinging. I think this is a genuine oversight and it would be much better to keep “The Standard” for generic posts otherwise it supports the view that the Standard has a standard view on issues.
   • lprent 3.1

     2 April 2009 at 12:45 am

     Good point. I’ll add it to the About after I finish moving the site.
4. Draco T Bastard 4

   1 April 2009 at 4:51 pm

   National is all about spin. The only people who are surprised that things aren’t the way National said they would be are the people who believed them.
   • Daveski 4.1

     1 April 2009 at 5:08 pm

     DTB – I would hope that LP would see this isn’t about politics, Labour, or National but about The Standard. I think it is a genuine oversight but I will leave it at that.
5. Steve Withers 5

   1 April 2009 at 7:46 pm

   C’mon people! This is business-toady National we’re talking about. “Accountability” is what they do to political opponents and people they don’t give a rat’s about, not their mates! That’s why there is no effective accountability or redress in this 90-day sacking law.
6. jimbo 6

   1 April 2009 at 9:24 pm

   What, you mean they’ve passed a law that needs the people who are wronged to report the problem?

   Craziness.
   • Felix 6.1

     2 April 2009 at 7:58 am

     Apparently you missed the part where Wilkinson lied about this and said the govt would be monitoring employers.

     It’s in the first sentence of I/S’s story (it is the story, really). I think you’re really brave for having a go at reading anyway though – keep at it.
     • jimbo 6.1.1

       2 April 2009 at 2:54 pm

       God you can be smarmy sometimes, Felix. How about your ridiculous “lies” (and those of I/S in the story) repeatedly calling it a “fire at will” bill?

       It’s a BRAND NEW law. Most people would realize that “monitoring” would involve analyzing the complaints coming in and seeing if they are acceptable or not in context. You can’t do that until you’ve had the law in place for a while and seen what level of complaints come in. It’s not rocket science. It’s too soon to start shrilling yelling “Lies Lies!”

       But go ahead and have a cheap crack about whether or not I can read. What a Tool.
       • lprent 6.1.1.1

         2 April 2009 at 3:06 pm

         The problem, which if you’d read the post you’d have seen, is that Kate Wilkinson said that “fire at will” act would be monitored for abuse by employers.

         What I/S pointed out was that there was no mechanism to actually monitor people being fired using the provisions of the act. The only way to monitor would be to look at complaints from people who probably don’t know how to complain. Hell I have no idea who I’d complain to myself if I hadn’t read I/S’es post.

         The obvious solution would have been requiring employers to report sacking people using the act’s provisions (and penalties for not reporting it). Then the department could have looked for employers abusing the procedure by repeatably firing people. However that would have had to have been embedded into the legislation. It probably would have been put in place if the bill had been put through the select committee.

         Without that, you can virtually guarantee that some obnoxious employers will abuse it – there is really nothing to stop them. Hell there aren’t any penalties as far as I can see even if they’re caught.

         It is a Fire At Will because there are no protections or monitoring. Kate Wilkinson must have been aware of that when she made her threat on “monitoring”. So this is pure bullshit spin – she was lying to the public.

         I’d agree with Felix – you didn’t read the post.
7. jimbo 7

   2 April 2009 at 3:18 pm

   I read the post, but perhaps you and Felix are in a better position than I am to know that as well…

   The problem with your approach is that it creates an entire layer of compliance and red tape right off the bat that may not be needed. All that regulatory oversight costs money which could be spent on schools, hospitals and other more important things.

   Again, if an employee feels aggrieved they can complain. If there are no complaints coming in, then why impose the additional layer of governmental monitoring just because you have an anti-employer bias and believe it will automatically be abused. Do employers have to notify some outside authority every time they hire, warn or fire an employee now? Does the PG process “work” anyway?

   Why not get male employers to self-notify each time they are left in the office with the pretty receptionist. Then we can cross-reference against the number of pretty receptionists who quit their jobs or have out-of-wedlock babies and from that data we’ll know whether how the law against sexually harassing your staff is working out.

   Alternatively, we can see what level of complaints come in over time and decide whether or not some additional oversight is needed.
   • lprent 7.1

     2 April 2009 at 5:19 pm

     How about this then. The employers using the provisions of the act at the contract phase are required to give information on the provisions of the bill to, and get a signed receipt from the employee. This should be provided by the department, and including how to complain. If the employer is shown not to provide this information, it is a criminal offense under the act, carrying a mandatory prison sentence if proved.

     This is just getting the employers to hold stocks of the information, and to store the receipt. Very minimal.

     It also means that the employee has an ability to help with the ‘monitoring of abuses’.

     What good employer would object to this?

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